The soon to be announced RX100 MKII has Hot Shoe, Wifi and swivel screen. I still have no info about the sensor but I guess it could use the same (or a slightly updated) version of the current 1 inch 20 megapixel sensor. The image you see here is a fake rendering but it gives you an idea of how the Hot Shoe could be placed 🙂
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That sounds great. Admin, is it a swivel or tilt LCD?
Hope that they have kept the fast lens.
Anyone heard about the long time expected RX-10?
The lens is only fast on the wide end. It starts stopping down immediately upon zooming. I’d rather see them give up some zoom and put a fast lens on it. 20mp files have plenty of crop ability if they are exposed correctly.
Some say the current range is already too short.
I would tell those people to buy a super zoom with a small sensor.
Of course everyone wants big sensor, long AND fast zoom and wants it to fit in their pocket. Unfortunately their exists something called physics, and doesn’t allow for everything.
If longer zoom is a priority, along with compactness: buy a super zoom.
Of course sony could make the zoom longer on the rx, it would get slower and only be useable in bright daylight. I’d rather have a slightly shorter lens that is useable in more varied conditions as this is a camera I view as an “everywhere” “do it all” device. If you need something closer, walk, then crop if you have to. It’s got 20mp and can make decent crops.
Is that supposed to be a APS-C size sensor? Sounds interesting. I can’t afford the RX1 for sure, a compromise may be good. I can’t really get any good unobtrusive lenses with the nex-5n, unless anyone have good ideas? (The 16mm pancake is perfect size, but the optics are blaaargh and it is not fast enough either)
Ok, googling I found the answer to my own question. Yes, I really like APS-C, and if Sony doesn’t get moving, I may need to pull the trigger on the Fuji x100s.
That would make the RX100 larger and heavier. I prefer the small and light version.
Larger and heavier than tiny and almost weightless,
is still small and light 😉
+1. I don’t want it any heavier.
It’s sad that modern man is growing so weak that even a light camera strains them. Maybe some folks should get more exercise, or soon they won’t be able to lift any camera, or the fork to eat and get fatter.
That is not the problem. I carry an A850 with CZ 24-70 with me. But when I want a small and light package, I take the RX100 and I want it to stay as small as it is now.
Maybe Sony can release two versions. One in the same housing as it is now and a second one with hotshoe and swivel screen?
Maybe it’s also targeted to modern women?
We can’t all wear photo vests 24 hours a day and hide extra batteries in our beard. There’s a difference between walking around in the woods on a photo trip and being in an everyday, urban environment.
wow you seriously need to find some manners and open your eyes to the world around you. If you had not noticed people come in all shapes and sizes and also have different photograph needs and tastes. One should not be so blinkered to the colour world around one.
Si
I hope there will the Multi Interface Hotshoe and a very small flash for that. I need one for my NEX6
HVL-F20AM/M???
Much to big… http://goo.gl/8GTbu
Much smaller and it will be useless. I have the HVL-F20AM and HVL-F20S and the NEX flash isn´t smaller but both flashes are much smaller than my HVL-F58AM.
So it was written, the hotshoe support for the EVF is here. I am liking I’ll be able to use the RX1 EVF on this. I couldn’t care less about the wifi, though. Swivel or tilt screen is nice addition too but I suspect it will make the camera thicker, of which I am not a fan of.
Hendrick I agree 100%! I want the best camera that fits in a nornal shirt pocket. Make the camera better and larger then I don’t want to replace my RX. Keep the same size and better I will consider how much the upgrades add up too.
Make it better AND smaller or lighter then I’ll be reaching for my wallet.
My RX replaced my Canon S90 and it kills it… That was a no brainer. Some of you must live where you were jackets all the tie since what you consider a pocketable camera is strange to me. I live in Ca where it is warm and travel to tropical locations where I don’t even pack long pants–this is why I like my camera small. Once a camera exceeds pocket size I may all well grab my DSLR.
Swivel plus touch screen will be nice…..
It’s interesting to see that they are adding such features. I guess that it is of things to come and what was referred to as high added value in the strategy presentation.
I’m waiting for the new camera so the price of the old one falls;) Hot shoe flash not to fusy about.
Or wifi it probably won’t work with Linux.
Great, two main reasons why I didn’t already buy RX100 – hot shoe and wifi! I hope it will be capable to share photos directly from camera or send them directly to cloud when connected to wifi. I want to use it on my travels, now I use A77+16-50/2,8 but it’s huge and heavy and draws attention when taking street photography, compared to RX100..
ADMIN
We have invested a lot of money in SONY Photo and Video products.
Eliminating our Comments by controlled MODERATION Prohibiting our participation
Only allowing SONY Fans and Lovers
Hurts the SONY platform that you promote
We do need and require TTL Flash and Light that work.
Especially from the SONY Flagship Flash Product.
This year we are spending more that ever on Camera Video – frames and accessories.
I am sure you advertisers would be interested in our budgets.
But the Products like the HVL-F60 Flash have to work consistently, functionally and not be decorative trinket option.
If you want really help SONY escalate our Postings of Support Requests to
SONY, and NOT inhibit our postings on your SAR users blog.
SONY support is Third Party call center get paid by the minute we hold and clearly NOT escalating any Requests for HELP to Sony Engineering. Since Third Party call center organizations would get less work for actually working products.
I doubt Admin is moderating anything here, it is the comment system that is faulty.
Messages continually say – YOUR COMMENT IS AWAITNG MODERATION
We tried to submit comments from Three separate Browsers –
and have continually Cleared Cookies to ensure clean posts.
Either we solve this SONY issues or we spend our Budgets on platforms that we can rely on, consistently work, and bring value to
each shutter closure (In this Case each Flash as well).
Here is our original post Maybe it will work for you.
SAR MEMBERS – Can you recommend escalation that is effective.
SONY support is a Joke Third Party organization and ignores our requests for Flash help.
HVL-60F Flash Overheating MUST BE REPAIRD NOW
SONY SUPPORT YOUR USERS
NEW HOT SHOE ARE YOU KIDDING?? FOR WHAT??
The Flash Lighting you put in a Hot have has to actually work.
SAR MEMBERS – Can you recommend escalation that is effective.
SONY support is a Joke Third Party organization and ignores our requests for Flash help.
HVL-60F Flash – This Is NOT a Flagship Flash product.
We Absolutely Need a Firmware Update for the overheating.
After so very few shots It overheats Locks up –
Rendering the F60 Flash useless with Any Camera Attached to DEAD.
We miss so many shot waiting for it to Cool Down that we
CAN NOT RELY ON ANY CAMERA ATTACHED TO IT.
We get 11x times the flashes from Nikon SB910 flash
before lockup that is is a huge Delta
What an incredible Piss Poor Design and Engineering –
No Heat Sink to dissipate Heat – No Cool Blub – It is useless
The 60Flash is the current SONY flagship TTL Flash (what a joke)
and only flash TTL that fits on the for the
A99, RX1, nex6, A58 – and others TBA TBD to be Announced?
SONY’S piss poor flagship HVL-F60 Flash failures Complaints and
Sony’s total NON-response. Check out these two separate DPReview Threads on of other users experiences with this Flash and Sony
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3497509#forum-post-51579857
OR
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3497509#forum-post-51579871
SONY it sticking it to the SONY camera users again –
a SONY Flash hvl-f60 flagship is a part of SONY solutions chain
critically important TTL Flash, but it stinks and Sony will not fix it.
Sony could have engineered a Heatsink for it
Sony could have used Cooler Quartz Blubs
The Sony Engineering team reasonable for it should be fired.
We were once Seduced by SONY Pretty Bell or Whistle Feature Functions
Why did we ever invest in SONY glass. ?
Today we have work to do that can not be done without a highly reliable TTL Flash
SONY SUPPORT YOUR USERS NOW the HVL-60F Flash Overheating
MUST BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY
I sure hope that gets moderated.
E you are aways such a positive and calm poster NOT. The reason you post was waiting moderation could be done to the language you were using, possibly? Surely one can get the same message across without swearing?
Si
“Either we solve this SONY issues or we spend our Budgets on platforms that we can rely on, consistently work, and bring value to
each shutter closure (In this Case each Flash as well).”
Seems like the C or the N can help you better. No need to write a thesis on something is not meant to be discussed here with such fervor. I don’t know why you invested in Sony if they did not offer what you need to begin with? If you are waiting for them to solve something, it is not their fault they did not offer it at the start, it is yours for buying into it with hopes to get something that did not exist.
You’re posting the same thing on every thread here. Sony products aren’t perfect (no product is), but your continous repetition is bordering on the banal.
When you write something here, it doesn’t necessarily mean you are writing to Sony. Also, Andrea is not your minion messenger to escalate your complain with a corporation that almost shut his site down.
If you have a complain, you can write it here, but it doesn’t necessarily mean you will get what you want or need. It may be heard, or it may fall on deaf ears. Every company ha a strategy and by the looks of it, Sony is not delivering your particular needs. You may have invested a lot in a company, but it doesn’t mean they owe you something.
I owned 2 5D2’s, a 35L, 24L, 50L and 24-70. I bought all of them new and I don’t feel like Canon ever owed me something because the AF of the 5D was cr@p like the old 5D had. I did not buy Canon flashes, I had Metz flashes because they accommodated my needs better. I sold all my L lenses for Zeiss lenses because they accommodated my wants better.
Have to complain? write to Sony. They appear to hear because after having serviced my NEX and Zeiss lens last year, they made a follow up call to see if I was happy with the service and comms they gave me.
This is not the place to accuse Admin of censoring. On the contrary, many complains from a few people made it to the final product…like the damned regular ISO hotshoe. I hate them for making Sony change the better, more secure, minolta hotshoe.
“I hate them for making Sony change the better, more secure, minolta hotshoe.”
Thankfully, some people here are actually thinking.
This is not an official Sony site, and there is no guarantee your post will make it to Sony from SAR website.. One more thing, seems like you’re new here because I have seen many threads here receiving negative comments, so many, I feel there is no moderation at all becaause there are some people that instead of talking about the equipment, they take it against Sony equipment users.. If you got a complain, take it to Sony official forum. There are admins that have direct communication with Engineering.
And who is we?
Hendrick and a few side kicks should vanish from this site. Sony should pay for that task!
My RX-100 is right on the edge of being too large and heavy to be a pocket camera. While I consider a tilt or swivel screen to be essential on larger cameras I have to wonder if it would push the RX-100 Mk2 out of the pocket camera category.
A hot shoe should not add too much weight but if it means a small clip on flash instead of the built in one it would be a step backwards. When I decide to carry just a pocket camera I do not want to carry accessories. The hot shoe should also have a locking cover so the bare hot shoe will not catch on clothing inside a pocket.
Exactly my thought.
Seems like what you really need is better clothes with pockets suitable for carrying a camera.
Seems like you needed someone to teach you to not act like an ass when you’re talking to other humans. Apparently it’s too late for that. The guy made a perfectly valid point, wondering if a hot shoe would snag on pockets (on a camera marketed as pocketable) is reasonable.
What do you do? Attack his choice of clothes? Seriously? Are you in grade school?
Really like my RX100. Swivel Screen would add value. The sensor is really great. The lens is ( my unscientific perception) not on the same level. A compromise favouring size and weight I guess.
I will wait for a RX10 – interesting to see what that camera will be.
Right now, RX100 gets used over my a77+Zeiss glass much of the time due to size.
I’ll take one if it’s no bigger than the existing model. Wifi seems like it should add no size, but be a big value-add if Sony doesn’t mess it up (I expect they will). Open firmware would be a big win. Hot shoe would be nice, if they can keep size the same. Tilt screens, while I love, I doubt would be worth it in camera growth.
SAR POSTING COMMENT Messages continually – YOUR COMMENT IS AWAITNG MODERATION
We tried to submit comments from Three separate Browsers –
and have continually Cleared Cookies to ensure clean posts.
All Three Browsers state – YOUR COMMENT IS AWAITNG MODERATION
Either we solve this SONY issues or we spend our Budgets on platforms that we can rely
on, consistently work, and bring value to
each shutter closure (In this Case each Flash as well).
We are Just trying to protect our significant SONY investment.
The HVL-F60 Flashes are Overheating Locking up and making the SONY camera useless.
It seems that the SONY paid employees are posting on this site – THEY THINK
They are protecting the jobs by
1) Refusing to Allow our SAR Posts or Villifying our posts
2) defending defective HVL-F60 Flashes, Sony’s Flagship, which are so poorly engineered that they should have never been released in GA
In actuality, the SONY paid employees are posting on this SAR site are
are driving more and more people to other camera platforms that work consistently.
Doing more to help the competition instead of trying to make the SONY product better.
or FIX IT or Help the Committed Users base.
We will just move all NEW purchases to the NIKON or CANON Platforms
We need great support that is High value, like Nikons Five year glass warranty.
In our side by side test – We know the Nikon flashes gives us 11x (huge)
more flashes than Sony before overheating.
WHY ARE MODERATING
SAR POSTING COMMENT Messages continually – YOUR COMMENT IS AWAITNG MODERATION
SONY support your users
I think your caps lock key is broken.
This post should be framed. The Bilderberg-Illuminati Sony Employee Conspiracy Theory has come to light!
Of course Sony pays people to constantly post here. How else would people feel secure in their Sony purchase? How else could people be enticed to buy Sony? How else, for dear life, could anyone ever think of Sony cameras at all? It’s because SAR is a marketing tool full of subliminal verses.
Andrea…show your true self? Who are you?!?!
I found a photo of Andrea 😉 http://tinyurl.com/qxq3qd2
His smile soothes the mood in this forum.
Please sell your Sony stuff to me! 🙂
e, Please stop posting the same crap over and over again! Nobody reads it and now you are just trolling!
I read it and agree with it. It’s a joke the new RX has a hot shoe when there is no smart 3rd party support or any native flash that operates properly. F60 is a flawed product. It’s broken with overheating issues. The F20M is a sad substitute for F20AM. They just glued an adapter on it, thereby losing the compactness. A very poor joke to play on the ignorant.
The provided Sony adapters are unreliable and compromise security. The flash delay is inexcusable. The MIS foot is the worst fragile ISO design in history, with four plastic feet rather than rails. CaNikon’s are full metal.
Sony wants proprietary. They screwed their strobist community hard.
SAR IS one of many places to voice our outrage. Get used to it until Sony hears, and fixes it. Some of us have 25 years of Alpha investment that worked perfectly fine and brought much innovation to the entire industry. Sony killed it all dead.
And those 25 years of investment was worth the change of the minolta hotshoe with the more standard one for what benefit?
Not sure I understand your question. I certainly see no benefit to end users with the new Sony MIS shoe. We lost all third party support for flash and smart radio slave. Those companies lost their R&D investment and have absolutely no incentive to pursue Sony again. The new MIS shoe is not standard by any means. It’s more proprietary than ever before.
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Thanks for the Reply
– You mentioned
“SAR IS one of many places to voice our outrage”
May I ask, WHAT SITES OR PLACES MAY BE EFFECTIVE.
There must be better SONY products sites for our Users community.
The Vast majority of SAR people appear to be from
Sony Marketing and Sony Engineering –
Claiming the SONY products Wonderful and
Trying Eliminate Moderate or Villify
All Posters who raise documented valid concerns
about Sony products and platform they have invested in.
Unfortunately, SAR is censoring moderating the comments –
Despite all SONYF60 flash problems and
issues the rest of the world has with the raised.
F60 flash has very little SAR interest. Amazing.
Despite all the F60 flash highly documented International problems
Very Few on this SAR site use F60 flash or have any issues with it.
I like the swivel screen. It is really awesome for composition and even though it might add approx. 5mm of thickness, it would also provide protection for the screen while being in your pocket. Hope it is touch enabled and allows Touchpad-AF like on the Panas. 😀
I don’t know, wifi is welcome, but swivel screen…hot shoe? This is P&S, right? I don’t think it’s a good combination. But let’s wait and see how they blend it. Or..maybe it’s the RX-10 that they’re talking about? That actually makes more sense.
I never understood the point of adding a hotshoe to a P&S. Carrying around a flash defeats the whole purpose of the camera.
Doesn’t hurt to have it. It would be good if the RX100-2 would have a 3,5mm mic in, the I could attach a real mic with dead cat.
With 20 great megapixels and a feather-like weight in cameras as a whole, the ability to use an existing EVF or OVF with a camera like this, to keep ISO low and maximise the steadyshot feature at slow shutter speeds, is great.
Do not twist the meaning of this and think people would buy the RX100v2 and buy and EVF to go with it, or a flash unit. It is more relevant for the owner of EVF’s or OVF’s like me who can find it useful to be able to use that useful kit on another camera.
The most recent consumer cybershot has a hotshoe and I applaud that effort.
The shoe will of course be the ‘multi-interface’ type, meaning Sony’s new external mic will fit. Which is excellent news for the video enthusiast. If this thing also has a bit more zoom (5x?) it will be a most impressive unit.
+1 for the mic capability too!
No GPS???
24p 25p Video ah High Bitrate!!!!!
Enough of all this.
When will we get an update to the Sony NEX-7 ?
This year or next ?
That’s what I want rumors on.
coming soon!
Sony has an agreement with Hasselblad to not release NEX-7N until at least one Lunar is sold.
Might be waiting for a while.
Andrea- please note a possible spelling mistake in the headline: the “v” in swivel is like a “V” in “v”ery good – not like a kind of german “v” (fau)
Hmmm i got the nex 6 because it had a hot shoe, hybrid autofocus and wifi.
But it doesnt fit in my pocket and i realised the difference in IQ between it and the rx100 and isnt as much as id imagined it to be. Besides I have my full frame to cover quality when i need it most.
If this replacement comes with all the above at the same size (dont care too much about zoom to me its a quality fast lens thats more important), ill be selling my nex 6.
And yes we do need a smallish TTL sony flash WITH autofocus assist (unlike the HVL-20M)
SAR Readers – We need some help here – with the Flash HVL-F60 Unit
Any of our posts go in Perma Hang with Messages continually saying –
YOUR COMMENT IS AWAITNG MODERATION
We never know if or when our SAR questions will ever get posted.
Anything we post is Moderated and Sensored
Then suddenly DUE TO ALL the Moderation Holds –
they All get posted at Once in various locations of this SAR blog.
So SAR Reader – We need some help here – with the Flash HVL-F60 Unit
Can you provide any work arounds or other Flash products that you have made work?? Even if it is NOT TTL
We can NOT find other flash lighting solutions for the New Proprietary Shoe.
Since SONY refuses to work with Accesory vendors to open up
their Proprietary Hot Shoe platform –
SONY themselves on offers just once flash for it and
per the links about – It’s clearly defective
We are NOT casual camera users who can wait 10 Minutes between shots for a flash to cool down.
YOUR HELP IS APPRECIATED –
Please post the Flash solutions you have found here.
or
Second – Can you provide any direct contacts with
SONY PHOTOS to help get us a Firmware Fix to this hvl-f60 flash overheat issue.
Thank You.
The SONY support phone lines are a JOKE – No Training at All.
Dude. You have got to chill.
No “e” need to get a life and stop trolling and posting the same old meaningless crap.
Si
This is exactly what I was hoping for! I love my RX-100, but I wish it had a hot shoe and swivel or tilt screen. Those that think having a hotshoe on a small camera is unnecessary are free to just not use it. I like carrying a small camera in one pocket and a small flash in the other. Shooting a dim room at ISO 1600 vs with a bounce flash at ISO 125 changes a lot! I may even preorder this camera!
Agreed.
This may not be the right RX for everyone, but it is for me. I don’t mind it being a little bigger — all that camera in a size that will still be way smaller than a M43 or NEX with equivalent zoom range, and fits easily in a jacket pocket? Fantastic!
Also, I would not be surprised if RX100 is still produced after this camera is released. This may just be a variation for those who want more features.
I guess it will be the same sensor but with PDAF but the real question for me is the aperture, mainly in the tele end, the weakspot for the RX100.
Any word on whether it will have a microphone input?
It’s really nice and should be ready around august. It will a 4/3 sensor with no Aa filter. Price point will be around 799.99. It’s actually the same size just a tad taller.. the lens will be similar
I would hate this camera to become larger than it is. There are plenty of Pro cameras to choose from, but so few pocket cameras with high quality.
The hot shoe should not add in size, but the swivel screen probably does. But maybe Sony shows us some real innovation and keeps the camera size the same. Although I would still prefer the camera smaller and with fixed screen.
I hope Sony learns from Panasonic’s mistakes. Panasonic made new camera generations bigger than the old ones, and now they wonder why they don’t sell.
Hope they make the lens faster and rather reduce the zoom if it gets too big. And it gets an option to set minimum shutter speed!
Most Sony cameras is real crap (especially NEX), but RX-100 is brilliant in every aspect, except autofocusing in video mode.
SONY DSC-RX100M2 coming with Exmor R CMOS
http://www.sony.jp/ServiceArea/impdf/manual/44659720DSC-RX100M2.html
there is nothing!
Do you have the manual from the RX1-R too?