Image courtesy: Ming Thein.
Preorders in US and Europe (Click on the store name to read price and specs):
Dedicated page at Amazon.
Olympus E-M1 body at Amazon, Adorama and BHphoto, Amazon DE (via DL), WexUK, Topshot Finland, Namencolor Spain, CameraWorldUK.
Olympus M. Zuiko Digital ED 12-40mm f/2.8 PRO Lens at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, AmazonDE (viaDL).
Olympus E-M1 with 12-40mm Lens kit at Amazon DE (via DL), WexUK and CameraWorldUK.
Olympus E-M1 with 12-50mm Lens kit at Amazon DE (via DL), WexUK, CameraWorldUK.
Olympus EP-13 Eyecup for E-M1 at Adorama and BHphoto.
Olympus HLD-7 Battery Grip for E-M1 at Amazon, Adorama and BHphoto.
Olympus LC-62D Metal Front Lens Cap for 12-40mm at Adorama and BHphoto.
Olympus LH-66 Lens Hood for 12-40mm at Adorama and BHphoto.
Previews:
Dpreview, Pekka Potka preview, ePhotozine, BH In-Depth Article, TVsmith preview, SmallCameraBigPicture, Adorama, ThePhoBlographer, Photoscala (German), systemkamerablog (German), Quesabesde (Spanish), Photographyblog hands-on (E-M1, 12-40mm Lens), Steve Huff, Damian McGilliCuddy, Pen And Tell (German), OpenPN (French).
Reviews:
Robin Wong (part one), Ming Thein, Ming Thein on Flickr (part one and part two), DSLRmagazine (Spanish: part one and part two).
Lens (p-)Review:
Ming Thein, ThePhoBlographer, OpenPN (French).
Image of the 40-150mm f/2.8 lens at Dpreview, ePhotozine, OpenPN (French).
Image samples:
Ming Thein on Flickr (part one and part two), SmallCameraBgPicture, Rock photographer Ross Halfins Facebook has E-M1 portraits, DSLRmagazine (Spanish), Digitalcamerareview, Mitsuako Iwago, Gabrielle Motola.
Video:
video sample by Oly Malaysia, systemkamerablog (German), TheCameraStoreTV, Gordon Laing, Olympus PROMO (Product movie, EVF, Dual AF), First Look by InTech, Overview by Adorama, Whatdigitalcamera, Unboxing video by Damian MCGilliCuddy, Blunty.
Hot info and curiosity:
No more Four Thirds camera or lenses will be produced. Olympus officially merges MFT and FT into one system (DC.watch). Olympus were developing E-7 and E-M1 together….but they decided to commercialize only the E-M1… (DC.watch).
Olympus plans to release a wideangle zoom and super-telephoto prime in this nascent Micro Four Thirds ‘PRO’ range (Dpreview / ePhotozine).
Image of the 40-150mm f/2.8 at Dpreview.
Rockstar Ross Halfins E-M1 portraits
Annoying: No special 12-40mm kit price in USA!
Press Text:
E-M1: Dpreview, ThePhoBlographer, Photoscala (German), systemkamerablog (German), Quesabesde (Spanish), Photographyblog, DC.watch (Japanese), Techradar, LeMondeDeLaPhoto (French), ePhotozine, DSLRmagazine (Spanish), Olympus press event pics on FB, Official Olympus OMD page.
12-40mm: Dpreview, systemkamerablog (German), Photographyblog, OpenPN (French), ePhotozine, DSLRmagazine (Spanish),
40-150mm f/2.8 and Lens roadmap: ePhotozine, DC.watch (Japanese)
Poll:
First read all specs and reviews. Than take time and think…and after that you may vote 🙂
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241 Responses
yeah!
Take my money!
No problem, I will take your money 🙂
I rather like what I see & wish & hope, but right now other things in life are a lot more important at the moment, like bush fires in the area with high winds.
yet youre here…
I had to check to see if you’re behaving yourself seeing your mother can’t. 😉
No!
– No 25 FPS video
– No PAL-video support
– No high-bitrate video
– No ProREs or Raw video
– No facetracking autofocus in video mode
– No audio level metering in video mode
Conclusion: videowise this camera sucks bigtime
Olympus: please fix the 25 fps issue in a firmware update and lots of people wil buy it.
+1
GH3… R.I.P.
GX7 – Panny’s attempt to revive a 4-year old IBIS (see E-P1) & a 2-year old built-in EVF (see NEX-7 / NEX-6), already failed even before leaving the assembly line.
I can always count on Panny for BARGAIN BASEMENT DEALS this Holiday Season.
Mahalo!
You must be smoking something. The EM1 has IBIS and slightly better AF over the GH3 and that’s it. The files from RAW will about the same. When you sober up you’ll see that the video of the EM1 stinks plus no built in flash and no articulating LCD.
The EM1 is a nice stills camera and great addition to the M43 standard but its no GH3. And BTW compare the GX7 to the EP5.
indeed smoking something. heres dpreviews take on its autofocus
Our experiences were fairly positive, but only when seen from a ‘DSLR trying to do live view’ perspective, since the situation is comparable (a camera trying to focus a PDAF-optimized lens, without a standalone PDAF sensor). Focus is usually acceptably fast, though anyone coming from an E-3 or E-5 is likely to find themselves disappointed, in comparison.The way see it is this: if you’re a Four Thirds lens owner and you’re expecting full DSLR performance, you’re going to be disappointed.
That quote is about autofocus with 4/3 DSLR lenses. Autofocus with m4/3 lenses is a completely different thing.
Yep af with mFT lenses is the same old Ssuperfast S-AF not so clever C-AF no surprises there. Though maybe you are one of the Olympus fanboys who think that because you can take a photo of an elephant walking that you have D4 AF LOL
And by now they updated their statement, may want to look again mr true panafanboy.
My GH3 is limited to a 1/4000 second shutter speed, and it certainly doesn’t have the 5 axis IBIS from the E-M1. It also doesn’t have the Phase Difference AF, even if it’s half a solution. I can say that the GH3 focuses my Four-Thirds lenses faster than my E-1 does, so I’m not sure there is a serious problem. It’s not nearly as fast as my E-5 but apparently, the E-M1 isn’t either.
I think I’m not missing anything with the GH3. It will still work just fine, and it focuses down to EV -4, which is quite good.
LOL yep nearly every photo I take is at 1/8000th second
1/8000 sec has been a standard feature in semi-pro and pro SLRs since 1988 (Nikon F-801, Nikon F4 etc). Just because you don’t need 1/8000 sec doesn’t mean it’s a useless feature to others. For example, I hate shooting with ND filters, and 1/8000 sec allows me to shoot wide open under bright conditions when I have to or want to do so. A fast shutter also has the benefit of allowing a shorter flash synch speed without having to resort to FP mode.
“Panny’s attempt to revive a 4-year old IBIS (see E-P1) & a 2-year old built-in EVF (see NEX-7 / NEX-6)”
None of the two statements is technologically sound. Concerning the IBIS, you might have noticed that Robin tested the 5-axis version with ultrawide lenses only, where it is particularly effective due to the minor shifting distances and speeds necessary there. It is well-known that OIS is the method of choice for longer focal lengths, where IBIS gets confined by the extreme shift distances and speeds. The GX-7, if used with Panny lenses, offers both methods and selects the more appropriate one based on the lens parameters. Despite its IBIS being 2-axis only, the system thus is by no means identical to the system from the E-P1, but in fact far superior. It is, btw., also unclear whether this system should still be called “2-axis” or whether Olympus’ clever counting trick introduced with the “5-axis” system would also render this a “4-axis” system. In the end, the “5-axis” system also has just three axes of movement (horizontal, vertical, and rotation) which, however, can compensate for 5 types of disturbances (horizontal shifts, horizontal pitching, vertical shifts, vertical pitching, and rotation around the optical axis).
Concerning the EVF, it is just the position that is equivalent to the NEX-6 and NEX-7. The technology is different and offers a wider color gammut almost equivalent to the Adobe RGB range, overcoming a weakness of all other EVFs currently available.
Total Panafantard.
The technical details in your counter-argument defy correction. Sir, I doff my cap at your knowledge, wisdom and grasp of technical details.
In case you missed it, I am being sarcastic.
Complete technical information:
Totally blind & misinformed PannyFanTard!
Perfect example here people! Gather around!
The man presents a perfectly substantiated argument but since is not pro oly he is replied with what? A neanderthal insult. And nobody is complaining to admin or declaring the downfall of the forum either as opposed to other comments, why? It was not pro oly. This place is a joke of hipocaracy
I guess this REALLY makes you KING of he PannyFanTards!! LONG LIVE THE KING!
Thanks, Homer! My view is the following: As the guy -it seems likely that it’s the same “Anonymous” all three times- took his time to answer every second hour, he seems to have got my message. And it was nagging at him, as he immediately recognized that he’d be unable to invalidate it. Being incapable of formulating technological arguments himself, he went to the extreme fanboy mode of insult. I simply don’t care for posters so efficiently discrediting themselves. Let it go…
Interesting reading. Can you show us some test verfying your claim that OIS work better than IBIS with tele lenses?
“It is well-known that OIS is the method of choice for longer focal lengths, where IBIS gets confined by the extreme shift distances and speeds.”
The fact that it is often being repeated doesn’t make it right.
If what you say were true, Pana’s 100-300 would give better results then Oly’s 75-300 both at 300mm when shooting at say 1/100. Hint, it doesn’t.
Technically, as the lens becomes longer and the absolute aperture becomes larger, the elements that need shifting for OIS also become larger and heavier, and this negates much of the theoretical advantage you are clinging to. Which one works better also depends a lot on actual implementation details. Not all OIS implementations are equal, not all IBIS implementations are equal, and this alone makes your statement unqualified rubbish.
Awesome! Thrilling! I’ll be adding this and the 75mm f/1.8 to my bag with my 1D X and other CaNikon gear.
I’m buying for sure.
I decided on the E-P5 instead …better for my needs, (M1 looks cool though!)…but the new 12-40 lens I just GOTTA have!!!
Olympus is including the hood AND a lens pouch…I think I may faint!!!
I def cant afford this, gx7 is in my future though
E-P5 is superior in every way to that Panasonic toy camera.
Except one obvious and essential deficiency. See if you can think what that is…
Guys,.Ming Thein review,.E-M1
http://blog.mingthein.com/2013/09/10/olympus-om-d-e-m1-review-1/
I quote his statement about IQ, DR, High ISO, and Tonal color;
Good news: this camera produces the best SOOC JPEGs I’ve ever seen; the output is very similar to the E-P5 (which you’ll recall I was very impressed with), but with the added flexibility of the color creator to shift WB and saturation (or apply virtual filters to your B&Ws). Sharpening is sensitive and not overdone; detail is crisp and the microcontrast characteristics of the lens are preserved well. The sensor’s overall tonal response seem quite similar to the E-M5; however there’s about a stop more dynamic range in the shadows, and noise seems better controlled – somewhere between half a stop to a stop. I’d say ISO 3200 still delivers good quality, and ISO 6400 is usable – this with JPEG noise reduction off. More importantly though, there’s little chroma noise and almost no odd hue shifts in the shadows at higher sensitivities caused by amplifying different color channels unequally. Color has always been Olympus’ strong trait; no exception here. Auto white balance is better than ever; it seems to have a slightly wider operating range specifically lower down in the Kelvin scale, making it able to better accommodate incandescent sources. The majority of the JPEGs in this review are straight out of camera; there are a few examples where I’ve processed a color file to compare against a SOOC B&W, and I think you’ll probably agree that the results are actually surprisingly close.
At DPrevew comparison, high ISO in jpeg looks similar to E-M5 and E-P5 (and NEX-6). No real breakthrough there.
Just read part one of Mings review. Sounds better than I was expecting. Have to wait until I put the kids to bed before I read part 2…….I’ll trawl through the other reports, but looking for some real life reports on how good the focus tracking is.
B+H took down the page that showed the E-M1 with 12-40mm package. Did anybody see the price?
No price I think, but try this link for the BH article:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/indepth/olympus/news/first-impressions-olympus-om-d-e-m1-mirrorless-micro-four-thirds-digital-camera
Do you always do that? How do people like it?
initially, I wasn’t thinking this iteration of body was worth a go as it sounded sort of niche user oriented. That has changed significantly as more info trickles in. Now it’s official; where are the reviews, tests and samples? Getting one in hand to feel is another requirement . . . hope the xmas season isn’t the big real-time arrival window
so definitely the grip doesnt line up with the body ….. i know it doesnt effect anything (pic quality) but it just seem like a rush job and no quality control lolz.
It’s kind of typical. The battery grip for the E-1 looks as though the designers didn’t know anything but where the electrical contacts were going to go and what size the battery was.
yeah, it seems, the 2 departments working separately based on 2 different measurements. Maybe one is american and the other one is british engineer lolz. Only off about 4-5mm, well, no big deal hahaha
It’s obvious that they’re a bunch of engineers and not a bunch of stylists.
When I attempt to match the right top plate with the grip, the mis-matched bits seem to be intentional (and reasonable) separations. It’s just that they don’t have a smooth look from the front.
I think the Panasonic GH3 people looked at the E-5 and used as much as possible while the Olympus people looked at the E-M5 and used as much as possible. The GH3 seems more correct to me but the E-M5 is more stills-oriented.
If I had been able to use my current battery grip with this, I might have upgraded from E-M5. Nah, I’ll stay with my E-M5 as my back up camera (aka the one I use when I don’t want to use my DSLR)
Well, at least the lens looks good.
Maybe, the replacement for the E-M1 will be good. It’s funny that the information from Olympus, on Adorama, shows that the staff couldn’t decide whether it was the E-M1 or the EM-1. That’s sad that Olympus don’t even know their own products.
Adorama video review – http://www.adorama.com/alc/0014305/article/Olympus-OM-D-EM-1-Product-Overview
Looking very very nice. From some of the shots I am seeing around, the detail looks Fuji xtransesque/sigma esque.
Hmm.. jury’s still out on whether the sample images floating around the net can be considered X-trans-esque. There is a notable difference in discernible detail though now that the AA filter has been removed.
That’s a higher proportion of people saying they are going to buy it than usual. I think we are all quite excited about it.
I haven’t voted, yet; I need to sleep on it first.
Maybe literally. 🙂
Just pre-ordered, thanks for the links. Here’s hoping to get it sometime in October. Olympus also has a rebate on the adaptor too.
WOW! Olympus did it, they finally did it, they built the perfect small camera that a Pro still-shooter has been asking for in the mirrorless market, well except for having dual memory card slots. So close but no cigar, I guess I will just keep my EM-5 for travel photography and continue to lug around two Canon 5DMK3 cameras for actual work. I am sure the gearheads will love this camera, but I cannot risk having a SD card go corrupt, redundancy is a Pros best friend against lawsuits or losing important clients. Maybe they will follow Apple’s strategy and in in two years we will have a EM-1S with the minor upgrades that should have been included on the original model.
Maybe you could use WiFi for backup on the fly on your smartphone?
Having Wifi is a big bonus and I am pondering purchasing the camera so clients can see the photos when shooting in the studio. But I do not see Wifi as an option to backing up .ORF files in the field. The 326 shot battery will dwindle down to about 90 shots and my phone will likely last a few hours too. That and just the thought of the phone burning in my pocket does not sound fun.
Oly said that they finished Fourthirs!
This web needs to change the name to M43rumos?
just kidding.
The link to Ming Thein Part 1 seems to be broken. Part 2 works fine.
Hmmmh, same sensor so GX7. 😉
It can’t possibly be the exact same sensor.
Just keeps getting better. E-M1, 12-40 PRO, 40-150 PRO, new high end compact. 4/3 glass back in business. Olympus rules. Zuiko rules.
Oly… i will buy this when you start making a light weight 300 F4 PRO !!
Pekka said they are planning a super-telephoto in the pro line, details not available yet
300 mm f2.8 I saw it, don’t remember where !
According to DPReview the on-sensor phase contrast is not a match for the original phase contrast of the E3 & E5. That is going to piss off many of the 43 lens owners hoping for an action camera.
I love that 40-150/2.8 lens. That is the first zoom that really speaks to my needs.
well it will make me a bit more patient and thinkin trade in the E3,12-60,50-200,ec14,ec20,ex25 etc and go for the 12-40/40-150 maybe even first just the 12-50. Better wait out and see what revision 1 is bringing in a couple of months. Probably an E7
E-M1 does 5-AXIS IBIS during video.
I guess GH3 will stay confined in a gyro cage.
Good one, Panny!
No one will be doing serious video with the EM1. Did you read the specs?
Ming Thein states in his Review Part 1 that he already has ordered one for video work. Having seen his stills, I have much more confidence in his view than in some anonymous pretender. And then again, I’m not really interested in video.
And Ming does not shoot pro video and is a part time pro for stills. Thanks for proving my point.
Anyone that would get the EM1 over the GH3 is nuts. There’s a $300 price difference too!
As nice as it is the EM1 is a proish camera.
E-M5 does it too; at the beginning, only with native MFT lenses. Then after a firmware update, both with native and legacy manual lenses.
Thre is a difference of bitrate : 24mbs instead of 17 on the E-M5.
Is this a clue???
Why aren’t they displaying the Kit pricing?
hhaha, its so funny how even DPREVIEW.COM get mixed up EM-1 with EM-5 all over the news articles. The EM-5 will be available blah blah blah. Lolz
WOW, a super-telephoto is coming. That is definitely a nice surprise.
Admin, are there any details on focal length and speed?
nope 🙂
But something else may be announced in a cople of weeks. About that YES I have rumors 🙂
I think I read 300 mm f2.8 on dpreview page…
I almost cried reading Robin Wong’s review…
You should cry when you read Wong , cry for your fanboyism preventing you smelling a paid Olympus shill
I cried, too! … I just looked down and discovered that all of this excitement is giving me an Oly-Boner.
From the Ming Thein review:
“I get the impression that the camera was developed with these users in mind; it’s been a long, long time since the last proper update to the proper 4/3rds line (I’ve been assured this isn’t dead, and an E-7 is in the works). ”
This doesn’t add up with the “Hot info and curiosity” note about there being no such intention.
Who has assured Ming Thein of this ? Who is right ? Aaagh, and here we were thinking this question might actually be definitively answered with this launch.
Interesting. A total confusion now 🙂
There will be no E-7.
-p-
Olympus really, but really needs to make a clear, unambiguous, high level official statement about this. Personally, the only thing stopping me buying an E-M1 is the remaining possibility that an E-7 might still turn up. The E-M1 looks fabulous, but an E-7 could still have some distinct handling advantages.
damn…big day for m43 fans is here….unfortunately my employe doesnt care ;-(
anyway big thumbs up for this Oly camera…good job
The EM1 is not that exciting to me. Was expecting more for video and better AF for 43rds glass. No revolution here but s good stills camera. Any pro that’s serious needs better video than the EM1 which is less than capable than the 4 year old 5Dmkii.
Oh we’ll there always the GH3 which might not look as retrotastic but its a pro camera.
Couple of video previews of the new camera:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESOj56fWB8Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzCxpxJk9YA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDCqJZqvr2E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4VM1MTzGfE
Damn look how big that thing looks in his hands…To me it looks like a very expensive dslr size looking camera with smallest sensor on the market. I really cant understand why people would buy this camera over a real pro cam for the same money and size exempt if they already have a bunch of M43/43 lenses and they are stuck in this system.
It’s not your fault that your comprehension is limited. I feel sorry for you feeling the masochistic need to point out your shortcoming ad absurdum. 😛
Don’t bother: he’s a troll that probably only owns a small toy P&S and never touched a real camera 😉
Go Olympus! In every prosumer’s heart lies a pro-grade camera selling for an affordable price. Most of the earlier mu4/3 gear were spot-on in terms of price, but they lacked pro quality and features. Olympus seems determined to change that. Looking forward to the new pro-grade lenses and cameras. I may end up being an MSRP-paying customer of yours soon!
Thank you(!) Canon for selling cameras with 5-year old sensor technology (vis-a-vis APS-C) and/or feature-crippled bodies (e.g. 5dMkII and 6D) and/or asking for an arm-and-leg (e.g. 5dMkIII and the new 24-70L lenses).
Just let 4/3 die already. Put your resources in m/43.
Wow love the look of the new lens, it’s got the best of the zeiss, schneider and sigmas with a touch of good old zuiko. the 40-150mm looks delicious as.
The 40-150 does look like a must-have lens. It’s going to be pricey!
Once again Olympus does superb photos and neglects video. I’m baffled not only is it using same codecs and frame rates but pdaf doesn’t work in video mode even with legacy glass (wtf really?), and focus peaking only in video. I really don’t get it =(. M43 is going to shoot itself in the foot with these gaps between Panasonic and Olympus. If the next Sony NEX7 which we know will have PDAF and 5-axis IBIS does video right I think I’ll be selling my OMD for a better hybrid implementation. So frustrating this system has all the technology but not in 1 body. Actually it would be simple to just give Panasonic 5-axis ibis so we have the ultimate hybrid camera. Too bad Olympus gave it to Sony instead =(.
makse me sad too… It will cost them more not to have full n video features as 25p, 50 p slowmotion mabee 100fps. The only reason I bought GH2 in the first place was the hybrid functions. Oly shuold endeed merge with pana and make the best product possible instead on sneeking with the inventions…
From Imaging Resource preview:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/olympus-e-m1/olympus-e-m1A.HTM
“As popular as the OM-D E-M5 has been, we think the E-M1 has if anything even more potential.”
“We think the Olympus OM-D E-M1 is poised to convert a lot of traveling pros to the Micro Four Thirds platform.”
+1
Did you notice the image of 40-150mm on Photoscala?
Looks quite big compared with the 35-100mm, more FT style.
yeah, it’s big but give me GAS !!! no miracle here: 50 % more focal = at least 50 % more size…it will be very expensive I presume, 1500 euros at least…I bet on 1800 euros
Wow that grip is ugly. The camera just looks weird. Hope the pictures will be better then em5.
From dpreview
Our experiences were fairly positive, but only when seen from a ‘DSLR trying to do live view’ perspective, since the situation is comparable (a camera trying to focus a PDAF-optimized lens, without a standalone PDAF sensor). Focus is usually acceptably fast, though anyone coming from an E-3 or E-5 is likely to find themselves disappointed, in comparison.The way see it is this: if you’re a Four Thirds lens owner and you’re expecting full DSLR performance, you’re going to be disappointed.
as expected by people with half a brain, the phase detect focusing is shit. Now what justifies the price over the GX7??
wheres stig ross and heinz?
More concerned about bush fires in the region at the moment.
ooooooof cooourse you are…
disappointing if true. Let’s hope final firmware will improve performance.
So that is so important to you that you have to post it twice?
its also just as wide and TALLER than the GH3. the 12-40 has a TON of fringing as shown on the ming thein photos. Baaaaaackpedal fangirls!…stig ross heinz? where are you with the backpedaling?
No its not, go to camera size, it is 3mm narrower and same height and most importantly 105 g lighter
Taller than the GH3 — yes, by 1mm. Just as wide — no, the GH3 is 3 mm wider. But the GH3 is 19mm FATTER.
Hahahahahahaha
THhe denial here is hilarious! 1mm? 3mm? Can you even see that? 19mm fatter? Yes where it matters, in the grip! And 19mm is not even an inch! Hahahahahahahaha
Accept it once and for all, after all that retarded criticism on the gh3s size the em1 IS JUST AS BIG. hahahahahaha
And that’s what I was waiting to hear.
One beautiful system? Nope. One compromised system. Hype and fancy new camera aside, this is a slightly improved EM5 with the ability to focus 4/3 lenses. Not so perfectly, apparently. Amazing how people drool over what is technically a camera playing catch-up.
I waited for release to see if they would support me as a long time, heavily-invested 4/3 user, and they disappoint me by handicapping my lenses, giving us ISO, Video, and Dynamic range other manufacturers had 3 years ago, and pricing it at a premium.
If I have to spend that much to go backwards, I may as well spend it going forwards with a company that actually doesn’t flip camera lines on their customers and stick them with a crippled model that can connect to an ipad. Yiptydoo!
You spend too much time with yoru panda…
Like many Four Thirds user who has sometimes many thousands of $’s worth of some amazing lenses they are not unfairly miffed at this especially after all the promises from Olympus. Dpreview are saying that C-AF etc will be disappointing for E-3 /E-5 owners this is not good news especially for the long tele nature and bird type photographers who have been stuck with 2008 sensors because Olympus bailed on them.
You should go hug your panda. That will make you feel better!
Not if he has thousands of dollars worth of some of the best lenses available from anyone, stuck on the 2008 12mp sensor because Olympus promised a cure and instead gave him a plaster. As a mFT only user my pre order is in but then I do not have any FT glass
I know all about frustration – I have been waiting for 4 years for a new body from which to hang my 4/3 lenses, including the 12-60. I think it’s a little early to jump to conclusions regarding AF performance. Let’s wait for some more user reports.
STFU already with your bullshit. Okay, autofocus is not as fast – but this has nothing to do with the GX7. Entirely different camera. Ridiculoustrolling is taking over this site, it’s fucking disgusting. I’m gonna take a break from comments till admin sorts this out.
sure, its bullshit when I say it, but the previous comments calling the GX7 a toy is ok. Why arent you tired of the hipocaracy instead? The oly fantardism is more focking ridiculous. Go and dont come back. STFU already with the whining, take the truth as it is:
-pdaf is as slow as dslr live view
-the camera is as big as the GH3 (something YOU critized)
-the GX7 has the same feature set for 400$ less.
You feel like I need to stop? when you feel the fantardism should stop in the non oly posts ill stop too.
True homer, I don’t mean to offend you, but you’re taking this thing as a holy crusade. Pana fans will always drool over Pana products as Oly fans over Oly’s products.
It’s not a war, nor a football match, just a system offering a wide range of choices.
Well That’s True Homer busted. Previously I have pointed out the 5-axis IBIS on an E-M5 was in fact good for 5 stops and so in low light had better noise performance than a FF because you could shoot at a much lower ISO than a FF user would have to do in order to have a shutter speed fast enough to avoid camera shake. I quoted an example where I got sharp results with a shutter speed of 1.6 seconds. He didn’t believe me so I posted an example. Being the deceitful POS he is, he claimed the EXIF said 0.7 sec.
So here we have Robin Wong putting the nail in the coffin of that nonsense with 2 second exposures.
The only low light advantage FF now has is where you need a fast shutter to freeze motion.
Olympus should really push this topic hard and advertise the E-M1 as only the second camera ever to include a built-in tripod.
The E-M1 is a winner. The E-M5 was Dpreview camera of the year in 2012 and the E-M1 will be camera of the year in 2013. Well done Olympus.
Say what you want, I have an exif reader and thats what it said about your craptastic photo.
How bout you being busted by saying pdaf was gonna be as fast as native glass? Or that it was gonna be smaller than a gh3?
Dpreview said it was dslr live view slow (pretty slow) and the specs put it just as big as the gh3. Plus you defended the 12-40 to death and it shows a ton of fringing on the em5. Buuuuuuuusted, wrong 3 for 3, you dont know sht about what your talking about.
Ok so you can pee further. You’re the king of the kindergarden.
Do you have a virtual honor to defend or what?
Its funny seeing fantards in denial twist and squirm at the truth
You have an ‘EXIF’ reader. Lying little ****. I used Photoshop Olympus Viewer 2, Graphic Converter and Pixelmator and they all confirmed what I said.
Which EXIF reader? Precisely which one (name and version number)?
Results that cannot be independently reproduced are no different to fiction.
So, put your mnoey where you mouth is and tell us what EXIF reader you used, so we can all verfiy the results.
What do you have to lose?
My browser has an exif reader that works fine for every other photo except yours? Yes thats what happened…
you’re taking things out of context. dpreview reviewer said that pdaf isn’t as fast with 4/3 lenses, not all lenses, as compared to native 4/3 bodies, but it is still an improvement upon previous m4/3 bodies
@ Narrutz You seem to be the only one who feels the need to curse because someone in the playground doesn’t like the same toys as you.
Will the CBG-10 be limited to Japan Only?
WTH!!! Really Oly, NO KIT IN USA. Was so ready to preorder. But it looks like the camera is coming out Oct. 14 and the lens Dec. 4 according to amazon, so maybe this is why there is no launch kit. I guess we get to just sit it out then until they kit it up.
There is a E-7 mockup shown in this Olympus youtube video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhnDXujCvWQ
It looks very compact compared to E-5.
I wish Olympus would bring it to the market as a final FT camera.
“…due for release by the end of 2014.” Oly, can’t wait so long for 40-150, I need tele so 35-100 wins.
I found a rumor that there will be two more lenses next year. A wid angle zoom and a long tele, probably 500mm.
Got a link?
Here:
Hope you can read Swedish
http://www.fotosidan.se/cldoc/olympus-e-m1-vadertatad-toppmodell.htm
Scroll down to “Fyra nya proffsobjektiv”
Thanks! It says an f/2.8 WA zoom is coming. I’d actually prefer a 9 or 10 mm prime, because I got 12 mm and up covered with zooms.
Yes ! a fast UWA prime please !
beautiful
http://www.photoscala.de/grafik/2013/olx-M.Zuiko-Digital-ED-2_840-150.jpg
Damn,.indeed,.looks so serious,.compared to Panny 35-100
Wow, you had something positive to say about Oly!!!! Go see a doctor, there must be something really wrong.
Ive said plenty of good things about oly, but the minute you say anything against oly around here youre instantly labeled and attacked.
Crap… just drooled on my monitor… 😉
looks huge (for a m43 lens)! I hope the lens won’t extend when zooming!
I’m afraid I will be losing more than 2000 € quite soon… That camera and the lens really look impressive. Since I am not into video shooting a lot, this might well be one of the last cameras I will buy ever.
cool cam but still no build in flash & panorama stiching. I dont get why?…
Because it is aimed at ‘pros’ who would likely use proper flashes and stitch their panoramas on a computer where there is more processing power available to do the job properly.
For anyone interested in such things.
The Camera Store TV (you tube) has a hands on review up of the E-M1 now. about 12 mins long.
I hardly believed you until I saw it myself. The Camera Store TV has had issues with Olympus in the past resulting in Olympus not sending them anymore products until they settled their pricing dispute. Glad to see they’ve kissed and made up.
Yep that’s how how it works around here anyone who tells the truth about any small issues is clearly lying.Whereas paid shills Wong,Thein are obviously telling the truth.
Just noticed it’s in the links above.
On the official specifications page it says: “Video: NTSC/PAL selectable”
http://www.getolympus.com/us/en/digitalcameras/omd/e-m1.html?icn=homepage&ici=billboards_em1
Does this mean that we have PAL video modes too?
To answer my own question, I just watched the Camera Store TV’s hands on review, and they confirmed what we already knew:
30fps only.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESOj56fWB8Q&t=10m18s
Nice review. Looks like a decent camera. But iso not that good. Its crippeld by its small sensor. A nex wich cost 350 euro would do much better.
A NEX wich costs 750 euro does pretty much the same at high ISO. Read DPreview test of E-M1. But it doesn’t have IBIS nor OSPDAF.
You mean NEX7. NEX3 is 350 euro and no they are not the same in high iso. And lets not even start talking about the fake iso numbers of EM5. Be real please.
Not the 7, but NEX-6 is in new DPreview comparison tool. And it has almost the same high ISO jpeg as E-M1 ( I can’t tell the difference ), which means Olympus has done a great job with the smaller sensor. I think 3n has the same sensor as the 6, but you should compare it to PM2 not M1.
As for real or fake ISO values, as long as other two exposure parameters are the same, I don’t care whether ISO values are artificially boosted in any way.
@Panasonic: PLEASE – Good / acceptable image stabilization in the GH5!
The new Olympus 12-40 just looks (and seems to be) gorgeous ^^.
(And the 40-150mm also is way more usable than the 35-100mm. At least for me.)
Bad news: “Focus is usually acceptably fast, though anyone coming from an E-3 or E-5 is likely to find themselves disappointed (DPReview)”
Good news: My E-520 and E-600 won’t retire. And they perform! Who shoots 12-60 in low light?
Great news: Probably NOT £1299 poorer. 🙂
Otherwise not at all bad as a stills camera!
Found this att Olympus Sweden:
Registrera dig och få kostnadsfria fördelar.
HLD-7 BATTERIGREPP UTAN KOSTNAD
Få längre fotograferingstider och ett stadigt och naturligt grepp för porträttbilder – UTAN KOSTNAD om du registrerar dig.
MMF-3-ADAPTER UTAN KOSTNAD
Är du redan en användare av Olympus E-System? Du får också en MMF-3 UTAN KOSTNAD för montering av dina Four Thirds-objektiv.
Translated to English it says:
Free HDL-7 if you register at Olympus and a free MMF-3 if you are an E-system user.
Could you provide a link please? What conditions/proof do they set to receive the MMF-3?
Here:
http://www.olympus.se/s/buy-OMD/sv_SE?olycmp=omdglb
Thank you 🙂
no focus peaking without electronic connection? c’mon Olympus, you’re missing the point there…
An absolute no go. That really is an aspect that makes me think about not to buy this camera.
Focus peaking works with any lens attached to E-M1 (or E-P5)
-p-
this is it ( from dpreview) ” continuous AF seems much improved (if not quite at Pro DSLR level)”
nice cherry picking Darko lol
DPreview
“Our experiences were fairly positive, but only when seen from a ‘DSLR trying to do live view’ perspective,”
“Focus is usually acceptably fast, though anyone coming from an E-3 or E-5 is likely to find themselves disappointed, in comparison.”
Yup. Firmware 1.0. Camera isn’t shipping yet. Maybe they’ll improve that a bit.
You should quote the whole part and put it into perspective:
Dpreview “However, if you want a camera that offers a considerable step up in image quality, that allows you to continue to take great images with your existing lenses and welcomes you into an impressive and growing new system, then you’ll be delighted.”
If Olympus really decided to “stop” 43 lenses production, see this as a transition towards m43 “welcome you into an impressive and growing new system”.
I like the way that in camera you can blend 8 shots on a long exposure to get rid of noise. Also the rolling shutter effect is mostly gone. Very important as a pilot due to seeing the prop in all the videos. Still undecided if I want to go up in size since I sold all my 43 lenses. If the put the new sensor in the EM5 successor that might be a bit better. However that 40-150 looks quite large.
I have used the similar Sony twilight mode and it works fine with static shots not so clever with moving subjects.
Looks nice ! but too expensive for me at the current price and menus will probably be horrible again. But in camera CA correction is a good surprise. I hope they will start to correct panasonic lenses as well (and in cheaper bodies too).
I wonder what is the size/price of the 40-150 : this looks like something worth saving for.
Roadmap is intresting
7-14mm? f? or wider? When?
12-40 f/2.8 available in October 2013
40-150mm f/2.8 in 2014\
150-350mm? f? How big it will be? When? equivalent 700mm? f4? f/5.6?
EM-1 looks perfect (only movie sucks).
Please Oly put the same technology into smaller body like GX7 (with EVF, even worse but in-built).
And please update EM-1 firmware and add better movies (25/50 especially). It is a big gap in Oly bodies.
ePHOTOzine writes the 40-150 will be released at the end of 2014? Is that true? Rumored was at the beginning of 2014 if I remember right.
Correct information is: during 2014.
the 40-150 looks like an interesting lens. and I really need dust and weather sealed lenses, my mFT 40-150 I have to send in to clean every half year because there is so much dust inside (also the 14-42 mFT, I’m glad that I don’t have these problems with the 12-50, even if the image quality could be better – but for that there will be the 12-40 😉 ) . just now I’m traveling, and after 3 days there appeard a very, very big dust particle behind the second front lens of the mFT 40-150 🙁
really good that Olympus seems to make now better zooms for mFT, that’s what I’m asking for since 2, 3 years…
but anyway, after I’ve read about the af performance of the E-M1, I have to think twice to buy more mFT Olympus equipment or to change to a DLSR with better af, even if camera and lenses would be more big and heavy… For traveling, mFT is very nice, but sometimes I wish the af would be better… good, I have time to think about until next spring 😉
and how can thephoblographer post so bad image samples made with the 12-40? do they know how to make pics? I don’t think so…
DPReview: “Our experiences were fairly positive, but only when seen from a ‘DSLR trying to do live view’ perspective.”
Come on, the more I think of it, if this is entirely true, the situation is like a tasteless joke was made. Because the promise was: “fully optimized”, “same performance as on 4/3 body”, etc.
Somebody mentioned somewhere in the Internet today that actually Panasonic GX7 was doing a better job with Zuiko 4/3 lenses. Anybody here with such experience? A serious choice is to be made by us, 4/3 lens owners, and we need reliable information.
Did you read to the end or you just wanted to quote that specific part that suits your biased vue?
DPReview says (full quote): “The way see it is this: if you’re a Four Thirds lens owner and you’re expecting full DSLR performance, you’re going to be disappointed. However, if you want a camera that offers a considerable step up in image quality, that allows you to continue to take great images with your existing lenses and welcomes you into an impressive and growing new system, then you’ll be delighted. Which isn’t to say the focus is bad – our first impressions are that the performance is consistent with Canon’s EOS 70D, which offers some of the best live view focus of a conventional DSLR. However, for the very best performance, the E-M1 should be used with Micro Four Thirds lenses.”
Did you notice that Olympus pushes a new set of PRO m43 lenses? Get it now? It’s a transition path from 43 towards m43: EM-1 allows FT users to use their (soon to be?) legacy lenses, even if it’s not optimal yet, and progressively switch to m43 PRO grade lenses.
4/3 is dead, forget about it
Olympus will release new micro43 lenses, will cover old 4/3 offer.
New micro43 PRO line (7-14, 12-40/2.8, 40-150/2.8, 150-350) will replace old TOP line (7-14/4, 12-35/2, 35-100/2, 90-250/2.8, 300/2.8).
EM-1 with average support of 4/3 is the last thing for 4/3. Zero resources for 4/3 in future. All workforce for micro43 and probably support for new Sony FF.
“Did you notice that Olympus pushes a new set of PRO m43 lenses?”
No, I didn’t notice? Did you?
The only reasonably good lenses for m43 Olympus have produced so far are primes. Being no physician etc., I still can suppose that it is physically impossible to replicate the high-grade 43 glass. Otherwise they would have done it. Had 4 years at their disposal.
Why would you expect a doctor to know anything about lenses?
I think you mean ‘physicist’, not ‘physician’. 🙂
You know, I’ll have to ask my ophthalmologist. (A physician and photographer.) Bet he’d know something…
OK, lapsus linguae. And it doesn’t help produce m43 lenses. I am following closely the developments and have made the conclusion that m43 mirrorless is simply not appropriate for many types of lenses, like those already produced in 43, especially zooms.
and last one: at dpreview at the comparison test the iq of the E-M5 up to ISO 1600 looks better then the iq of the E-M1…
The first test shots at default JPEG settings are typically very poor indicators of RAW performance look at how much NR is going on in the E-M1 high ISO shots. I would wait on RAW support and see what is really going on.Even if there is no significant advance in image quality { and I do not expect there to be} the camera has an excellent feature set certainly enough to get my pre-order in.
yes, probably it would be a nice camera, but I will never ever preorder a camera before there are not any serious reviews 😉
A shame they could not release the pro lens along with the camera :/
My 12-60 will have to do! 😉
30p
Why does Olympus not want my money 🙁
From DPReview: “Having used a selection of Four Thirds lenses on the E-M1, our assumption is that Olympus has disabled autofocus in video because the motor sounds are so loud.”
If true, this “feature” should be active only when using internal mic…
I never use af with video with my E-M5 because af is to bad with video…
Ming Thein, speaking about 43ds line: “I’ve been assured this isn’t dead, and an E-7 is in the works”. Interesting news for 43ds users!
Marco – We keep seeing this statement. Admin or someone needs to get to the bottom of this with Ming Thein.
I don’t trust Ming Thein. In his spec for the E-M1 he wrote thet it has 14 bit RAW, but Olympus says it’s 12 bit.
I assume Dpreview meant with “full DLSR performance” the superior focustracking of cameras like Canon 1Dx and Nikon D4, because most apsc and lowend FF dont have such great tracking as the recent AF shootout at FotoMagazin showed, they are just ok, and therefore better in that aspect then most mirrorless with CDAF only. If anyone expects
the same tracking performance from a 1500 euro body as a >5000 euro high end FF camera, then yes, disappointment is guaranteed.
There are plenty of APS cameras old and new with excellent C-AF and tracking from the 7D/D300s era to lower end models like the D7100 which are far better than any mFT so far.I have read the nonsense claims for a long time from Olympus mFT fanboys claiming all sorts of wonders about AF.I have the E-M5 and it is great in most ways but simply sucks for C-AF even with native glass with my FT glass it is laughingly bad those claiming comparability with high end DSLR have never used a DSLR C-AF where it matters
Before blabbering you should really read Don Parrot experiment with dogs and AF. OC for it to work it requires some precise adjustments, you probably ignore. Has to do with increasing contrast and processing speed.
V. Nice although the E-M1 probably gives top performance with no need for adjustments. But what to expect from Anonymouses? They should be exterminated like rats 🙂
Don’t exterminate Anymouses, we need them for scientific experiments…
Free HLD-7 on preorder and MMF-3 for E-System owners on olympus.fr:
http://www.olympus.fr/s/buy-omd/fr_fr?olycmp=omdglb
People have unreasonable expectations, 4/3 people even more so. I never partake of their Olympus of SHG, but my SG lenses AF was never to write about. Even, SHG had calibration issues, so not necessarily precise.
Despite this why DPR mentions ‘Live View’ speed when AF in case is PDAF? Are on sensor pixels less efficient than separate AF sensors?
Possibly RILEY is the only one that can clarify.
Seems to me that the main aim of CDAF+PDAF was CAF up to dSLR speed *with m4/3 lenses*. PDAF being an additional device, not a main one.
Other factor is linear motors. If I understand internal lenses are really levitating. No other prior mechanism can imitate that. If DPR thought it could, they are really innocent.
Quote: “Are on sensor pixels less efficient than separate AF sensors?” I don’t know how it really works, but if it mainly relies on software, it may be slower than a dedicated hard wired sensor device. Firmware is only version 1, maybe speed will improve a bit till full release.
I would love an “ingeneer’s” view on this subject, would change from the “this thing is to expensive” kind of post we see here 🙂
Yes it’s true: hard-wired device vs software. Software can be made faster tho, through good coding and faster processors. Even mobile phones have quad core cpus now, cameras (all brands) are sorely lagging behind. It’s funny the crap they flog as if it was gold.
now release those 1,5x and 2x converters after the 40-150mm f2.8
and then make 7-14mm f4, 150-300mm f4 or f5.6 😛
£1300 for a micro 4/3 body, you can buy a FF one for that.
Epic fail..looks nice enough but price is too high
Don’t care about FF ,OLYMPUS E-M1 is THE camera now.
OMG, these two new pro lenses (12-40 and 40-150 f2.8) give me a big GAS.
The 12-40 seems to kill the 12-35:
– 5 mm more focal at the end
– it looks better build
– 20 cm minimum focusing versus 25 cm
– true mechanical manual focusing with distance scale ! (I want that !!!)
– Better IQ ???? (if better that the 12-60 that sure !)
Can’t wait to see IQ comparison !
The pictures of the 40-150 give me GAS, even if it looks very big…
Only 6.5 fps with C-AF. EPIC FAIL!
have hdmi out?
Of course.
I was waiting for this E-M1 but today I’ve ordered GH-3. Just because of E-M1’s poor video codec. I don’t understand Olympus management 🙁
Video Schmideo….
Me too ;( I will have to buy GH3, it`s so sad
+1
I don’t use video that much, and when I do it’s not anywhere near ‘pro’ (or even amateur) standards, they’re short clips, a couple of minutes maximum, but I also can’t see why they didn’t seriously improve the video on the E-M1. I can see that a lot of people for whom video is an important part of their work will go for the Panasonic rather than this, which is surely bad news for Olympus?
I already own a GH3, so regardless of the video specs, I will be buying the E-M1 as a sidekick to my E-5, to control 4/3 & m4/3 lenses.
I wonder how much they improved continuous tracking focus capabilities, with the hybrid mode, for lenses like the 70mm f1.8?
I’ve ownered, used, and really enjoyed many Panasonic m43 cameras (gf1, gh1, gh2, gx1) but to date I have not owned an Olympus m43 camera. I think the E-M1 will change that…
My first was a Panasonic GF1….the flagship..then I owned that and a G3 etc..and then bought a GX1..I was all good and happy until I decide to sell my G3 and pick up a Olympus OMD and grip…whoa…turned me on my head..the quality of the build AND the files….just sold off my GX1 & LVF2 and picked up and E-P5 kit with VF4 and let me tell you brotha…Panny is in the past for me.
I made the right choice over the GX7..of that I am sure. OLympus is a camera company (no toasters)…and they no how to build cameras!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have no plans to buy the M1, though I think it is a great camera..am holding on to my OMD and my E-P5 for the time being..but hey…you will not be disappointed (except perhaps with the menus…but you just have a learning curve to get thru), ….I am sure the the M! will TOTALLY WOW you….and hey..how about all of this new glass coming down the pike!
I am getting my hands on the 14-40mm as soon as they are available.
Is it just me but doesn’t the styling of the fabulous 40-150mm remind you of Sigma’s latest 120-300mm offering?
That’s because Sigma make it. They also make most of the other Oly lenses as well as panasonic’s lenses, the NEX lenses and the aspherical elements in Leica lenses.
This was confirmed in a recent interview by Sigma’s CEO.
They are the world’s foremost consumer optical company and make some trully amazing lenses under their own and others names.
No free HLD-7 in Germany!? Are you kidding Olympus!!!
I noticed that too. The redemption is organized by Olympus Germany, but Germany is excluded from the country list. Surely it’s an oversight, no?
Also you can redeem an MMF-3 if you are a registered E system owner along with the HLD-7.
The caveat is, neither of them are free, you are paying ~200EUR above US/Japan prices even after you add Germany’s import/VAT with current conversion rates. Assuming you’re ok with that, the redemption is while supplies last. Ya right Oly, I’ll jump right on that.
No oversight, read terms! Add i talked to a de oly rep, who confirmed the policy.
Lack of proper built in flash kills it for me.
I’m more interested in that wide angle zoom and, most of all, if the OSPDAF will work with lenses mounted via Speed Booster.
I wonder if the E-M1 will offer full support for the FL-50R as far as the red light focusing beam (for low light situations) on the flash? like the E-5 did
The E-M1 is the camera I’ve been waiting for. I have a Sigma film camera, but I’ve never owned a digital ILC.
Should be fun! 🙂
Wow, the only thing I’m not super excited about is the lack of CF card. I will be saving for this camera.
More Spanish:
http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/olympus-e-m1-analisis-muestras,1_10020
http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/olympus-e-m1-om-d-12-40mm,1_10048
havent much time to check ..check the reviews/previews only quicly…
pics of Robin are so great that having the money I would buy immediately
but the “others” pics are in my eyes normal average
strange …
Olympus E-M1 and 12-40mm officially announced and officially rubbish!
Don’t trash it! Give it to me I’ll do it for you.
why?
Achtung DE,CH, AT 4/3user:
Ganz Europa bekommt den HDL7 UND MMF3 als registrierter User umsonst.
De,ch,at User nur den mmf3, nach Registrierung, bei Vorbestellung.
Typische Oly Schweinerei !
schreibt dem Support, euren Unmut …
“Typische Oly Schweinerei”
It is because of such comments that Oly makes you ingrates pay more. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
Just out of interest, is there no silver version?
I wouldn’t have thought so – it’s supposed to be ‘pro’, not a fashion accessory.
On the other hand, as they’ve crowded the mode dial with a bunch of soccer mom features… maybe they’ll bring a silver version out later.
See, this is what I figured – but in that case, why design it in a retro style? Why not like an m43 version of the E-5? I know a lot of people prefer this design style in silver. While it isn’t a fashion accessory it’s hard to deny this and other Olympus m43 cameras are designed to look stylish rather than functional.
Also admin has said before there’d be a silver version. It’s just out of curiosity really…
I am confused about the reviews. dpreview states the focusing is not that good. Admin whats the real deal?
@Scott My question exactly. Everyone else says PDAF is just as fast or faster with 4/3 lenses but DPreview says it’s disappointing. What’s the real deal?
Some of the negative reviews could well be due to not having a total knowledge of the available set up options & if you want to wait for more in depth reviews, different opinions should be made known & hopefully some honest feedback from early users.
I have the EM-5 and love it for a lot of uses but what makes me put it back in the bag at the end of the day and lug my heavy DSLR back out is for night shooting! If olympus would come out with an evf that would let you see at night for shots such as stars it would probably make me sell my heavy equipment. But for now when i want to shoot some dark night shots your night vision get blinded when you put your eye to the evf and still can not see anything unless there is some sort of bright street light or other light source to focus on. So for now i won’t go for the EM-5. Maybe in a few years when technology gets a little better they might convince me the EVF has advanced enough.
I have made night and stars pictures with the E-M5 without problems.. But if you read the DPreview review, the E-M1 by default has an auto adjustment of the finder to the ambiant light.
I found you couldn’t see stars in the viewfinder also, however, if you engage magnified view you can see some enough to focus by and the resultant images are great.