Nikon finally announced the Nikon D800 which uses the new Sony 36 megapixel sensor. Interesting, there is even a Nikon D800″E” version that has not Anti Aliasing filter! There is no official info about who made the sensor. But I already knew since almost a year that Nikon would use a Sony produced 36 megapixel sensor this and I wrote it on SAR many times 🙂 Sony will very likely use the same sensor inside the full-frame camera that will be launched in early 2013. The Nikon D800 costs $3000 at Amazon (Click here). The D800E costs around $3.300 at Amazon (Click here) and Bhphoto (Click here).
So let’s take a short look on the part of the press release were Nikon talks about the sensor:
“The new Nikon developed 36.3-megapixel FX-format (35.9 x 24mm) CMOS sensor realizes Nikon’s highest resolution yet, and is ideal for demanding applications such as weddings, studio portraiture and landscape, where there is no compromise to exceptional high fidelity and dynamic range.
The D800 features a wide native ISO range of 100-6400, expandable to 50 (Lo-1)-25,600 (Hi-2). Nikon engineers have created innovative ways to manipulate light transmission to the sensor’s photodiodes, giving users the ability to shoot with confidence in challenging lighting conditions. Internal sensor design, an enhanced optical low pass filter (OLPF) and 14 bit A/D conversion with a high signal to noise ratio all contribute to a sensor capable of excellent low light ability despite the extreme resolution. Every aspect of this new FX-format sensor is engineered to deliver amazing low noise images through the ISO range and help create astounding tonal gradation and true colors, whether shooting JPEG or RAW.
The optimized CMOS sensor reads image data at astoundingly fast rates, which results in less instances of rolling shutter distortion.”
So, do you like it? 14bit, no anti aliasing filter, fast readout for less rolling sutter. That’s all stuff Sony has to offer on their cameras too!
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That and to put it in a NEX, how about that.
Then we might also finally get some Lenses for the dozens of different bodies that are out there.
Is there anything on the horizon regarding NEX lenses, I guess not.
Otherwise we would have heard of it, here on SAR
Have you been sleeping under a rock, or are you just trolling to justify your m43 purchase?
Sorry to dissapoint you, but I do not own a m4/3 camera.
I do own a NEX-5 with the pancake and 3 Minolta ROKKOR at 28mm , 35mm and 50mm
I still think the NEX7 is all I want in a Camera body.
But I do not like the size of their prime lenses. The proportions don’t go well and feel out of Balance.
I’m not trolling arounf anything, I am waiting for that new Lens roadmap that we heard about weeks ago. About those new pancakes and that ither Zeiss glass.
Did you even read my post ? In no way did I mention anything about m4/3 or the like.
Once the adaptor is factored in, wouldn’t the rokkors be even larger than the E mount equivalents?
Hi Carl.
Almost, only the 28mm with the Adaptor is larger then the 18-55 or 24mm Zeiss.
I did not wanna spend all that money on a Voigtländer or so MF lens, when I wasn’t sure I am going to like using it in MF.
But I do, I love the ROKKOR’s the only downside is their size, and therefore also the 24mm and 50mm from Zeiss/Sony will be to big for my taste.
I don’t even want them as tiny as the 16mm Pancake.
If you look at the Zeiss lens, it has like a trench kinda ring around it at the back. well if the lens would stop there, perfect.
So that is why I am so much looking forward to some new lenses for the NEX system.
D800E the mouse for experiment, the momentum to push Sony, the game charger! If you guy notice, now all player like noAA theseday, fuji 😀
Image quality will be crap with high ISO, also why would you need 36 MP????
The MP race is over, Nikon shouldn’t have gone this direction. They should have stuck with their 12 MP shooters…
/sarcasm
I believe we are too much on conventional brain! let the technology fly further. that is how apsc sensor pawn a conventional FF dslr IQ from fuji and now FF dslr again with noAA. we may see organic sensor coming in and various color arrays help improve IQ along the way.
Funny thing is when in 14mp, ppl ask for just give me ‘little’ bit more 16mp, when in 16MP, ppl ask for little bit more, 18MP, when 18 ask again little bit more 20MP, so when is end of little bit more? 😀 if totally no increment in MP all user storm the companies upsize down. In fact, improve DR again in existing sensor seem more difficult than innovate and investing in new technologies with together improved DR.
I dont believe MP race will make the company jeopardize like kodak! But you not race you are out of business over time like kodak! if you see it clearly, KODAK start with K.O! 😀
having 2 diff config model is real option for user. Sony could follow on this along on those features offered by rivals:
1) Clean HDMI out
2) Manual Audio & Video (no limitaton)
3) Built-in ND filter
4) Built-in time lapse
5) Infinity buffer
6) Remove AA filter, new color array, +5 stop
7) Hybrid AF
8) Hybrid EVF
9) Built-in Siri (what a wonderful moment -shoot and talk) 😀
10)AF time 0.1sec
11)UBS3.0/Thunderbolt
12)Slomo >400fps >720p
this is godlike camera! you like?
I just love trolling the troll.
@WTH
A professional camera, like the Hasselblad h4d60, is 60 MP. The MP race is not over…..brands are trying to fit more MPs in smaller consumer-based/semi-professional bodies. The D800 is a relevant transitional product for the price.
Yeah that medium floormat stuff is bullshit.
/sarcasm
haha mouse?? sonys sensor with nikon engine expeed,,, you can dream only it with sony pellicle ahahah
I am dreaming “only it with sony pellicle ahahah”….can we keep this guy, his command of the english language is hilarious 🙂
can we keep monkey? you are a monkey right? 😀 an alpha owner lol see you later, when sony image sistem is sinked
“when sony image sistem is sinked” – ahhhhh, stop it man, you’re killin’ me!!! 🙂
ahahah monkey you’re a monkey
ahhhh, lagranzi!!! I was worried you left us…glad you’re back my chubby little friend. Care to give us a few dyslexic and unintelligible comments on our new Sony lens? 🙂
It would also be interesting to see what Sony does with the price. 36 mega pixel for 3 grand will be hard to beat.
I would just like them to get the 24 megapixel camera out (hopefully with a built in grip), so we can get the ball rolling for other cameras.
Hopefully Sony will follow suit with AA-less bodies.
I can barely tell the E and non-E apart, even in the Nikon comparisons. Any gain in sharpness is minescule as far as I can see. But the moire/colour banding example they showed is horrible.
It depends on what you shoot, the optical frequency and the angle of view.
Also, the D800E apparently isn’t truly AA filter free, it has a filter that works like two AA filters back to back that supposedly cancel each other out, which is unlikely to perform the same as a blank piece of glass.
Damn, that is a nice camera. I like the AA option. 3 new FF cameras and Sony 0. Soon 4 with 5Dmark3?
A99 maybe Oct(in stores)? Isn’t Sony still evaluating the A77 customers response? Jan 2013 realistically?
probably will still be gauging the response for a while. hard to do when it isn’t stocked at many places very long. hopefully production can kick it into high gear.
if you wait sony with a decent FF you can switch now for sure AHAHA 😀
I really love to see Sony’s sensor working Nikon’s engine. The result is awesome.
I’m thinking I might actually buy it.
A Nikon camera with a Sony sensor and at that price. It’s the best of two worlds in a sense.
When will it ship in the US?
Nice strategy from Sony side to sell this sensor to Nikon. Remember how some people have been bitching about 24MP sensors being too dense and that Nikon & Canon know better about cameras, etc.
Not only Sony makes some big $$$ selling the sensors to Nikon, this breaks the barrier and shuts the mouths of those fanboys. Now Nikon is leading Sony in higher mega pixels full frame. Nobody would complain anymore about 24MP being too high in A850, A900, A77, A65. We can point finger to Nikon D800. And when Sony come out with their own 36 MP full frame machine next year, nobody would have an excuse to bitch about this LOL.
No one ever needed an excuse to bitch. Perfection wouldn’t be perfect enough for some people.
“There is no official info about who made the sensor”
..and not only is there no official word who made it, but Nikon say they developed it, so it seems likely it isn’t Sony’s IP unless they have an agreement they have not made public ? Did I miss something ? Manufacturing something is not the same as designing or developing. So this is not Sony’s sensor; it’s Nikon’s, which is why it is in a Nikon body and not Sony. So this may never appear in a Sony cam. But if Sony can make 36MP sensors now, I’m sure they’ll bring out their own design in time. It’s just a question of when….
Nikon cannot make own sensors, so simple. They don’t have the facilities. It may be developed WITH some Nikon engineers but it is produced somewhere, with a high probality that this somewhre is a sony facility
Most semiconductor design groups are fabless these days. If Nikon engineers designed it and sent it off to a Sony owned foundry for production, that would make it a Nikon sensor. I suspect that isn’t the case in this instance, though.
It’s their usual reply and claim.
Notice the vertical resolution. Now compare that with the horizontal resolution of say, a 5N.
Nikon ALWAYS deny having Sony sensors in their dSLRs.
marketing tactic
The question is – does it have the ADC on the sensor or externally from the sensor. If internal, I guess it’s based on Sony IP. If external ADC – it’s not Sony IP. The D3/D700 and D3S have external ADCs, and they are not Sony sensors. D3X has internal ADC, and that is a Sony sensor.
Actually, this is the same thing that Nikon always said about Sony’s 24-mpx sensor in the D3x. I would be very surprised, however, if Sony were to wait a full year to reply to this camera with their own camer with the same sensor–unless they are convinc3ed that they can turn the tables this time and make it better.
All they really need is a “SONY INSIDE” logo. ^_^
Sony = Sh*t
Destra = w*nker
dave=sony
I guess he’s virgin
Now we know why NEX-7, A77, etc. is delayed. Sony had to free capacity in sensor production for NIKON after the floods. hahahaha
I Just SHIT MYSELF Laughing so hard about all the Fags that gave shit to the A77 for its 24 MP Sensor are now singing praises about how the 36 MP is so cool….
You should see a doctor about that.
You’re comparing apples and oranges: The Sony has 24MP on a smaller APS-C sensor only, so the Nikon has 1.5x more pixel on an almost 2.5x larger sensor. Their pixel can be a lot larger = better for lowlight = better for noise = better image (photo and video!). Just thinking “24MP in a Sony is bad, so 36MP in a Nikon have to be worse” is funny, but not realistic.
It’s a 2.25x larger sensor, not 2.5x.
Okay, I checked it again, and it’s 2.35x to be exact, but that doesn’t really matter. You get the point: A FF sensor with 36MP has a lot better pixel pitch than an APS-C sensor with 24MP, so simply looking at the numbers isn’t enough. That’s what I wanted to say.
Replace “better” with “larger”. Because whether it’s better is highly debatable.
It’s too bigga eat!
Overkill. Extra transferring time, processing time, memory cards and hard drive space is a big no no for me. I hope Sony will do it right with A99: 24mp, high no noise ISO, high burst rate, large buffer, priced at $2499. + 50mm Zeiss, 35mm Zeiss, 18mm Zeiss -fast primes. 70200 Zeiss 2.8 and SSM for 85Z. Can you hear me Sony? You have chops to beat the big boys ,but you need to work harder and faster.
Sony can bring you a pellicle sensor made of… paper 🙂 Sony is so crap…
pay peanut you get monkey 😀
Really?
WITH AA is 3000 quids
WITHOUT AA is 300 quids MORE?!!
ripofffffffff…….
/sarcasm
We’re paying for them to take that rubbish to the dump.
More like paying extra for a hamburger with “no onions”
😉
I like: “…whether shooting JPEG or RAW.”
Please Sony, put in some extra work on your jpeg engine. The a65 and a77 really need updates in this regard.
Hopefully a99 will not need an update since you’ll naturally make it right from the beginning after having evaluated the a77 response.
So you have to pay more to get less on the camera? I’d likely pay for no AA filter, but that just seems like a clever way to rip people off.
Clever way to rip people off, wouldn’t that describe the D3X?
LOL ….Yup $4000 for the sensor alone on the D3X is quite a rip off.
Sigma SD1 is rip off king though.
😉
@austin
digital rev have that answer for you. please read it and you will understand why it costs 300 more 😀
leica charge $1000 just to remove the red dot logo on m9p
With D800E you also got the enhanced raw converter with moiré remover. Software also costs money…
sry for less understanding of that stuff… but why is the camera without the AA-filter is more expensive than the cam with it? It is for sure more “pro”, you need to control the Moiré and what ever by yourself… but from the technological view it is not 300$ more complicated… or?
just saw the same question above… so it is relly just about the ripping people off^^
It is not that there is not a filter, but it is not a classical AA filter.
The filter is “different”, not non-existent.
I saw an explanation of it, but how it worked was over my head.
Just a plain sheet of glass with the same thickness and refractive index as the AA filter.
wonder what sony gains in releasing the 36mp 1 yr after nikon? since i dont think it will come in lower price than the A900 ($2700). So there is not too much costs savings versus the D800 at $3000.
So 1 yr to fix bugs. Maybe video?
But in press release wrote that sensor is “Nikon developed” – is it really Sony sensor – or they worked on it together?
Nikon always says that.
The sensor was made by SONY, based on Nikon’s own specification. I don’t what Nikon’s specification is.
They told the same about the sensor of D7000.
No they didn’t.
In the announcement it said “The D7000 includes a range of new features to ensure superior image quality including 16.2 effective megapixels with the newly developed Nikon DX format CMOS image sensor.”
Yes they did. Here’s another direct quote from the D7000 press release:
“A new DX-format CMOS image sensor and new image-processing engine, EXPEED 2, both developed by Nikon enable capture of high-definition images with superior image quality”
Developed by Nikon sao they said. Appeared first in the A55…. 😉
can sony just put this 36mp sensor in A77 body and come out with a FF first…?
I’m seriously think that there are some agreements between sony and nikon. Sony is taking their share either way even when nikon will sell d800.
Also DPReview says a new Nikon-developed sensor.
So?!
Exmor just isn’t as good as expeed (but it evolves every time). So not everything is about sensor only.
EXMOR is the sensor, EXPEED is Nikons image processing chip. Sonys equivalent of EXPEED is the BIONZ IC and I think we’ve yet to see just how good the latest version of that is in the A77 as by the sounds of it there are more firmware releases coming.
Lol, bionz, certanly. My fault. But so far nikon’s expeed is more advanced.
No probs 🙂 BTW we know that some of the image processing tech in Bionz comes from Aptina, it would be interesting to know if Nikon buy in theirs and if so from whom. I doubt we’ll ever get to know this though as Nikon are a bit tight-lipped about such things.
Which parts from the Bionz processing tech comes from Aptina if I may ask? You’re not thinking of Apical?
@Spoon
Lol, Stewe’s got me doing it now 🙂 you are indeed correct I meant Apical.
when launched sony 36mp ff will be around 250,000 yen in Jpn i guess
and after 4-6 months, price will drop to 220,000-230,000 yen
I like it!! I also like how hard Nikon engeneers worked on developing the sensor;)
Jay
is sony sensor… but if you would like to see same performance nikon engine – sony engine you can pray your gods ahah sony is good only making breakfast
LAGRANZI!!!! my buddy! – the name may have changed but the woeful grasp of english shines right through.
“sony engine you can pray your gods ahah sony is good only making breakfast” – ROFLMAO, go on, give us another 🙂 my sides are aching.
Every forum needs a Quasimodo.
If a99 will suck then this will be my next camera.
Im right there with you, I have used the A77 and I cannot get used to the evf! If the a99 has the same then I’m forced to jump ship. I pray and wish sony would just up date the a900 like Nikon did with the 800 keep the OVF or make two!
Come on Sony.. we really need *some* full frame information now
A release date. Basic specs. Hell, even just tell us whether it’s going to be a resolution camera or a high ISO camera.
Nikon have announced d4 and d800. Canon will have the 5d3 soon.
And Sony currently has no full frame cameras in production at all.
We really need some news
Em, isn’t admin told us before that there will be 3 ff sony’s cameras? 36mp, 24mp and nex-alike with ff sensor?
He did say that, but the details are still very sketchy.
We don’t even know the exact number of cameras. We don’t even know what year they will be released. Is the 24mp a99 coming in 2012? No idea what this “hybrid” is either.. nothing at all.
Also, I personally don’t believe in the 24mp camera. We heard about the 36mp version earlier, and now Nikon has 36mp. Until I hear more firm rumors, I will continue to think that the next Sony full frame will be 36mp.
EVERY time Sony upgrades camera range, they add megapixels. I cannot believe for one second that the a900 replacement will also be 24mp. That doens’t sound like Sony at all. I’ll be happy to be proven wrong, but for the meantime, I think the next FF camera will be 36mp.
And so far there is ZERO news at all.
Well i prefer to think that there will be sony’s high iso full frame 24mp vs 16mp on d4, a99 with 36mp vs 36mp on nikon d800 and nex ff.
Wow I’ve just downloaded a couple of the D800E jpegs off the Nikon site and I’m amazed by the resolution of these files. Download some and have a look for yourself.
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/sample02.htm
I look forward to seeing some samples from the production camera when it comes available in April, along with IQ comparisons with MFDB’s. I think you may well be hard pressed to tell the differences.
This camera raises the bar considerably and will be a favourite with landscape and studio photographers looking for the best IQ. I do think its criminal we Sony users will have to wait a year before this sensor makes its way into a Sony body!
I also visited their D800 site, saw the details, and downloaded sample pics. Gosshh, I have to admit that the sample pics are absolutely awesome.
D800 –> http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/sample01.htm
D800E –> http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/sample02.htm
I cannot wait to enjoy this sensor in Sony camera. Please Sony now !
Actually, I’m not impressed
Images from my a850 look better than these
To me, there is jpeg compression. Those jpegs are only 22-24mb. They should be more like 35mb.
Look at the library scene – the shelves are mushy-looking. And even in Nikon’s own comparison images, I can barely see the difference between the d800 and d800-E. The whole “no AA filter” idea is stupid. They’ve given a 100% crop, and it looks almost the same. In a 36mp image, it will be unnoticeable, but you will get moire, colour banding etc.
It’s a universal rule that all manufacturer sample pictures are greatly inferior to what a camera is capable of.
All ISO100/200 samples in good or studio light: you’d expect them to be perfect on any current camera.
There’s an ISO 640 sample.
Such brillant sample pics. I may get one too.
It will be a Nikon derivative of a Sony design, tweaked to Nikon’s specifications which will include things like IO to communicate with the EXPEED processor. Much like the sensor in the D7000 or K5 were devivatives of the a55/a580 and NEX-5n/C3 were derivatives of that design also. Nikon developed means just that – developed, not designed. But Nikon’s work in it might have something to do with the delays of FF with 36MP – Nikon may have an exclusive arrangement with Sony for a period of time.
Yeah I think so. There must be a long-term arrangement. In Japan, what we understand is that Nikon just designed the layout about what they need in their own sensor to Sony. (I don’t know whether it is called “tweak”.) That layout is basically a blueprint of specification from the manufacturing viewpoint. Then Sony started to assemble the sensor according to Nikon’s blueprint. I think this is Win-Win situation. Nikon makes use of Sony’s extertise in Sensor’s manufacturing and related Sensor technologies whereas Sony also got revenue and enjoy financial advantage from Nikon.
Hope Sony hurries up with their 36MP+ camera or I may jump ship.
If I didn’t have so much invested in glass, I would consider going A-WALL…
The new NikonD800 series looks like it will prove to be a fine photographic tool and matched up to arguably the finest or second finest assortment of lenses around I sure will be a big success for Nikon and the photographers lucky enough to own one.
This new camera is what I had at onetime believed Sony’s replacement of the a900 to technically resemble had Sony not decided to continue down the same path and move to the SLT architecture.
Next up……….Canon and its replacement for it 5D series and I can’t wait to see an objective comparison of images between the two.
After seeing that the NEX-7 produces sharper images across most settings than the a77 I also can’t wait to see how Sony’s plans to compete in the full frame market with it a99. Will it compete with the others image to image or compete by selling a full frame camera at a much lower price or hopefully both?
Nice resolution!
Nobody needs that many MP. Except, of course, those who need them. IMO the camera, with its asking price, is the acknowledgment that FF is increasingly a niche product and would remain there. So why not design a great niche camera?
I can’t imagine me using so many pixels. But I’m pretty sure the landscape people would enjoy the resolution. If cropping would be OK, also the BIF and wildlife people. I know too that retouching becomes much more easier once you have more pixels: the fashion shooters should like the excessive resolution too.
On that note, comments of medium format camera users would be interesting to hear. It definitely beats the Pentax 645D in the sensor department. And in the camera price department. And in the lens price department.
I Love change and progress, especially in technology. This is an awesome site for info and constructive criticism. Even appreciate the comments from those who want to stay in the “STONE-AGE”…
+1
Reminds me of those who loudly proclaimed:
Nobody needs more than 640k memory (Bill Gates)
Why would anyone need a hard drive bigger than 5MB?
The World Wide Web and hypertext transport protocol will never be widely used
As technology improves, and someone someday develops a sensor that resolves in the hundreds of MP and works in zero light (very high ISO) and maybe no longer requires optics to deliver the image we will hear the same “why would anyone EVER need that”.
Canon also and an announcement today; it announced a replacement for its 24-70/f2.8 that is weather sealed and two small looking wide primes. All of them full frame.
Sony, what’s up?
Our wonderful site administrator, rumored back in 2010 about a pending full-frame lens roadmap for 2011. That never happened, and the reason given was the whole list of terrible disasters that happened in Asia. Give me a break…………… although I agree that anyone of those events would have stopped production of lenses none of the events should have stopped the posting of the roadmap to the public just delayed the release of the lenses for some time.
I think its clear that Sony has yet to decided what it wants to do with the A-mount full-frame business and now the roadmap for lenses is rumored for this year
Question: would that be a lens roadmap for 2012 or for 2013?
I can’t wait to see Canons new $2,300 weather sealed 24-70/f2.8 and see how it performs with its new full-frame camera that was recently announced.
What would make me LOL is if the high ISO is the same/worse than the A77.
Full frame advantage says that won’t happen though
I know, but it would be funny to see the Nikon lot trying to defend it after criticising the A77. 😀
They would just use an extremely thin CFA to counteract the noise. As almost no one ever complains about poor colour response.
there’s a sample image on nikons site at ISO640 which is superbly clean. I know its hardly super high, but alot of cameras are beginning to show some degree of degradation at that point.
for 2200 usd, the 24-70, better be very, very, very, good.
mark I was not.
was better than zeiss indeed
absolutely not, you must be out of your mind. I had the 24-70L and Mark 2 before jumping to the A850 and Zeiss, the difference in sharpness and especially color/contrast is insane. I fucking hate the 24-70L now. THe only thing good about it IMO is the lens hood.
lol, holy shit – a raw file from the d800 is 75mb
That’s 105 pictures on an 8Gb card
Just think, if you get a bunch of old 128MB cards and shoot raw+jpeg it’ll be like Large Format photography – insert media, press shutter button, extract media, insert media…..:-)
This SAR post says that the Sony 36mp full frame will be announced in early 2012. It says that Nikon will be first, then Sony.
Is this still happening?
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-sony-ff-with-36-megapixel-sensor-coming-early-2012-nikon-d800-with-same-sensor/
+1
I can wait but would like news on the sony FF’s. I was thinking about getting to 70-400G lens, but will wait now. If I don’t hear anything in the next month from Sony or SAR, I might make the jump to the 800. Nikon’s engineers seem to take the same sensor and make it perform better in low light than Sony’s engineer can.
I cant understand why sony doesn’t want to get in front of this thing. Where are the new lens? When will we get any real information from sony on FF? Canon and Nikon are releasing 4 new FF cameras. Get your ass in gear sony!
I could not agree more. No news is bad news. I am looking for another boedy to go with my 850. I would like it to be another Sony body for obvious reasons (investment of glass). I really want to get the 70-400 but will wait to hear of any news on FF. Earlier we heard 2 new FF’s in 2012. Now one has been moved to 2013. Probably ran out of sensors sold to nikon. We have not heard a peep on the 24MP for some time. Like I said no news to me is bad news.
The more I find I have to wait lengthy periods to benefit from Sony tech that makes it to market much sooner via Nikon the more it incentivizes me to move to Nikon and ditch my Sony system.
Mind if I ask for a bit of help here?
My brother’s in a photography competition in his uni, and winners are based on amount of FB likes. If it’s not too much of a hassle for a couple of clicks away, I’d be very grateful to my fellow photogs.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=175331235903609&set=pu.165027063600693&type=1
would love to see a full frame sony sooner rather then later. 2013 is a long time between drinks
Bye, Bye Sony. NEX is nice but no FF. Alpha FF is quite unsure, and definitely behind a FF NEX. Lens line up is disappointing. No intentions to build a TS lens.
Just ordered a D800E.
Thats it. No more speculation when Sony will bring the new super camera. They won’t do. Look at the A77. The NEX 7 beats it.
Sony is not interested in the high end market. They want to sell a lot of consumer APS-C or point and shoot cameras. FF is second on their agenda. 2013?????
Fritz may be on the right path. However, I would buy a full frame Nex with some good Zeiss lenses. I will wait until Photokina 2012 before ordering a new body (Canon, Nikon or Sony Nex).
Ok Andrea, now that you stirred us up with the news of Nikon’s FF, how about some news on Sony’s next FF’s. Is Sony falling asleep on the FF front.
Its funny how everyone bashed the A77 for having 24 megapix but no one seems to care about Nikon’s 36