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Another source shared a good and a not so good news. The Panasonic G7 will have 4K but very likely no DFD focusing system. He has no info about the 4K bitrate. The FT5 specs so far are:
– Panasonic G7 announcement in mid may
– 16MP sensor (same as th one used by the GX7
– 4K recording
– no DFD
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Don’t mind not having DFD but please – anyone – where tha *uck is my Nokton 10,5mm?!
That is the most interesting question on the page! Panasonic G7…who cares…. 🙂
Well, with no DFD in all but flagship models Panasonic clearly states that the only series really targeted to either professionals or serious amateurs is the GH.
Bye G7, keeping G5 in everyday work and waiting for GH5.
I managed just fine without DFD for ages. It’s great, but it’s not “the dog’s nobs” – of course that depends on why you want/need it so much.
no need to wait for gh5, there is the gh4 for dfd 🙂
You don’t know him ?
He is a fan of G series camera .
GH is not for him .
Can’t you read?? He said he’ll be waiting for the GH5, specially for DFD. Read carefully next time.
Although no confirmation about no DFD but GX7 sensor is still much ahead than what you are holding , a G5 .
Even a GX1 beat G5 without doubt here .
what reason to DFD,it still support only 3 lens,14-140II,12-35/2.8 and 35-100/2.8
yeah,and others m4/3 lens use contrast AF as the same,oh i miss something new 240fps readout lens-tunning Focus like GF7. 🙂
Can’t you smell it ?
He is desperate in taking his dog action photos .
G5 not always can deliver .
Why don’t you just let him do it with DFD .
Negative.
Two very important lenses – Nocticron 42.5/1.2 and Lumix 42.5/1.7 – also do support DFD and I’m considering seriously to buy at least the latter. Olympus 45/1.8 doesn’t have enough fast focusing on G5 and neither will have on future Panasonic bodies.
Will the G7 have the IBIS like GX7？
nobody Nnows or they aren’t telling 🙂 But I think most likely not. GX7 IBIS is so far a one-off, a sort of experiment for panasonic. I think it will make an appearance again, but my guess is the GH5.
IBIS is exclusively reserved for GX7 .
So my guess is very unlikely to have IBIS than having DFD .
Since the G series is focused on hybrid photography, it’s unlikely. I don’t think they can easily dissipate the sensor heat from a floating (IBIS enabled) sensor while shooting 4K without the video falling apart. Just look at how bad Olympus video files are and how easily they fall apart (I realize that’s only part of the story, it’s also a sub par codec). At this point, both Panasonic and Sony have fixed sensors with significant heat sinks on their 4K hybrid models.
Great news, now if the price will be decent (799$ with kit lens), Panasonic may have another winner.
That title of cheap ILC 4K camera has already been won by the NX500 which is $699 with kit lens.
NX500 is useless as a 4K camera: ~2,8 crop factor from the APS-C sensor (about 4 crop factor), low bit rate, very bad at high ISO etc.
Yeah, I’d rather have an LX100 than NX500 for 4K
IBIS in preview mode like em5 please.
I like the 4K inclusion, not for video but for the jpeg extraction mode like on the LX100,
hopefully that will make an appearance.
Interested to see what max mechanical shutter speed is.
I would like Panasonic’s to include first curtain shutter so that we can have
0sec anti shock as with olympus and not need the flawed electronic shutter to get
a crisp shot on zoom lenses such as 14-140ii
Exactly. Electronics first curtain shutter, improved electronic viewfinder and better feeling of the annoying thumb wheel please. A faster electronic shutter and 4k photo mode would also be nice. My G6 is starting to fail and I hope to replace it with the G7.
Makes no sense. Dfd is in fz1000 and lx100 dbut nog in g7? I believe it when I see it. Based on dfd simply being available at the other two in the same price category means it will be there in g7 too. Other possibility is that it simply does not need the technology. My 45 mm f1.8 oly lens does almost as well with af c as my panny 12 35 and 35 100. And of course the oly cannot use dfd asmits lens profile is not in my Gh4.
> – no DFD
And the sad history of the Lumix G crippling goes on.
Panasonic really doesn’t want to succeed. No way that G7 could compete in the market against the Sony A6000. Especially since A6000 is old-ish and its street price is so low. G7 needs DFD for feature parity and something extra (e.g. IBIS) to be viable.
Here’s a good reason why the market is sputtering along.
What feature parity? 4K alone puts it on a playing field with cameras a LOT more expensive than the A6000. The only ILC bodies that offer this feature are $1500+. Oh, I guess the NX500 too, but Samsung ultra-crippled video on that body to the point of irrelevance.
Demand for the 4K is so meager, that it is not even worth mentioning. Yes, enthusiast videographers are all over it. But they are still minority compared even to the casual stills shooters (who do not even want the 4K because only few devices can actually play it). A mid-level body should be targeted at the larger audience, not smaller. If you go over to any m43 forums, the IBIS and AF-C are the most requested features. Not 4K. Even among videographers aliasing-free 1080p is still talked more about than the 4K.
You might got your points here .
But please think the price of this camera first .
GX7 sensor + 4K already cost the price of a G series .
With DFD & IBIS , it definitely shoot up the price further more .
The G series is just a consumer standard camera & not premier / flagship camera ,
Pana definitely will not put the best to it .
> GX7 sensor + 4K already cost the price of a G series.
See below, response to @eleosphere:disqus
If you want a wide lens selection, you’re screwed with Sony.
Even their better lenses are slow f2.8. M4/3 is a better bet.
The G-series has always been a reasonable alternative to higher-end cameras. Good handling, good feature set and good image quality in a less expensive package. It really should have most of the same features as the top of the line cameras, like DFD, Constant Preview and headphone and mic jacks.
It’s good news in a way – I’ll keep enjoying my G5 ! If they don’t offer DFD + IBIS, I’ll wait for G8 or next gen GH so I can get the current gen GH at a discount. And by then I might be tempted by what will be A6100 + 16-70…
I don’t get it. Which photographer cares about 4K? Really? No DFD but 4K! While Olympus and others trickles down its important image capturing technologies to products below its flagship products, Panasonic again misses out.
Since th demise of the popular GH2 camera line (compact but advanced operating concept), Panasonic has lost considerable market share, and many m4/3 users left to Olympus, when the OM-D line was released. 4K isn’t the killer feature, which attracts and keeps customers, this is something Panasonic should realize. Putting 4K in a camera isn’t a mistake by itself, but leaving the photography community behind by refusing to put sensor stabilization (IBIS) and advanced AF technologies (DFD) into the middle-tier product, seems that they don’t listen to the market very well.
If 4K would be in such high demand, the brands and products, which offer this feature, must have been the market leader by a big margin, but obviously this is not the case.
Panasonic never promised IBIS on their cameras, you should move over to Oly if that’s what you’re looking for. If you want DFD for use with Panny glass, chances are you already have IS in the lens anyway. I’d rather have 4K than DFD. I run a lot of Oly glass on my GH4 and even without DFD I’m seeing 90% C-AF tracking. Amazingly, I can also shoot sharp images without any IBIS… perhaps you should just improve your “photographer skills” instead of demanding the kitchen sink on low tier cameras.
I think you missed his point that the ‘still image’ technologies are a far bigger market than the video techologies in consumer level cameras. So, if you’re going to sacrifice one in a G camera it should be the video technology.
And his point about the collapse in Panasonic’s market share of mirrorless is significant. Perhaps Panasonic’s high quality video is not a great selling point for the people who typically buy these cameras.
Certainly the last figures I saw has Olympus with 15% market share of mirrorless and Panasonic with 7% despite Panasonic’s superior video.
Maybe they should emphasise their market leading features like DFD rather than their video features.
I just don’t agree. I don’t think most people buy Panasonic mirrorless cameras for their photography features, whereas that is true for Canon, Nikon and Olympus. Panasonic made a name for itself with video. Nobody cared about the GH1 before it was hacked for better video. From then on the GH cameras have been heavily pushed to the video sector. But I think as the price of the GH cameras have gone up, Panasonic is realizing it needs to trickle down some of that video mojo to its less expensive cameras like the G6 and now G7.
I think that if Panasonic numbers are slipping it’s not because Olympus is better at still photography, they always have been and most photographers I have talked to prefer Olympus to Panasonic for stills. I think Panasonic is slipping because they now have stiffer competition from Blackmagic Design who are building cheaper cinema cameras, Nikon who have improved their video quality and Sony who are offering full frame crazy low light video capabilities. Not to mention Samsung who has entered the game with the NX1 that shoots 4K onboard to a bigger sensor. Plus you now have the cheaper C100 camera from Canon that is a true video camera.
It’s also because of this compeition that I think you see them updating GH4 firmware with anamorphic mode and things like that.
Who said there is no IBIS?
Anyway if I had to choose between DFD and 4K, I’d take the later anytime. 4K equals 1080p 4:4:4. When I’m doing video I’m going MF most of the times. S-AF is already more than satisfactory.
I’d need 4K just for a very single reason: to extract 8 Mp stills from 4K video stream. Otherwise 720p would be more than enough for me, speaking about video.
Moving elements in video frames are typically blurred on purpose and it is the sequence of frames that makes the footage look sharp.
Now, it may be possible to shorten the exposure and take “video captures” meant as selecting photos. Mind you, it won’t produce award winning video, but on the flip side you now have a boat load of 8Mp jpegs to choose from. I will say this: if it is possible de deploy this feature with hardly more than just configuration, why not? If you know what you have and why you have it, why not…
To me, it would not replace a good FPS raw burst.
Well, you can be sure Panasonic is making a lot more money out of their low volume seller GH4 at high margins than Sony with their “market leading” A6000 constantly discounted below manufacturing cost…
If you only care about stills why not just buy an OM-D? It will have a lot better IBIS, and you won’t be paying extra for excellent video capabilities which you won’t use. Panasonic still has to compete with Olympus, and IBIS is not a selling point against them, video is.
If so, and it’s priced well (the G6 always seemed like a bargain) then this could tempt me away from Sony, particularly if the A6100/A7000 with 4K isnt coming soon, as rumored.
I believe G7 is more to rival EM5 2 than A6100 / A7000 .
Btw , G6 is no good enough , get G7 if you intend to gave a G series camera .
FYI Panasonic G series relates to all ILC, being it GM, GF, GX, G or GH.
15min 4K, like LX100? Or the real thing?
Would it not a bit easyer only sell the gh4 from first day at 799,-, make it 10% smaler-
the fine lense of lx-100 would be a starterhouse for 299,- and so everything is abit in
one direction? Do they not want, see all a bit faster? ( tiny bmc mini will get its
bigger and older 4k chip faster, then we have specs there for 1300,-$, would say, yes..)
Is it so hard in 2015 to start all new cameras with 10 bit ( on the normal codec?)-must it
a wait till we get 2034, 2035? So why?
And for fotography–if we have all tools in a model- why go down back to 2010-only to start
again-because the G-8 has then all? not so iconic idiotic like canon but…. 🙂
On the other side, the lx100 falls to pricegrounds 600,550,500,450…so could work it
with 15 mini in 4k… for 450 bucks fine. so go down.. i will not bux g7 gh4 nono no sony nothing.#
If they can save $200 on the price of the body by going with plastic instead of weather-sealed magnesium, fewer features, connectors, a simpler PCB, different sensor, etc… then it makes sense for a company like Panasonic to put in the incremental amount of R&D.
You are not ever going to be able to get a GH4 for $799. Panasonic won’t sell one to you because it isn’t profitable for them to even manufacture it at that price. Even the GH3 still sells for $899. That’s the cost they’re willing to sell it for.
And $299 for a LX100? What are you even talking about? Can you think of any camera with even remotely similar capabilities, functions, build, sensor size, lens, etc… that costs even close to that? You’re dreaming, and it’s a bad dream that doesn’t make any sense.
I love your comments
it’ll make a great partner to the GH4, audio input and headphone monitoring please?
Agreed. Every camera that shoots video (no matter the quality) should have a simple mic and headphone jack on it with manual audio control. These are not killer features that should be used to separate out models $800 apart. They are just basic functions of a video camera like being able to change aperture or ISO.
Awesome! Now if only they don’t cripple it like they did with the G6 I shall be getting this camera! Soo… that means it must have: live HDMI out, and PAL/NTSC switchable (and of course, no time limit).
About time limit, you should turn to EU about tax legislation, as if its more than 30 min, then from foto camera it becomes a video camera in regards to taxes and they gets higher.
how much extra tax are we talking about?
Fx. That site says 5-12%
http://www.tested.com/tech/photography/44445-why-digital-cameras-have-a-30-minute-video-recording-limit/
Yeah I know about that, but they put time limits on cameras sometimes even when it isn’t because of tax reasons. Such as the LX100 and the 15 minute limit.
(or just look at other brands, such as the NX1 which has a time limit even when sold in the USA)
LX 100 is time limited due to overheating.
If you believed what they claimed…. or maybe it is to maintain product differentiation.
You may be right but from what I’ve heard, LX 100 gets quite hot when recording 4K.
Why take away DFD -just to justify GH4 price? It can’t cost much to offer it -they already have the software/programming.
Disarming/holding back features is pretty much the name of the camera game.
then losing the battle is the name of panasonic’s game. I’ll take a super small D3300 or D5500 (which i own) over the G7. I’ve been waiting for a long time for this dumb camera and it should have 4K and DFD. Panny is shooting themselves in the dFd foot.
Why do you think that the price for the development of the software has no value? Just because they have it, you think they should give it to you huh? How much did it cost them to make that tech? Have they broke even on their initial investment to even create it?
I C0de for a living. I get sick of people thinking that code has no value, and just because someone made it once they should give it away for free. That is straight out BS.
I’m afraid there will be no cameras with both DFD and IBIS, at least in the near future. As far as I know DFD needs a really agressive sensor and processor cooling which makes IBIS implementation extremely difficult.
I think the GX7 needs an update before the GF7. Sony with A6000 and Olympus with EM10 just dominate sales in this class I suspect there might be an update late this year
I wish with 5axis IBIS and better sensor better EVF. Keep body mostly same maybe a bit better grip. Also a LCD like the OmD EM5 a flip LCD with Touch and Touch shutter
Better tracking focus iBIS for video
I think folks like smaller cameras so GX7 so more practical vs GF7 If it is a matter of price to have a GF7 then why not have smaller
I’ll give them about tree fiddy for it, no more, no less. Deal?
no dfd? no sale. STUPID MOVE.
Don’t worry. I realize not everybody can afford top of the line, and everyone wants the best at their price point, but current GH4 tech will filter down to something you can afford soon enough.
No DFD, no sale for me. I couldn’t care less about 4K. I do care about shooting action.
Indeed – the video functionality can stay in the GH range – I’d rather they focus on stills in the G. It’s nice being able to do video – but it’s a nice extra rather than the core functionality. DFD would have been more welcome from my perspective, but hey. Maybe I’m niche.
Panasonic posted a roadmap a couple years ago. GH is high end hybrid, G is hybrid Jr., while GX, GM, and GF are focused on stills. So wait for the GX8. It’s likely the next place we’ll see DFD.
I can’t for the life of me figure out what DFD is?
It’s the distance from focus database on the GH4 that uses a database of the lenses out of focus characteristics for a predictive focus algorithm to get the focus close, after which the focus system can fine tune and nail the focus. Because it starts almost focused, it’s faster when shooting action. When using Panasonic lenses, it gives the GH4 the fastest and most accurate focusing for shooting movement and action of any of the current mirrorless cameras. Only works with Panasonic lenses though. Still, it’s impressive bit of engineering and I can see why people want it to trickle down into lower priced models.
Very neat. Thanks, this saves me a Google search 🙂
Thank you….what do the letters DFD stand for?
Depth From Defocus
I’d be disappointed but the AF on the gh4 is ridiculously bad in video mode anyway so it’s actually fine by me.
Only in 4K. In 1080 mine focusses fine. For video I prefer MF anyways.
Exactly.
This may be interesting as for what will Panasonic do to step up with the GH5.
Probably 18-20 Mpix sensor, 4K from resizing (better resolution and no additional crop), probably 60p in 4K, improved low light capabilities, improved DR, improved focus, better screen and EVF and I pray for better weather sealing too.
All the improvements above will probably be small but big enough to make the whole package attractive. I have a feeling that the BD 4K standard will include 10 bit and 4:2:2 color sampling, in this case Gh5 will also internally record 4K at 10 bit and 4:2:2. The price will probably be a little bigger than Gh4 at launch…something like 1899$?
Focus hunting will look AWESOME in 4k. 🙂
Is it a camera for professionals who would do manual focus pulling anyway?
me,
and few hundred more on legacy glass!
Me to :).