Finally we were able to put together the right pieces and this should be the Real specs:
Panasonic G2
12 Megapixel sensor (4 channel readout)
Venus Engine HD II
LCD 460K
Touch shutter, Touch MF Assist (5x, 10x magnification) Like the one in use for medium format digital backs
Auto eye sensor
Live View Finder (1,440,000 dots)
AVCHD lite 1280 x 720, 60/50p 17Mbps (The Panasonic GH1 has also 1080p recording
(Still image and Movie!) Expressive-Retro-Pure-Elegant-Monochrome-Dynamic Art-Silhouette-Custom (Panasonic “cloned” the Art-Filter options from the Olympus PEN.
3.2 frames/sec
Panasonic G10
LCD 460 dots
Live View Finder (202,000 dots )
Motion JPEG 1280 x 720, 30fps
(Still image and Movie!) Expressive-Retro-Pure-Elegant-Monochrome-Dynamic Art-Silhouette-Custom
3.2 frames/sec
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If it has true 50/60fps the G2 could be my camera. But only if that second version of Venus Engine HD is able to do a better compression than the GH1 (less mud). Otherwise, 550D here I go!
I’m afraid the G2 won’t be much cheaper than GH1 as nearly all parameters (not counting the advanced video modes) do meet or exceed the ones from GH1 – otherwise it would be MY camera!
On the other side the G10 is a crap. In fact it’s merely a heavier and bulkier GF-1, so better spend your money on the much lighter and much more in-style „original version”…
Is it an improved sensor on the G2 or what?
Too be honest both these cameras make the GF1 at around £400 look like a bargain.
I suspect the G2 will be somewhere between £699 and £799 and the G10 probably around £450.
Given that the G2 has no stereo sound for video and may shoot 720p at true 60fps i think it will look very overpriced. I think much of the price will be down to the touchscreen which most people I suspect are not that bothered about. Shame really but I guess we will know for sure tomorrow.
Hmmm … Remember that teaser for Focus on Imaging show with a DSLR styled silhouette and a compact styled one? We’re yet to hear anything about the compact – and it may be tomorrow.
The G2 could be a nice camera with it’s swivel screen and the 720 50/60p. Hopefully it can do NTSC and PAL like the Canon 550D and will be much cheaper than the GH1. It has to compete against the Canon 550D in quality, features and price.
Well, G2 has different sensor thant GH1, probably just new version of G1 sensor.
It will be available with cheap kit lens, not expensive 14-140 one. I expect similar G2 price with 14-42 similar to G1 with 14-45. G2 is much worse choice because of lack of good EVF.
If price will be similar to G1 then it will be good idea to upgrade, because I just need 720 movies and maybe 1EV better noise.
The evf and lcd resolution remain the same… But still the best within this category so far! no blame for pana. ( however I do hope the recation of evf can be faster, from a dark place to a light one)
Touch screen, this is good if I can just point whereever I wan’t to focus. This would benefit when using the marco lens.
New image Engine, I suppose this would give us a “not bad iso 1600”, which is my longing since I can only accept iso 800.
Art-filer, this is great since I like that alot on Ep1(for my gf) I would definitely get one g2 if it does has this function.
Lookforward to the final confirmation of the SPECS.
ok… so it’s final. G2 and G10.
and…
NO NEWS BOUT LX3 SUCCESSOR!!!!!!! WHERE’S THE LX4(LX5)!!!!!
LX3’s successor!!
i need your correct news desperately!
hope that press later will be a press for lx3’s successor too!!
A few comments-on-comments:
— Why say the G10 will be “crap”? Of course it will be lower-spec than G1/GH1/G2: it is the “entry level” model and has to compete on price with the Olympus E-PL1, which sells for about US$600 but does not include an eye-level finder, which the G10 has built-in. Based on that, I’d say that the G10 plus kit lens will have to sell for about US$800 or less. Many people prefer to have the eye-level finder built in, so will prefer this over the GF1 or Olympus.
— Logically, the G2 will have to be priced between the G10 and the GH1, probably toward the higher end of that range. I think Panasonic will position it as the “premium” camera for people who don’t care so much about video, while the GH1 will remain the “premium” camera for those to whom video is important.
— Why so quick to assume the G2 will not record stereo sound? There’s an authentic-looking picture going around showing it mounting the DMW-MS1 external stereo mic. My guess is that the built-in microphone is monaural, but it will record stereo with external mic. Adding the circuitry for stereo isn’t expensive, and will allow Pana to sell more of thos US$150 external microphones — they’re not stupid, if I can think of that, so can they!
— How is G2 “much worse choice [than G1] because of lack of good EVF”? Both have identical specs: 1440K eye-level finder and 460K LCD. The G10 is the one with the low-end finders, probably to save on costs; they’re no worse than typical camcorder finders, so presumably the target market for that camera won’t mind.
— I’m still wondering why they bothered to design a new 14-42 kit lens when the existing 14-45 is so good and performs so well. My guess: Since all their cameras will do video now, they had to add low-noise AF mechanism and stepless aperture (like the GH1’s 14-140 has.)
Oh, well, we can have fun speculating today, and tomorrow we’ll find out!
Sorry, I should write G10 instead of G2. My mistake. G10 has much worse EVF than G1 and probably G2.
I don’t expect G2 price to be higher than initial G1 price. GH1 is available only with expensive lens, so price is high, but if you subtract lens value from GH1 kit price then it’s not that expensive. And GH1 has expensive sensor which probably isn’t used in G2.
Well, we will see tomorrow, but I would be glad to replace G1 and my Canon S3 IS for G2.
Touchscreen may be useful on tripod to choose AF.
From the specs I’ve seen, the chip outputs 30 frames per second and gets recorded as 60p which is no different than what the GF1 does. The GH1’s chip outputs 60 frames different frames per second instead so even if we just talk about the 720p mode, the GH1 is still much better.
Seems like 43rumorman already knew everything and leaks it a little by little…
Hey, please tell us everything. It’s just tomorrow!
Hi Visitor! I post what I receive 🙂
I wish I could really knew more than I am posting here 🙁
A little bit out of topic but if anyone is interested in 45mm f/2.8 Leica lens for u4/3 here it is new review. It seems to be actually a great lens!
http://www.photozone.de/olympus–four-thirds-lens-tests/490-leica_45_28
I agree with the ones above. What’s with the LX3 successor? Who needs these two wannabee dslrs? Admin, haven’t you heard anything about a compact cam? There was one on the teaser.
I first thought it was unusual to launch new cameras at local country event. But reading that the “UK embraces Micro Four Thirds cameras” on this website http://www.dpreview.com/news/1003/10030401gfkq4salesreport.asp it really makes sense, since the UK seems to be the early adopters on these EVIL cameras. Hope thisevent enhances that trend further.
P.S.
I’m a bit curious if any further alarming news stories (scoops) will be presented in the english photo magazines.
If G2 is able to do 25fps in a 50 stream, with manual controls. That’s enough for me. 30fps only = shit.
The GH1 has 50/60 true fps, but only has 17mbps. With half amount of frames, and a new (better?) Venus Engine, better compression is possible.
Crossing my fingers!
The compression on the GH1 is fine. Much better quality than you wil get with the canon junk. In fact, the GH1, and GF1, and likely these cameras, all have real movie modes where the iris, the focus, and the exposure can all change while shooting, letting capture qualityi mages. Canon has never done this, and canon doesn’t put hardware HD encoding in, and is forced to do it in software, so tehy pad it out by throwing bitrate at the problem.
The end reulst is that there are more compression artifacts and defects in canon video than in panasonic video.
The canon cult, however, know nothing about technology and since the canons have a higher bitrate, they have launched a campaign against the GH1 claiming that its bitrate is too low.
Its unfortunate that people who aren’t experts fall for these lies.
But they are, in fact, bald faced lies.
Re: canon doesn’t put hardware HD encoding in, and is forced to do it in software, so tehy pad it out by throwing bitrate at the problem
That’s interesting, since I was expecting Canon with it’s sales volume could justify implementing the video encoder in h/w. You loose both speed and suffers energy consumption with the Canon’s method. Yeah, I’ve seen the arguments on different bitrates.
I have to read up a bit myself on this topic, starting here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD
@Lize
I’ve used both, GH1 and 7D. So I know what I’m talking about.
The GH1 1080 mode is many times unusable due to the mud issue.
In 7D, the 720p mode has an ugle moire and aliasing problem that GH1 doesn’t have. And GH1’s 720p mode is stronger against mud. But 7Ds codec is far better in fact.
I don’t care at all about how internally work both. I’m talking about end results. And right now, GH1’s 1080p mode codec artifacts are far worst than 7D. By far.
What is the “mud” issue?
@jerryk
When the image becomes too complex, the code “breaks” and a lot of artifacts appear, giving blurry image aspect.
This can also happen with the 7D/550D, but due to the high bitrate is hardest to archieve.
If you try to use (and move) the GH1 inside a forest, or with snow falling, it breaks easily even in 720p mode.
You can find more details here
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=172958
@fuujin
Thanks!
i’ve shooted mutliple time with snow falling, panning, zooming doing wierd stuff, and the codec almost never breaks, UNLESS YOU HAVE AUTOFOCUS.
Oohhh, and 720p.
http://old.akwd.com/clip/Sky.mp4