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Long before the official worldwide shipment (April 29th) German stores are having the 17.5mm in Stock! Don’t know hot they managed to get them so soon! Anyway, here are all links to the stores:
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They have been in stock here in South Korea for at least a week, maybe two…
I already have the 25mm 0.95, otherwise I would have gotten it already…
Cool! I live in South Korea. I’ll check on Danawa for the best price.
One is spoilt for choices if you are a M43 user!!
Now if only i could afford it all !
Anyone know of any decent samples available yet? I’m interested in corner performance and sharpness stopped down, not just wide open bokeh and CA…
most lenses perform great when stopped down, so i shouldn’t worry about that.
Most lenses perform decently when stopped down, but for $1000+ I expect it to be exceptional. The Nokton 25mm is and that’s one of the things I love most about it 🙂
yeah, but the high price tag is mostly caused by the effort they spent on the performance wide open. I don’t know how much you want to stop it down but i buy a fast lens for its characteristics wide open or near wide open. And the best fast lenses have their peak in that range.
The Nokton 25mm at f5.6 is the sharpest lens I’ve used period (with the exception of the extreme corners) – that combined with it’s speed and close focussing ability make it amazingly versatile.
I’d like to see it the 17.5mm has similar abilities…
German language… That Sofort kaufen button makes me wanna jum and press it no matter what. Sounds like a military order that you must obey…
They know what they are doing. It could have been Jetzt kaufen, but nooo… Sofort!!
Ja, zu Befehl!!! :-):-):-)
Lulz, I’m waiting for one of the Hitler bunker meme videos with him being annoyed about the lens performance.
I feel that Voigtländer should work closer with Olympus and include at least some chip for the exif information. Automatic aperture control would be nice too. AF is probably too hard for them to develop, which is a real pity. I don’t fear manual operation, but sometimes it’s nice to be able to go in A mode and snap away…
There is no chips or automatic controls.
There are plenty of electronic lenses for that sort of shooting. That’s why I keep my 20mm, but the poor thing sits in a lens case on a shelf, ignored, while my Voigtländer 25mm has all the fun.
It adds to the experience I guess, but in the end of the day, it would be nice to have the aperture recorded in the exif, or have the camera adjust the apertue automatically if you want. It would help Voigtländer forward to develop those technologies as well.
Having exif data is not unreasonable and it should not alternate the lens’s built quality.
Its not as if you have to incorporate a motor and complex electronics.
One of the greatest advantages using manual lenses is the aperture ring coupled with the distance scale. Shooting with the GH2, I almost always use M mode and it’s actually easier to do with manual lenses because of the aperture ring
I do agree that it would be nice to have EXIF data, but it’s not a deal breaker.
New hands-on video OM-D E-M5 by digitalrev now online:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlngvkBxLME
@ camaman
they say jump, you say how high
they say “sofort kaufen”, you say “wie viele”
no choice you have to obey
🙂
Well, at that price – there will be a lot of them in stock 🙂
Realistically, when and if either Olympus or Panasonic makes a 17mm f1.4-1.8, there will be very little need for this lens.
You could make the same argument for the 25mm where Panny do make a 1.4 and 1.7. People still buy the CV lens though. There must be a niche for these if you prefer MF and want the fastest aperture (and don’t mind the weight). Me – I like AF and light weight so can live without a stop of light as you suggest.
Except f1.4-1.8 ain’t f0.95… CV don’t seem to be struggling to sell Nokton 25mm’s, despite the Lumix 20/f1.7 and 25/f1.4.
It’s not like CV 25mm is sold out or hard to get – there are plenty of those in stock around the world.
Moreover, it’s 30-40% cheaper this and smaller, PL 25mm is more than half the price and potential 17mm should cost around a third of CV 17.5mm.
How does the supply/demand compare with those of m4/3rds cams? Here, I still see new GH-1s listed!
The worst thing(s) about Oly and Panny lenses IMVHO is that FBW is awful, simply awful to use manually and the lenses have no markings so zone focusing and even setting infinity is not as easy as it is with a good old fashioned lens.
The worst thing about MFT for me is that it forced me to change my shooting style a good percentage of the time. Now that I almost exclusively use the 25mm f0.95 I can shoot how I want to, zone focus and set infinity easily, the only thing that’s missing is AF but frankly if the 25mm Voigtlander hadn’t come out I’d have drop kicked all of my MFT gear over a hedge in frustration as it’s (IMVHO) bloody horrible to use manually.
Certainly the electronic lenses’ mushy focus-by-wire is just plain dreadful. The only native electronic lenses I use with regularity are the 7-14mm and 100-300mm, the ones I actually use are manual lenses…
I really don’t get this problem with FBW, and I frequently focus manually. You turn the ring, the lens focusses. Where’s the problem? There’s a whiff of BS about….
It’s not BS, simply a greater amount of control. I prefer the tactile quality of manual lenses, but use both MF and AF lenses depending on the situation.
Focus with a Voigtländer 25mm, then try it with an electronic lens. You FEEL the Nokton and MAKE or focus on the exact point you want, while you pray the electronic lens will stop where you want it to stop.
Focus-by-wire can be frustrating to use.
The price isn’t bad compared to the price of the EM-5 which will drop by a 3rd in a few months.
In the full frame world this would be a 35 mm f/1.8. Cosina also make most of the Zeiss lenses that in the full frame world is the quality brand in price above Voigtländer.
However this lens cost around 50% more than both Zeiss 35/2.0 for SLRs and the Zeiss Biogon ZM 35/2.0!
The same can be said about the Voigtländer Nokton 25/0.95 versus both the Zeiss Planar 50/1.4 and Planar ZM 50/2.0.
To me it looks as if the Micro 4/3 customers are being skinned and have to pay much more for their lenses than users of full frame cameras! Especially as these lenses are not the only exemples.
It reminds me of when many European countries started using Euro and prices went up because sellers took the chanse to raise prices when customers were unsure about the real value.
The same happens when lenses with low f-numbers start selling for smaller sensor formats.
“0.95! Wow, only Leica made such fast lenses (Yes I know Canon, SLR Magic and a few other Lenses with 0.95 or wider f-stops also exists, but are nore rare and not in people’s minds like Leica.) before, and they are much more expensive! This is quite a good price then!”
In reality it is just a 1.8 lens. For a 50 mm (25 mm in the M4/3 world) it is usually the cheapest lens. 1.8 for a 35 mm lens (17.5 in M4/3 as this lens) is a little mor faster than the common and not so expensive 2.0. But it is far from being a 1.4 lens, although that is what the price reflects.
M4/3 users have the same problem doing the calculation with equivalent f-stops as new Euro-users had comparing Euro to their old currency.
f0.95 is f0.95.
Splitting hairs with DoF equivalence, are we?
No! It is just not about depth of field. It is about size of glass and opening (aperture).
Compare for exemple the 25/0.95 with a standard 50/1.8 lens for full frame. They are quite similar, only covering different formats. The 25/0.95 even has a 52 mm filter size like Canon’s and Nikons (old D) 50/1.8.
Despite the bulk, the 50/1.8s are only f/1.8. Think about that! 😉
Well, so it takes more to fill a bigger bucket, no surprise there ! 😉
Even if you have a big bucket, there is nothing suitable to to fill it with. LOL. The fastest is a 50/1.2 AiS and only that is it. The other two f/1.2s is either substandard or unobtainable (with an enormous field curvature).
Indeed. Indeed.
Correction! 0.95 is actually only the equivalent of a 1.9 lens for a full frame or FX sensor. But 1.8 is a more common used f-stop. In reality the real figures for both f-stop and focal length can be very generously rounded off to what is to be considered standard.
Er, no. As the previous poster said f0.95 is what it is. There is no full frame equivalent other than f0.95.
Your confusion comes from the necessity to use ever wider lenses to maintain the same field of view as the sensor size decreases and the effect that this has on DoF, not exposure, DoF. If you could mount a MFT lens on a full frame camera the area of the sensor you could expose would need the same exposure as a MFT sensor. The f value remains the same.
@EnPassant
f0.95 is f0.95 period. The image circle at the sensor plane or the angle of view at the front element have nothing to do with it. DOF is an image artefact that is a function of aperture, focus distance and image format.
Don’t confuse a discussion about a basic lens parameter with image parameter issues.
EnPassant: No. If you want to say f/1.8 then that is the correct value and not f/1.9 which is slower.
Yeah, f/0.95 is f/0.95. Do not further confuse yourself with different formats. 😉
Wikipedia to the Rescue!!!!
The f-number is given by F/D where F is the focal length, and D is the diameter of the entrance pupil. By convention, “f/” followed by a number is treated as a single symbol; for example, if the focal length is 16 times the pupil diameter, the f-number is f/16. The greater the f-number, the less light per unit area reaches the image plane of the system; the amount of light transmitted to the film (or sensor) decreases with the f-number squared. Doubling the f-number increases the necessary exposure time by a factor of four.
The pupil diameter is proportional to the diameter of the aperture stop of the system. In a camera, this is typically the diaphragm aperture, which can be adjusted to vary the size of the pupil, and hence the amount of light that reaches the film or image sensor. The common assumption in photography that the pupil diameter is equal to the aperture diameter is not correct for many types of camera lens, because of the magnifying effect of lens elements in front of the aperture.
A 100 mm focal length lens with an aperture setting of f/4 will have a pupil diameter of 25 mm. A 200 mm focal length lens with a setting of f/4 will have a pupil diameter of 50 mm. The 200 mm lens’s f/4 opening is larger than that of the 100 mm lens but both will produce the same illuminance in the focal plane when imaging an object of a given luminance.
I don’t understand whether this complaint is about price or about functionality (depth of field, exposure, absolute aperture size, etc).
As far as exposure is concerned, f/.95 is f/.95. As far as dof is concerned, you will get shallower dof with a full frame camera. If you want a large absolute aperture size, the Panasonic 100mm-300mm does quite well.
If you’re concerned about price, that is determined by supply and demand. If you’re using a relatively new system like m43, you will pay a premium for being on the front of the technology curve. Take a look at Canon’s pricing on some of their newly announced lenses (the 24-70mm. and their f/2.8 primes) and the m43 pricing doesn’t look so bad after all.
The cheaper Canon/Nikon lenses are 10-20 years old. When m43 has 20 year old native lenses, these will be cheap too.
I’ve found the lens in a Belgian shop, tho not in stock, it’s only €1199.
http://shop.studio73.be/voigtlander-nokton-17-5mm-f-0-95-mft
Also at a Dutch shop: FotoKonijnenberg for €1399, hmmm that’s no good.
http://www.fotokonijnenberg.nl/product/1632121/voigtlander-nokton-175mm-f095-zwart-mft.html
Book marked. Thanks!
The bunny shop is too expensive. 😉
Just found a quicktest of Voigtländer 17.5mm f/0.95 on Vimeo:
http://vimeo.com/40254211
(Taken with Panasonic AG AF 101)
Not all the stores provided do have it in stock. Only the first link offers direct shipment. All the other stores will ship in two to three weeks.
These equivalence arguments are silly.
Just because larger sensors can generally shoot at higher ISOs and since they require longer lenses to fill the same frame, it doesn’t mean it’s the same.
First of all, lenses vignette much less on a 43rds camera
Second, lens + camera combo is much smaller and lighter.
Third, it’s far cheaper than a FF camera + fast lens.
FF could indeed be compared like that if your average FF camera would cost 500-800$ and weigh 1/3 to 1/2.
@gzo
Thanks for the link. Re-assuring.
Mine is paid for, and should ship from California by April 25. The supply situation will be quite good everywhere, but don’t expect much discounting, and in fact they will edge up the price once the first round of production is sold out.
The 25/0.95 is a fantastic lens, and I put down my deposit for the 17.5 without hesitation.