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(SR4) NEX-7 firmware udpate is on his way (NEX-7 EVF better than the X PRO 1 hybrid VF)

Image courtesy: Andrew Reid.

NEX-7 firmware
A trusted sources just told me that after the NX100 and A77 firmware also the new NEX-7 firmware upgrade is almost ready to be released. He didn’t share any details yet but I hope to get them soon. I hope Sony did read the NEX-7 firmware suggestion list from Björn Utpott (Click here). If only half of them would really be fulfilled I would be extremely happy!

Electronic versus Hybrid viewfinder
And while the DSLR versus SLT debate is still ongoing on SAR but also on many other forums you might read the following article written by Andrew Reid (Click here). He is right now testing the Fuji X PRO 1 and his sentences are quite radically in favour of the main competitor, the Sony NEX-7: “In my opinion, the optical viewfinder is superseded by the OLED EVF and no amount of hybrid niceness can save it. 5 years ago, it was preferable to have an optical viewfinder because EVFs were rubbish. Now, it is the opposite. The hybrid viewfinder in the X-Pro 1 is barely any different from the X100 and doesn’t particularly suit the interchangeable lens format it is now paired with. The larger lenses get in the way for a start, as does your hand.”

NEX-7 terrific sales:
The NEX-7 body is in Stock at Amazon US (Click here). And even if you have to pay a $100 extra for it the camera sells like hotcakes! It is on top of the Amazon US mirrorless ranking (Click here). And it is also on top at Amazon UK (Click here) and on second place at Amazon Deutschland (Click here) and Amazon France (Click here).

This could soon become the most sold camera of Sony’s history!
Check more order options at [shopcountry 8454] (Those are search links! Sometimes stores sold out or do not list the camera anymore).

 

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    1. +1, though I doubt they would be able to improve on that. To me, the AF speed is decent. It is the accuracy of it that is troublesome. Even in broad daylight, my Zeiss would sometimes get a slightly oof picture on a flat subject.

    2. Slow af??????? You must be joking. I have à Nikon d300 and nex7 and i think there is almost no diffrence. And i am comparing The nex7 with 24mm zeis and d300 with nikkor 50mm 1.8.

      1. I have shot with that very combo (D300 and 50/1.8) > 3 years ago and I do remember how it was. This is year 2012. Things have improved.:)

        1. That’s the current limitation of CD-AF. But it has come a long way since my Olympus E-P1. Now… that’s somewhat slow like a P&S (well… a bit faster than the bridge cameras). CD-AF speed vs PD-AF speed is still a huge difference. This is what the translucent mirror benefits in a full electronic system. A bit of a compromise for less light but gain that super fast and accurate AF.

          If someone ever find out how to do PD-AF mirrorless sensors will certainly win the photography race for years to come.

          1. Phase detection AF does have its limitations. On the NEX-7 the AF is horrid in low light, even my old Olympus E-P3 was faster and more accurate in the same situations. The E-P3’s AF is quite fast, almost instant at times. I can say that it’s faster than that of the Canon 50D and Nikon D7000 I had before. I really hope they can improve on the phase detection AF technology so it can track moving subjects better. The new Olympus E-M5 is suppose to improve on the already lightning fast AF of the E-P3. So we’ll see how this goes.

    3. Cause you cannot afford 24.8ze so never used the lens with nex7. Poor thing but keep working and make some
      More $$$ to be able to afford the zeiss lens.

  1. On the X-Pro 1 link:

    “The larger lenses get in the way for a start, as does your hand.”

    Yeah, Sony ought to listen to this and shrink the sizes of the lenses while not compromising the performance. While the size is good, the 16/2.8 is really pathetic.

      1. I know. With such tiny bodies, the lenses for the NEX are monstrous in comparison (to the X-Pro-1 and its lenses).

        1. ” With such tiny bodies, the lenses for the NEX are monstrous ”

          The lenses are average size. It is the NEX bodies that are small.

          You just have to forget your concept of a camera as a big box with a little lens stuck on the front, and think of a good lens with a useful recording sensor stuck on the back.

          1. I have big monstrous lenses. They are big because they are also faster (f/0.95~f1). I also have tiny lenses (manual focus), still faster than the E primes and I have all the E-primes to compare.

          2. Vivek, those fasts lenses of yours are all manual focus lenses with no built-in AF motor. However, I do agree Sony need more small lenses to be more appealing. The registration distance of the X-Pro1 is a bit shorter than that of the NEX system, yet they manage to have a tiny 18/2 and a decent size 35/1.4. I guess at the moment, we can clearly see that the Sony team is no expert in designing a lens with such short registration distance. Fuji, on the other hand, has had plenty of experiences in designing RF lenses.

          3. @ Joe:

            Agree on the Fuji expertise. What is so fascinating is that Zeiss, despite their >100 years of expertise, designed a big lens with longer BFL (longer than the NEX registry of 18mm) while Fuji went exactly the other way and still have delivered compact fast lenses.

            Some clever thinking somewhere while others are stuck in a rut. 😉

          4. I’m not sure the suggestion that Sony’s designers are less capable of making small lenses than Fuji are is correct. Both Zeiss and Minolta have made highly regarded and quite compact M mount lenses, so Sony surely could tap that skill set. I suspect the real reason is that the designers simply haven’t been asked to design a lens like that, ie. the fault lies on the management side, not the engineering side.

          5. @ Carl: If they are capable (Minolta made 3 M mount lenses. Decent but not stellar. Zeiss are now making (actually Cosina and not Zeiss) lenses for digital M bodies with no AA filters.)they should have. I don’t care if the management makes it or the PR department. I only know that every E prime says Sony (and is warrantied by Sony).

          6. That sounds a bit harsh. The CLE Minolta’s might not be up to the standards of a Summicron ASPH, but they can still hold their own against modern SLR lenses. Minolta also had a rangefinder system back in the 50s, that is often forgotten about, so had more experience than just that.

            Zeiss’s made by Cosina are no less Zeiss than the ones made by Sony.

          7. You forget that designing lenses is not just a physics challenge, but a cost one too. If they say they want a lens of x focal length and y size and z aperture at $300, you can only do so much. Zeiss on the other hand, that knows it can produce lenses and charge premium for premium quality, can give itself the luxury of more freedom.

            The 16mm is a good example. A 200GBP lens that everyone expects to deliver as well as good as its most inmediate equivalent in mirrorless, the Oly 12mm, a lens costing 3 times as much.

            Same goes for all zooms and primes. If Sony believes people will be willing to pay more than X for a premium lens, they will make one. So far, I think that will be in Zeiss land to come up with another premium prime.

            I think the 50mm 1.8, which appears to be a good lens, is a great feat in matters of costs and IQ delivery.

            I think Vivek seems to like the styr of argument and often sounds like a bitter man whose happy moment wont come until he buys an M9 and then begins to complain about it in other forums.

          8. @ Peter,

            You seem to know a lot more about me than myself! Do you own/use a NEX-7 and all the E primes? I do.

            Stop speculating.

          9. @Vivek,

            I do have two NEX 7s. One with the Zeiss 24mm and one with a Nokton 35mm 1.2 (those are the two most used focal lengths for me)

            I haven’t bought the Sony’s because they dont seem to cut the mustard (I tried the 30mm macro and the 16 – but they are not good enough) I have a Contax 60mm Macro and waiting for the c/y to nex adapter so I can do proper macro work.

            I do know quite a bit because I have used Canon, Nikon, Contax and Voigtlander in the past. Its not out of nothing that lenses cost X with certain compromises. Voigtlander has a nice 40mm f2 for SLR and its a nice lens but it isnt tack sharp wide until it hits f4. The cost for that lens is around 350-400GBP. Is it worth it? yes because its compact and relatively good in quality. The Zeiss 35mm f2 and 50mm macro I had for my Canons were not cheap either. Are they worth it? yes, because they are the best in their fields.

            So when someone asks Sony for pancakes, and Sony has the consumer mentality (cheap, sell loads, good build quality) then price is something that is important in deciding for a product. I see the NEX 7 as a trial to see who and how many adopt the NEX system in the more advanced photographers and enthusiasts. I see that the camera costs a premium for Sony NEX standards, but compared to its competition it doesnt.

            Hopefully, Sony will understand that quality is what dictates sales. The Panny 20mm isnt cheap, really, but it sells loads and most m4/3 users buy it as a must. Apparently the 24mm Zeiss was out of stock for a little while because it became very popular too although it isnt cheap. Hell, Leica’s 21 and 24mm 1.4 are not easy to find either and here in London the waiting list is of 2 months to get your hands in one and they cost north of 4.5k GBP.

            You will buy a 16mm f2 if it was 1k from Zeiss wouldnt you? Would you pay 600GBP for a 32mm Zeiss f1.4? I would. Even if they are not pancakes…if they deliver, people buy. The NEX 7 demands quality lenses and Sony should provide them.

            Stop being so bitter man. You seem to compete for attention like an unpopular 8 year old in his own birthday party.

          10. @ Peter,

            Problems you seem to be having with your presumptions are your own.

            You are so sweet, man (or woman). LOL!

          11. The problem is that Sony is a Consumer Products Company and Sony Broadcast is a Camera Company http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-broadcastcameras/

            The name Sony Style® says it all. The original NEX was a cute Fashion Statement, seemingly designed for the Hello Kitty® crowd. The lenses were designed to have a consistent look and diameter, sort of a stove pipe look. Usually form follows function, look at the lenses from anyone else, there is no design consistency. Zeiss undoubtedly could have designed a shorter lens, but it looks like they had to follow some Sony Design Rules.

            Sony should give the engineers more say, and the stylists less.

    1. Considering you have taken this statement completely out of context and twisted it to suit your own agenda, I’m surprised it ha sparked as much of a conversation as it has. The reference to lenses getting in the way, as well as your hand is in reference to the optical viewfinder on the X-Pro1 – Not the size of NEX lenses (which is something Andrew isn’t terribly concerned about).

        1. No, but it is a simple feature that I want. I’m not a DP, just someone who wishes to do some personal experimentation.

  2. I think the rangefinder idea is stupid as soon as you have interchangeable lenses. The whole explanation of how the X1-pro makes the view magnified by a certain % with each lens just sounds dumb :-/

    1. Shooting a [real] rangefinder is actually a really lovely experience. There’s a certain oneness with the camera that’s hard to explain. Well, if you can keep the damn thing calibrated that is, and it certainly requires more work to get the shot.

      Of course, the X1P isn’t a rangefinder, it just tries to look like one.

      1. And that is exactly what it is, a hybrid excels at neither. I see that most X100 users would eventually settle with the crappy EVF instead of the gimmicky OVF.

      2. Yeah, I have a Yashica Electro 35 rangefinder with 45mm f1.7 which is awesome

        But as soon as you have interchangeable lenses that idea falls apart. There’s a reason you don’t see many rangefinders with telephoto lenses or wide angles!

        The Fuji answer is to apply some bizzare magnification to the rangefinder viewfinder and you only use the middle portion which shrinks as you add a longer lens. I’m unconvinced by that somehow…

        1. It’s possible to make a variable baselength (zoom) rangefinder, it’s just that no one has. I think the reason for that is the few players left in that market are unhealthily focused on trying to be like Leica, who are at pains to avoid changing just about anything they can get away with from 1954’s M3. In that context the Contax G was like the rangefinder equivalent of SLT; innovative, elegant, and people hated it.

          1. SLT is elegant? Am I missed something? I always thought it’s the ugly solution: expensive, unreliable, step -1 in IQ department.

          2. Elegant doesn’t mean good. It means it does everything it needs to do in the simplest, cleanest possible way.

            In terms of Sony’s execution, well, it is much like the zooming viewfinder and autofocus system of the Contax G…

    1. Me too!

      For that matter it does not have to be a NEX. Any FF mirroless cam with a decent EVF and flash hot shoe would do. 🙂

    2. That would be totally awesome. At least a NEX-5 with a FF sensor on it, as a start, to be used with legacy lenses 😀
      Or maybe they could do a NEX-300 and a NEX-500, both FF, the 300 rather cheap, and the 500 more advanced and expensive for those who want everything.
      I know I’m just dreaming, don’t yell at me lol

  3. My Nex7 firmware wish list:
    1.- 16 or 12mp RAW option in order to have a better high ISO image, also because I dont need 24mp all the time either.
    2.- 1/250 flash syncronization
    3.- Tethering (I dont use it but it seems will be a nice add for a lot of people)
    4.- Square format in camera

    1. I do think the 1/250 flash sync for the on board flash is a bit too much. I have no problem using HSS mode with my F43AM.

    2. 1) Isn’t going to happen. For a start, it can’t be raw if it’s downsized. Raw is raw.. as soon as you apply downsizing or any processing, you’ve re-processed and altered the entire image. Therefore it isn’t raw any more. Also it wouldn’t make the high ISO any better – you could just downsize and noise reduce the images yourself.

      2) Is probably hardware limited

      3) Yes this could be added, but I somehow douct that Sony would add it to the NEX7 when they haven’t added it to the a77 yet

      4) Could be added, and with the EVF I could see it working quite nicely. They could offer other formats like 5:4 as well with the EVF automatically cropping the view. That would be cool.

      1. @David Canon has been providing both RAW ans sRAW (smallRAW) since the 40D. sRAW uses 1/4 the pixels and make a file 50% smaller.

        Now Canon cameras have RAW, mRAW (medium RAW) and sRAW (small RAW)

          1. @Arymas said “1.- 16 or 12mp RAW option in order to have a better high ISO image, also because I dont need 24mp all the time either.”

            @David said “1) Isn’t going to happen. For a start, it can’t be raw if it’s downsized. Raw is raw.. as soon as you apply downsizing or any processing, you’ve re-processed and altered the entire image. Therefore it isn’t raw any more”

            Seems to me that Artmas is asking for a Canon style sRAW/mRAW and David is talking about Sony’s Compressed cRAW … two different things IMHO.

          2. Yup. He said 16mp or 12mp. That’s referring to the image size in megapixels, not the file size

            You can have compressed raw (my a850 did), but not down-sized raw like he was after.

    3. How would a 16MP or 12MP RAW be better in low light, assuming in this case the sensor is the same? Less MP doesn’t always = better low light. That capability is determined by the sensor output (RAW output). Unless you are talking about pixel binning of some kind? But then that is hardly RAW.

  4. Not only the EVF performance but, from the picture, the NEX-7 seems to have a bigger sensor as well! 🙂

    1. Optical illusion, because the body is so small. Maybe the lens also look bigger because of this illusion… hahaha

  5. If the only thing they fix is the problem with the eye sensor waking up the camera I’d be happy. I love my NEX 7 but it positively EATS batteries. It’s really simple Sony… if I don’t touch the camera for X seconds, put it to sleep, no matter where I’m viewing the image. Then don’t wake it up until I half press the shutter, just like every other digicam made… I have no idea who thought waking the camera up with the eye sensor was a good idea.

  6. The Zeiss is actually not a big lens.
    I have plenty of Canikon prime lenses (APC-S : 18 to 24mm : f/1.8-2.0 : non-plasticy) which are bigger and heavier.
    Yes it is a bit long but not that much.

    It looks like you have been reading to much the m4/3 forums. 🙂

    1. The 24/1.8 is long as it is and is very long with the supplied hood. Suffers a lot from CA. If it isn’t for a lack of alternate and the sharpness it delivers, I would not keep using it.

      Soon, I will be able to compare it with the Fuji primes.

      m4/3rds is history. Too much hype and the same old sensor. LOL.

  7. man his review is nasty. nex 7 is a great camera and alot of reviews question fuji xpro 1 prize. but nex lens over x lens thats to much. everybody knows lens is nex system biggest weakness.

  8. WHY DOESN’T SONY RELEASE A MILLION NEX-7 CAMERAS BEFORE THEY BOTHER TO UPGRADE THE FIRMWARE??? WHO DOES THAT SERVE? THE FEW HUNDRED PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE CAMERA???

    1. No, it’s incentive for more people to buy one… I think a lot of people have held off because of all the little things people complain about with the NEX 7 and aren’t willing to take it on faith that things will be fixed later with an update. If the fix is already out there, I think many people would be more willing to buy.

      1. umm because Fabrication and r&d and software are totally different divisions. Why would the firware people wait for the fabrication side to catch up before improving and fixing things?

      1. He’s a full-manual capitalisation user. Caps lock is just a gimmick feature for amateurs. That’s why he hates modern keyboards, with their squinty little shift keys.

    2. It for ppl like me who pre-ordered this super long delayed NEX7 and are finally using it now. User like us finding some bugs and dislikes that Sony is this time willing to be proactive to step-in and have an early firmware-update fixes. For my case. I seem to have noticed that under low-light and even regular i door light, my NEX7 LCD and EVF displays are “grainy” as if it were a poor display (result images are fine). It is not the actual display because all the other menu info are crispy clear. Just under low light that it displays the outside image with “grain and seems like noise”. When under suitable sunlight or well lit areas, its fine. Sony, Please have a fix to this! I do love this EVF, but if it doesn’t function properly under “low or even regular indoor light conditions” I am wishing back for my Nikon OVF…

  9. I want a smaller focus box, the Nex-7’s smallest box is still too big for precise focusing imo – something that can go as small as the Panasonic M4/3’s!

    1. +1… if it was to be 50% smaller then we’ll be in serious business with the AF situation. The box is indeed to big, especially when focusing long-ish distance subjects.

  10. OVF and EVF are two very different animals. Mr Reid has not understood the difference between them – sad for him.
    Nobody denies the nex-7 EVF is currently best in breed. But an OVF also shows what is OUTSIDE the frame. This is very valuable for certain kinds of photography. No EVF so far has that feature.
    I like the NEX-7 a lot, on the virge of ordering one, looks for HQ lenses on the same quality level as the camera body – there are 1,5 of them so far……
    Fuji lenses + lenses in roadmap covers my “enthusiasts” needs; HQ, high speed, zoom OIS. Showing Fuji understands photography better than Sony.

      1. LOL, Kylberg is a Fuji fanboy. The RF “style” of the Fuji is only for a limited use (otherwise, most pros would jump all over that feature of seeing “outside the box”). If you really like the X-Pro1, you can justify it elsewhere. I will to see how long Fuji is going to release their next lens. If their 18/2 is decent in the corner at any aperture, I would get one (more for the focal than the fake RF system). However, from all the tests I have seen, that is not the case. And at the moment, the AF is not fast enough nor is there any useful MF assist.

    1. Maybe so, but Fuji’s implementation isn’t that great. I like the OVF in my X100, but you never know what you are going to get focus wise, the compensation for parallax doesn’t work well enough to know you have achieved correct focus and the camera isn’t terribly good at AF anyway, always seems to be on something other than the subject. I get many more ‘keepers’ with the EVF than the OVF – as much as I enjoy to use it, it isn’t a very good tool at all.

  11. Many people don’t need 24 mpix and would be happy to have the 16 mpix sensor in nex 7 body.
    High iso performance is always good but what bores me the most is the heavy files. Heavy for memory card, hard drive and processing time.
    I anderstand sony can make more money with 24 mpix sensor but bitches give us at least the choice of smaller raw files like canon.
    It’s always good to have the choice.

    1. Memory is cheap, disk space is cheap and processors are more than quick enough.

      If you can afford to drop that much for a NEX-7 and lenses, then you can afford to do something about your slow PC. 🙂

  12. Firmware WishList:
    1: Allow Image Stabilization To be customized to the Soft Buttons (On, OFF)
    2: Allow MF Assist (10x Magnification) to be toggled from a Custom Button even when MF Assist is turned OFF in the Menu.

    Am i right or am i right!?

    1. The A77 lost the dedicated SSS switch. I no longer turn off image stabilisation and it doesn’t appear to matter.

      Even with the switch I used to forget to turn it back on and that did matter! Doh!

      1. So it’s no longer recommended that you turn off image stabilization during tripod shots or long exposures like is was for the a900 or there is now just no switch to do so on the a77?

        1. No physical switch 🙁 You have to grope around in the menu now. You might be able to assign it to a button, but of course I don’t want to lose a button, if the “?” button was customisable I’d probably stick it on that one for the hell of it.

          It is still recommended that you turn it off, but testing in the studio shows that it doesn’t actually matter. Certainly not mattered to me, so I leave it on and forget about it.

          I guess outside for long exposure there will always be movement on a tripod anyway, however slight and unnoticeable to the eye?

  13. it’s not an excuse because even with the fastest computer when you don’t need 24 mpix then you don’t need it and lower pixel will always be faster.
    I just want sony to give us the choice, what’s wrong with that?

    1. I have not seen any processing difference handling RAW from moving 12mp to 24mp. The CPU is more than capable. If yours isn’t and it takes an extra 10 seconds, so what?

      As for choice, what you are saying is that Sony should produce two identical EXPENSIVE cameras, only because you want one for people who have adequate computer processing power and the other for people who can’t be arsed getting a cheap computer upgrade.

      In what way does that make any sense for Sony? For the cost of a budget lens, update your computer. If you bought the NEX-7 and lenses, you can well afford it!

  14. I’m surprised by some stuff in the list.

    Have the Nikon 1 already had its 15 minutes of fame?

    No top Sony cameras seems discounted (I know #9 is).
    … compare to Nikon 1.

    In all, some surprises in the list.

  15. I would love to see an update for THE continus an automatic focusing. Would like to switch that of. Would save à lot of batterys

    1. The image process on the little tiny body it probably taxed just doing the noise and i/o then to add RAW compression would be great if it can handle it.

    1. I also need +/-2EV bracketing. at least. I’d ask for +/-5EV in 5 or 7 steps but it is utopian. I do VR photography and nex-7 is by far the best choice for that. I’m not buying it just because of the bracketing problem. in camera HDR is ok but I need raw files. in my opinion sony is being disrespectful to it’s costumers by not addressing this minor problem.
      I am willing to spend 50% more on a camera with an open source OS.
      I’d also like a tethered/wireless mode, with smartphone control.

  16. Any firmware update to my NEX7 is a welcome addition… plain and simple. I like what it already can do. Yes, there are some issues but nothing that can’t be worked around. It works great with the Zeiss 1.8 24mm E-mount as well as my Leica and Zeiss M-mount lenses. Being that I’m not a professional photographer, I can live with the cameras few faults.

  17. All this firmware problems and update never exists if sony release an open firmware, or allow custom roms. On my canon, i use shdk, great alternative firmware, and one reason among other that make me prefer the camera. I wonder when a camera maker allow plugins or setup a market to buy new filters for instance.

  18. Andrew Reid is now saying the X-Pro-1 has the greatest APS-C sensor he has seen (via twitter) and he is probably right. Sony really should have stuck with the 5n sensor and the fuji sensor seems to be groundbreaking in terms of color management.

    1. Sony still making its 16mp sensor. Good thing is they also offer bigger resolution sensor for those who need it.

    2. > fuji sensor seems to be groundbreaking in terms of color management.

      You missed something. Fuji sensor should have lesser color depth than sony’s one. It’s the case from the sample shots I saw, they all look a bit P&Sish color wise.

  19. A new Sony Store just opened up here. The sales rep had fantastic news for me that someone just forfeited their NEX-7 18-55mm kit, so this one is the only one in stock for a long time. I told him this is great news and am very excited, but the truth is that I already got the NEX-7 and am very happy with it. So there are some in-stock at Sony Stores, but they get sold out very fast!

  20. OK, just got a wireless remote trigger for the NEX-7, and noticed yet another bone-headed move by Sony.

    I use a remote trigger so that I can take bracketed exposures without camera shake. If you do landscapes you know what I’m getting at.

    But guess what? You have to choose a “drive mode” to use the trigger. Only problem is that you have to choose a different “drive mode” to use bracketed exposures. WTF? What does using a remote trigger have to do with a drive mode in the first place? Honestly, it’s like Sony is trying to cripple this amazing little device so that we will “upgrade” to an A-series DSLR. I have several DSLR’s, and they all weight a ton and take up way too much space in my backpack. It’s like Sony doesn’t understand why people are buying their products.

    And that, my friends, is just plain ignant.

  21. March 14,2012: “…the new NEX-7 firmware upgrade is almost ready to be released.”

    April 22, 2012: NOTHING!!

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