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Small update about the new G7. A source told me it will be announced around Mid-May. And he confirmed that we should not expect to see any “revolutionary” new feature or sensor.
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Hope the DFD, the GH4 sensor and the 4K aren’t such revolutionary features.
i hope that,but if it use old gh2 sensor that why they release ,it make ignore by user
and they will tell no profit model and remove it?
If it´s the GX7 / GM1 / GM5 sensor + DFD + Live-View HDMI out incl. a few nice features I am in. Even without built in 4K. Btw.: I don´t think, that they will still use the GH2 sensor (or a derivative of it). ^^
I need 4K just for capturing stills from a 4K video stream.
that you mean,if install GH2 sensor can not produce 4K record?
There are roughly zero chances to recycle the old GH2 sensor as even the low-end GF7 uses a modern one.
Exactly. That sensor has been discontinued several years ago.
Why on Earth should it use a 4&1/2 year old sensor?
You will definitely get all the highlighted features this time .
Get your money ready !
Fuck yeah!!!!!!!!!!!
Forgive my language as it should sound like: FINALLY!
At least DFD for the stills- and an active HDMI out for the “filmic”-shooters please. Otherwise it´s an useless update. And more people (including me) will switch to BMD or one of the SONY bodies – Which are supporting live-view HDMI out, phase-sensor-technology (Sony), in-body-stabilisation (also Sony) and so on …
From my perspective the key areas which the G6 lacked which stopped me buying it (instead I got a Nikon D5200, and then later a Sony A5100) is a lack of live HDMI out and switchable PAL/NTSC and no time limit on recordings.
Until then, I’ll happily stick with GH2 instead (or even GH1).
Hi, If you’re in the EU then the time-limit on recordings is intentional. Of course older models DO have overheating issues, but I think that the G6 is capable. In the E.U. any device that can record in excess of 30 minutes is subject to different (higher) taxation (VAT) so Panasonic “cripples” their cameras in the firmware to ensure affordability for the consumer. I’m not bush*tting you. http://www.tested.com/tech/photography/44445-why-digital-cameras-have-a-30-minute-video-recording-limit/
I know about the EU dumb stupid tax thing! :-/ USA version doesn’t have it.
And I’d happily order it from the USA, except… it isn’t PAL/NTSC switchable and has no live HDMI out!! Unacceptable.
screwed if you do, screwed if you don’t. As usual, both corporations and politicians are to blame.
Likewise.
Deine Mutter approves of switchable NTSC/PAL Modes.
LONG overdue!
GX7 guts with a bigger EVF, mic and headphone jack would be fine. Maybe add a few goodies from the GH4.
Please, please PLEASE, Panasonic, include Constant Preview!!!
Yes Yes Yes for constant preview. I’ve been spoilt by my A7 and would love this feature on a smaller set up, my G1 and GX7, so much so that I’ve been thinking about ditching MFT and buying a Sony A6000.
Do mention “New Sensor” always for GX7 successor otherwise I afraid Pana
forgot to install it .
I’ll be glad if they don’t ditch the IBIS. That wil be the deciding factor for me. No need for 4K as long as they bin the full sensor for video.
Doesn’t the GX7 already have Constant Preview in M mode?
The GX7, GM-series and GH-series ALL have Constant Preview. It should be on EVERY Panasonic camera! So, that’s behind the plea for Constant Preview in the G7!
if it will be like the G6 but only with the GH4 sensor with no 4K (mainly because heat diffuse) and priced around 600$ you will be better off with Olympus EM5 vs EM5 mark 2 or Sony a6000 or even sony A7. you will get better stills IQ and equal video capabilities (more or less)
if you need more pro video capabilities you would go for the GH4 if you are not done that already.
if they are going to release a G7 with no 4K, DFD and video and stills capabilities like the GH4 so this would be the flop of 2015 mirrorless camera and will turn alot of Pana customers to the rivals line of production.
it will be very disappointing to found the Pana neglect their all around customer.
SHOULD BE WRITTEN :Olympus EM5 OR EM5 mark 2 or Sony a6000 or even sony A7.
If it’s the same still capability as the GH4 and $600, why would anyone be better off with an EM5?
The still quality of the EM5 isn’t better than a GH4.
You might want to think that through again.
the Olympus capabilities are much better when you are thinking on the IBIS which make the IQ much better when you can use all the lenses you want and they all got IBIS. so you may think again which system will offer you better IQ all together.
If you wanna be a PANA fun boy it’s allright with me. but I’m not going to be one.
LOL.
Use a tripod, child. It should clear things up for you.
if you need a tripod to take a pic so the advantage of the MFT system is out the window. you will be much better with Olympus or Sony 5 axis.
unless you are a Pana fun boy.
No, not really. Not when you take it out into Sierra back country.
You don’t have video IQ that comes even close on any the Olympuses.
And the stills IQ is exactly the same when shooting RAW.
My main interest in the G7 is that it will make the G6 cheap and I want a G6! The G5 went ridiculously cheap just prior to being discontinued but the G6 is hanging in there still with no successor on the market still after all this time.
I need to replace my aging G1 and I want a camera with decent 1080p video so the G6 is the ideal choice, an updated G1 with better video than a stock GH2, two birds with one stone!
That’s until the G7 turns out to have 4k or something and I’ll go back on my words lol!
My point exactly!
You can find a G6 for roughly $400 on ebay. My brother bought one half a year ago for $410 with 2 spare batteries.
If the G7 has the same sensor and EVF as the GH4 in a smaller package and is stabilized count me in.
Features I think could make it in:
– modern sensor: this is mandatory.
– DFD: should be included. Sony is putting a lot of pressure on other mirrorless makers to improve their AF.
– 1/8000 shutter: maybe this will be e-shutter only to reduce costs.
– 4K recording: if it’s there, let it be on par with the LX100. But not keeping my fingers crossed.
– IBIS: would be a big boon, but not keeping my fingers crossed.
– Better build/EVF quality: highly doubtful.
– Headphone jack, clean HDMI out, GH4 bitrates, V-Log: not a chance in hell.
I’ll be fine if Pany decides to bundle any two of DFD, IBIS, and 4K in the G7. If we get all 3, I’ll be super stoked. Otherwise I don’t think it can measure up to the EM5ii or A6000…
Even with no real breakthrough , I have no doubt G7 with
GX7 sensor & 4K included DFD should enough to win the G series fans here .
Maybe with attractive new design as well .
I really hope Panasonic puts DFD in all new cameras. It’s already absent from the GM / GF. Oh and they should make it work with Oly lenses too. Ridiculous protectionism.
Likely DFD for this one I guess otherwise can’t compete with low end DSLR .
The GF & GM really without DFD ?
Something went wrong here .
Is it just panny not creating DFD profiles for Oly lenses or does the lens itself need something in it for DFD to work?
It seems as though they’re working in a vacuum, thinking that their own lenses are enough for anyone. Panasonic could get the information from Olympus, especially since the E-M1 contains lens profiles.
please wait,we had no leak info about it,
sad but if new olympus MFT had many info about 3 month before releaseใ
No revolutionary feature or sensor, wow, can’t wait….
yup another nothing camera the vanity hordes will buy….
As the G series is basically competing with the Rebels / Nikon 5xxx (?), it’s not surprising that these cameras are not the first to include new features.
I hope they bring the hump back (as in G5). The G6 always struck me as a DSLR form factor body that was put in an oven for a little too long and it sort of melted.
Personally I prefer the G6 to the G5.Reminds me of the Leica medium format.
Agreed. I’ve owned both the G5 and G6 and consider the 6 to bet a much sharper package.
The G6 looks nicer, but the G6 feels too much bigger than the G5.
I’ve owned both the G5 and now the G6. I find the shape of the G6 the best. Even though the plastic feels cheap, it does have a better grip Than the G5, which has a better quality plastic.
“….And he confirmed that we should not expect to see any “revolutionary” new feature or sensor.”
I do hope the camera have some “evolutionary” features, otherwise Panasonic will have difficulty in selling it.
The camera market in 2015 is much to crowded and competitive for any manufacturer to release mediocre product.
We shall see. But Iäm mostly waiting for A6100. Or used A6000. (for me A6000 has crap view finder, battery and noise performance holding it back)
Well, we still don’t know the specific features of this camera, revolutionary or not. I can see it filling a niche. Am not sure why people are dumping on it – marketing is not a science, but I would not kick it out of my camera bag on a cold night.
Maybe we’ll get a new / updated lens for the kit? We sure haven’t had a new 14-42mm for a while …
Yeah. Panny has lost traction no new 14-42 lens releases. I mean who would care for a 350mm f4 IS (wheater sealed) .. yea no one .. we definately need more 14-42 lens models. something like 14-42 F8
A f2.8-4 standard zoom that is substantially smaller and a few hundred cheaper than the pro zooms would be used by substantially more MFT photographers than your dreamed up old man birding lens.
“wheater sealed”??? Is that a consequence of geriatric bird photographers eating their Fibercon?
Totally agree on the zoom. It could also start at 12mm.
It’s quite annoying, that my only choice is between cheap plastic kit, or very expensive “pro grade” lens. Nothing in between.
Kit lenses are NEVER specialized. They’re supposed to give first-time buyers options and broad applications at tolerable prices. I totally understand and agree. Just get the “body only” version if you don’ need the kit lens and spend the saved cash on the lens you need.
what saved cash? body-only prices are often very little different from the the price with a kit lens. (In fact, the price of a body-only G6 on Amazon UK is currently £373, but a kit with a 14-42mm/F3.5-5.6 ll lens is £40 less!)
Congratulations 🙂 You have successfully done what is called “shopping around for the best deal”. I am going out on a limb here, but the 2 items were not from the same seller am I right? Because if they are, that guy is a total dumbass thinking anyone will pay more for less.
Well even the pro lenses in MFT line up are only close to the decent 17-50mm 2.8 tamrons and sigmas. They are not up to par with the FF 24-70 2.8’s .. in my book the current pro lenses for MFT are allmost the only zoom lenses one can even buy. The 2.8-4 could be good one.
That is nonsense (as in, factually wrong).
Not that again .
How many similar 14-42mm lenses already produced ?
TOO MUCH !
Make a proper fast lens please .
Not in a kit lens. It would cost too much. Kit lenses are always very “meh” and cater to a wide range of shooting options. Primes are a no-go. They might update a lens to a “mark 2” version.
Man, reading your post history is like a lesson in freshman arrogance. You really snap at other people’s views.
meh.
The Kit lens from Fuji isn’t considered a Kit lens from most reviews. Even the recent kits lens from Panasonic that shipped with the G6 was Better than average.
They are decent, but they’re not X lenses, not fast primes, not weather sealed, not Leica branded. So what I mean is they have better lenses in the line-up that just aren’t making it into the kit packages. I understand that, it’s fine. I am really happy I got a 14-42 and 45-200 with my first Lumix, I still have the larger one.
I was under the impression that “kit” simply meant “included”?
Actually, Panasonic provided a much better than average kt lens starting with the PanaLeica on the Four Thirds L1 camera, then close to that good with the 14-45 on the first MFT camera. Their 14-42 Mk1 was a step down into typical kit-lens performance, but the MkII is again well regarded. Overall they have done fairly well in this department.
I still have my 45-200 kit lens – they simply haven’t made a better option yet.
Perhaps, a fast kit lens that costs as much as the camera body?
I would easily get one spare kit like the one on that picture: G6 + 14-42 PZ 🙂
I really do not think the G7 will get some news features from Gh4, Lx100 and Fz1000 (4k, DFD, etc…). It can’t compete with Gh4. It will be an evolution of G6 (nice camera though).
It could get any two of: DFD, 4K and IBIS. Then I would be stoked to get one. If it just has a new sensor, it will be dead on arrival… I mean it has to stand up to the A6000 and EM5 Mk II, also the GX7 which is selling for peanuts lately.
It definitely won’t have the GH4’s FPS in stills or video, build quality, EVF, high bitrate HDMI out, headphone out or V-Log…
If there’s a GH5 about 12-18 months away, and sales of the GH4 are reaching the breaking point where target audience has been reached, I think the G7 will have plenty of GH4 tech, but not enough to compete.
wow this is a ugly camera in the picture. come on panasonic, you can go better.
Wow, you actually though that was a picture of the G7…
Happens. Every. Time. People who don’t read should not write 😉 Besides, ugly is a matter of taste and the G series s always a compromise on build-quality in order to maintain a certain price. I like the G-series, so there. Better handling that GM, GF or GX with a price tag below GH is great.
The G-series has always had the best feature-to-price (bang for the buck) ratio of every other M4/3 camera.
Yes, plenty of compromises, but every camera has compromises.
Agree
4k 699,- that is it…
No. IBIS, 699 that IS IT!
I just got a g6 with lens for $270, but I’m excited to see what the G7 brings to the table.
Wow… that’s a steal. anymore of those or was that a craigslist thing?
Duarte Bruno must have missed your post 🙂
Sounds cheaper than the price it would be when the G7 comes out.
Such a solid, good camera doesn’t need new features or new sensor. Why fix it, if it ain’t broke? A G7 identical to the G6 would be great!
A G7 identical to a G6 it’s called a G6 and no one is buying them.
I just hope you mean you just want a GX7 on G6 clothes. That would mostly sufice to me, but it wouldn’t sell either.
true – GX7 is a really nice camera but better ergonomics and slightly improved specs wouldn’t hurt.
As a GX7 owner and user I couldn’t agree more.
Strange because Panasonic actually won the 2014 Which award for best photography brand and that’s largely based on sales. As far as we can tell Panasonic sell in Europe about as fast as they can make them and that’s the next largest market after the whole of Asia.
So “no one is buying them” translates as “selling like hot cakes” then?
Sure, Panasonic did make a lot of sales… of the GX7, GM5, and GH4, but the G6? Not a chance. Even me, their perfect target user, with a 4+ year old ageing GH2 stood on the fence quite some time on the verge of buying a GX7 (better sensor and IBIS, but alas no ergo for video) and endured that situation for over a year past the due date of the G7, which should have been 2014/02.
So, No, actually they didn’t sell like hot cakes, not even when they started pushing stock at garage sale prices.
It could use better image processing–every camera body could use that.
You sound like a Canon t7i owner. See what I did there.
Only 61 comments for a new camera say it all.
110&counting
Number of comments doesn’t really say anything actually except how long Admin leaves his post up.
1/5 simply a poor effort from the troll
People aren’t exactly discussing toilet paper in discussion forums, and yet it’s supposedly selling quite well.
Not sure how this is going to have a single feature the $500 Gx7 doesn’t already have (sans a better viewfinder) without stepping on the toes of the GH4. But people like that SLR look.
MFT cameras should be small. It would be cool if the body was smaller that the GH4 and dramatically redesigned to not look so unappealing.
Opinion is fine.
1) A matter of taste is something you’re entitled to but don’t state it as fact. I prefer Panasonic’s styling to Olympus’ unnecessary focus on retro styling. Doesn’t make me right. I myself am a schooled designer and a rule we all learn is: Design is not art. Its primary goal is to support usability. It’s supposed to be a direct extension and consequence of intended function. Styling is what happens when the essentials are taken care of.
2) Size has limitations especially where it comes to ergonomics – more manual control requires more space, practical placement of buttons and dials requires designers to take comfortable hand positions into account. The GX7 is great but “fiddly” which is tolerable because of its size, that’s entirely a compromise. Like the GM1, which is even more fiddly but once again, tolerable due to acceptance of size.
3) “Not a single feature the GX7 doesn’t have” well for one thing you have no idea what features it will actually have. Secondly it will really have better ergonomics and it will also sport that swivel-screen that I personally find invaluable. I recently compared my GH4 to a G6, and the G6 is noticeably smaller. Having owned a G2 I can also state the the G series has maintained a good size, still making DSLRs look like bricks.
@munstrom, your response is unnecessarily caustic.
1) It’s pretty much assumed that aesthetic preferences are subjective to each individual. I hardly stated that as fact, just noted that “it would be cool”.
2) You should head your own advice and not declare the GX7 “fiddly” as a fact. To some it may be perfectly ergonomic. (See how ridiculous your 1st point was?!)
3) You’re right, I have no idea what features it will have. That’s why I’m at speculating on a rumor site and not at the US Patent office filing the design of the new G7… Though you seem to be certain that it will have “better ergonomics” and “sport a swivel screen”. Again, pot kettle black.
Try again. And be kinder and intellectually consistent next time.
“MFT cameras should be small.”
The fundamental feature of MFT’s existence.
No, the raison d’être for mirrorless ILCs is to get rid of the cost and complexity of the mirror assembly and the pentaprism.
Mirrorless ILCs weren’t developed as a response to consumer’s demand for smaller cameras. They were developed to cut costs and thereby increase margins by manufacturers that had a hard time competing in the DSLR field.
Since the market is shrinking, even Canon and Nikon will soon be forced to go mirrorless with their legacy mounts, for purely economic reasons. The cameras will still look basically like the old DSLRs, though.
Mirrorless cameras can be made smaller, but that’s just a side effect of removing the mirror, it’s not the fundamental reason from the manufacturer’s point of view.
“MFT cameras should be small.” is the exact sentence that caused my response. And they are. Even the big ones are small.
ergonomics are not a matter of opinion. Ergonomics is the science of designing things that fit the human body. In the case of cameras, making them fit the human hand and eye. While there is some variation in the size of the human hand, there isn’t any significant variation (discounting birth defects and injuries) to the layout of the human hand. Buttons that are awkwardly placed and require contortions or repositioning of the hand are bad ergonomics, period. Not subject to opinion.
“ergonomics are not a matter of opinion. Ergonomics is the science of designing things that fit the human body.”
And every human body is different. That’s why products we interact with come in different shapes and formats. Period.
Try again, and use your head, not your emotions.
A G6 is MUCH smaller in person than a GH4. You should hold one… it is really a perfect blend of ergonomics meets small form factor. Easily up there with the E-M1 in terms of how it feels in hand and I think it may be a bit smaller than the E-M1 as well.
No reason for Panny to not release the G7 with basically the same innards as a GH4 since competitors are already moving ahead in the same price range as a GH4 (Samsung NX1, and their soon to be released smaller, cheaper variants). It would still be a profitable move for them as the G7 will likely retail for just under $1k body only. At least they should give it UHD if not full 4k.
Exactly. The G6 isn’t very big.
The GH4 isn’t exactly big, it’s just that the other two can be squeezed into the pocket of my jeans.
I do find the G5 has better ergonomics than the G6 though, the G5 is very comfortable to hold; I hope they bring that back.
Frankly, I’d be happy if it was exactly the same as the GX-7 with the more-ergonomic body. I’m quite happy for them to release the same device in different form-factors for different user situations.
over and over someone says that the advantage of m4/3 is the smaller size (than APS-C or FF).
Well, my opinion is that the camera should not be so small that it is uncomfortable to use.
Lenses instead… that’s another story: compare a FF 600mm to a m4/3 300mm…. or a FF zoom80-300 to the m4/3 40-150… and you see the real advantage of the m4/3
Agreed. But If I shoot with shoot with primes I’m taking the a7ii over the GH4. All systems have flaws, but “too big” should never be a flaw of MFT camera.
The GH4 may be bigger than the other mft but compared to DSLR it is really rather small. For interest perhaps the E-M5ii does not feel all that much lighter.
The GH4 is to me not too big unless you have tiny hands; I found the GM1 to be too small to handle.
One of the smaller size advantages over FF is smaller lenses due to the smaller image circle; a 50mm FF is far bigger and heavier than a 50mm mft lens.
The other thing is if you crop out the central quadrant of the A7ii, you don’t have 16Mp, you’ve got 6Mp. And so to get a long telephoto on FF you need a bazooka of a lens; Sony is a bit short on long lenses, the longest I can find is the 24-240 which is a bit short really., it’s like the Lumix 14-140 walkabout lens
Agree on most points. I’m just speaking to what I get out of MFT, why I think it’s a killer format. That is high performance, small bodies and small lenses. The GH4 to me is simply too big for the sensor. The G6 looks like a sweet spot. The Gx7 and E-M5 is where it’s at for me. Never understood the GM line. It’s hardly compact with a lens attached.
The GX line is the sweet spot for me too. I am a happy user of the GX1. Now available almost for free.
The GH4 does, however, have the best ergonomics of any current m43 camera. It’s not even close. I love the small size and weight of my GX7, but my GH3 (and the GH4) are simply much easier to hold, control and use. I tend to leave the GX7 to do it’s own thing most of the time, because changing settings is a nuisance. The GH3 I really take control of.
The A7II weights almost as much as a DSLR. A step backwards from the A7
The A7ii with the 55mm feels way more portable that even the APS SLRs to me. Yes there is a weight penalty over other mirror less systems that may aggravate over an entire day’s use. But for the most part the A7x with one of the sony primes is pretty much a wash compared to a similar GH4/E-M1 setup.
Shooting primes is where M43 portability shines. GH4/M1 are the biggest of the bunch.
Yes, the GH4/E-m1 are the biggest of the bunch. They are MFT form factors that seem out if place. If the ergonomics work then great, but it still stands that one can have a much better camera with the a7 line. Just my take.
Better as far as resolution and low light? No question. Better as far as bang for the buck, lens selection and portability? That’s open to debate. Exhaustive and often repetitive debate as it turns out 🙂
Agree on the size of the GH4/M1. I would only buy the GH4 if I were a video hound. I suspect I’d much prefer the M5II to the M1. I hope to confirm that later this year.
I do agree with Freak’s comment about the GX1. I’ve never had a digital camera handle better than the GX1 coupled with the 20mm pancake. Feels just about perfect.
GX-7 + DFD and I’ll trade in my G5.
Yeah, that might do it for me too.
We’ve got a GX7 and I really, really, really, really hope they never put the wobbly sensor in any G7 (or GX8 for that matter. DFD otoh 😀
wobbly sensor?
Give me the sensor from the GX7 or GH4 + DFD and you’ve probably got a customer. I don’t need professional video, and I don’t really need the rugged built, weight and weatherproofing of the GH4. I do want DFD,