As you well know Leicas fixed lens cameras have been mostly “copies” of current Panasonic fixed lens cameras. Yet on June 11 Leica will announce a new Leica Q Full Frame fixed lens camera with 28mm f/1.7 lens. A few 43rumors readers asked me if the camera is made in collaboration with Panasonic and if there is a Panasonic version coming. Well, I have not heard a word about that. I have been told the next camera to be announced should be the FZ300 and after that the G8.
via Digicameinfo and Mirrorlessrumors.
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GX8 ?
Why no Panasonic? Simple, they do not make full frame cameras .
Maybe they will one day!!
Leica Q FF camera? First time I hear of that.
Anway, Panasonic and Oly will probably never release a fixed lens FF camera, unless they introduce a FF system camera first. They both market m43 as a system that can go toe-to-toe with APS-C or even FF, so introducing a FF fixed lens camera would be disingenious.
After that the GX8, maybe.
BTW, it’s very unlikely for Panasonic to release an MF only camera.
Who says it is MF only? Anyway, made by Leica, not Panasonic.
E.g. Hungarian site Pixinfo also speaks about manual lens.
On mirrorless rumors you can find more pictures of it, and you can see what’s written on the lens.
You might be right, there is an AF mark on the lens.
“You might be right”. Is that how you lose an argument? Stubborn fool. You are wrong, were wrong several times in your assertion that its manual focus only. Be a man and just admit you were wrong and don’t blame anyone or anything else.
Sorry for my poor English, but – as far as I know – the “You might be right” does mean exactly that I admit that the partner is right hence I’m wrong. And – repeat – a serious Hungarian site also have sustained the the lens would have no AF, so my mistake is more than forgivable.
No, it does mean the somebody MIGHT be right, that there is still some reasonable uncertainty. The problem is, there cannot be any reasonable uncertainty at this moment anymore.
I MIGHT 😀 be wrong again but usually English people avoid sentences having 100% certainity. Not sure, maybe due to their excessive politeness.
And usually ‘English’ people say ‘you might be right’ when their position has been proven untenable but they don’t want to admit it. If nothing is ever 100% sure, then nobody can ever be wrong because you never know.
Let me ask you: When was the last time you have seen an ‘AF’ mark on a lens that doesn’t support autofocus? This is not a game of who guessed right, this is about applying simple logic. I have no problems with people guessing but I do have a problem with people dismissing logic as a lucky guess.
Yes, you do have a problem… you are a logic freak and a time waster…
This is a very strong, but still just circumstancial evidence. A direct evidence would be to try whether this AF position really does what’s supposed to do. But anyway this debate is pointless: as far from being native speaker I can make such mistakes. Sorry for doing it.
What do you mean by MF only? Manual focus? The Q has auto focus and can switch to manual focus. Medium Format? It has a “full frame” sensor.
No, it has just a manual lens.
No it has AF.
Right, I’ve also noticed it.
I think Leica have two current models made by Panasonic and three current fixed lens made by Leica, this would make four.
Seems to be a new sensor plus 3.6m dot EVF, touch screen… an actual truly modern Leica!
Yup. Iso up to 50.000, a new Maestro II “engine”, let’s see how the new lens delivers and what the final price will be. If < or = 4000 euros I might consider of getting one..
M A N U A L L E N S
And? That would be even better personally, but the new X does a nice manual focus unlike most fixed lens focus by wire cameras.
Can you read AF on the lens? That you can use it in manual focus also, is not a surprise. And there’s no need to “shout”…
Same, though hoping for $4000 or less AUD.
Too many taxes here.. But let’s see. I’m really curious. At first I was somehow disappointed by the 28mm lens, but I think it’s better than the 35mm for reportages.
What I don’t like so much is the 1/2000 sec max shutter speed, probably due to the leaf shutter (which, as a pro, would allow an almost silent shutter)
Yeah will see! 28mm f1.7 is good IMO, can crop probably to APS-H 35mm @ ~16MP. Likely to have no AA filter.
3.68 million dots EVF? I would like that for the GX8 🙂
Let’s just hope it isn’t 3.6m ‘equivalent’ phase sequential rubbish.
The lens external design is very similar to that of the Panaleica 15, so perhaps Panasonic is making it after all. F/1.7 is not very common at Leica, either. The body, however, is probably made in Germany.
Oh, and Admin – why not accept that Panasonic and Olympus are committed to m4/3 and nothing else? Those wild FF aspirations on this site are misplaced, I’m afraid. I believe there are other manufacturers who offer such systems and they are by no means under-represented on the web. Personally, I think that Olympus is likely to develop a medium format system one day, but that of course has nothing to do with 4/3.
‘why not accept that Panasonic and Olympus are committed to m4/3’s and nothing else?’ – So why do Panasonic make 1/2.3″ cameras, 1/1.7″? 1″? 1.2″ or whatever the LX100 is? It’s a FIXED lens camera, sensor size has no bearing on their system camera’s sensor size!
It was a general comment/query. Not specifically related to the Leica Q.
And yet the same ‘problem’ comes up when talking about a possible ‘Trip D’. I know that some m43’s zealots think that m43’s is the messiah format, but it is possible that there are alternatives, especially among fixed lens cameras and especially as neither Oly nor Panasonic MAKE a fixed lens camera in m4/3’s format it seems like they are not wholly and solely m4/3’s, but they ARE for system camera’s.
Yes they do. The LX100 is essentially a fixed-lens MFT camera.
Nope. It never has an image circle of m43’s.
Why not though?
M43 has hit a 16mp wall a few years ago. It’s not going to get better. Better players have also enter the Mirror less arena, and it’s only a short time before the 2 headed monster takes mirrorless seriously.
In my opinion, it’s only a matter of time before Panasonic makes that jump. Problem is, Olympus can’t afford to.
We’ll see 24mp soon enough in M33 but agree that Panasonic and Olympus should do a fixed lens, compact, mirrorless FF
24mp 43 sensor??
My Gosh… If you though the 43 sensor was noisy enough….
no surprise,and i wait gx8 specs.
A megacharged GM5 15mm combo.
I’d love a 50mm FF version
There are rumors of an M mount or possible M/T mount version one the horizon.
That would be a logical progression, similar to what Sony did. I think Leica offering EVF and Auto-focus lenses would widen its appeal a lot. only thing is… they have the Leica T APS-C ILC already.
The rumour said that this new camera would probably be T mount, but FF with a digital rangefinder. Works with M mount with adapter like the T (but I guess RF coupled).
I’ll take 35mm, thanks! ?
35mm probably makes the most sense if they do only one model. But with 28mm announced, I’d like 28, 50 and 90mm models. Or 21, 35, 90mm.
Leica makes a number of their X series fixed lens cameras that have no relations with any Panasonic cameras. Just because some D-lux cams exist that doesn’t mean this stretches over to ALL their foxed lens cams.
Exactly. There are far more cameras in their lineup made by Leica than panasonic. There are more Leica branded products in the Panasonic range than there are rebadged Panasonics in the Leica range.
Leica T isnt rebadged Panasonic either. Probably cause quality of lens for that thing is something Panasonic can only dream about. Only thing sad is that sensor in it could been used better (classic Sony 16 mpix APS-C, but not state of the art electronics, so not-that-great output). Still amazing “little” thing tho..
Except for one Four-Thirds DSLR, all Leica-branded Panasonic cameras had and have effective sensor sizes smaller than 4/3. And except for the most recent D-Lux, these were either 1/2.3 or 1/1.7″ sensors.
Everything from APS-C upwards has been pure Leica (the four X models, the T plus of course the M and S models). Since the Q sits even higher than the X models, it being Leica-only is pretty much a given.
Panasonic or Olympus coming out with a FF camera is pretty much a pipe-dream akin to the rumours over 7+ years of Nikon coming out with a MF camera.
Nothing wrong with Panasonic releasing a FF camera as long as they come up with a way to miniaturize its lens down to m43 size (sacraficing lens’ speed, most likely).
“…the next camera to be announced should be the FZ300 and after that the G8.”
G8?! We just got the G7. Doncha mean the GX8?
Just a typo. Should be the GX8 in a few months.
My opinion is that Panasonic/Leica got inspired by the recent mirrorless camera/lenses coming out of Sony/Zeiss. I assume Leica is paying close attention to Zeiss (Loxia and Batis) and maybe Leica wants in on the party.
The Leica Q is a premium niche product to test the market, very similar to the Sony RX1. Due to its premium nature I doubt there will be a Panasonic version of it.
Nevertheless I would not be surprised if Panasonic comes with an A7 competitor in the next 1-2 years and pairs it with Leica branded or even Leica manufactured lenses.
I totally agree. Their strategy of past couldn’t have been a successful one—Panasonic should let Leica have that premium niche.
I know the idea of m4/3 evolving to integrate full-frame stirs emotions of many frequenting this blog, it makes sense for both Panasonic and Olympus to build an “ultimate shooting machine.”
Any rumor involving a FF Pana camera is pretty much fantasy, and a bad one.
I do love the Pana-Leica collaboration and the products it produces. What a dead ringer the PL 15mm summilux is to this 28.
i am not found any leak info about gx8,
but on image sensor world saw update 1.12um pixel.
https://www.tpsemico.com/technology#cis
If Panasonic was to follow Leica and this new camera, I would leave my Fuji kit and sell the remaining M43 kit. Every last bit of it. Even my beloved 20mm and P/L25mm.
I’m sure Panasonic is watching what sony does… always have. I’m sure they have something up their sleeves.
No one cares what you say or do, MrALLCRAP.
If the Video is ho-hum then perhaps Panasonic was not involved and it will remain a Leica only product. But if the video performance and great then it will smack of Panny involvement and a possible Panny twin people can afford coming out soon 🙂
Compact, fixed lens FF cameras seem like a very good idea to me — an evolution of the concept that shaped Fuji’s current lineup and strategy in APSC. Doing this would be in addition to, not instead of M43 for Panasonic and Olympus.
I hope they do it Sigma DP style, with wide, normal and tele versions.
If the Sony RX1 had come with a great integrated EVF it would have been not only an engineering triumph but a commercial/mainstream one as well
Tear a page out of the joint-exercise playbook and upsize the LX100 to, say, an LX500? Sounds like a great idea to me! But because it is Leica, I will skip the part about inspired lust because I don’t have a rich uncle. The price would have to be right: at the edge of what I can afford, not a mile beyond.
You aren’t willing to take out a second mortgage on your house in order to buy a quality camera? How very Philistine of you.
Well, the Leica Q has a fixed focal length lens. And the Sony a7Rii has all kinds of goodies to make the rest of the full frame world obsolete. What next? A BSI-type FourThirds sensor anyone? Everybody say “earthquake!”