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The first announcement of the year is made by Samsung (with the NX30). It’s not really a spectacular camera btu it has one new literally “eye catching” feature: The EVF can be titled and pulled(!) for the comfort of your eyes. You tell me if such a “pulling” EVF would be nice to have on a MFT camera!
P.S.: “Our” Panasonic GX7 can tilt the EVF and not pull it.
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I can see this proving very useful for those shooting with their left eye. It keeps their noses from activating or smearing the touch screen.
>You tell me if such a “pulling” EVF would be nice to have on a MFT camera!
My wife uses the left eye and would love such a solution. Otherwise the nose is always on the screen.
Wouldn’t it be convenient if we could just pluck our eye out on a stalk to save all these camera design challenges. 😉 D)
Forget the evf, that 16-50 f2.0-2.8 looks tasty !
for me it just looks large and heavy at 650 grams
+1
What a lens! I’d like to see something like that for m4/3.
We have the Panasonic 12-35 f/2.8 and the Olympus 12-40 f/2.8
Those don’t start at F2.
No they don’t. It would make them to heavy. The 16-50 f2-f2.8 is 622g. The Panasonic 305g and the Olympus 382g. The Samsung is also much larger.
The Oly 14-35 f/2.0 is bigger and heavier than all of these and the Samsung is aps-c too. f/2.0 in a 24-70eq zoom is a big deal, even if it goes f/2-2.8. It seems Samsung have done a good job with the lens. Shame the fanboys can’t see it.
Fanboys? Raving about a lens without knowing how it performs optically….. talking about fanboys…
It is the first of their premium lenses so the big question is price vs optical performance. Still, looks like it could be a killer lens.
lol microslav, Olympus and Panny try so hard to keep size and weight down for m43, and yet…
looks gimmicky and prone to breaking, for me it’s enough the LCD is articulated
I have a 13-year old RCA MiniDV that has this feature.
Sam who? 🙂
Yes, f2-f2.8 and the same style Panasonic lens as the panny 12-32 with power zoom as a small option.
Looks like Samsung is taking it up a notch but in all honesty despite Samsung releasing some interesting products in the camera industry I’m yet to shake off the impression I have of them which is fridges, washing mashines, tv’s and android tablets and phones the size of surf boards.
In time they’ll reach a point when I’ll see them differently and it will most likely happen because that’s where Sony and Panasonic were too and now their products inspire photography like the gx7, gm1 and Rx1.
After all that time and effort Panasonic and Sony earned their respect in the photography world because many of their cameras aren’t just little computer gadgets fused with lenses and VF’s operated by an android OS but cameras with the photographer in mind, often the result is a camera that embodies a harmony of tradition, ergonomics, aesthetics and cutting edge tech and not just something that aludes to photography behind is just a tool for facebook and instagram.
Sorry if I’ve offended any Samsung users but that’s my take on the matter.
Same can be said for Panasonic, yet they make fantastic cameras which are arguably the best for indy film production.
I think the problem with Samsung is you don’t know whether they are in this for the long haul. That wouldn’t be a problem if they had jumped on board with MFT but the fact they went with a proprietary mount means that if they decide to exit the market me the consumer is left with a bunch of glass that is worth nothing and can’t be used. If however they had joined MFT I would happily use their cameras and lenses, I think they made a strategic error by making a proprietary mount and their sales numbers tell that story.
@beebop
My thoughts exactly 🙂
Yes, nice gear but wrong mount. Why do they all need their own mount?
I agree.
because they don’t want to share a piece of the pie…
bad calculation I think – because their piece of the m43 would potentially be bigger then their whole NX pie.
+1
The same could be said of Fuji.
The same can be said of Sony, Fuji, Sigma, Pentax, not just Samsung. They are all bleeding bad in their camera business as a result of this greed, the vain hope of beating the others and becoming significant with their own mount. The fact is that they all failed, everyone of them. Even M43 mount, the most promising, is struggling.
They all missed the opportunity big time, to become a force than can rival Canikon, survive and thrive by getting into M43, which would have been so big and popular then that each of these makers can make a decent profit, rather than bleeding every day, month and year as they “dream” of establishing their own mount that can capture enough of the market share from Canikon.
They all truly failed and revolutionise the market (like the small PC cloners have through standardisation). What a pity!
So if Samsung abandon their camera business, their cameras and lenses are going to stop working all of a sudden? Will they send out a kill signal via WiFi or something? This worries me, I don’t want my NX10 to stop working just because Samsung jumps ship. I would like to keep on using it long after they stop making camera stuff. Is there a way we can stop this happening? Maybe by hacking the firmware?
I question the respect aspect. Obviously a lot of people here use Panasonic, but I can’t think of one person I know, face-to-face know, that uses a Panasonic. That “respect” is more with video-first and still-second users, it seems. And the video/multimedia woman I work with uses Canon as do some other multimedia people I know, in addition to most of the still shooters I know. I wouldn’t turn down a free GH3, though! It isn’t much different for Sony, although they are trying to reach that higher market.
I would describe it more as popularity than respect. There are some bad movies out there that are popular but don’t get respect. Panasonic and Sony have bad and good products out there, but they haven’t hit the Canon, Nikon, and Leica respect level yet, even thought they put out their own bad products at times.
I bought a consumer Samsung for my wife and I was impressed by the quality of the product. Yes, Samsung isn’t hitting with the big boys yet, but I like their jump into APS sensors. The Samsungs I’ve held were better in my hand than all the Pens I owned. I wish the Samsungs took a Nikon mount, but they want to sell their own lenses. I don’t mind different makers having their own mounts because some have traditions or they think their mount system is better, but I get annoyed when some of these makers have required use of their own microphones. That should be universal.
My fear is that Samsung won’t invest in the long haul.
Good point. If you asked serious still photographers, both Panasonic and Sony are still seen as electronic household product giants that do not have fully grasped what enthusiast photographers want. They have no doubt great technical features, sensors, OIS, EVFs, … but simply cannot integrate the whole thing into something that thrills the demanding photographers like Olympus (and Pentax before its demise) can. There is a subtle but significant different in how they design cameras. They are still mainly makers of video cameras, which are much newer than still cameras and apparently easier for them to grasp. What Sony and Panasonic need are some old-fashioned traditional photographers to involve in design decisions, or they will continue to fail to make it in spite of the huge resources they sink into this business. The fact is not many serious photographers would consider any Panasonic or Sony camera for stills.
I don’t think I would personally like such a thing (however I haven’t tried it yet!) particularly on a weather sealed body where it is yet another opening for dust and water.
I think we are getting to the stage now where cameras need to become more modular so that we can accommodate to peoples different needs (articulating LCD’s, EVF, no EVF, etc)
I think the “pull” isn’t a real feature. It’s just something they had to do to make the tilt feature work — otherwise the flash mechanism and shoe would block the finder from swinging upward.
I like the tilt finder on the GX7, but on the Samsung the need to pull it back first makes it more fiddly.
I just feel that a company with a little more photographic heritage would have as it’s priority and as a matter of principle to stay in there for the long run partly because photography is in it’s dna and not just another division.
Beebop when you mentioned that the same can be said of Panasonic, I did alude to this but I stated that they’d been around long enough now with all the experience they accumulated that their products inspire photography.
Panasonic has shown no signs of dumping on us either and for them good things are coming to fruition.
That VF is of no use to me but I it may have it’s applications with some users out there.
I’m thinking tripod based photography involving close up and high magnification macro work in a lab or otherwise and an extendable and tilting angle VF may be of use.
no it’s simply Samsungs featuritis. It also comes with “babyphone mode” etc. It’s like with their Smartphones. Just throw everything in they have into a cheap plastic body and market it as if it’s the holy grail. Well, at least the lenses seem to be fine, but I’d never consider buying any Samsung product.
Yep, featuritis. Thats it. These arnt products but build-to-body spec-sheets.
Yep. + a zillion.
They’re using the smartphone strategy, who knows what will happen!
If they manage to truthfully stick to their smartphone strategy, we’ll in few years see a Samsung mirrorless with all the high end features of all Japanese companies combined in a single body.
Ecen for high end bodies QC will be even worse than Sony (Just look at their ‘decentered’ Smartphones) but everybody will buy it because of it’s amazing specs. The success of the product will solely depend on how many patent lawsuits Samsung will win (and given their expertise they will win many).
Simply true. Samsung is an ugly parasite in this industry.
The EVF is under the flash socket.
If you want to make it tiltable you have to pull it out.
I do not think its much of a feature, there is no other way to tilt it.
This would be a nice feature for the GH4, some of my video cameras have this feature and it’s useful when doing tripod work…
The problem I see increasingly is an unbalance between lens size and body size. That is obvious with the A7 system and its native lenses (partly) and is very clear with the NX30 body and the new 2.0-2.8/16-50mm lens. Hardly any space for the fingers left.
While there are also larger lenses available for m4/3, they are still far less out of proportion with the larger m4/3 bodies, even the largest m4/3 lens, the P 100-300mm.
It seems in order to get a well balanced small camera system, you need to also shrink the sensor. As such mirrorless APS-C and FF will never fullfill the requirement for a small, but versatile camera system very well. m4/3 seems to be the best solution.
Agree. Rember that some metabones don’t fit the EM-1? I don’t believe Olympus restricted the space by accident but are well aware of the diameter of any long term lens projects.
The benefit of m43 is not how small you can make the body (in theory just the mount and sensor, connected to your google glasses) but that the bright glass stays small for an equivalent FOV.
“”While there are also larger lenses available for m4/3, they are still far less out of proportion with the larger m4/3 bodies, even the largest m4/3 lens, the P 100-300mm.””
Though they are very good the best FT lenses that the E-M1 is in large part designed and marketed for are often gigantic not to mention outrageously expensive. The reason the lenses on other formats are larger is they have to cover a larger image circle.
People seldom bother to compare like for like to match { same DOF/AOV and total light} a 16-50mm F2.8 f2-f2.8 on APS you need a 12-38mm F1.5-2.1 lens , have you seen any , what size do you think it would be if one was made. Look at the size of the Voigtlander fast mFT glass and they don’t even have AF.
that’s a useful feature for video. wouldn’t mind seeing it on other cameras
Even when using my right eye, my nose touches the LCD on pretty much all cameras with an EVF in the middle. So the pulling might be a great idea.
It is just Great (Even it is by Samsung….)
Solid specs and all hands on previews state the build quality is top notch – the photographyblog says the body is weather sealed too? 1/8000 shutter, 9fps, hybrid AF, 2.3millon dot evf – they’ve come out swinging. They’ll price it smack bang in the EM1s and Fujis crosshairs no doubt. I wouldn’t palm Samsung off, they have a solid lens lineup which should flourish if they continue to expand their ‘S’ lenses. I dont see why everyone here bags them – its a camers with solid specs and now with a impressive zoom lens to boot.
samsung is only about specs
I’ve been reading reviews of Samsung lenses and cameras, and you’re dead wrong. They’ve been quietly producing some very nice glass and OK cameras. They just don’t seem to get much coverage or attention… yet. The NX30 looks like it could be their best yet, finally competitive with M43 and Sony etc., and the new 16-50 f2-2.8 lens looks like it may be outstanding, possibly one of the best fast general zooms ever.
Samsung seems to be making a serious stab at the enthusiast mirrorless photo market, and I will be paying attention to what they do along with Oly, Panny, Sony, Fuji etc.
what a genius comment! if you look a bit further, you will see that they have great lenses and a great sensor…
in good light, just like their smartphones…
The lenses are ok
Summary:
The rotating viewfinder is not in a micro 4/3 format camera, therefore it is stupid.
Even more, it is not in a an Olympus camera, therefore it is really stupid.
Your preemptive countertroll seems a bit early…
Great!!!!
Samsung has the potential of making a good system. They have the knowledge, and already have good lens collection. I do wish they had joined m43, of course. But they could be the loved underdog of SLT systems in the future, if they put a little more effort in their camera designs.
this is not tiltable 90° like evf GX7 but only 45°.
Actually it tilts 80 degrees.
Read before posting ignorant comments.
I love the design of the NX30. The fully articulating screen + tilting EVF combo is excellent. My Canon DSLR had a fully articulating screen, and my Sony RX100-II’s EVF tilts, and I love both. Would be amazing to have both on one camera.
I’ve never owned a Samsung camera before, but have been reading reviews of their lenses and past cameras, and apparently Samsung has been quietly producing some decent cameras, and more importantly some really excellent lenses with good to outstanding optics. The 85 f1.4 and 60 f2.8 Macro for example. The new 16-50 f2-2.8 looks to be unprecedented as a general zoom. It may end up being one of the best general zooms ever made.
Some people around here need to get off their high horse and stop judging based on prejudice. Ironic considering how many Canon and Nikon people do the same thing to Oly and Panny people. Have an open mind or you may miss out.
would not mind seeing a tilting vf build into the new omd E-10 or EM-2 have one on my KM-A2 and it is real handy in low shots with bright sunlight. And somehow easier for candids, for some strange reason, people do not notice you if you look down while shooting them.
I’m confused by many of the comments people are writing. Some say they don’t think Samsung is serious and could drop out anytime because of the proprietary mount. Everyone except m4/3 has a proprietary mount (Sony, Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Leica, etc). They come out with an NX30, and two new lenses but people still question that they are going to stick around? The come out with a 16-50 2-2.8 (which screams being serious)and people complain about the size (you can’t fight physics, it has to be larger and heavier if you want quality glass elements in it), but they also put out a 16-50 powerzoom for those who prefer compact to speed/size but most commenting don’t mention it as the option to the larger, faster lens.
Compared to Sony NEX, Samsung has 3 pancake lenses (none of which are slower than f2.8), a 45 1.8, a 60 macro, an 85 1.4, a 12-24 wide angle, and the prerequisite superzoom and telephoto, now these 2 new lenses to go with the 2 kit lenses they already have. That puts Sony to shame when you’re looking for a lens selection on mirrorless solution.
Some comments say Samsung is only about throwing tech in the cameras but Sony is the master of that. It is the connectivity Samsung is trying to bridge the gap with. They’re the only ones trying to do that as much as they are, because that is where everything is going now. Photographers are a bit stubborn but the younger generation wants connectivity and are not as locked into their thinking. I know I was the “MUST have a VF” type for a long time until I rented the EM5 and only used the VF in the dark.
They do stumble and f up, the NX Galaxy is absolute nonsense. Android OS on a camera and a price that makes you have a small stroke! Slow boot up time! UGH!! But the NX***,NX****, and NX** series are all progressing nicely if you look at how Samsung has been moving. Heck, Sony just got rid of the proprietary hotshoe mount and the A7 line are the first ones to not get ragged on for the menu system outright–Samsung is dead simple.
As I’ve looked into the different mirrorless systems, I’ve been pleasantly surprised by what I’ve discovered about Samsung, especially when compared to the NEX system who SHOULD be much better, but in an interchangeable lens SYSTEM, lacking in lenses is a failing point, especially pancakes and fast primes.
Come on man, same sensor than nx300???.
Awful big big time!!!!, prepare for jerky noise!
“Come on man, same sensor than nx300???,Awful big big time!!!!, prepare for jerky noise”
As opposed to which mFT exactly:it looks to just as good/bad as the best mFT options
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Olympus-OM-D-E-M1-versus-Samsung-NX-300___909_851
Ignore Dxomark results. Just get raw samples from imagingresource from both cameras and play with them. Maybe less noise on nx300, but just a little bit difference. Besides, uglier noise and weird colored artifacts on dark areas. Play with highlighs recovering on ACR and see details…just play and forget about dxomark results.
Samsung has too much things to learn about good sensors.
looks nice. lens line up puts sony to shame
compare yourself
http://www.samsung.com/global/nx/lenses/index.html
vs
http://store.sony.com/alpha-nex-lenses/cat-27-catid-All-Alpha-NEX-Lenses
Which exact lens doesn’t exist for the NEX others than the 85 1.4 (expected to arrive soon for NEX). There are also 19, 30 and 60mm from Sigma for E-mount and some samyang and other third party lenses for E-mount. And where are Samsungs fast 35 and 50mm equivalents?
Is Sony really lacking lenses or is it maybe just a myth in the internet since years when Sony started up a new mirrorless system? Do you expect Sony comes with 30 different exotic lenses for all needs on the release date?
There are many things one can say about Sony but there is no real lack of lenses TODAY. And others than maybe the old 16mm pancake all of them are decent to very nice lenses.
Samsung presented a camera, wich shows us a direct competitor to a DSLR. They have really great lenses, the sensor is on a very good level and the prices aren’t bad.
For me, they are much more interesting than the Sony APS-Cs, but no one recognize them. I’m a bit sorry for those Samsung system…
Well….good if you have a Samsung cam. But have people actually looked at the size of that lens and that cam. It is not lighter nor smaller than the D5300 with the Nikon 17-55 f2.8 lens. The lens is bigger and heavier than the Sony F2.8 16-50 mm.
There is no incentive at all to leave your DSLR APS-c for this cam I think. Here is an argument on it with pics that show how huge it is also compared to the 12-35 mm f2.8.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52835482
The Samsung has no compromises (on paper) but no advantage either I think.
Some of you really need to get a life. :-/
I’ve tried the Samsung NX-300 and was quite impressed with the camera. The hybrid autofocus (contrast and phase detection) is fast and accurate. I would have purchased the NX-300 if it would have had an EVF. The NX-30 has improved upon the NX-20 and NX-300 in many ways. The only thing I’m waiting to see is what the diopter adjustment range is. Then I will decide which camera to go with on my short list. 🙂