The CameraStoreTV team testes a production GH4 and posted that final impression video. Definitely worth to watch! And CameraLabs also posted plenty of video and image samples.
Editor’s note: Some people did complain that I talk to much about the GH4 lately. Well guys, this is the only new MFT cameras we got the last 6 months and the only new camera to come is the E-Pl7 (with same E-M10 specs). So there is really not a lot to talk about on the Olympus side. And the GH4 is really a unique camera it’s really interesting (at leats for me) to talk about. But this will change soon guys, within the next couple of weeks I will start with the Photokina rumor work. And there will be some surprises 🙂
North American preorders, shipping date and price:
GH4 camera at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, Ritz Camera and Panasonic. Price: $1,698. In Canada at Vistek.
GH4 camera with interface unit at Adorama and BHphoto. Price: $3,298
Interface unit only at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto and Panasonic. Price: $1,998
Europen preorders, shipping date and price:
Germany: Wexcameras, Marcotec-shop.de.
UK at Wexphotographic, CameraWorld, UKdigital, CVP, TipTop.
Holland at Fotohanskeuzekamp.
Belgium at Fotokonijnenberg.
Norway at Fotovideo.
Sweden at Cyberphoto, Skandinavianphoto.
Finland at Telefoto, Topshot, Verkkoauppa.
France at Photocineshop.
Spain: Fotoboom.
Asian preorders, shipping date and price:
Digitalrev and Digidirect Australia.
4K cards
Kingston 16-32-64 GB SDHC UHS-I Speed Class 3 at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here) and BHphoto (Click here).
Sandisk 16-32-64 GB Extreme PRO SDXC UHS-II Memory Card at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here) and BHphoto (Click here).
Transcend 64-128 GB High Speed 10 UHS-3 at Amazon (Click here) and BHphoto (Click here).
Panasonic 16-32-64 GB SDHC-UHS-I U3 Card (90MB/s) at Adorama (Click here) and BHphoto (Click here).
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Ahh, should I sell my GH3 and buy a GH4 – still umming and ahhing…
That was my first thought, as well, but then I took a few days to reflect on it calmly and I reached the conclusion that no, I don’t need to upgrade. I use the camera mostly for stills, and the GH3 is still a perfectly capable camera, and will continue being so for months if not years. Enjoy it until it really can’t give you what you need anymore.
If that has happened already, however, go ahead and replace it! My 2 cents! 😉
GH4 is an improvement over the GH3, at least in all appearances. At least so far I can read.
Questions are:
1) is your GH3 broken? Does it deliver and get the job done?
2) will you value and appreciate the difference?
3) will seizure mind?
4) can you reasonably afford the switch?
You answer for yourself 😉
1) No. Yes.
2) Yes.
3) ?
4) Yes-ish.
Hence on the fence for upgrading!
3) a notorious equivalence troll
😉
It’s ok admin, we (still photographers) know that you are WAY into your video and can’t help gushing about the GH4 like it is the new love in your life. We get it. We know you will come off your pink cloud soon! We most sincerely hope you are enjoying the ride! 🙂
What a stupid comment!
What a stupid comment!
Though you post as a “LiarsBrigade” . . . you are only ONE PieceOfSh*t. You DON”T speak on behalf of “still photographers” . . . you don’t even speak for ONE “photographer” . . . in fact you wouldn’t make a pimple on a paparazzi’s a$s.
The Panasonic GH4 will sell like hotcakes and take ALL those sales directly from Canon’s overpriced, under-performing EOS D1 . . . . and you can wail and flail, flame and troll, and light your farts till your eyeballs roll . . . .and you will accomplish NADA . . . ZILCH . . . . In proportion to your “talent”.
WOW …Truth (NOT) and Eno…SO MUCH ANGER????… at a tongue-in-cheek comment that I posted just to make people laugh…LOL!!! Gow up and get lives already…LMAOROTF!!!
You are in your right admin.I simply dont like video at all.so gh’s arent for me
See above.
Kesztio: buy youself a dozen of this video things. I prefer an GM1 or ep or omd-5 or 10 instead of pay for a super-video cam.
Hmm… and how much do you think it would cost a MFT camera with high quality, ergonomical body with weather sealing, 12 Fps, ultra fast AF, high quality EVF and LCD etc. but no video at all? Maybe at most 2-300 EUR cheaper than the GH4?
Interesting that all the people think about video when GH4 comes in discussion. However the GH4 is the first professionally usable MFT still camera due to its focusing system, finally close to beasts like 5DmkIII or 800E.
Plus 12 fps…
Indeed.
Not all professionals need fast AF. Professional landscape and portrait photographers can certainly get by with both the E-M1 and E-M5, as well as the GH3 and GX7.
The quick AF test in the dark made by Gregg and posted here the other day was pretty revealing for me in the AF claims – because everyone always claim they have the fastest, but that test in the dark was really something.
‘And there will be some surprises.’ Ah, just what the doctor ordered.
A camcorder pretending to be a camera. Marketed as a DSLR. Catered to the 2%…
PANNY ALREADY FAILED WITH ANOTHER G-LINEUP.
TEY AGAI.
bore off
Attention, it smells like troll in the air!
eff off
> It can shoot stills.
Blasphemy!!
Yes, if you extract them from the gorgeous 4K video, it shoots continuously 9 MP stills, 24 times a second, until your card is full LOL.
I agree with the Camerastore guys, the photo IQ and AF, plus the best video of any ILC make the GH4 arguably the finest M43 camera to date. Just sold my 5d3 to go mirrorless – the A7 is my new FF portrait/landscape camera, the GH4 will cover my commercial video jobs and be my second stills cam with the 12-35.
No offense meant, the 5D3 and its system were never for you if you gave them away for an A7. It’s like apples and oranges.
@Admin — the GH4 saturation coverage is no problem, given the circumstances. But if new news / rumors come out w.r.t. the Oly 40-150mm lens, please do share them. If memory serves, the lens was billed as being ready for release “later” in 2014 — so maybe one of Oly’s Photokina items?
I personally think it’s about time we discuss another company other than Olympus in this forum. Yes, there is post here and there about other things but it seems by far and away Olympus centric. I’ve felt for a long time that Panasonic has gotten short shrift in this forum. Especially when it comes to the still photography capabilities of the Lumix system. Case in point, about a week ago I produced a series of pictures showing the immense changes in the capabilities of the new GH4 in Predictive AF. 43rumos was kind enough to announce the post with a small, barely noticeable link, here it is: “Review of GH4 DFD Predictive AF Capabilities by Naturalexposures” but they offered no encouragement to the readers regarding how revolutionary and positive this new AF system is. It’s without a doubt a game changer for the world of mirrorless cameras and Micro Four Thirds in general.
I’ve used both Olympus and Panasonic and without question Panasoinc is much, much easier to use, produces equal or better image quality and is moving faster than any camera company I’m aware of to offer professional tools. More photographers need to give them a serious look.
More photographers should realize that gear is gear and what’s better for you could not be so good to someone else..
Marco, agreed, gear is gear but when a company is doing good things it should be noted AND promoted. If they are not rewarded they will figure nobody cares. Panasoinc is a behemoth that can drive the technology like nobody else other than maybe Canon or Sony. Sony has some great products but it just seems like Panasoinc has a better handle on consistency, staying focused (No pun intended, by not producing lots of different sensors, lenses for many different camera models.) Panasoinc reminds me of how Nikon used to be regarding quality, good tech with a purpose not just tech for tech sake. I want to see Panasoinc succeed and to do that we all have to give their gear a fair shake. I’ve been absolutely floored at the features Lumix cameras have that REALLY work. Great touch screen tech, 4K video on an SD card, the new Depth From Defocus, razor sharp optics like the new 42.5 Leica, Wireless strobe technology and on and on. This company needs to be encouraged and if you try their gear you will see they are doing a fabulous job.
I think each system has its own pro, from handling, to hardware features, to aesthetic appeal. What some people an’t understand is that this is not a football match and not all of us are crazy hooligans. Olympus vs Panasonic? That’s the most silly thing in photography along with Nikon vs Canon and hasselblad (r.i.p.) lunar & co. It’s not a matter of who is doing better at what. It’s all here for us users/buyers. I prefer Olympus IBIS but my fav lenses are Voigty17.5mm, PanaLeica25mm, PanaLeica42.5mm. When in theater or on the red carpet I use MZuiko75mm. The “problem” is that both Panasonic and Olympus should appear more on magazines
I think the writing is on the wall as to when we will see more images being published by these diminutive but very powerful systems. It’s already happening in my work and the magazines we cater to. Good chatting with you and be well.
I couldn’t have said it better myself. Panasonic is doing the big things and the little things right. I see more and more pro shooters (like yourself) incorporating Panasonic products into their workflow, either as a primary or secondary system. The shift is still kind of quiet, but it seems like its coming. I really think that with the increasing primacy of hybrid and web based content (where Panasonic is miles ahead of anybody), we will turn around in 2 or 3 years and the big 3 will be Canon, Nikon and Panasonic.
Well I think Nikon and Canon will be out of the game.
IMO it will be Panasonic/Olympus and Sony
Daniel . . . You are so RIGHT! Panasonic makes FABULOUS cameras. Not to say that they are perfect, or better than others, but Panasonic is definitely a technology leader and putting serious competitive pressure on ALL other camera makers.
Panasonic, Olympus and Leica have given M4/3 serious credibility and top-notch quality.
I have the GX7, E-M5, and GH3. They are ALL loads of fun to use and OUTSTANDING picture taking machines. I am scarcely able to choose between them. Owing to my love of HD Video, I am very excited about the GH4 and have NO DOUBT that Panasonic will change photo/videography with cameras like the GH4 and GX7.
BTW, I do believe that m4/3 shooters have more fun and incorporate our cameras into our daily lives better than FF users who are growing increasingly defensive about their monstrous gadgets.
43 Rumors have been taken over by the Olympus Fanboys. They refuse to believe that there is another camera better than the OMD.
Whenever there is positive Panasonic news, in come the Olympus Defense Force. Too much Panasonic news? The O.D.F . Strikes again.
Sad fact is, most photogs, especially the ones (or wannabes) here, refuse to give credit to Panasonic, EVEN THOUGH if it wasn’t for Panasonic, no one would be even talking about M43!
rabid, in-denial fanboys… that’s all they are..
I’d even wager, the TOP 3 M43 lenses sold and used are Panasonic Lenses!
give credit where credit is due and stop the Hate.
Hah, ODF.
I can’t believe there were people complaining. It’s still a m4/3 camera, and a very nice one at that!
Why not throw some rumors then, if you already have something to share?
If he had, he would, don’t you think? Internet doesn’t know how to be patience, he is probably double checking before posting, just wait, Photokina won’t come sooner just because of rumors anyway.
Well, the way to go is to gather a nice amount of visitors with a “hot” topic and then post a topic with links to deals. The fact that the website is called 43rumors should indicate that most of topics are rumors. I understand that some weeks can be slow, but it’s also true that Admin (and other xyzrumors websites) rate rumors from 1 to 5. Lately there have been only 4 and 5 rumors, while in the past we visitors could discuss upon 2 or 3 rated rumors. I simply miss those days.
I understand that, I also think that if you have a FT2 or FT3 you can post it but sometimes I think that if they can easily be upgraded to FT4, they will wait. And other times I think that FT2 or FT3 that don’t become reality have generated some heated hating in rumors sites and that could also be an explanation of why they are avoinding it more amd more lately. I’ve seen hating even on FT4 with some minor changes. I would still post the FT2 and FT3 though, if people can’t deal with something not becoming reality it’s their problem for not understanding that it’s a rumor site, but I understand their approach.
Well imo, if you don’t have the ball than leave the game.
A rumor site should spout …rumors, what else…
Soon we will have rumours for rumours. 43rumorrumors.com, and of course, Nikonrumorrumors.com
The m43rd system attained maturity a while back. It is the GH4 that is the biggest news in the m43rd front with its 4K and all.
I wish Panasonic could make the IBIS work in video for the next GX and it would be even more compelling if it was also packed with GH3’s video capabilities. The GH4 already have plenty of feats to differentiate itself, even in video mode, so it wouldn’t hurt to have a GX with the 50mbps IPB codec and that would certainly make it a much more attractive product.
No video camera with a big sensor has IBIS, this has been discussed 100 time already, there are overheating issues involved.
Yeah, but they obviously do not know a thing about physics. More mass at the sensor actually helps keeping it steady…
Get a life, you won’t get IBIS on big sensor cameras, not in the near future!
Sony Alpha 99?
Thanks, but I have a life and also I dont need IBIS on a big sensor camera.
I am just saying it is possible.
The GX7 already has IBIS, how come it can’t have a IBIS? I do know that the GH4 doesn’t have IBIS because of 4K and overheating issues, I’ve no problem with that since Panasonic doesn’t have the money to come up with a new form factor and it wouldn’t worth also because Panasonic doesn’t have the IBIS tech at the same level as Olympus – but when they do, they should come up with a new form factor and put IBIS on it. The GX line up is not a video oriented line up, so they can compromise recording time in order to have IBIS working in video if necessary. Bottom line, if the E-M1 and E-M5 have IBIS and shoot in video, there is not much to discuss here, clearly.
Because most buyers for the GH4 won’t need it for stills, they’ll shoot mostly Video.
Olympus video Sucks. That’s why they can use ibis. I don’t know why you even bring up Olympus video quality. That’s like showing up to a gunfight with a rubber band around your fingers.
Besides, most zooms from Panasonic comes with is built in them.
Dear Mr. ALLSTUPID,
Who is bringing up Olympus’ video quality you crazy? Oh, fanboys are so dumb that they need a class just for reading problems.
First, all I did was to show the guy that IBIS and video is possible in a m4/3 camera, just that. WTF are you talking about?
Second, the reason to have IBIS is so you can use legacy lenses and Speed Boosters. That’s an amazing feat. Moreover, the Olympus’ video in the E-M1 is not bad, EOSHD made some tests and there is improvements there, it’s just that they still lacks more framerates, no record time limit, etc.
Actually the GH4 has the same form factor as the GH3 so pros don’t have to interrupt their workflow when they upgrade, and can continue to use the GH3 as a second body easily, without having to shift gears for different controls or settings. That is just one of the small ways Panasonic is catering to pros, not enthusiasts. They could generate a lot more attention on the web with a shiny new look, but a pro shooter appreciates being able to grab either camera and just shoot without having to think about where a certain button is. They are doing the big things AND the little things right.
Yeah, that’s true but Panasonic simply don’t have money to spend on extras. If they had, they would had done a multi aspect sensor just like the GH1 and GH2, so the 4K would have no extra crop and actually it would have less crop, 1.86x. But they can’t make a sensor just to be used in one line up. Just to be clear, I’m not criticizing Panasonic for not having IBIS on the GH4 since IMO it wouldn’t be worth as it’s now, but I hope that they can develop the tech so in the future people can have it together with the 4K – and less crop with it.
IBIS is certainly a nice feature. Very well implemented on Olympus bodies, but warranty issues if you clean your own sensor really make me hesitate. I just can’t afford to have a camera down for a week or two (or longer) just for a cleaning. So, I’m not completely sold on IBIS benefit over OIS (although I love some of those tiny Olympus lenses!) Besides, I shot stills for years without stabilization, and with 4k video its no issue at all to just shoot a little wide and stabilize in post.
I mean a week or two if I send it to Olympus for cleaning…
But there are some situations in which post processing Image Stabilization is not so great. OIS is handy but I have adapters and legacy lenses and those would pair up pretty well with IBIS – even more with Speed Booster. But I understand your POV although I’ve never had any big issue with that.
Sony A77 has bigger sensor and IBIS for Video. Why this nonsense everybody is repeating about overheating.
I hate to say it, but for a pro, Panasonic is the only company in m43 doing exciting things these days. No offense meant to the EM1, its a fine camera, but the frequent QC issues (12-40 mount, rear dial issues on the EM1), and the non-respone about those from Olympus gives one pause. Also, aside form being the first Olympus m43 camera built that actually has good ergonomics, unless you need 43 back compatibility, its a pretty run of the mill camera. The EPL7? The EM10? Both are decent consumer gear. Very pretty, with poor ergonomics. On the other hand, the Nocticron, the GH4, the PL15 (if we ever see it), this is gear people can get excited about (especially a pro)! And Panasonic’s quick response to the sound issue on the GH4? Great job. It inspires confidence. So keep talking about Panasonic. They are hitting home run after home run, and working pros are paying attention!
Trolling again??? Trying to fan the flames between Panny & Oly??? Let’s see . . . you think you’re smarter than all of us and can niggle and nag us to fight amongst ourselves over your silly-sh*t. Aren’t you clever. We are all just waiting for you to fart and giggle, funny man. Talk about YOUR “Pro” gear for a moment and we’ll all rip you a new one.
“Professionally” speaking, NOBODY gives a flying fu@k what you think, CHUMP. The only “Pro” you are familiar with is the Prophylactic Mouth Dam. . . . . Yours is leaking . . . Splfffflapfttterr. Suc Kit.
!2-40 mount has no problems as a big rental company has pointed out. GH4, which is high on my list too, seems to have some issues with the FW though. EM1 to my mind is not riun of the mill. 5 axis IBIS ROM? Its weathersealing is unsurpassed at that pricepoint, not ROM. The EVF is only eclipsed by X-T1, same thing: not ROM. Great controls. Only letdown is the video. Which is important to me. Hence GH4. And I hate the Oly menusystem, like the panny one much more. I have EPl5 and Gh2 so can compare.
The EM1 does have a great EVF. And yes it has great controls. I prefer the GH ergonomics, but like I said its the first Olympus to offer good ergonomics. But that is only a big deal in light of the fact that Olympus has had really, really bad ergonomics since they left 43 for m43 (although the EP series are decent, but not great). 5 Axis IBIS was from 3 years ago, and has drawbacks. Namely heat dissipation which leaves the camera crippled with horrible video capabilities. “Weather sealing unsurpassed at its price point”? I really don’t want to parse if its weather sealing is marginally better than the GH3s (or not, I’ve never seen any tests), but is that supposed to be the big feature the EM1 brings? And even if we disregard the 12-40 complaints (which based on the number of early reports I hesitate to do), I see too many complaints about Olympus QC (rear dial on the EM1, buttons popping off, rear bezel on the EM5) to dismiss the issue so easily. Forgive me, Im not sure what FW stands for, but Panasonic was quick (immediate) to respond about the sound issue and said they are working on a fix. For me that inspires confidence. Like I said, the EM1 is a fine camera, just not really that exciting.
He’s a troll. He hates Olympus and Panasonic, Sony & Fuji. He is simply trying to start a flame war within M4/3. Don’t let him use you.
Buy whatever gear you want be proud of your decisions. Don’t look for approval from a psychotic snake.
Overreact much?
Just shining some light on your crap.
I hate to tell you, If you have issue with someone thinking Panasonic is leading the way in m43 you are in for a bumpy ride. For a few months at minimum, likely longer. My view that Panasonic is the one creating the products pros are interested in is shared by many.
When MR at Luminous Landscape reviewed the GH4 he finished by saying “I’m buying two, for creating my content”. You don’t find a stronger recommendation than that, and that is the kind of reaction Panasonic is getting from a lot of working pros these days. Sorry if it bothers you, but its actually good for m43 in general.
I’m down with that. No argument about the GH4. You can sing its praises with your Halleluja Chorus one minute, then login as 6 different lying trolls and trash the hell out it without missing a beat. The ONLY cameras you don’t trash are Canikons.
You don’t have any credibility. Too many aliases with schizophrenic persona’s – too much inflamatory trash talk, too much “physics” and FF nonsense. You’ve worn out your ability to hide behind so many aliases.
Yes the GH4 will be a runaway best seller. I will have one myself, but you will not. You won’t be celebrating the smashing success of the Panasonic GH4 with us, you will be flaming and ranting as usual.
I realise no pros would use it, but I was a bit disappointed to see continuous focus in video mode (from the Camera Store TV review here) seems no better than the GH2.
People tend to laud the Sony DSLT cameras for having great continuous video autofocus due to always being able to use phase detect. Since Panasonic have phase detect pixels on the sensor the provide for the EM1, it isn’t possible to do something similar for the GH4, or a big difference between phase detect on sensor vs more traditional kind?
Just curious, as I don’t think Panny include phase detect for their cameras yet, but I guess that’s another question mark for me too…
I think you are mistaking me for someone else. I’ll admit to being a big admirer of Panasonic’s recent home runs, but thats about it.
LOL…wow!!
Look gorilla-brain, there is more than one here who enjoys making fun of you nerds and your plastic toys. Is it that hard to grasp?
PS I tried a MD10 last weekend, I thought, meh but OK for 300 USD/ 220 EUR with kit lens. I laughed when I saw the actual price.
Yeah I do that when I see those Canon/Nikon toys, I think duh… should be €99,-, but then I laugh when I see the price of those (f)actually PLASTIC toys.
Mine are metal, but I also had a proper education and come from a civilised family. So we cannot really enter a debate, no, not really I am afraid.
Those toys are not for you Bollix. Get a big one to worth every penny.