Jimmy Schaefer created his imaginary Full Frame GH5. I am talking the chance to ask you the following…
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No thanks. But metabones should do a speedbooster that makes the most of full frame on a m4/3
They do, they have a special BMPCC Speed Booster with a 0.58x , almost 0.5x times
making m43 a 1.1x crop factor
problem: the booster sits very close to the sensor, so it blocks the shutter,
if (by accident) the shutter got activated it probably would distroy itself
Yeah. So they should do that speed booster but support the m4/3 sensor size officially
I think if they could, they would already have done that. Space is a issue. they cant fit 0.5x optics in a package for GH4 and others.
Maybe a version of the speed booster that electronically instructs the camera not to close the shutter in any circumstance, so you could use it in bodies other than the BMPCC.
Full frame no thanks, but Super 35mm would be great. Just hope that m43 glass would cover that area. JVC already has the GY-LS300 that uses an m43 mount with an s35 size sensor. Its essentially wider than a 4/3 (23.6 vs 17.3mm) and with the same height (13.3mm).
Yup, go for variable S35 sensor. Or a multi aspect sensor like the GH2 was cool too!
pany build super 35mm on varicam 35 ,do you know ?
they use PL mount that i don’t know how many lens support.
new format on 4/3 was impossible.
not impossible, JVC- LS300
Yes Super 35 sensor would be fantastic. Look at the JVC- LS300. The JVC has a Super 35 sensor with a M43 mount on it. it has a feature called Variable Scan Mapping. M43 wouldn’t cover the whole S35 sensor but if they did something like what JVC is doing, that would be awesome…
Please get over this full frame BS admin! If you want FF, start another site for it and hand this one over to someone who appreciates the advantages of 4/3rds.
I think these posts are only a bait for us to generate more clicks…and it seems to work! Is he dishonest or are we morons?
Nah, a m43 mount cant have a ff sensor. wont fit, meaning there needs to be a different mount to cover such a sensor. Nobody wants to wait again for a whole set of “Big four thirds” glas to be available. Even sony has just a few FF lenses for their FE-mount
Take a look at the JVC GY-LS300, i wouldn’t want a FF sensor but a s35 would be nice, that way i can use my NIkkor and canon glass and cover the entire sensor.
if they could make a series of below f1 primes and below f1.8 zooms they wouldn’t need to go full frame
It still not good enough no matter how fast lenses you are holding if there is no breakthrough in sensor tech .
ISO performance need to go up 2 stops & DR to 14++ ELV in order to stay relevant in the current market competition .
I can tell from your answer, you’ve never driven a car in Europe, have you?
What to do with driving a car in this topic ?
m43 sensor need a jump to close the gap with the rest .
Because driving a Ferrari Ferrari to it’s fullest, which isn’t even closely related to having a Ferrari, doesn’t make 99% of the cars circulating in Europe irrelevant. That is what you are implying
m43 sensors are not behind APS-C sensors and the gap to FF is getting less and less relevant each day that passes…
If you are limited by DR or PSNR (those two magical 2EV stops that you claim to need) and can’t operate your camera satisfactorly then there are a lot of things you are doing wrong and that you will keep doing wrong even if you have a FF sensor in your camera body.
Next stop you will be saying that all smartphones making photography these days are also irrelevant because they need to go up 4EV stops and gain more 4EVs of DR…
Yun, if modern sensors are operating at 50% efficiency then 100% efficiency will only give you another stop of DR. They may be able to introduce a few tricks that might improve that a little bit but really if you need significantly more DR you’re going to have to go to another system.
What you thhink m43 needs might not be what the laws of physics dictate.
I still can recall some readers here in this forum have pull out from this forum due to disappointment over m43’s development .
If this is the case ( little improvements ) , I afraid I have to go too .
Maybe X Pro or a7R is more suitable for me .
Let’s wait & see how things turn out .
As we’ve seen from Sony, FF negates the size benefit of mirrorless.
Just because mirrorless can be small, doesn’t mean it has to be. There are other benefits.
That’s what I like about m4/3: You can either go big and use the pro lenses or small using pancakes or panasonic zooms.
So tired of the years’ worth of comments about m43 FF, admin. Would you let it go and quit encouraging with these posts?
Agreed. Also, this post in general is absolutely worthless; obviously it’s a slow news day for 43rumors
Neither Pana nor Oly should go full frame but stick to m4/3 and improve the system instead. For example longer battery life, better video performance (Oly), more pancake style lenses, weathersealing, improved user interface, 4k implementation (Oly), improved peaking (Oly) etc. Make the system perfect first.
If Pana/Oly wanna go big, then they should go all the way and aim for the medium format market. Imagine a medium format camera using Oly’s sensor shift tech resulting in a picture beyond 200 Mpixel. That’s gonna be a dream come true for y’all pixel peeper. This is just my opinion by the way 🙂
Panasonic, no FF, but improve your M4/3 sensor and:
* New one with greater DR (6-7 DR for 3200-6400iso)
* 20MP without AA filter
* Clean 3200 iso
* High Resolution Mode with IBIS improvement (for landscapes)
* Bigger EVF with 4/3 frame (Panas GX-8)
* More f/1.4 primes (f/1.2 = too large lens, f/1.7 = too deep DOF)
Bring best you can for your top cams (GH-5, GX-8) to compete with APS-C mirrorless (Fuji X-Pro2, Sony A7000)
Yes , improve the current sensor to 2 stops improvement or more would delight
everyone here .
Clear & Clean imaging at ISO 6400 .
yep that’d do for me (don’t know if it’s currently or imminently possible though!)
That, plus keep improving the C-AF modes. Also don’t waste R&D budget on an un-necessary camera when there are STILL no decent native long (not the 40-150 2.8 Oly: that’s not long) lenses…..
Why not ask for 4 stops?
Have you seen the G70’s results @ ISO6400?
Please give me an example of a picture you took that you couldn’t use because you didn’t go beyond using ISO1600…or one at ISO6400 that you couldn’t use because the IQ was too low.
4 stops sound too much & not reasonable at this moment of pana tech .
What is G70 btw ?
I assume is G7 but I don’t care about it cause it share the same sensor as my GX7 .
I don’t have photos you mean ( couldn’t use ) , all my photos are visible according to different ISO .
I meant G7 as you have correctly guessed.
A 2 stops gain these days is as unreasonable as 4 stops. The right word isn’t even unreasonable, but IMPOSSIBLE. In the last 4 years the gain in technology was about 1EV stop and we have been near the limits for already some time as camera sensors are already hitting ~50% quantum efficiency. If by any chance a manufacturer ever develops a 100% efficient sensor, what you’ll gain will never be more than 1EV advantage over what you have today.
So what I mean is: don’t ask for it, because it’s simply not possible.
No .
It’s possible with the link below , it’s matter of time .
http://petapixel.com/2013/06/11/fuji-and-panasonics-new-organic-sensor-boasts-insane-14-6-stops-dynamic-range/
Otherwise I can’t see m43 can continuously survive within 5 years time .
Deliver that 88 dbs sensor is what Pana need to do .
It should well rewarded than turn to FF option here .
No!! Better low light performance can be welcome, but that can be fixed with faster lenses on the same mount also. For video it isn’t a big problem at all(yeah, with Sony A7s you can film in the dark with a F4 lens, but in 99.9% of the situations for real film making, this is not needed), as there are a lot of fast(f0.95) manual focus lenses. m43 is excellent as it is. Lots of good lenses, also for video.
Just bring us some AF F1.0 of F1.2 primes(so the shallow DoF fanatics have noting to wine about anymore) for stills, and keep improving on sensor IQ. As far as usability, versatility and compactness(if needed) m43 already trumps everything else.
Of course there are cases when a full frame camera will do a better job, but there will never be one camera to rule them all.
why become mediocre and join the “me too” crowd? Panasonic excels because of the M43 format. Diversifying to FF could mean diluting the effort on M43. If one wants FF there are enough options…
With Canon mount?
LOL
Definitely no to full frame, however oversized multi aspect sensor absolutely yes, a must even! JVC managed to put 1.5x APS-C in m43 mount with no issues. GH2 also had multi aspect. Anyway the crop factor for 4K shouldn’t be any bigger than 2x.
The GH5 would sell incredibly well if it had an APS-C sensor able to support both multi-aspect 4/3 modes and full sensor read out. Add a Metabones SB and you would have FF angle of view +1 additional stop of light (just like the E-mount version). Best of both worlds really, especially considering the fact neither Panny or Olympus will never make FF lenses.
It would be interesting to see a Panasonic GH with the Sony 12MP FF sensor and 4K video…
Best idea all day, since Sony seems determined never to put the sensor in adequate housing.
There is no point going 135 format.
They should just skip to 6×4.5 or 6×6.
Size difference is not that big, but gain is a gain, if the frame size is what you are after.
Alternatively, it would have been an interesting R&D exercise to develop 8×10 large format digital camera. (There is even a precedent: http://aphotoeditor.com/2011/08/23/mitchell-feinbergs-8×10-digital-capture-back/ )
Exactly! If there would come new mount, it should be then 6×7!
That would throw everyone else out of balance (even PhaseOne etc) and in to the panic!
it would rock!
No, no and no.
Super-4/3 is an interesting thought, but impractical. You don’t want to end up with low quality lenses because they would have to be huge to resolve that large sensor. Low end glass would be bad.
Many of the higher-end M43 lenes more than cover the sensor, and could even cover an APS-C with imperceptible light falloff in the corners. I often find myself adding vignette in post because it adds to the photo. Also, allowing of multi-aspect selection is a worthwhile feature in it’s own right.
Full frame GH? No.
Full frame Trip 35 digital? Yes. With 5-axis IBIS, plastic outer shell, EVF, built-in flash for the tourists, and a $1,499 price to put an end to RX1 and X100T sales.
Then Panasonic can roll in with its own FF LC1 successor, just in time to fight the Fujifilm FF X100 model we all know is coming, as well as the RX2.
Personally, I prefer an ILC but the right fixed-lens snapshot camera could tempt me. It would have to be under $2K and significantly different than any of the m4/3 kit I have, and a FF sensor would do that, despite the heresy.
Because we are all such desperate fanboys that Oly and Panny have to release a ‘better’ camera than the X100T and RX1?
No to a different lens mount.
Yes to a bigger sensor. At least oversized multi aspect m43.
Yes Please, or at least APSC… Think about it Panasonic, Make a larger sensor to rid Panasonic of it’s only handicap, LOW LIGHT! Make larger sensor then apply the multi-aspect sensor features. Create an adapter to use m4/3 lenses on a larger lens mount. When using m4/3 lenses, have the ability to just crop to m4/3 format so we can all use our current m4/3’s lenses. DO IT!!! 🙂
Could be interesting indeed….
Instead of going bass-ackwards to larger heavier housing they should really focus a load of RND into making a higher resolution, higher dynamic range, lower ISO noise M43 sensor, with all the bells and whistles like global shutter, Foveon-like sampling, etc etc bla bla. 🙂 I’m sure all of the guys here who say they wouldn’t want/don’t need more than 16 megapixels, are just concerned that their current camera will suddenly become “the old one”. But hey – it’s gonna happen one way or the other. I just doubt it will include a larger sensor
You beat Nostradamus.
Sony A7’s are smaller than the current GH4, it can be done.
GM5 is smaller than A7’s.
Each Format has a minimum Size but depending on the needs (handling, cooling, battery life, …) you might build different cameras with different sizes.
And the RX1 isn’t much bigger than a GM5. Nor is a rollei 35.
I would already have a full frame cam, had I wanted one. I use MFT so I can carry them around.
I would welcome a full frame sensor from panasonic but it would make a mess for existing user base.
The current m43 lenses would be uselles on a 35mm sensor, so that would upset a lot of people if GH5 gets to have a 35mm sensor.
On the other hand, exotic discoveries like 88db DR and miraculous ISO performance on a little m43 sensor will remain a fantasy, only thing i see working is stil big sensor.
What a bunch of immature crybabys. The market is changing drastically. If Panasonic would ever feel the need to make a product they feel can improve their camera division then so be it. Get over it. It won’t invalidate your camera choice.
No news day…
Then create your own .
Share with us .
We would happy to hear from you .
So you’re implying that you enjoy these “slow” posts. And I bet Jeff and many other could come up with better made-up news than this.
If we are going to yap about vaporware, how about 30mm x 45mm S-mount instead ?
…Panasonic has got a relationship with Leica after all…
In my opinion APS-C (aka super 35mm field of view equivalent) is the sweet spot for a true hybrid photo/video camera.
Not sure why you think that as the system size is really not very far off from full frame. Look at Fuji and compare it with a comparable Nikon or Canon. Once you get over the body size difference and start adding lenses, the size difference all but vanishes.
I don’t care so much about size and weight, I use Panasonic cameras because they have the best video implementation, m4/3 is OK but personally I love the APSC format.
The m4/3 is the best “hybrid photo/video camera” (and you said so as well) and yet you want APS-C?
Actually in m4/3 system, Panasonic makes the best photo/video hybrids cameras and the sensor size has nothing to do with it.
And, what’s your point?
This tread was about an imaginary Panasonic FF camera, in the same manner I stated my preferences about a super 35mm camera. 🙂
JVS made a terrific job with the new GY-LS300, I bet Panasonic can do something similar and keep the lens mount but add a super 35mm sensor and lenses for a terrific combination of a pro photo/video system.
Probably Panasonic is already considering this, who knows. 🙂
I agree .
APSC format is ideal format in digital photography but
M43 format is not far from behind .
It just need further improvements in ISO & DR to make it more appeal
in digital photography world especially in PRO standard .
I’m thinking the new Leica fixed lens camera with 28mm f/1.7 lens is actually Panasonic’s prototype, a bit like the Sony RX1. I wouldn’t be surprised if Panasonic/Leica come up with a Sony A7 competitor in the next years.
the numeral 5 is bit condensed, should be more of a extended :-/
Not full-frame, m43 with included variable “speed booster” to achieve either APS-C or FF equivalency, the variable part is a plus, even a fixed version that you can turn off would be marvelous.
Only if it has 64 megapixels. And it would be a Lummox, not a Lumix.
[x] I don’t care.
I would think, though, that developing and funding a completely new system, which a full-frame GH5 would make necessary, would substantially draw funds from further development of the existing system, making it not too a good an idea.
Who ever gets orgasms with these “Full Frame” illusions should go and buy dying DSLR and then shoot themselves on the foot and be happy!
nope. but a multi-aspect sensor like the GH2 had would be great.
i got an heart attack when i saw GH5 FF. Admin, you are not very funny to play with my heart 😀
FF is the only option if Pana still can make further breakthrough in it’s sensor tech
dept . We can’t stay in a same imaging league by years , things need to move on .
Don’t be scare , welcome & face it .
You realize this statement makes literally no sense.
Would like to see the next generation of so-called “Pro” m43 cameras with a 12mp sensor, downsizing the pixel density as we all know it would improve DR and Noise Sensitivity of the m43 sensor. If you had the rumoured hand-held pixel shift system that can make a 24mp or even a 30mp picture, you have a killer camera!
you are writing about Sony A7S II not panasonic GH5
An m43 take on the a7s is the most reasonable way to go. Best way to get the most out of a tiny sensor.
sorry @admin ,this article look nonsense,it will be good,
if you post leak info about GX8 or EM1 successor.
This is really funny.
Smarthpone killed the compact camera star. APSC market is being eroded at full speed. FF is officially a niche.
So what is the cry out? “WE WANT FULL FRAME!!! WE CAN’T LIVE WITHOUT IT”
Since you are so strongly convinced about this, I suggest you create a Kickstart FF Camera project and let it run for 1 year.
I promise I’ll throw you a penny if you promise to engrave “Can’t be bothered.” on your first prototype…
APS-C eroding?
HA.
If anything is eroding, it’s M43. It’s marketshare is steadily decreasing and in the states, it’s easily losing to Fujifilm, Sony and even Samsung.
FF is niche? You laughable. FF is still outselling M43 by a good margin, even though they had less sales than the previous year.
Seriously, your comment makes zero sense.
No.
What a turd…..why post here dipschit if you hate M4/3??????
I think FF is a stable niche. Some people need the extra resolution and it is a much cheaper and more usable alternative to MF. But I think ASPC will be the real niche player. Fujis excellent offerings will keep it alive, but other than that, as the market matures, Sony, Nikon, and Canon will likely move toward FF to differentiate their cameras from Fuji and M43. There just isn’t enough substantive difference between m43 and ASPC at this point. It made sense years ago, not so much now. Now, if you need more than m43 or other CSC, you have to jump all the way to full frame to see much of a difference.
Running low on click bait?
Panasonic needs and I mean NEEDS to go APS-C.
Let’s be real here, the M43 sensor has hit the ceiling 2 years ago. It’s done. Giving newer cameras a better processor is not working.
It’s time for Panasonic to move on, if they are to be a Major player in mirriorless. The GH and GX series would benefit GREATLY if they had APS-C sensors!
Sure, it’s a new mount, and M43 mostly have most lenses taken care of. They can keep the G and GM series M43. But move on…. Go APS-C before it’s too late.
Aps-c is pointless, it’s just fraction bigger than m43 and benefits are too litle to make it reasonable. Panasonic must keep m43 for enthusiasts who search for compactness and then as a separate line they could go for ultimate quality with medium format for professionals. Full frame market are already taken by canikon with very well established hardcore fanboy base.
nope….next
No M43 does not need to go FF. We already have Sony with a smaller and much better FF A7 series. The A7 is in so many ways better. The same for APSC Fuji, Samsung and Sony. M43 needs to focus on there prices if they want to survive. They are playing in APSC and FF territory and thats going to be a dead end for M43. They should sell under 400. Everything above that price smart people are going to buy APSC or FF.
Sony’s FE bodies are crap. A7II is still behind in terms of build quality, AF and overall feature set. No doubt Olympus is still quite a bit ahead. 400 dollar bodies and we’ll end up with junk like the A6000. No thanks.
This is an insane comment.
I’m insane.
Actually, it’s more important that I stay ahead of technology I can afford vs. taking more photos.
I would prefer super4/3 size. Means 4:3 bigger than FF sensor with ability to crop to FF.
Or maybe 1:1 (36×36) with ability to crop to anything desirable (or not crop at all).
Actually, any mirrorless with that sensor would be desirable.
I’d rather have an organic 4/3 sensor. Or a medium format GX. 🙂
What about the Panasonic Full frame fixed lens version of the Leica Q. Surely that is coming soon. http://lavidaleica.com/content/leica-q-type-116-coming-next-month
A post like this means the admin so far has nothing to write about. Kudos for keeping the site alive, it’s a tough job to run a rumours website
…yet lots of people send him articles and wait weeks to get them published here….pathetic
The prominent benefit of MFT is compact lenses. I’d rather have improvements made to the 4/3 sensors.
what if they released an 8/3rds camera!
the sensor would be the same height but twice the width.
the center 4:3 crop of the sensor would be covered by m43 lenses in “normal” mode
and the full super wide screen/panorama would be covered by adapted full frame lenses as well as special “wide” branded lumix cine lenses.
it’d be a great niche camera for the panorama stills crowd as well as the cinema crowd.
Only in case with global shutter, otherwise there’s no point really…
I’d love one. I’m waiting for the Sony A7rII. I really don’t like Sony and their lenses. But no one will try to compete with a FF Mirorless.
I see no reason why a 35 mm digital camera should need to be any bigger than the m43 cameras.
The fully mechanical Olympus OM-1 with mirror, pentaprism etc. was about the same size as the all electronic digital OM-D E-M5. To make a 35 mm GH5 you need a bigger sensor. No need to increase the size of everything else.
One sees a repeating theme of wanting Olympus and Panasonic to go to larger cameras with FF sensors. Larger cameras and a new lens mount would mean heaver and likely more expensive cameras, the wait time to introduce yet another line of lenses and accessories, etc. All of the effort to go from FT to mFT would be cast aside. I don’t think Olympus has enough resources to put major efforts into simultaneous mFT and a FF line. Remember it wasn’t all that long ago that Olympus almost went under with their financial mismanagement fiasco.
Get fuqued
S35, JVC has already done it with m43, and crop mode for lenses that won’t cover it. Global shutter would be nice too.
I am glad that its admin who posted this. If someone else posts similar things in the comment section, it will be deleted by Mr. Moderator. 43rumors admin, I hope you can take care of here instead of Mr. Moderator. Thank you.
If by ‘someone else’ you mean the Sony troll that had it explained to them that this isn’t SAR and chose to ignore it, then yes. You’re exactly right.
Wow, how did he create that advanced mockup – resize Image…..
look closer, plenty of subtle modifications. decent enough photo manipulation.