Image courtesy: ePhotozine.
Quesabesde and ePhotozine got info from Panasonic about their 8K plans. ePhotozine writes:
“Panasonic announced plans for future 4K and 8K video and photo features, including 4K at 60fps and 120fps, as well as the ability to take 33 megapixel still images from 8K video footage. They say they are planning to have this technology ready for the Tokyo 2020 Olympic games. No further information was given at the time.“
It’s very likely the GH5 will not be that first 8K camera. More like the GH6 or another High End model coming between 2017 and 2020. The GH5 is set to be released in 2016 already!
Panasonic Preorders:
Black G7 with 14-42mm lens at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto and Panasonic. In EU at Jessops, WexUK.
Silver G7 with 14-42mm lens at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto and Panasonic. In EU at Jessops, WexUK.
Black G7 with 14-140mm lens at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto and Panasonic. In EU at Jessops, WexUK.
Black G7 with 14-140mm and 14mm lens kit at BHphoto.
Black G7 with 14-42mm and 45-150mm lens kit at BHphoto.
Silver G7 with 14-42mm and 45-150mm lens kit at BHphoto.
Olympus Preorders:
7-14mm f/2.8 PRO lens: Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, GetOlympus, WexUK, AmazonUK, AmazonDE,
8mm f/1.8 PRO lens: Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, GetOlympus, WexUK, AmazonUK, AmazonDE,
Titanium E-M5II: Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, GetOlympus, WexUK.
Accessories:
7-14mm Olympus LC-79 Lens Cap at BHphoto.
Olympus PPO-EP02 Dome Port for 8mm at BHphoto.
Olympus PPZR-EP05 Focus Gear for 8mm at BHphoto.
Olympus POSR-EP10 UW Anti-Reflecting Ring for 8mm at BHphoto.
162 Responses
Wow, Panasonic!
Very good news!
Only 8K? For me 20K or nothing!
Don’t worry, by then Canon wold introduce the first mainstream DSLR capable of recording true FHD (resolution wise) with no moire and aliasing. LOL
Yes but the bit rate is still to low for professional purposes. You gotta wait till 2025 to get that.
Agree.
Eno, I seriously doubt Canon will be capable of of real FHD on FF in the next 5 years, unless they ditch their own tech and buy from Sony.
:))
Don’t be stupid, Eno. Canon video output is not that bad…
It is actually on par with the competition.
You are right, it’s not bad, it’s ABYSMAL!
Good Lord… it appears we have a young boy here…
how old are you, dear?
You ran out of arguments Viezuvure? Report to Canon for more instructions. LOL
“Viezuvure”???
Ok… probably you are not a kid, you are something else entirely….
Yes, I’m a troll hunter ;).
A troll who hunts trolls… Interesting…
How can you all be so blind?! The XC-10 clearly is THE future of professional video AND still photography! All cameras, released or planned, are automatically outdated, because they are not convergent!! Kneel before our god – the infallible Canon!!
/sarcasm
Your nickname suits you very well…. Good choice!
Panasonic GH8 available in 2020.
Panasonic GH8 with an organic sensor in 2020 sounds very reasonable.
For Yun’s sake I hope it comes before then.
Gx8 will have a new sensor with 14plus dynamic range and dual native iso of 100 and 3600.
we wish.
Technology already in their Varicam of a year ago.
What are you talking about?
VariCam 35’s Key Features:
S35MM 4096 X 2160 Advanced MOS Imager
Native ISOs of 800 and 5000
14+ Stops of Latitude
Variable Frame Rate — 1 to 120 fps in 4K
Dual Recorder
Records simultaneous 4K/ 2K/Proxy, or UHD/HD/Proxy + Raw to Codex (option)
Apple ProRes 4:4:4:4 and ProRes HQ Built-in
AVC-Intra Codecs — Class 100 / Class 200 / Class 4:4:4
2-piece Modular Design (docks to AU-VREC1G recording module)
You know that super 35 sensor is larger than m43?
That “old” tech had since trickle down to M43.
Tell that to the JVC GY-LS300.
I can’t wait for this. The price on the GH4 will go down so much I’ll be able to get a second or even third body!
I’ll be happy with just 4K @ 60P!!
I have no real use for 50p or 60p. I’d prefer to have 96fps in 4K for real slo-mo.
Where should the lenses with a resolution of 33Mpix in 4/3 format come from?
That’s old news, the Olympus EM5 II has been shooting 64 MP raw files for months. The lenses seem up to the challenge just fine. http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/olympus-e-m5-ii/olympus-e-m5-iiTECH2.HTM
You clearly didn’t understand how Olympus high resolution mode works….
Sensor and pixel shift. Here’s a polite suggestion – You are clearly not clairvoyant, so choose another profession.
Thank you. You confirmed my thought…
What thoughts? O…you mean Canon propaganda. LOL
“Canon propaganda”???
Are you a nutter?
Cut the crap Viezuvure or whatever the name, everybody here knows your trolling. 🙂
You too confirmed my thought…
You also post as Tron?
Grow up moron.
For improvement on the subpixel(sensor shift)level, the lens still needs to be able to resolve the details. You see that some lenses clearly don’t deliver the full details on high resolution mode, while they perform fine in terms on 16mpix mode. Other lenses do.
This shows that the better m43 lenses are capable of much more then just 80% of 16mpix that dxomark shows.
Direct from the factory. LOL
what the story that you think on-date M4/3 lens do not support 33mp’s resolution?
Good to see deployment of advanced video technologies. I hope Olympus will follow the trend too (i guess Olympus EM5 mark2 is an example even if still no 4K).
I’m just waiting for the GH4 to come down in price again. I’m pretty sure it was $1,500 (B&H, Adorama) a couple of months ago. Now is back to $1,697.99 ?
Demand is high. Price won’t go down before spring 2016 now and the release of the GH5.
The GH4 is back to $1,497.99 at B&H and Adorama.
The best MFT lenses have a peak resolution at about 9-11 mpix from 16mpix sensors according to DXOmark. I’m wondering wheter any MFT lens is good enough for the sensor that is suppose to take 8K video.
The trouble is that resolution is a spectrum. There’s never a single point where the sensor “out resolves” the lens, or vice versa. A 24MP M4/3 sensor would almost definitely bump up that peak resolution value by a few points. Likewise, a 33MP 8K M4/3 sensor wouldn’t likely resolve 33MP… But it might do 22MP, which is still twice as good as what we’ve got now.
Quite some DxOMark figures are misleading, so are the “MP” figures for lenses. On the other hand, the megapixel figures of standard Bayer sensors have always been misleading in the first place. You have to take into account that no Bayer sensor can deliver full RGB information for the number of pixels specified. I’d guess that it would be quite impossible to get substantially more than what DxO counts as 11 MP out of a 16 MP Bayer sensor.
so would is the real resolving power of the new mono leica i wonder… no colour bayer to get in the way.. but still promote it as a 24mp ff sensor ? by removing the bayer colour stuff, shouldnt it give us 3/4x the pixels in return, not just 24 bayer pixels?
From what I’ve heard, the Leica monochrom does indeed produce a better actual resolution than a Bayer sensor of the same pixel count. It doesn’t give you more pixels, but “better” ones. It’s difficult, of course, to compare b&w with color. A Leica monochrom b&w image, though, will always have more detail and better tonality than a 24 M RGB image converted to b&w.
Quite impossible for a m43 sensor… not for FF or even APS-C…
Oh, it is quite possible, as the E-M5 II with its 40 MP mode already proved. Not all existing M43 lenses resolve enough for perfect pixel-sharpness in that mode, but the better ones do, like the 12-40mm f/2.8, up to the point where a Nikon D8x0 with a comparable lens does not resolve better. There is no reason to believe that a native 33 MP sensor would not be perfectly well served by those lenses, too.
Not sure APS-C does much better save for using a few of the great FF lenses like an Otus or Sigma Art prime. But yes… Full Frame can reach 16MP resolution out of a 16MP sensor from a $4,500 Otus.
Never once have I checked DXOMak to see if my photos were sufficient.
Oh, and by the way: thanks to quite a few tests of the new E-M5 II with its 40 MP mode, we already know that there indeed are lenses, like the 12-40mm f/2.8, which resolve about as well as a comparable full-frame lens on a Nikon D8x0.
Again.. ALL lenses from every manufacturer benefit from more MP. The really good ones just benefit more. Since you are looking at DxO, you should probably pull an old Canon lens and compare it to a 5D and a 5DIII and see the difference in resolution from the lens.
Can we just focus on the GX8?
Thank you.
If there are no rumors, what is admin supposed to write? Make stuff up?
Maybe he does have something about it.
By the way SAR Admin makes up stuff all the time…. LOL
Funny that you mention it, he just posted a funny answer to my comment, and then it was deleted when I wanted to reply.
Definitely .
Like GX8 postponement due to new sensor breakthrough or
Mysterious RF camera spotted as GX7 successor .
“GX8 postponement”… “new sensor breakthrough”… “Mysterious RF”
What the heck are you talking about?!? Seriously…
Yun’s making stuff up like Narretz jokingly suggested. It’s called sarcasm. It’s a method often employed in humor.
I also find it annoying when people go “I’m not interested in this rumor, give me other rumors” – well then just …. wait for them 🙂 They’ll come.
It’s not “GX8rumors.com” so anything pertaining to the brands and the subject is relevant. jeeez…
Maybe the next iteration of GH camera e.g. GH5 will get an intermediate resolution, for instance 6K@30fps + 4K@60fps in order to bridge the gap between 4K and 8K ? I think it would be a good idea in order to make photo extraction from video stream more appealing, what do you guys think ?
m43 is not suitable for 32 megapixels. Diffraction will kill all the resolution benefit, panasonic needs aps-c or bigger if they actually want to capture extra detail.
Yes I’ve heard this, I think the best current MFT lenses max out at about 22 megapixels but it’s also a question of building a new generation of lenses. It’ll be pricy though.
Where is the source for this? I’m highly skeptical of that statement since… well, there ISN’T an m43’s native sensor with that many MP. And no, the sensor-shift tech isn’t the same thing as actually shooting on a sensor. All lenses benefit from more MP… some just benefit more than others. I’m not sure a limit has been found yet, even when you look at an old Canon with 8MP vs. today’s 36MP using the same lens: it still resolves more detail.
I’m no expert when we get to the fundamental tech, but it apparently has something to do with how the light is focussed into a circle that matches the sensor’s size. But I also agree with you, if it can be done on bigger cameras, why not? it’s just glass, and being an analogue object it should not care about the sensor, it just translates light, period. However I’m sure there are a bunch of older M43 lenses that aren’t just aren’t engineered to be any sharper because there was no point, as the sensor couldn’t resolve the details anyway. that would make them cheaper to produce.
I really don’t understand why people talk about things they don’t know….
It is just stupid…
Inform yourself better and then speak…
So you’re directing that comment at @denneboom:disqus me, and @Bhima since we’re all discussing a subject without full certainty.. Tell me how else are we to know if we don’t enlighten each other and ask questions? Or to put it another way, why don’t YOU say something intelligent on the subject instead of writing something that serves no purpose at all?
disagree, pany can not quick changing to new format (sensor),
i suppose they still play on M4/3.
other format ~ varicam 35
the human eye can capture something over 500 megapixels, so I think we have a way to go. Maybe we need bigger eyes too. like those we see in alien movies.
8K is worthwhile only with full frame sensors, so I suspect we are talking about fixed lens cameras. Panasonic will supposedly be quite reluctant to develop a new lens system for a small niche such as cinematographers.
Full Frame sensor readout would be too slow to support 8k, even by 2020.
But aren’t Oly and Panny using really slow CPUs? What if they found a way to open more channels for data transfer from sensor to the rest of the hardware, and threw in a CPU as strong as the ones used in say, iPads?
I can’t speak for Olympus, but I believe Samsung and Panasonic have the fastest CPUs in the camera industry (largely due to their focus on 4K, and existing competencies in processor manufacturing).
Honestly I don’t even know, I just heard that cameras in general are weak on the CPU side. But yeah, I suppose taking the raw sensor output and encoding it needs some balls 🙂
Oh, you are absolutely correct that cameras have weak CPUs compared to smartphones. But they are also optimized for image processing, so they don’t require quite the same brute force.
This is promising .
Hopefully the future 33 MP still imaging is not from multiple captures build up like
what Oly did .
yeah,too much resolution they need new material to make new sensor
I highly doubt that could be done in realtime to capture 30fps of it. That basically means the sensor-shifting motion would have to, at minimum complete its full motion, composite the image and write to the SD card… 30 times in one second. It would likely have to be a native sensor that has 33+MP.
Please include an ice maker by then as well.
I hate to be out and not have me some beverages with ice.
Panny is hinting using a new type of sensor material & technology for the next revolutionary release. Could be a pro video camera 1st, then GH6.
Unlikely a new sensor would probably on GX8 first. I can’t imagine them being able to jsutify the cost of a GX8 at around £/1000 without a new sensor, people would just get the old model.
However i’m quite skeptical.
New GX8, like the GX7 but now with 4K!
Is Eno the Admin of this site or just a moderator?
He’s a troll and ironically also a moderator…
Just so you know, we’re about done with the whole name-change-answering-yourself thing.
Tends to get in the way of the actual contributors.
Show us proof that it is a “name-change-answering-yourself thing”…
It would be sad to see the ban on comments without registration.
But some discussions really become overburdened by the trolls.
Price of popularity 😉
8K for who exactly? Not Consumers. 4K is already extremely high, when factoring in the average viewing distance for a 42/50 inch TV so that you can view the full screen comfortably.
For amateurs/ home video 4K files are huge and the video is already hard too process even with the PC system i’m using (i7 4 generation 3370k, 16GB RAM ) For amateurs/homevideo (who are the kind of people who would buy a Panasonic “G” Camera.
33MPix Stills? – Pointless
The limitation of the GH4 is not resolution, it’s dynamic range and low light capability. Seems like Panasonic and Olympus don’t have the sensor tech to compete. The sensor tech has not really improved since 2012 so they are focusing on gimmicks instead.
I don’t understand why anyone would buy the new G7. Feature wise it’s almost the same as the 2 year old GX7 but without in-body IS and it is much bulkier and uglier looking. The G7 too big for a pocket so you’ll need a camera bag. As for the styling they obviously just copied the equally hideous EM1 very “Tramsformers 3” to quote Kai from Digital Rev!
Here in the UK you can pick up a GX7 + 14-42 for £430 (including cashback), the G7+14-42 is £679, you can argue about ergonomics – but it costs 60% more for a bulkier camera that will take worse photos in the same conditions if you are using an stabilized prime (That means ANY Olympus lens, the Lumix 20/25./15 – So basically any “normal” prime”)
The GH3 also sells here for around £600, less than the G7. and they are a similar size
Panasonic have too many camera ranges right now. The reason why sales are poor is because release prices are so high and sell for half the price a year later after all the free lens and cashback deals. You are better off just going up through the range and getting the previous model.
GF/GM/G/GX/GH just LoL.
Panasonic’s marketing strategy is just trying to milk high res/4K. Last 2/3 years camera but with 4K.
Sure, most of those valid points – if those are the points you find important, but easily countered by a photographer/cinematographer with different needs.
4K is a very good idea as far as filming goes, with the increased resolution being practical for post-stabilization and pan-scan cropping. I only agree that 8K is a bit early but we’re looking at least 3 years into the future there. Besides 4K TVs are already available for consumers, which demands that professionals work at higher resolutions than 4K to reap the same benefits as 4K over 1080p.
I have little need for 33 megapixel stills, But who’s to say that a sensor capable of that wouldn’t be able to take lower resolutions while using the extra pixels for better dynamic range? In any case, I would certainly like to go as far as 24 megapixels, since downsampling from that resolution will smooth out ISO noise considerably, and I also have the option to sell my images for use in billboard advertising and posters too.
The G7 is ergonomically superior to the GX7 due to larger surface area and more physical controls make it more customizable and faster to configure than menus. The flip-out rotating screen is the exact reason why I’ve bought G and GH cameras, as I’ve found the display’s dexterity very useful in many situations, many times. And I don’t find it ugly but taste is not a fact. Who cares if it’s not pocketable? That’s what the other models are for. The lack of stabilization has something to do with Panasonic’s reliance on OIS instead.
I’m quite happy with the GH4’s dynamic range. It’s among the very best in the M43 line-up. I’ve had zero complaints with the images it takes from clients and I certainly have no problems either. If I truly need more, I employ HDR. But as many photographers say, working within limitations forces you to think more about your shot and settings.
As for Panasonic just “milking the high res” I would say they’ve certainly been in no hurry to exceed 16 megapixels for some time now. Though I believe it’s also a technological limitation that has yet to be broken.
Verbal diarrhea…
Sorry, I can’t talk slower online for your benefit. Try reading it again if it went over your head.
Reading again? LOL
Only a fool would read your delusions…
I suggest you find that person in your life who makes you so sad and insecure that you try to do it to others (and fail) and get away from them. Trust me you’ll feel better.
I suggest you to consult a therapist…
Not once have you managed to dispute a single thing I’ve written with a sensible argument. All the people following this thread know you’re incapalble of doing it. Laughing at you. This is why you feel inadequate and desperately cough up these lame primary school comebacks. Probably the basis for your trolling as a whole. You even paint yourself into a corner by claiming you read what I wrote, then claim only a fool would do so. That’s just moronic, embarrassing. At least change your troll name (again) … have some dignity. I’m done with you.
Jesus… you really are an idiot…
You don’t even understand a simple sentence….
And I’m not arguing with you, I’m just making fun of you… because you always reply to everything and you waste time doing it….
Actually I was just trying to prove a point….
Why are you wasting your time arguing with a troll?
Probably because you are even more stupid than him…
I Honestly enjoy smacking him around. He’s so easy. Bullying the bully.
This proves you are an idiot
I really don’t care what you think.
He’s not the only one who thinks you are an idiot…
We are legion…
So you read them like a fool? Or do you actually have no idea what you’re talking about?
Neither… One simply sees the length of your post and immediately thinks you are delusional.
“talk slower” …
It doesn’t make any sense…
people who don’t understand often ask you to talk slower – that’s not possible online as I’m not talking, I’m typing.. that’s why I wrote that I can’t do it… man I give up, you can’t even think that far.
You are so stupid that you can’t see how stupid you are.
This makes you unbeatable…
Now I understand why some users attack you…
It’s worth considering the background first, and the context in which my comments were made.
1)m/43 is losing market share to Sony/Fuji
2)People are not willing to pay very high prices for cameras, due to better quality smartphones which are small enough to fit in the pocket and always carried around.
3)m43 is really a design comprise to get market share for users who want something small to bridge the gap between a smartphone and a FF DSLR.
4)Canon/Nikon will bring their own mirror less systems soon. They may not be as good at first, but market share wise even the dreadful Canon EOS outsold Panasonic. There will be more competition in the future for the past few years in terms of mirror-less Panasonic/Olympus/Sony did not have to compete with Canikon.
Resolution is not TV limiting TV/display other than for graphics/video professions. Most people sitting at required viewing distances won’t benefit from 4K. Contrast and colour reproduction are more important factors for TVs.
“The lack of stabilization has something to do with Panasonic’s reliance on OIS instead”
But Panasonic sell 20mm/25mm/15 mm prime lenses.These hese lenses cost above £300 so they are not cheap. For a phototgrapher why would you use these expensive lenses on a Lumix camera when you can consistently get 3-4 stops better performance with an EM1/Em10/Em5m1/em5m2? Even now the Em10/em5m1 are much cheaper than this new G7.
Panasonic don’t have in body IS, but charge more for OIS lenses, but an EM5 beats the lumix OIS system anyway.
As for ergonomics? Bigger is always better? Then you might as well get a GH3 for less which has a better video codec. or just get a DSLR.
It makes no sense, that’s why sales aren’t good. It’s not lack of consumer knowledge or DSLR fanboy’s it’s just uncompetitive pricing. There are better products out there for LESS money.
These kind of products probably keep internal wheels turning and give marketing people budgets, but it’s not compelling as an upgrade for a current m43 user nor will it appeal to photographers from outside m43 to buy into the system as it offers no real benefits.
Good call 🙂
Yeah of course budget’s always a factor. But there’s so much to consider and that 4K label is going to sell cameras. There’s no doubt the G7 is simply an incremental update on the G6. But it has to be made for the sake of competition.
The GH3 is cheaper sure, but it won’t do 4K, and resolution VS codec is a hard choice to make for some, especially if you consider how sharp that 4K footage may look scaled down compared to 1080p, regardless of codec (by which I assume you mean dynamic bit range of the footage) not everybody needs heavy color grading options. If the codec’s not good enough then I suppose it’s a question of budget vs intentions, as there’s a considerable price jump to the GH4, but there’s the camera you want for 4K and good codecs.
Also 4K can be cropped for more flexibility in post production you just have to “underframe” your shots, leave room at the edges. Plenty of amateur and semi-pro filmmakers shoot in 4K and deliver at 1080p for this reason.
I know you will agree bigger is only better when it supports the intended use of the camera, that’s basic design and ergonomics. The G7 is made as a fully manual photo camera with good options for “enthusiast” filming. I think the design reflects that.
Honestly nobody knows why the GX7 has IBIS or if we’ll see it again in the GX8. But there’s been some talk about the heat-sink required to make a 4K sensor run, would be too heavy to stabilize, and that’s a good possible explanation.
I agree IBIS is better than OIS. The GX7’s IBIS is decent, but not up to Olympus grade. I think any serious filmmaker intending to use M43 would use a GH4 with some kind of steady rig over IBIS any day though. IBIS can help with stills too of course.
Panasonic’s wide primes don’t have OIS, honestly I can see the IBIS advantage there, but I shoot with the 20mm, 25mm primes and usually keep them wide open and the shutter speed means OIS is not needed – in most cases.
At the end of the day, I agree, it’s all in context. But that’s also what I said when I mentioned “different needs”. 🙂
I like the GX7, I had a GX1 and I bought the GX7 because it was a significant upgrade over the GX1 New sensor, nice grip, nice design, decent evf, wifi , IBIS. So Lumix pulled out all the stops for the GX7 and it was well worth an uprgade, if you didn’t’ buy it new. However, the Em5 had already been out for a year.
My main point again is that it now seems the companies are charging the same price for their new release camera, regardless of the improvements, so many consumers have just moved to Sony/Fuji.
Could be, yet sales decline over the whole spectrum from mirror reflex to mirrorless seemingly at once.
How can you be so sure?
Where did you get this info?
I guess you have never seen a bill board up close. The resolution requirements are low as the viewing distance is enormous. I did a few with my lowly Canon 5D mark 1 12.8 megapixels they looked great at the proper viewing distance.
Guessed wrong, but you are correct that some billboard formats use low resolutions because they are viewed at a distance.
My day job (not a full-time photographer) is at an advertising agency where we deliver both web and print solutions. In the print industry, working resolutions start at 240 DPI and upwards, even if the end-format has a lower resolution (some billboards are down to 180 DPI) we still deliver at 300 DPI in almost every instance. This is because the same material is often used across a wide range of medias, from magazines to the sides of buses to billboards to mega-billboards on buildings. Our bus stops have posters that are 2 meters tall and people stand right next to them, so the resolution can’t be too blurry.
At 16 megapixels 240dpi amounts to about 35cm x 47cm in portrait mode. Good enough for magazines – but at the bus stops or on A1 posters, that could mean visible pixels. And if a photo needs to be cropped, having a higher resolution adds options.
IBIS madness Photographer ,are you?
can you tell be who use IBIS camera make he/she would be best photographer?
do not troll here?
1st RULE:
Never contradict Eno, or your comments will be deleted…
Actually your comments were deleted for trolling and multiple screen names. Much like your new banter with Mundstrom. Nothing to do with Eno.
Eno is a troll.
He trolls Canon and Canon users on this forum and on other websites: Canon rumors sites, SAR, Imaging Resource and God knows how many other websites…
Why don’t you ever delete his comments?
Because you are not serious…
: ) I’ve studied your stile and comments over the time, it’s pretty clear you are payed by x parties to troll and discredit the other camera companies and promote all Canon products.
I’m glad you finally showed you true face Viezuvure, Thom, Pro, Dux, Web Surfer, etc, etc, the one Canon troll on the web!
I’m really not…
You surely are a troll and you are a moderator. Ironic.
If Eno trolls in those rooms I assume they have Mods there to address it.
Your history with Eno on those other sites isn’t my concern. His comments on this site are harmless at worst. He uses a registered name and doesn’t engage in squabbling unless baited. You, on the other hand can’t even use the same name twice in this thread.
If you consider him a troll, your name calling and nasty responses put him in good company. He’s not a Mod (He’d have that little logo next to his name if he was), so I’m not sure how you came up with that either.
And the fact that I’m taking the time to address this should show you I’m quite serious.
Everyone knows you are Eno. It is obvious.
Just admit it.
He will never admit it. Otherwise all Eno’s overly positive comments and praises about m43 gear would appear biased…
I really need to check the in-depth reviews of the Pana’s “4K Photo” mode.
I’m the last person who needs the “33MP” or “8K”, but the ideas showed already in the G7 (the “Pre-Burst” mode) seem very enticing.
always only the mass never quality.
so why is simple 10bit for normal onboardcodec not IN all cameras for now?
this would be a first next step. not the other.. all speake about nature and
environmet. if you go 8k ( for the porks watch 8k-ytube-spasm on smartphone,
you get 38% more energy waste for now, but if you see 7 billion smartphones in
2020 it is about 320%..so do we watch BBC ( gh-7) 8k drama about last tree on
sumatra, last ice in the alps and last fish in the ocean?
we go in the bulshit wrong direction… and have not 23th century startrec sys.
we just do so.. ( if you see new i-watch tv-maketeting it is like ” zombienation
vs soilent green”) money for nothing…. 🙂
is this then a 8k camera with diesel-engine?
and for the looong range desert shoots pleas a new f2,0-5 300-870 zooom
pleaaaase!
8K seems crazy now, but come 2020 (when we could expect it to be released) it will be nothing at all really for those at the high end working with it, and will serve them very well for 4K deliveries. Just like 4K does now for 1080 delivery. I for one am looking forward to 2020 and 8K for me! 😀
(and if you can’t wait.. there is always the RED Weapon…. but that is priced INSANE!!! I’ll settle for an URSA Mini 4.6K instead thanks 😀 That will already hurt the piggy bank hard enough as it is)
Well, I hope 10TB SSD’s and microSD cards will be the norm in 2020. I’m sure as hell not working with 8K files on today’s platter drive or a 512GB SSD.
I’m glad to have Panasonic in the m43 system, with their high tech in video, but I prefer olympus bodies and lenses. Who will catch up first? … Olympus with 4k or Panasonic with great ibis?
Panasonic doesn’t need ibis. And you can best believe if Olympus gets 4K, you won’t get 4K WITH ibis Activated.
And as for this possible new tech, I’d wager Panasonic keeps that to themselves as well.
I like your confidence, but certainly don’t agree with you. IBIS and 4k aren’t mutually exclusive.
And Panasonic doesn’t need it? Referring to their subset of lenses with optical stabilization? What about all the other native lenses in the system, not to mention the adapted ones?
Not to mention shooting video with stabilized lenses ain’t the same thing as shooting with real IBIS. Oly first needs to crack the code on GX7’s 1080p before reaching anywhere near Panny’s 4K. Likely what will happen is Oly will come out with an IBIS 4K that won’t be anywhere near as good as what Panasonic’s 4K is, but it should be a bit better than the GX7’s 1080p.
Is the GH5 next year for 2000$ If this dream is true other manufacturers will in pain. Especially canon
Do it!
perfect macro stacking. Aim, focus, record, turn the focus ring, extract stills for stacking.
or just use AF an let it pump for a second or two.
Yeah, there’s tons of potential for this.
Eno and Mundstrøm are moderators.
Be careful not to displease them…
I’m not a moderator. I have no affiliation with this web site. If someone has something interesting to discuss I discuss it. If someone complains about a product being crap simply because they don’t like it, I challenge them to think about the interests and needs of others. If some troll disses me for being interested in M43 on an M43 site, I challenge it. If some other troll or rude fool complains that the news they want isn’t the news they got, I remind them that they’re being douchebags and they should be happy the site even exists. I defend others from being trolled when they are simply incorrect or simply asking a question – because it’s OK to be wrong or request info from the community. And in your case I’m amused that you think this is some childish game of “hide from the moderator”.
Oh, I see… You are just MAD then… a self-proclaimed “vigilante” or “savior” of the forum…..
“I challenge them to think about the interests and needs of others”;
“douchebags”; “childish game of hide from the moderator”….
I’m really sorry for you but you clearly suffer from some personality disorders…
But don’t worry… This comment will be surely deleted by you or your friend, the moderator…
So from your perspective, what I do is more mad than *actually spending your time trolling*!? If you open your mouth in public, you live with the consequences. You try to grab attention by basically doing the online equivalent fingerpainting the wall with your own feces,
I wish one of you actually had something to say that would hold up to basic logic scrutiny and could actually be used for constructive debate or dialogue about *the subject of this site*. But it NEVER happens.
I wrote loads of serious comments, and a lot of people liked them, but you, Eno and the moderator really pissed me off…
And you’ll notice all those serious comments were posted.
When you decided trolling was more fun, that’s when things changed.
Just shut up…
I don’t take you seriously…
Happy to. Saves both of us time.
I hope you decide to get back to serious comments.
For now 4K video and its various modes will do just fine.
If anyone thinks that IBIS is better for video I challenge you to take a look over in Dpreview in a post by AndersW comparing video shot with GH4 to the EM5 II. Go down the posts until you see an actual picture comparison. The one from EM5 II is all very soft not in focus and low resolution while that from the GH4 is sharp. So apparently the IBIS provides a smoother video less jerky but at a terrible price and compromise with video quality. Just take a look and not my word for it. So Pany is not crazy to go for OIS in the lenses for video stabilization. However, no question of the advantage IBIS has for stills with legacy and lenses without OIS..
So I hope there will be fewer requested on this forum to have both IBIS and 4K together as not realistic at this point in time given the heat generated problems as noted by others.
It’s not the IS that makes the video soft and substandard.
Agreed, the difference has little or nothing to do with the OIS or IBIS. It is a matter of video codec in the EM5 II vs. the GH4 codec and how it is implemented. You can turn the IS on both cameras off, shoot from a tripod and get the same results. Panasonic has been doing quality digital video for a very long time and Olympus is pretty new to it. The EM5ii marks Olympus’s best hybrid video effort to date and it is an improvement and is better then a great many other hybrid and DSLR video attempts, but no where near the Panasonic GH4, Sony, Samsung NX1 or other recent higher end efforts. In fact the lowly FZ1000 or Sony RX10 are better then the Olympus efforts to date. But take a look at some of the other hybrid efforts and you will see some that are worse then Olympus.
Agree and I hope olympus addresses the achieved resolution of their 1080p video. Otherwise the video with ibis does make a nice difference with shaky hands.
Well this is interesting. Not really needed no but that is a few years down the road. Technology marches on. Of course I imagine some folks might get upset because they’ll have to update their computers too just to manage it. Then again, I just got a top end laptop with lots of CPU, GPU and memory power and will likely have to update it as well. I can only begin to imagine the possibilities photography wise.
New sensors will arrive in 2020? Hope not that far out!
There are already new sensors out there we haven’t seen yet, but they aren’t 8K consumer sensors. 2020 will likely be the mainstream advent of 8k. Right now people are still trying to get a handle on 4k. More efficient codecs will probably be needed to handle that much data, not to mention much larger storage systems.
just want v-log on gh4 with acceptable noise in the shadows and good skin tones. PLEASE give me that.
Apparently, we have the most childish moderators/admins of the internet on this forum….
They must be a group of not-so-young stupid friends who manage this website…
8K is interesting because as a video technology, it’s of no interest at all to me–even with a 70″ TV I’m not getting the full resolution benefit out of 4K, and my wife is already complaining that the TV is too big. If you’re shooting IMAX or something, fine, but for anything even remotely resembling consumer use, it’s ridiculous.
But… since that brings the resolution up to 30-some Mpix, shooting 8K video at 30FPS basically gives you a camera with a 30-fps burst mode, nearly unlimited buffer, and interframe compression to drastically reduce the required storage size. No RAW, but still, that’s pretty spectacular.
If you’re shooting any kind of action, just set it to 8K, record for as long as necessary, and pull whatever stills you need out of it. You’re practically guaranteed to get exactly the shot you want, especially if this future sensor is able to do global-shutter reads at a relatively high shutter speed. It’s the holy grail of action photography.
I’m actually a lot more interested in that 4K at 60fps (or even 120fps) as far as video goes. Slo-mo is one thing, but despite soap opera effect complaints, real (not TV-generated) 60fps video looks gorgeously smooth, so true 4Kp60 would be really fantastic. Heck, even 1080p60 is gorgeous.
I expect some smart algorithms to come along, possibly off-camera, that will process the 8K video (containing 8K worth of information per frame) and downscale it to either 4K or HD for display purposes. The results will be much better than native 4K or HD due to the added information in each 8K frame.
So 8K video might be of interest even for 40″ display owners.
Well, but that’s something they had already said last year.
I think people are getting the wrong idea. Remember that Panasonic is also a broadcast camera manufacturer. It is highly likely that the 8K camera will come from the broadcast division and that it will be tested for the first time at the 2020 Olympics for broadcast recordings. I would venture a guess that the camera is professional only and NOT a consumer m43 camera.
Secondly, we need to think how this technology jump may be achieved. If you make a 33MP camera with the same sensor area as m43, then you get pixels that are half the diameter and one quarter the light gathering area, like a 2/3″ sensor. I doubt this is the way they will go. Instead, it is more likely to use a full frame or Super 35 sized sensor for professional video. That way, the pixels will be reasonable size.
Finally, the way to achieve the processing performance required is to divide the sensor up into 4 x 4K areas and use four processors to do the work. This was done in the past when making the jump to 4K from 1080P. The sensor needs to be new, but it can be done with today’s processors. Eventually, the processors will get fast enough to do it in one.
The other path of speeding up the frame rate to 120FPS is easier. You may not need any new sensor because the current m43 sensor already does 240FPS for autofocus. By using 4 processors, you can operate on 4 x 1080P frames at 4 times the speed. This may be possible with the current sensor. That feature could find its way into a future m43 camera.