Over at MirrorlessRumors I posted a new rumor about the new Leica mirrorless system launch on April 24.. The reason why this could be interesting for us MFT camera owner is that Panasonic will produce camera and zoom lenses for Leica! Obviously the design and logo will be from Leica. But it will be interesting to see if one day Panasonic will join the system with their own Panasonic branded camera. We don’t know yet for sure if this will be an APS-C or FF sensor system. All I know is that it is certainly not a MFT camera 🙁
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“But it will be interesting to see if one day Panasonic will join the system.” Leica, not Panasonic right?
I think Admin meant if Pana will one day join new Leica system with body…as they will now do only lenses
And that interesting to m4/3 user why?
due to fact that pana is now m43 so if pana join new leica apsc system it will be mostlikely end of their m43 session (in mid term horizont)…and m43 without pana would be not the same like oly-pana …and I would say much weak competitor to the rest of csc market
Dan at Theme writes that it will have an APS-C sensor, with a crop factor of 1.5 (instead of the 1.33 of M8). He usually is right when talking about new Leica models. So no FF.
Lenses will be bigger than M mount lenses.
And we should not expect clean high ISO performances (I believe he was thinking about MM and M240 performance).
EVF should again be a rebranded accessory.
Panasonic will build cameras and zooms while leica will “offer” primes.
Personally I’m curious to see it (kit price between 3k and 4k), but given the last big L cameras, I’m not holding my breath.
http://www.the.me/at-last-a-mini-m-leicas-new-mirrorless-system-camera-the-leica-t-to-be-unveiled-on-april-24/#disqus_thread
Yes, I wonder why people think of FF. I expect a X-vario ILC, at best with a built in EVF.
This way they don’t spoil their M line. Now if their next M had a new mount for AF lenses, that would be an earthquake 🙂
Perhaps at Photokina?
The trouble is that AF and sensors make cameras obsolesce, so it’s difficult to pay so much money for a thing that gets old fast. That a problem for a Rolls Royce of cameras.
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If this does come with a new mount, how many mounts will that mean Leica have on the go, it is quite difficult to keep up with them unless you are a Leicaphile.
That would be 3.
But in Leica Rumors, they have a quote from previous interview (IINM, 43rumors and MirrorlessRumors quoted it too when it’s still the breaking news). Leica’s representative said the camera will be built in Germany.
So Panasonic will just supply the AF lenses, or zoom AF lenses if Leica can cheapen the price while keeping profit for homemade primes with AF.
Unless Panasonic have factory in Germany.
Nope, camera will be made by Panasonic!
The CEO of Leica has stated in more than one interview that the camera will be built in Germany, what that means precisely might be up for debate. The components, particularly electronics and sensor, may well be supplied by Panasonic. But this is nothing new, the internals for the M cameras are produced in Portugal.
In either case, this new platform might be open to Panasonic at some point and it would give them a way to move to larger sensor. I hope its bigger than APS-C, but don’t really expect that.
Its not me saying Panasonic will do the cameras but Globalpost: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/kyodo-news-international/131016/panasonic-mulling-providing-leica-high-end-digital-cam
“Panasonic will supply Leica with mirrorless and interchangeable mount cameras with retail prices of around 200,000 yen”
It doesn’t appear that there is actually a sorce on that article. I would imagine that the CEO of Leica knows where the next Leica camera will be produced.
Made in Germany doesn’t necessarily mean that all the camera parts are made in Germany : Panasonic could make most of the camera and Leica could just the final assembling in Germany, aka they put the parts together and add a nice Leica branded shale around it. Same occurs for cars, computers etc.
http://www.thelocal.de/20120116/40137
Yep, you could be right. Assembly in Germany.
Yes, assembly in Germany definitely makes sense. I could 100% see that being the case. If the partner is Panasonic, it will be interesting to see what they do with all of this APS-C gear they’ll be making.
to my knowledge Japan is more expensive country then Germany
…so why to produce at Japan and import to Germany and “prettend” it is Made in Germany
I hope the new camera will have the GX7 style EVF.
Looks like I need to hold all my m4/3 stuffs purchase & wait for this one .
Hopefully this is the camera to compete against X Pro line .
It would only make sense if it is FF system with native M compatibility (just add electronic interface to M mount).
If it is just another APS-C mount, it is useless.
Whatever Leica releases, it would be expensive and of relatively little impact on the rest of the mirrorless.
“But it will be interesting to see if one day Panasonic will join the system […]”
IMO they are already part of the system by the virtue of being the manufacturer.
I think they’re target is Fuji and Sony in the APS-C range.
The Nex/Alpha line and Fuji series is doing well in the states, and Fuji with its retro styling is taking a page out of Leica’s play book. They don’t want Fuji giving photogs a cheaper alternative than them.
Anyways, we don’t have much longer to wait.
Off course no M43 size sensor. At the moment M43 is the worst comprise. Leica and Pana now this. Its just a matter of time before Oly leaves this M43 sinking ship and goes APSC or FF.
Jeez, Seizure why aren’t you out shooting photos with your fabulous FF kit?
If I had all the wondrous gear that you’re always spouting off about, that’s what I’d be doing… not repeating the same inane bullshit to an “audience” that simply DOES NOT CARE about your opinion.
He’s too busy trying to fix his light leaks on his A6000 right now to answer you.
yeah…yeah…he had to send his Nikon in for the recall of oil drops on his sensor.
(not that there is anything wrong with FF cameras….I have a great one but still think that MFT rocks!).
Does it make you feel superior to browse a m4/3 site when you know you’re so much better than all the other readers?
??
Don’t be a jambek
If your question marks are a serious inquiry, my comment is in regard to the fact that you intentionally comment on a site about Micro 4/3, to do nothing but slam Micro 4/3. It’s the worst kind of tacky.
I own a 4/3 camera, it’s a beautiful compliment to my Nikons (one is FF, and one is APS-C). The size that you get from the camera/lens combos in m4/3 is to my taste, the BEST compromise in the world of mirrorless. If it’s not to your liking that’s fine, but troll elswhere. Some of us like this system.
Chris, does it frustrate you? 😉
If you want a different size sensor, cant you just buy a different system? you don’t make sense to me.
Would it come with exotic wood grips? LOL!!
You are confusing this with the upcoming Olympus/Hasselblad camera system, with exotic wood sensor.
The inside of Viezevure’s head is made of wood…….
It’s a bit odd that they don’t join the MFT group with this release. After all, there are already Leica-branded MFT lenses. Is there a chance that the sensor will be in the MFT region but with the classic 3:2 (rather than 4:3) ratio? The lenses would work (right?) and it would technically not be a MFT system.
Leica are already members of the group, and they have been since the Four Thirds days, when they released the Digilux 3 DSLR, a version of Panasonic’s L1. But they have repeatedly said that they won’t release a MFT camera. A camera with the MFT mount, regardless of sensor size, would be part of the MFT system. A camera with another mount would not be part of that system, even if the sensor size was in the same region.
So maybe a system built around a 3:2 ratio sensor that could use the current Leica-branded MFT lens designs but by means of a new non-MFT mount? That would make it possible for Leica to use lots of (very good) components that already exist while maintaining that they are not releasing a MFT camera.
What on earth would Leica gain by giving legitimacy to mft, a struggling format? Any benefit would be to the format, but not to Leica.
Leica wants to sink or swim on its own, and it must do so to protect its brand.
This whole Leica/Panny ILC thing is interesting. I personally do not think that it will be FF, or APS-C. Leica has a history of rebranding existing Panasonic products in this relationship…Panasonic does not make FF or APS-C cameras….( I cannot see them taking that on in this market)…and Admin thinks that that it will not be MFT. So…what does that leave?
Something smaller? Can’t guess….but I would say a rebranded MFT camera?…nothing else makes any sense…but I guess if Admin is sure than it will be like a Nikon J camera….but that sounds too silly. At least it will be entertaining…because I will not be buying one!
Its entirely possible that Leica outsources some electrical elements of the camera to Panasonic (or whoever), perhaps even the sensor. But this camera will be “Made in Germany” and so its distinctly different from the rebranding efforts seen with the compacts (where country of origin is absent from marketing material).
Panasonic may well just be an OEM supplier in this case and nothing more comes of it.
I did not realize that the cameras will definitely be manufactured in Germany….this gets more interesting (and more expensive), by the minute!
But Germany turned into a low wage country…
Maybe ‘Made in Germany’ will be the new ‘Made in China’ at some point 😉
If it’s a APS-C camera, this may be Panasonic’s way out of M43. Or at the very least just another venue for profit.
PANASONIC doesn’t need a way out of m43…you do though. Here’s the process:
(1) Sell your m43 camera
(2) Buy whatever you want
(3) Don’t look back
(4) STAY AWAY FROM THIS FORUM!
Hopefully the door knocks you back under the bridge on the way out…
SOMEone’s upset. Hahaha!
Don’t be so tight, your camera will still work, whether or not Panasonic steps up to a larger sensor and new mount.
And I’m still going to use Panasonic M43 for video… no need to be frustrated. Haha!
would be lol if leica comes with its own hybrid photo/video mirrorless.
I’m interested what kind of camera it is and what the retail price will be. If it ill enter the APS-C segment with competetive priced in the Sony & Fuji range what’s the reason to buy a Sony or Fuji when you can buy a Leica fot the same amount? But I think it will get Leica pricing to keep up the exclusivity of the Leica brand.
Great to see you get it SO DAMN WRONG!!!! Reputable sources state that the camera and lenses are being built in Deutchland and it will be APS-C.
Deutchland not even word. Cite sources of your superior information.
If it’s APS-C, I can’t imagine Panasonic making their own self-branded cameras for it. There’s just not a big enough difference between MFT and APS-C to justify a whole new product line.
There is a world of difference between APSC and M43 in picture quality….Also the price of M43 is to high for what you get. There is indeed not much diffrence in seize and weight. But please get real.
There is also a world of difference between useful comments and the dribble that you exhortate……
Endless sensor size arguments are pointless. There is no best sensor size/format. To each his own.
All formats are valid and offer differing advantages. All current sensors will over-fill any computer or TV screen.
In the current age of picture taking, wherein cell-phone photos & videos are now the predominant means of sharing imagery, users of “real” cameras are less relevant. While camera buffs argue, cell-phone users are taking more photos, having more fun, and relating better to their fellow man.
Like snarling dogs fighting, we could become a nuisance to the future of photography rather than the anointed luminaries we envision ourselves to be.
http://cloud.lomography.com/570/755/ab/d3cee0a522395619fb7b6cfbd11813f8c72651.jpg
We might as well say there’s not a big enough difference between Nikon 1 and mickey four three.
Oh, I forgot. Mickey four three, being a larger format, is vastly superior to 1″ camera and compacts. On the other hand, despite APS and FF being larger formats, mickey is as good as they are.
Right, when it comes to 4/3, sensor size superiority only goes one way.
+1
I love it when people’s desire to denigrate something, anything, just shows so clearly by the non-sensicalness of their statements.
There is no manufacturer that sells two lens lines that are less than one ‘stop’ (square root of two in terms of image circle) apart. It just doesn’t make sense to develop two product portfolios that are too close together in capabilities. Canon had a 1.2x sensor but not a separate lens line. ‘645’ MF has different sensor sizes but with the exception of a lens or two not different lens lines. That argument has nothing to do which sensor size one considers large enough.
But then, what should one expect from somebody who cannot even make a point without using demeaning language like ‘Mickey four three’.
To bad it is not going to be m43.
Its not like Leica only makes (brands) FF stuff.
I am afraid it’s gonna be big if’t gonna be APS-S great built fast lenses, AF, OIS etc…
But we’ll see. The latest pana rebrand done by Audi design actually looks great. Especially cause its got good designed accessories.
I have looked into this more on the web and found this article:
http://leicarumors.com/2013/11/21/leica-t-701-camera-without-a-rangefinder-coming-soon.aspx
That pretty much guarantees a larger than MFT sensor…right out of Leica’s CEO’s mouth.
But this article here states that the camera bodies will be made in Japan with Leica making prime (AF?) lenses for the system only….. so how is that going to be a “German-Built” camera?
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/aps-c-leica-t-type-701-to-be-announced-in-april