Before to read, I admit I am a bit frustrated that I have to wait that long to buy my much awaited Sony Full Frame SLT camera. And As I told you I hope it will not have the same issue story of the [shoplink 8461]Sony A77[/shoplink] 🙁
But it sounds like also the very professional companies like Canon and Nikon are having troubles to guarantee a professional quality product. After the Canon 5D markIII “Leakgate” story (here at Canonwatch) it looks like also Nikon has a serious issue on the Nikon D800. Nikon just has admitted that “a run” of D800s have an issue with viewfinder alignment (Source: Fstoppers).
It’s the right time for Sony to start to tease us the Sony A99. Don’t you think? 🙂
P.S.: The Nikon D800 no more rules the DSLR ranking at Amazon (Click here to watch the full ranking).
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I guess Sony just perfecting their products rather than rushing ’em to the market. I see that the click gate on 5N is quite a disturbing one considering those competitor’s problem. I must say that despite the delay, Sony must have done it’s power to deliver (hopefully zero)defect products to us. 😀 ->sounds like a fanboy talking…
just tape it up, you sonyboy crybabys
I believe that by releasing the product at the right time (most of us think it’s a delay), sony is trying to avoid what we all see in canon and nikon at the moment, thats all. I don’t even complaining at all too, just sharing my two cents is all.
Wouldn’t everybody want a product that have minimum (if not zero) defect. I would.
It’s all about learning from other’s mistakes, plain and simple. 🙂
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Sony does not have anything to offer at the moment and that is why they are not releasing anything at the moment
Some responses are just so primitive…:)
(e.g. no nikon no)
sony did mistake as well in a77 launch, made all the a77 hang due to fw issue. why? i believe everyone push not to delay the shipment
Cameras are have become increasingly complex. There will be a tendency to have some teething problems with complex systems. It’s not a Sony, Nikon, or Canon thing. Sometimes, stuff happens. A good company admits and rectifies mistakes readily.
“Cameras have become increasingly complex.”
The relative simplicity of a mirrorless camera is a big advantage.
What does this or any of the Canon reports on this site concerning MkIII issues have to do with Sony products?
I come here for Nex news and these posts just look like fanboy finger pointing.
“It’s the right time for Sony to start to tease us the Sony A99. Don’t you think? :)”
Its past time! Though Sony releasing a new FF replacement for the A900 is not a “life-or-death” situation, it completely baffles me that they stop production of the A850/A900 with no replacement or updated model — nor even an announcement of what is coming. This is not a first for Sony, having done the same with the A700. Why would you not either keep the A900 going, or have an updated version of it in production, while you gear up for a future SLT FF? Certainly I don’t need (nor can I afford) the “latest-and greatest” but there a many that do. I’ve already seen plenty of alpha users sell off their gear and switch systems. Not even making an announcement of what is to come for FF, at a time that Canon and Nikon introduce new “kick-butt” full frame cameras (even with the reported defects) does nothing to instill confidence in Sony by their existing FF Alpha user base!
No problem here, I have a freezer full of Fujichrome Velvia and Kodak Ektar 100 and my trusty Minolta Maxxum 7 and Maxxum 9! (and no light leaks) 🙂
Yea, one of the issues is that the camera cannot take crappy pics of cats or mailboxes.
Sony will surely put canon & Nikon out of business with their 500mm $13,000 lens and plastic a55.
Go Sony!
ohhh another butt hurt canikon!
poor baby!
Did your super expensive OVF toy not work?
poor baby!
Nope, all my Nikon and Sony gear work great. Just landed my 2nd fashion shoot this week. Each paying over $1500 for a half day of work.
I’m doing just fine.
Maybe we can see how much you make taking high iso pics of your cats and bookshelves, bahahaha
poor baby!
well your hypothethical career seems to run pretty well
if you have time to lurk around on forums to flame.
Yeah, too bad I can’t make a career taking pics of my car at iso 6400 to post on these forums.
I guess by lurk you mean I came to the site and saw it was bashing Nikon again so I chimed in with some reality for you meatheads?
Yup, then I’m lurking for a full minute or two, then it’s back out to shoot.
I’m not skilled like a Sony user to be able to stay inside with my camera and shoot pics of my bookshelves.
Bahahahahaha
Wow, I thought only the A77 had issues.
ha ha ha, well said, bro!!!
I’m going back to my film wind Hassy and Oly.
Dust the enlarger off and forget this freaka-digi-aholic world we’ve created.
Good idea. The film is still affordable but the D&P is way too expensive for recreational shooting. Last time i paid 22$ for a roll of 36. If it wasn’t for that I would still use film cameras exclusively.
As with any new electronic gadget, bugs in new camera models are common and they always get fixed quickly. The NEX-5n had the audio clicking problem while recording video. Some early Fuji X100s had sticky aperture blades. Every manufacturer has had their share of problems with new models.
Nikon will have this bug worked out by the time they ship my 800E, so I’m not concerned at all.
Unless they claim the bug to be a feature and refuse to rectify it!
It is pretty dumb to post such things on this site. Andrea is it supposed to make us feel good that Nikon or Canon have issues? The A77 had its own issues so we better shut up and hope the A99 will not have anything like this happening.
When the A77 had issues, it didn’t stopped the Canikon Fanboys and Fansites.
They had a field trip with it. There was so much announcements that it even affected the sales and forced Sony to release 4 firmware updates within months.
Karma’s a bitch, what is so wrong with announcing problems with Canikon products now?
Are you secretly implying that the people who shoot Sony is in some way a better human being than Canikons?????????????
We never bashed you douchebag, we were too busy out making money with our gear!
I own Sony, Nikon, canon, and the only thing I make fun of here is stupid posts about Sony taking over the camera market with cameras made for soccer moms.
You sir are an idiot.
Buy an A900. It is proven and solid.
Or an A850. Equally solid.
The A900 and A850 are discontinued. Sony wants to make sure every last FF is sold months before allowing us the honor of buying the A99.
Adorama sells a900 still. I bought mine when projected a99 announcement was pushed to end-August. I will put some miles on my camera this summer. No more worries about a900 for 11 long months.
I just got my B&H Photo Spring-summer 2012 catalog and in the same book as the new Nikon d800 and d800e and the new Canon mkIII is the Sony a900………..nothing on the page telling buyers that the camera is discontinued and was before the Nikon and Canon was anounced.
Are these posts really necessary? I visit this site to read about Sony rumours, but what I see here is someone gloating over Nikon’s technical misfortunes. Let’s not sink this low please…
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let just have magical thinking – nikon not exist
Schadenfreude Listeni/ˈʃɑːdənfrɔɪdə/ (German: [ˈʃaːdənˌfʁɔʏdə]) is pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others.
Yup its a Sony rumor site, so suffer to all the people who jumped and bought a D800!
HAHAHA! Suffer in your jocks! Karma’s a bitch!
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Why is this a surprise, most cameras have issues otherwise firmware updates would not happen. The a99 or whatever it is called will have issues whether we spot them or not.
I do agree that Sony should push the details of their next FF camera out now unless they have not finalised it yet ;-}
Come on Sony let use know what is going on.
Si
Now a days 1st batch production always has issue with products either its Canon, Nikon, Sony, Apple.
All are same.
Whatever, there is no perfect camera on this planet.
But at least Nikon and Canon can enjoy there new sensors and AF system for shooting this summer.
We will get the A99 after all the summer, and events are over. 🙁
No it will be in time (for 2013 or else 2014) 😉
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This is usually the case for ‘early-adopters’. Its always better to wait at least a little bit to iron out the kinks.
Very unfortunate some of these are hardware issues and requires a return to the Service Center.
I love it how Nikon claims that the green LCD is a feature!!!
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I’ve had my D800 for over a month now, have experienced no problems whatever with the camera, and have been enjoying a great new product. That said, I am a NEX fan and am just waiting patiently for the announcements of the lenses I need and then I’ll be all in.
You mean you don’t see the green issue with the LCD?
The tethering issue of losing connectivity?
The AF issue?
The unresponsive issue?
Long Exposure issue?
Flash Sync issue?
I wonder if Digital Rev is going to do a review about all these issues???
They were very kind to point out all the issues of the A77 after all…
Yeah… But I don’t think Kai would wanna do that…
That would be coitus interruptus for Kai
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There is no green color cast issue with the LCD. I’ve done a lot of checking and the colors are fine. Besides, I am not taking pictures with the LCD so why should I care whether or not the LCD delivers true color fidelity, as long as the actual photos produced by the camera sensor are okay? I use the OVF much more than Live View, consequently the colors in the LCD—although they are fine—are not of great concern to me.
What AF issue? My D800 has exhibited no AF focus problem in the thousands of shots I’ve taken in various shooting modes. In a head-to-head comparison (for testing purposes) the D800 AF is better than that of my D7000.
Long exposure issue? I haven’t done a lot of long exposures, but I’ve done a dozen or so and had no problems so far. Maybe I’m just lucky.
The unresponsive issue? Sorry, I don’t know what that is so I can’t respond. All I know is that in the field my D800 works better than my D7000. The only “problem” I’ve had was that the AA filter on the sensor was dirty, probably from the start, and the local camera shop where I bought my D800 did a dry clean for free (and said come back in a couple of months so they could clean it again…for free). The dust did not show up in my photos until I began shooting test shots at apertures much smaller than f/11, which is why I didn’t notice it at first.
Omg you are owner of nikon d800 with zero problems, you are the lucky 1 out of 100,000! Or maybe youre just a colorblind noob! Zero problems, uh ok. When those problems have already been confirmed by nikon.
I am more intrigued by the Olympus OM-D and the adaptors that allow me to use my existing Nikon lenses.
John,
Do more research before you reply. The number of problems is a very small percentage.
Our opinion on the store floor: this is what happens when product gets rushed to the market. The cameras could certainly have waited, and their adoring, frothing, little fans could have as well. I realize that the D800 and the 5DMkIII and the A77 were a combined 10 years in the making but, as someone who has to sell these products with confidence on a daily basis, I’d rather they waited just a bit longer to do it right.
As an aside to the naysayers talking about Speak Sony Only on this website, I can tell you that things like this do in fact affect the Sony market greatly… If Nikon and Canon are having issues, people who have the time to do so will sit back and wait until the A99 comes out at the end of this summer/fall and see what it has to offer. I’ve already had two people cancel 5DMkIII orders specifically to do so. In the insanity of online forums Sony may still have a bastard stepchild sort of appearance but in the field, and this comes from dealing with professionals of all walks every day, Sony is gaining if not a following then a respect. And these professionals are more than willing to entertain a second system with SLT esque capabilities if they have to.
It’s true that first generation systems will have their issues but the mechanical problems that are being reported are things that could have been avoided with a more thorough production run, simply put. There’s firmware and then there’s sloppiness, likely due to market pressure placed upon them by us, the stores, the consumers… and perceived imminent competition.
Our Nikon and Canon reps have finally admitted that their companies are “of course” looking over their shoulders at Sony and I don’t think this can be discounted. Sony has a lot to offer and, further, they have the advantage of having a system of lenses that don’t necessarily have to be rebuilt from the ground up: Instead Sony have the option to build what they know they will need.
We think the 5DMkIII and D800 are superb cameras… released with flaws on a market that was overeager to receive them. The consumers start screaming for new product upon the date of release… what are manufacturers to do? Maintain some sort of consistency, of course. However, they need to be thorough enough to maintain consistency in reliability first and foremost and as a crew we’re willing to wait for that.
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It’s a bit sad, because every D800 not sold = 1 Sony sensor not sold!
But that doesn’t stop me from laughing at Canikon fanboys!
After all they paid a premium for their products!
Yes, bad manufacturing is the customers’ fault.
“what are manufacturers to do?”
The best approach would be to be more open about testing and faults, and release a few hundred of a new camera as beta versions. Those who want to try out a new model which is likely to have faults can then buy knowing the risks.
Couple this with a good web forum for reporting bugs, visited directly by designers and production managers.
Then after about three months of this process, issue a finished release version. But continue to make it easy to report bugs.
In other words, stop pretending that your products will spring to life perfect and complete.
LOL No they won’t! Nobody will see d800 problems and wait for Sony. That would be ridiculous, and makes no sense whatsoever.
Almost NOBODY CARES what Sony are doing. Sony dSLRs (or SLT lol) are just a curiosity at most for Canon and Nikon users.
Every new camera has teething problems. NEX5n had a clicking problem. A77s were full of bugs when they were released – laggy wheels, crashing, locking up etc. To say that this is some huge fault of Nikon and that Sony benefit in any way is beyond ridiculous.
@C Dude. I’ve been in this industry for 15 years. I see the trends daily at our counter, at our sales wall. We carry all the majors with the exceptions of Fuji (though we have the X10 and the X100 when possible) and Samsung (they’re getting there… just not yet) and Pentax (the first zombie company since Yashica). We try to give as many of our brands equal play, every day. None of us are single system shooters and not one of us on this floor believe any one brand better than another. We have our own preferences but, unlike a great many forum posters like yourself, we’re able to distinguish our likes and dislikes, and our needs, from what our customers may like or dislike or need.
People DO care what Sony are doing. Why? Because Sony are getting a ton of write ups, that’s why. And these write ups are stating, with a positive bent, that Sony has broken the barrier and become a technological influence on the seemingly impenetrable world of DSLRs. They’ve been thinking outside the box and making high end capabilities accessible to those who don’t have high end budgets. No one’s perfect, mate, NO ONE. Canon and Nikon have a FILM legacy to have fun with but are still building their digital version. Sony has been doing 1’s and 0’s since the 60s. What Sony have done in the last 5 years of DSLR has taken Canon and Nikon the past 12. And Sony aren’t done. They’re not even fully refined yet. They have enough market share and, more importantly, enough opportunity, to continue giving Sony leadership the impetus they need to keep funding the imaging division, the one division that continually shows growth every year.
Sony isn’t going anywhere, they’re not dying out, and they’re not quitting. I’m sorry to report this to you. AND, FURTHER, neither should you wish them to. If it weren’t for Sony coming out of nowhere with new designs and new capabilities these past few years, you would never have seen Nikon or Canon jump on the innovation bandwagon that they have now. Canon and Nikon got lazy. It was time for them to get off their collective asses and do something impressive. It’s been way too long since either of them did. Frankly we’re bored with the both of them. Thank god for Olympus and Fuji and Sony. Otherwise the old, conservative vanguard would continue to market for your money and not for your art.
I am disappointed. Where are Canikon fanboys blaming their camera problems on Sony again.
We don’t blame out camera, we make money, have art shows, and create beautiful work.
How’s that soccer mom camera the a55 and the $13k lens working out for you?
Yeah, that’s what I thought.
Letscsee your work, I’d like to see high iso pics of your cat, bahahaha
Yada yada yada. Hurry up and release the “a99” or whatever so I can purchase…… an a77 for peanuts
I suggest it’s a cheap shot to say “The Nikon D800 no more rules the DSLR ranking at Amazon”, when it is 4 to 6 times the price of the only cameras selling more – and they all include a lens. Therefore I think it’s an amazing achievement that the D800 is in the top 20, let alone number 6 among such low-priced “competition”.
Yeah definitely a bad product bcs not nr 1 ! Uhh where is Sony btw? Ahh at nr. 42… Thank God quality is not for everyone.Just what we want: no sales but exclusiveness.
Yea, I myself got a huge LOL when seeing where Sony is in the rating.
Rather silly after posting joyful news for D800 falling down few places from top of the board.
At least THEY have FF cameras in the lineup;-)
I don’t think you can classify the light leak issue as being ‘serious’. It does not even impact the results dramatically. Surely you cannot put it in the same category as lock ups and AF issues, white orbs or even the 5D2’s black dot issue when it was first launched.
“It’s the right time for Sony to start to tease us the Sony A99. Don’t you think?”
No. Talk about it when it is almost done, release it when it’s done.
Sometimes when I use my Sony A700 with OVF and I have the sun in my
back the exposure can be way off if sun rays enters the OVF.
I believe a camera with EVF don’t have such a problem.
Yupp! More Sony news and less Nikon or Canon news please 🙂
Same old story. My German friend never buy new cameras – Nikon often have mechanical problems, Canon is fixing electronic near half year. (Just look for FW updates for 5DM3 – what are they fixing) And now – real quality is expensive – but marketing is not – and give possibility to got @black cash@ back. So results is here – all 2012 top cameras got there own issues.
Sony = Fail
Nikon + Canon = Real artists & pros
…and wankers clearly
What the hell does Nikon D800 problem have to do with Sony Alpha rumors?
This is so childish and shows the personal insecurity that many SONY users feel in regards to the SONY brand and products that have invested in.
You’re right – the post has nothing at all to do with Sony. I’m guessing it’s there for the benefit of the visiting Canikon trolls that have nothing better to do with their time than dump their crap on a site that has nothing to do with their own products.
You want childish? Just look at “Sony Great”‘s comments.
agree. But look at nikonrumors and canonrumors and they do not put up troll like posts. Visitors comments are often times rude and flat out wrong but this site has had some past post that provide no true info and are just there to draw visitors (aka trolls) or to vent at the lack of lens or other problems the admin sees in the upcoming products (sigma 30mm or not announced cameras A99).
Admin still does a great job of finding leaks. But if post like this keep coming up and keep drawing more and more trolls to the “conversation” photorumors might be my solo place to get info on nex products.
There is very few things that would need to be changed to remove some of the rudeness in this post and I bet you would see less of “Sony Great” if that was removed.
You completely got it wrong Itsa. It’s not a troll post. Read my answer to pokes post!
Troll like post – not troll post, Just as you read it as an attack on the site, so many people read your post in a way that has a strong biased, and I think it helps attract trolls (or at least troll like comments).
Take Kia reviews because his way of reviewing products you get a love hate relationship and people that do not see the same thing he sees want to make it known and with out writing a book its hard to express any thing in such a few lines.
its not that your post is bad and read in the right way it truly shows no hate to other company’s, but if read by some one that has a strong biased to a different company…
You still do a great job and I post comments like this only bc I want to see this site and the comments that come out of each post be even better.
Yup. Absolutely no reason to post this here, other than attempting to gloat at problems with a competing product.
That said, I doubt Nikon care. With unprecedented number of pre-orders, I don’t think they will really mind what Sony do.
Sony have no competing product.
Unprecedented pre-orders is just a result of feeding frenzy stoked by Nikon’s marketing dept.
People admit to double and triple pre-ordering to be the first on the block to have one then complain when none are available.
It all gets down to greed and lust.
Greed from a manufacture to get the most money from a product rushed to market and lust of the consumer fueled by marketing hype to get the newest shiniest new thing that they cannot live without.
Reminds me of the Cabbage Patch frenzy where a Walmart employee was trampled to death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4vmyUb6aTU&feature=player_embedded
Perhaps 5% of those that order are heavy users 100K shutter actuations a year so a new camera every 4 years is in need.
The rest just lustful consumers who’s cameras still work perfectly fine and the shiny new thing won’t make the a better photographer.
@ sony great
At least I’m not the one having my posts deleted ;¬)
I think admin is trying to let everyone know that manufacturing problems are not only something experienced by Sony. I wish no one had to experience problems with their purchases.
You got it right Poke. Too bad not everyone didn’t got my message. The interetsing thing here is that all manufactorers are having issues producing reliable cameras in the PRO segment. And I hope Sony learned from his own mistakes.
Very thankful all the problems with the A77 was firmware.
It would have been a real kick in the balls if Sony fixed the camera with black tape or said that the issues were a feature.
I was a bit harsh at Sony when the A77 was released in an imperfect state… After reading all the issues surrounding other cameras… It could have been worst.
well, it’s a huge luck for Sony, we all have to admit. Reactions on issues in D800 and 5DmkIII were mostly very calm with loads of excuses from people to the company. On the other hand: every issue in Sony camera is automatically a deal-breaker, even if it eventually gets fixed with firmware and camera packs most goodies for the price on a market.
Sadly: Sony cannot afford any mistakes, not when trying to gain market share, and especially not when having an opinion of plastic-toy-camera-maker.
I’ve had a canon guy say to me… “no problems! I just press the shutter button with my pinky finger while covering the screen with my other fingers”
I read somewhere that Canon is apparently fixing the cameras by applying black electrical tape under the display to rectify the issue.
If Sony applied tape to fix a professional camera… I can’t even think about the repercussions. Yet they are all happy with it…
/facepalm
As far as I know it always happened that camera makers had problems with some new cameras. In different percentages, of course, but even the mechanical Hasselblads or Leicas could come out of the factory with some problems.
I really don’t see how a sane person would avoid buying a camera for this reason, unless the problem is systemic and really spoils the camera.
I am sure that whatever camera Sony will produce next, it will have some problems, especially early models will do. As it was pointed out, many problems appear as soon as the camera is sold, and then are addressed by the producers (for this reason it has always been wise to wait few months before buying a newly released camera… or whatever other technological item). So it is really unwise to buy a product and immediately rely on it for your professional needs.
After the Sony A99 will be released, we will see this same discussion, but with roles reversed. As soon as all problems from the future camera will be discovered (and there will be problems for sure, there are always problems of some kind) everybody will say that Sony failed, Sony’s cameras are worthless, etc. It will not be the case, as it is not the case with the D800.
As far as I can see it, the major flaws in these cameras are overcome after few months. What remains is the actual camera, with its plusses and minuses.
I really don’t manage to appreciate fanboys happy because “my” product sells or will sell or may sell more than someone else’s product. I don’t actually care if the A99 will sell more than the D800, as far as it is a better product. Or vice versa. I like the idea that the best camera (with the best price /performance ratio) sells better, so that the other manufacturers can improve their next products and put pressure on the first manufacturer to improve even more its best cameras. Dot.
Fanboi-ism in general is distasteful and tedious to say the least. I loathe the multi-response, sophomoric, back and forth arguments of how one company is better than another. Or more “pro”. Or more “innovative”. Or whatever.
Why in the heck would anyone care what anyone else thinks about their personal choice in…cameras?! Ridiculous. I think I’d probably laugh if a Nikon or Canon user walked up to me at the zoo or park or wherever I am with my family and tell me I bought a “soccer mom” camera…like I could give 2 sh!ts about what they think.
Which company these days can say they are turd-free in their range of offerings. Hell, if my budget allowed I’d own a 5D MKIII as well as my A77. Oh, and for the “pros” out there…I don’t have to make money through photography to justify how I use my camera and yes, that includes taking pictures of my cat and/or bookshelves. Why would you care anyway?
I would think that if you come to a Sony fan site and start stirring up trouble, you probably have a bigger issue than an out of alignment viewfinder or a light-leaking top LCD and VICE VERSA!
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And those who have come onto this thread and constantly moaned about the subject content – you can read the title so you knew what it was about. If you don’t want to read then don’t open it. Simple!
First of all, Nikon Rumors II page again…
Then, DP is right, we all can make choices, if the choice I made is different from MY choice, it’s not better, it’s just not the same, this is simple. There are so many brands because there are so many buyers…
And finally, people seems very happy about Nikon’s defects with the D800, well you should see how baaaaaad I feel with this camera… (that seems to make the day for everyone), had it since march 23, no flaws no complaints so far.
And well, I would have preferred my D800 with a green screen or tint or whatever than an A99 that is never gonna arrive, and if it does arrive in the year 3000 it will for sure 100% have some defects and/or defective copies.
Greetings to all, either if you anly shoot your cat with your cybershot/coolpix or it you are the most pro in the world and only care about ISO 500 000 for your hiper low light super pro weddings…
The Nikon D800 no more rules the DSLR ranking at Amazon
As will be at No. 1 in sales, if no stock to sell.
Wow…..! So much hostility here! Good thing my Pentax 645D has no issues
You failed to mention that Sony does not have one camera in the top 20 on Amazon. I really like the camera technology, but the pictures have to be a bit sharper. Sony also has to partner with some key names in the photography industry that can lobby their cause. They also need to win some more awards for photographic results. Perception is reality.