The Panasonic G5 sensor got tested at DxOmark (Click here). The good news is that it is better than the G3 and GX1 sensor. But it’s still 10 points away from the best m43 camera which is the [shoplink 29074]Olympus E-M5[/shoplink]. Can’t wait to see the GH3 score! My guess is that it will be on par with the E-M5!
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OMG I’m first and it’s too bad, Panasonic, can’t get up in the seventies. Doesn’t seem to be much progress from the GH1 sensor, in four years.
Holy crap!
you are first!
As always, DxOMarks’s numbers don’t tell shit about a sensor’s performance. I couldn’t care less if it’s 50, 60, or 70. However, if you are not mentally lazy and look at the graphs, they will tell you all there is to know: where the sensor performs better, how much and how fast it degrades with ISO.
Comparing it to the OM-D Sony sensor, I say that it’s between 1/2 to 1EV behind , depending on what you are looking for, but the interesting bit is that it leads or equals the G3 and GH2 for any measure at any same point in the ISO scale, which again has nothing to do with what the numbers tell you…
False, GH1 performances were overrated in dxo because noise was not uniform but with a banding pattern which is very bad. I think recent panasonic sensors don’t have this issue
Other websites have reported that the G5 uses the exact same sensor as the GH2, but with the multi-aspect feature disabled. Compare the scores for G5 to GH2 on DxO and you will find they are almost exactly the same.
G5 is lower model in Panasonic lineup. It is not realistic to expect it to beat E-M5. Now, when GH3 DxO data becomes available, then we will have realistic comparison to E-M5.
…for approximately half the price. The Olympus slant of many on this site (including Admin) is becoming more and more apparent. The G5 looks to be a GREAT camera, but there’s hardly any mention of it. But, I’m sure many still love seeing essentially the same review for the OM-D with quite a bit of frequency. I’m not asking anybody to change the content of their site, just making a friendly observation.
@Jon,
Shhhhh :)) That’s part of the plan so that the G5 price drops quickly due to lack of enthusiasm about the camera. The same technique will be employed for the RF styled GX2.
+1 because Sony sensors IBIS and cameras that look like toys are so “IN” right now.
Truth be told, if the OMD was slightly larger, including the Rubbery, toy-like buttons, I would own one right now. Thank goodness it isn’t. The humping for that camera is too much for me to bear.
+1
Amen, brother.
Jon, just a friendly observation, but why do Panasonic users always come across like they have a chip on their shoulder about something? They paint Oly users as rabid fanboys, but they are always the first ones to make every discussion an us-vs-them conflict.
It seems unfair that you would complain about the admin’s frequent E-M5 reviews AFTER he posts news about the G5 and GF3…. Seems to me you should have complimented the admin for covering your favorite brand, but instead it seems to have set you off??
I think Admin uses a GH2. He even said he thought the GH3 sensor would be found to match the E-M5! If that isn’t pro Panasonic wishful thinking, I don’t know what is. Unfortunately I doubt if he is right. I don’t think there has ever been a time when Panasonic sensors have been a match for Sony’s
The reason this site seems to have had an Olympus slant and bias for the last 10 months is because it reports on news and rumours and Olympus is on a roll with the introduction of new, high class products that have stimulated discussions and interest on all sites that discuss things photographic.
The E-M5, the 75/1.8, the 60/2.8 macro, Pens with Sony sensors, even the crazy in a good way 15/8 lens cap. If Olympus was a rapper they might say -‘can’t touch this’ 😉
Olympus were a real innovator in the film era, with their OM system, trips, Xa’s, pens. To me they seem to have lost their mojo when they discontinued the OM system, showing only occasional flashes of their former capabilities since then. They now seem to have got their mojo back and are innovating again and people have noticed and talk about it, which isn’t admin’s fault.
The G5 might be a fine camera, but the OMD is king of m4/3 hill, so naturally the OMD gets the attention.
The Olympus OMD has the better sensor and amazing IBIS.
If you count the number of OMD bodies in the top selling list on Amazon, the OMD is the best selling CSC camera.
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Camera-Photo-Compact-System-Cameras-Lenses/zgbs/photo/3230476011#1
It’s pretty good actually, considering that DXO’s overall score almost directly follows ISO ratings without giving much weight to the other two important factors. But the G5 looks very close to EM5 for dynamic range, which is equally valuable to me.
Another interesting thing I learned from the comparo, unrelated to the G5, is that there’s virtually no meausrable difference between the NEX F3 and EM5 sensors – except for ISO ratings, which is inherent due to sensor size differences.
Your right for Dyanmic range or Exposure range. But the High iso values are different, Making the Sony look better!
One problem with DXO comparison is you should be able to set the x axis for either camera ISO or Measured ISO. As if using the camera the EM5 will have 4db less noise than G5, but the measured ISO makes it look like only 1db or less. The EM5 is very different at camera setting (something the user will actually see). But the curves between the G5 and EM5 don’t look significantly different at the measured ISO. This is something that I think is wrong with DXO.
Fish, STOP. You know it’s the other way around. My how we forget about all the Pre-Photokinia, heck, even after GH3 news and the constant barrage of “OMD is better” talk, “What, no IBIS, no Buy!” -I can go on, but I won’t. -Well, a little.
If its not “OMD is better than-” talk, it’s “IBIS”, if its not that, it’s “Sony sensor” talk. We get it.
I swear, OMD owners are sounding more like Leica owners, and that’s not a good thing.
A few people keep claiming its the other way around and if you say it enough, it starts to become accepted as fact… Even though I have never seen any actual evidence of it.
You have a problem that some people wont buy a camera without IBIS? WHY? You are upset that people are chuffed about the new e-m5 sensor? WHY? How is that a threat to you and your gear? Every camera buyer has reasons for their choice… And theres nothing wrong with that. Heck people have preferences when it comes to Ford or Chevy. Are you expecting that people wont have preferences when it comes to camera gear? Or just that they dont voice them?
Say what you want about Olympus (or any brand) cameras – thats cool. Attacking the USERS of a particular camera brand isnt.
QBNY, when the GH3 was announced – you told people to wait for the reviews so people could then see GH3 was better. Unless that was a typo and you missed the word ‘if’, you sound just like another fanboy getting upset/annoyed at fanboys on the ‘opposite side’.
I have more Panny lenses than Oly, and both a GH2 and an OM-D. They both have features I like, and both have things that make me curse.
So, to me, you look exactly the same as someone who says the OM-D is better than a D800, takes better video than Panny and more retro than an X100. So, if you dislike when people drop their pants over Oly, think about that before you drop yours for Panasonic.
Just remember who the real enemy is, Canikon 🙂 I kid! I own a Nikon too 😛 – so it’s just Canon and their users that suck 😉
As I saw someone once said, I think about Apple versus PC, it’s odd that you love these companies, as they most assuredly don’t love you back.
Fish, I’m not quite sure if there was a hint of sarcasm in your reply, but its simply more than a brand or item being mentioned. This post, which clearly is for the g5, states “but it is still 10 points away from the best m43 camera, the EM-5.
Lastly, I don’t believe I ever indicated that Panasonic was my favorite brand. I am interested in the format, and what both brands and others have to offer. My comment was merely intended to note how I have seen a ton of Oly love.
Cheers!
Why would that upset Panasonic owners? If the GH3 whooped every camera on the market why would that bother me? All my lenses work on it, I would buy one.
I am one of those people that hesitates when there is no IBIS as I dont have a single OIS lens, but have the 25mm1.4 from panasonic. Doesnt mean I brand bash, it is a fact because of my lens collection.
I am with Fish here, both sides are as bad as each other, but accusing the OP of bias is silly. We can all buy any body we like, not buying the OMD because of looks it more idiotic than not buying a camera because it is missing an important feature to the user.
this is wrong on a couple of accounts (they don’t follow the high ISO score, if they did, medium format would be close to point and shoot!)
Also, the difference in dynamic range scores is larger than that in ISO scores (dynamic range score is not log scale but ISO score is). The difference (compared to the Olympus) is less than 1/2 an EV in the ISO score, and 0.7ev in dynamic range.
Admin: “Can’t wait to see the GH3 score! My guess is that it will be on par with the E-M5!”
Yes, if it, too, has a Sony sensor, which it very well may. If you can’t beat them, join them, no shame there.
Has there been any G5 jpeg results tests ? Just curious to see whether Panasonic has filled the gap with Olympus in that area which looks to me as :
– the main problem for amateurs
– some relatively easy problem to be solved by such big IT company as Panasonic ?
Please no IBIS whining : that’s not part of my question !
The only compelling reason to upgrade from my GH1 is the G5’s electronic shutter. Simply going on the DxO figures and the conclusion is….the old camera is still best. Will be interested to see if the GH3 really does break the mold.
The high DxO results for GH1 are a bit overhyped. The banding phenomenon on higher ISOs is an inherent sensor weakness (no measurable by DxO!) and likely fixing this problem is the main reason that no upcoming Pana sensors are able to match the GH1 performance.
+1000 totally agree
I don’t understand Panasonic. They’re making extremely expensive lenses, but without the sensors to warrant the cost of the glass. I was looking at a m43s mirrorless purchase, but the Sony and Fuji lineups really are hammering home the sensor size advantages. The low light performance is key.
Low light sensor performance will always inevitably be better with a larger sensor, and neither Panasonic nor anyone else have control over this. This however can be partially offset by brighter lenses that are usable (aka sharp) wide open, which is one of m43’s key feats.
It’s really interesting if we can see the result from E-PL5 , against GH3 ,. Left alone the E-M5
There should be no difference between the em5 and the epl5. The only difference is the housing.
Absolute the two camera have same total mpx. number on sensor (17.2 mpx.)
So maybe have E-PL5 and GH3 same sensor. 😀
Those who don’t understand DXO are bound to compare the “overall” score and think it actually means something. Those who can actually understand the details know how meaningless it can be…..
+1000……….
I give a rats @ss about the score of any camera.
You just have to believe your own eyes. The files will show the DR to you and if you know something about photography and light, real world results will tell you if the camera has sufficient DR. Like when you need to compensate and to what level, if you need to PP a lot etc. Does the final result of your file lead to satisfaction or not. THAT to me tells the story of IQ.
Not some dumb numbers or graphs on a piece of paper/website!
DXO mark again .
I’m more interest in what is next after GH3 ?
The GL ??????
Bankrupcy of DxO I hope. Because it’s a ff-ing stupid site.
They just try to lure you in buying their software. Well they succeeded with DPReview, they bought it.
The beloved GX2 with EVF 🙂
Dpreview licensed their lens test software which is something completely different from their sensor tests.
Is this any different than http://www.43rumors.com/dxomark-posts-the-panasonic-g5-sensor-results-still-waiting-for-the-e-m5/ ?
Only the G5 review on DXO is new, not the score/measurements. Those were already done and published weeks ago…
LOL
From samples I have seen, G5 is better at high ISO than the G3/GX1. At mid ISOs G3/GX1 has an edge at details – G5 has an edge in color fidelity. But at 3200/6400, better color fidelity of G5 pushes it slightly above the G3/GX1.
But alas, since they’re reducing it all to a single number… They still manage to get the number *wrong.*
P.S. Oh, and they found differences between G3 and GX1 sensors?… So much for the /highly/ /prized/ technique of removing in-camera PP out of equation.