Digicameinfo spotted that Olympus officially registered the name of the new E-M5II camera at Taiwan’s Nccmember.ncc.gov.tw site. This means our rumors are 100% correct as we reported the name of the camera weeks ago along some crucial info like:
same 16 MP E-M5 sensor
sensor shift shooting mode to create up to 40MP on the fly with up to 8 images combined
no 4K recording (but improved video quality over the E-M5)
announcement first week of February
One more thing: There will be one more Olympus camera announced before CP+. Likely a fixed lens one.
—
For sources: Sources can send me anonymous info at 43rumors@gmail.com (create a fake gmail account) or via contact form you see on the right sidebar. Thanks!
For readers: Don’t miss any news. Join our group on facebook and follow our tweets.
Rumors classification explained (FT= FourThirds):
FT1=1-20% chance the rumor is correct
FT2=21-40% chance the rumor is correct
FT3=41-60% chance the rumor is correct
FT4=61-80% chance the rumor is correct
FT5=81-99% chance the rumor is correct
98 Responses
ого
I just hope they have seriously reworked the sensor readout.
Giving access to higher h.264 profiles and higher bitrates isn’t not going to win them any prizes if they keep heavily subsampling he sensor and don’t gather much more pixels than they do ATM.
There you go.
Its called E-M5 II, not M2 Or Mark 2 or E-M2M2
The name is obviously E-M5 II, but the rest may be wrong anyway…
Note the last line: 2402Mhz – 2480Mhz: WiFi on board it seems…
This sounds pretty unexciting!
So the full name of the camera is “OM-D E-M5II”. Apparently the Olympus marketing department is staffed by cryptographers.
this happens when you add charcters or nrs..I would like they use names instead like:
“OMD Akane Ichinose” or “OMD Akiho Yoshizawa” , easier to remember
I would prefer no names at all. We can easily learn to recognize cameras by their appearance, so no names are necessary. When we need to communicate with others about a certain model, we can describe the camera we are referring to, so no names are necessary then either.
i think your method takes long if you ask in the shop which model you are looking for, and how if you want to sell it and make an ad…but seeing your name makes me wonder why i reply to you lol
You at least need a product ID for laws and regulations… See the form shown with the article? There’s a line for the “product name”… So that we can legally refer to the product by it’s make and model, and not by it’s apparence only…
By the way, how would you uprade your firmware? Showing your camera on your webcam? Then a software would identify it by its appearance before sending you the right update? 🙂
Let’s go further:
* As Ulli said, no names for humans… We can learn to recognize them by their appearance
* Better: no words at all, we could learn to recognize objects by their appearance
Sure that would be fun 🙂
The are merely banking in the success of the earlier E-M5 by explicitly naming this one as an obvious improvement. I wonder if they will introduce a new lens with it—maybe a 12/1.0, 14/1.0, 20/1.0, or 25/1.0?
Yep, and it’s not that bad of an idea, especially since this shapes up to be more of a refresh than a completely new model.
Don’t count on new fast lenses. Even the current f/1.8 primes are for the most part overpriced, so the f/1.0, if they were to be introduced, would cost a fortune. And Olympus is busy with the PRO line right now. I would rather welcome a move to at least make the “nifty fifty” reasonably priced, or at least change to the current milking policy. It really sucks that those lenses are not only overpriced, but also come butt naked.
III, IV, V, VI… 🙂
I don’t find the name more complicated than say, Alpha ILCE-7M2 or Alpha ILCA-77M2, which practically no one says. We all call them A7II and A77II, respectively.
I am sorry you have problems understanding these things. Are you good at school?
Struggling with basics of marketing too Harrydicktom?
Let me guess, it should be called “Rebel” or “Kiss” 🙂
You are not very good at reading and understanding. What is your native language?
Wow, you replied in seconds! A new record.
Did you get mad about the Canon reference? I know how you get upset when anyone teases you about Canon.
Gotta run. Go nuts my little Canon apologist.
Be careful not to fall and break something…
Improved codecs, flat color profiles and more frame rates combined with their 5-axis stabilization would be a huge advance on the video side. If it could color match with a GH4 it would make an awesome b-cam for hand held footage.
There is always an If (or But, or something) with you video people. Perfectionism is bad for you.
The deletings here are the wrong ones imo
I’ve got a short video comparing stabilization between E-M5 and GH4; you can have a look at color comparison here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3vj0JfvChg
stabilisation comparison you mean. Good to see how the Nocticron’s OIS works Thanks for the link.
Thanks.
Nice. They both look good to me. What profile settings did you use to match colors?
The Panasonic 12-35mm f/2.8 and the Nocticron both have solid stabilization. Since Panasonic doesn’t have any fast, wide primes with IS it would be good to be able to mix EM5 and GH4 footage for low light, handheld work with the EM5. I have the Nokton 25mm .95 and the PL 15mm 1.7 and they look okay handheld on the GH4 but probably not good enough for commercial work. EM5 provides stable footage but less capable codec.
Cinelike D and Natural 3.
The E-M5 is a great run-and-gun and if you attached the best glass, the video quality is passible.
I’ve used the GH4 and 7-14mm in 4K and then applied stabilization using FCPX and got acceptable results and a run-and-gun.
I hope Olympus delivers improvements in the video side in the E-M5II.
I’m glad Olympus has changed it’s naming convention—it helps create better brand recognition and greater value to the line.
I think the average consumer is going to find it very hard to understand the difference between an “Olympus OM-D EM-10 Mk II” and an “Olympus OM-D EM-1 Mk II”
Absolutely stupid naming for a consumer-based product
People too dumb to understand that only shoot with their iphone anyway.
I agree. The OM-D should not be part of the name. At least they didn’t decide to go with E-M6.
Keep in mind that it really isn’t the consumer market any more—its the enthusiast market. I would like to believe that this group would understand.
Wow, we all knew m4/3 were going down fast, but it seems we’ll see the end of the system within a couple of months! Well, with that minuscule “sensor”, I could have told them this from the start, saving them the embarrassment. How sad!
Well…you got the Dik part right. That’s about it.
I think he spelled his first name wrong too. i should be… I can suck .. dik.. lol!
Each time the shills come out, you know someone is paying good money to run down the system. Who could it be? Truth be told this is the most mature mirrorless system, and it is being used in photo and video across the world producing stunning work.
That says it all really.
You put time into this? That means, your time is cheap. Trust me, it is really worthless…
🙂 hey I call it as I see it. The timing of all these anti-43rds posts feels an awful lot like a SHIFT. In other words, you disappear for about 12-14 hours then post in batches. Either you are getting paid to do it at work, or less likely but more depressing, you do it for fun 😛
You think too much. Don’t do it again 🙂
There seems to be a correlation to American holidays; there was a considerable amount of trolling around Thanksgiving, then a lull for a few weeks, and now an increase again just before Christmas. Combined with the fact that “Djck” is being self-censored (to avoid a parental filter, maybe), I’d say someone is home from school.
Thank you for your enlightening post. You must be very smart.
And your parents must be very proud that you’ve chosen this as your career.
Just the other day, someone claimed that the troll posts are written by payed shills working for a competing company. He claimed to have noticed that the posts come in 12 h intervals, suggesting the shills are working in shift.
And now you put forth a completely different theory, that we’re dealing with some kid sitting in his parents’ basement.
There is a third possibility, which is by far the most common explanation for internet trolling, namely that the trolls are grown men, possibly but not necessarily unemployed, who have an axe to grind or a chip on their shoulder, or just enjoy winding other people up for fun. Some could be described as querulants, others as bullies, and some may even suffer from a mental disorder or two.
And about the censoring of certain words, it has nothing to do with parental filters. Just try and post a comment containing some of the more common words referring to certain body parts, and you’ll see that your comment will be awaiting moderation, and only be posted if it gets approved by the moderator.
Jesus, Harrydicktom, how many names are you going to use?
Look at his name, he’s an obviously sardonically acting out the role of a troll/being sarcastic. Gave me a chuckle, at least.
Truth hurts huh? I am loving it.
No.
Looking forward to seeing the output of this camera. If it has the sensor shift it is almost a certain buy for me. Better video is a plus, but then all the other goodies that already exist:
Up to 40mp of data (maybe 30mp look when scaled up)
Better video specs
Wifi control and tethered shooting
Improved VF and IBIS
Improved noise performance, DR and colour (but any amount is a plus)
2×2 control switch
Colour creator and Live composite
Perspective correction (if only for framing before your process the raw)
Focus Peaking
What I would like to see stay:
Compatibility with the existing grip
Battery Compatibility (like a lot of the pens)
What I would hope to see:
Headphone out for monitoring sound
A third/fourth point on the tone control to adjust blacks and whites
Aside from that, one can always ask for more MP, more DR etc. However in all my commercial shooting I haven’t really run into any problems so that may make my life a bit easier but they are not deal breakers for me.
I just hope the MP stacking will allow for use with flash recycling, so hopefully we can set intervals to allow flashes to recharge (for product and studio use).
Using the same name and breaking compatibility with existing accessories (battery, grip…) would be a great mistake in my opinion.
What I wonder is if they’ll ship it with a new TruPic VIII or with the TruePic VII…
I gamble on new trupic , Olympus will get some progress with it plus removal of AA filter. they proved with the E-5 this camera could compete resolution wise with higher mp rivals.
That means you are unemployed now, right?
tbh i dont know what work is , mr Ollimpus.
But it still not convincing enough for people to do the upgrade .
It’s even harder to aim for new buyers .
Forget about this stuff , time to look forward .
I am glad i dont think as you do
What a waste of space. Enroll in the local book club photo walk, you will be the dumbest but you have to start somehow.
Huh? Make some sense or hush up.
All you need is a basic photo course, you don’t need any new toys.
i like Olympus Namings. Mean there will be E-M1 mkII, E-M10 mkII, etc… not like Panasonic..
Does it really matter ?
What really matter is the EM5 m2 is destiny to be beaten by GX 9 .
There ain’t Mk in hthe name. It is just II like Sony. A7II.
The E-M5 was announced in Feb 2012 and to be replaced in Feb 2015 by E-M5(m2).
That means the next replacement with likely not come before Feb 2018.
Without a major improvement in the sensor and processor, how does Olympus expect his camera be competitive?
Yes, it was a great release in 2012, even gold award by DP review, but selling a camera in 2018 with 2012 specs will be very difficult. The market is significantly more competitive now than 3 years ago and by 2018, it will be brutal with expected releases of mirrorless by CaNikon.
Would it not make more sense for Olympus to continue to sell the current E-M5 at discounted prices (get market share) until the new sensor/processor is ready?
IMO, if this really is the same sensor and the camera otherwise has only relatively minor upgrades, I don’t think it will sell well. If it’s mostly just a warmed over E-M10 with environmental sealing why buy it? Took quite some time to determine that the E-M1 was using a Panasonic sensor so I’m not sure just how much faith I put in the rumor that it’s the same sensor. I have to think the product that is actually released will have some pretty signficant feature upgrades. But only time will tell for sure.
removing the AA filter and improved Trupic abacadabra can be enough for people who are not MP horny. But maybe there is more specs-wise, if the new e-m5 can get rid of the limitations on the video side, then MFT video producers can enjoy and allround ibis camera for the first time, unless they keep complaining ofcourse. I think consumers should less worry about the strategy of their manufacturer’s product line . If it fails we can always go to the competition. No shame in doin that.
you think you can already look ahead that much ahead, 2018, very impressive.
As usual Ulli, very thoughtful and intelligent comments.
It’s pretty sure the sales this incoming EM5 m2 will not match it’s predecessor simply because it’s not worth for the upgrade .
Not so sure. I have my E-M5 and I could even upgrade just to get wi-fi, faster shutter and maybe something more minor. I have had my cam for 2 years, but I am still happy with the image quality, and that will not automatically become worse just because new cams come out (I remember shooting film. Damn, I had the same quality for 10-15 years 🙂
Worth or not , it depend on the individual / owner to judge .
If there is better option , why not consider them .
You are happy with your current EM5 & you will be even more happy with GX9 or X Pro 2
Probably the processor will be upgraded to be able to perform the sensor-shift fast. Hopefully faster AF-C. If the sensor-shift works “on the fly” as the admin says, then yeah the E-M5 will be competitive for the next 2 years as I believe 40mpxl will be more than enough and the E-M1 line will be targeting speed imo.
Even Canon with the 7D MkII did minor changes over the MkI. Drastic
changes may displease a larger audience, manufacturing lines needs to be
re-adjusted thus may lead to QA problems, etc etc.
Also don’t forget:
a) Not everyone upgrades every year.
b) By that time Olympus will have E-M1 II and maybe E -M10 II announced in the market.
c) We still haven’t seen the E-M5 II, so we can only speculate.
The same thing was said a few years ago with the release of the E-M5 using the same sensor as other m4/3 cameras and the upcoming release of the EOS-M…
I like how cameras go from fantastic to outdated junk incapable of shooting quality pictures in the space of 2+ years for some of you.
Weird.
It’s harder and harder to make a big impact with imaging technology as time goes on, have not not realized that? The mirrorless technology is already pretty mature at this point, it’s not like 2009.
Steve
The mirrorless camera market is not slowing down in its innovation, contrary its accelerating. Technology is constantly improving, just look at the cameras announced in the last few months, a dramatic improvements in sensors, AF, IQ both still and video. Cameras such as LX100 and RX100m3 has redefined their categories.
Competition going forward will only become more fierce and any manufacturer not committed to dramatically improve its products will suffer.
So, the question here is will the new E-M5(m2) have sufficient improvements to meet that challenge? From what Admin has leaked so far (this may change) I would think that Olympus will struggle.
Sorry, but I haven’t seen any dramatic improvements. Video capabilities, maybe?
But stills – no way. Incremental improvements, and they are slowing down as one would expect from maturing technologies. Technology is constantly improving for cameras but the resulting IQ is largely the same. Only the camera salesmen really say otherwise.
I am not sure I follow your argument Steve.
You are saying that a camera released in 2012, with a successor to be released in 2015 with no major improvements (as far as we know so far) will not matter?
You are saying that IQ, DR and focus speed have not improved the last few years? and that the E-M2 which should “last” until 2018 (for E-M3) with its current tech will be sufficient to compete?
No, if this is the case Olympus will be slautered.
Please show me a m43 camera that has significantly better focus speed and IQ than an E-M5! DR is a likely candidate for improvement but I doubt you will see any sea change in that in the next few years. After all, it’s really, really good now.
The reason camera shipments have been down the past few years isn’t just because casual users take photos mostly with their phones these days, but that imaging technology really hasn’t improved all that much, so people hold on to their bodies longer. If shooters are able to take compelling, high quality photos that serve their needs (and obviously the vast majority are now), what do you really want or need from a body in the future?
i think the problem is that many users who want that “new sensor” , are mostly the ones who just use scaled photos on their websites. I do that too, but I let print blurb magazines too and occasionaly print selected ones on 50×70 made on 6, 10, or 16 mp cameras. No landscapes, so the need for a high MP sensor is really just for competition most of the time in my eyes.
“Cameras such as LX100 and RX100m3 has redefined their categories.” Seriously. You talk about dramatic improvements in senor, AF and IQ. Sorry, but the LX100 might be a nice looking, retro (not very unique in its handling but a classic, good layout) inspired really good camera, but it is not better in any of those areas then my E-M5, sorry, and it is a 2 year gap between those cams.
Yes Seriously!
LX100 is a P&S size – 4K video with f/1.7-2.8 (24-75mm) m4/3.
DP review…..”consider it one of the best photographers’ cameras on the market and probably the best zoom compact ever made.”
RX100m3 is pocketable f/1.8-2.8 (24-70mm) with an amazing sensor.
DP Review…..”the breadth of the RX100 M3’s capabilities, from its bright, flexible lens and handy viewfinder, through to its class-defining image quality and well-supported, high-quality video capture mean there’s nothing to really match it.”
So, yes they have certainly defined “their” categories.
The argument here is that both Panasonic and Sony have made tremendous improvements and/or innovation with its cameras.
Olympus must do the same or it will struggle.
The mirrorless camera market IS slowing down in sales, though, which will lead to a slowing down in innovation too. Mobile devices, that’s where all the serious money currently lies, and that’s where most of the R&D resources towards improving imaging technology is directed.
The camera market has pretty much hit the saturation point. Household penetration in the developed countries isn’t likely to improve much, and the emerging markets haven’t showed as much growth as expected (likely because of the smartphone, which is ubiquitous even in those countries).
More and more people see less and less reason to upgrade their cameras every 1-2 years, because the technology is so mature. Very small improvements in IQ and AF are to be expected in cameras in the coming years. We have already seen the most dramatic improvements.
Your accelerating mirrorless camera market doesn’t exist in the real world.
The acceleration of the mirrorless market is not just the tech but also the competition. You got to innovate to stay ahead.
Merely increasing resolution by sensor shift, in and by itself, is of limited utility on a small sensor, because you could do better by increasing sensor area (as in A7R) or by shrinking the pixel (as in Samsung NX1). Sensor shift as explained in this rumor increases exposure time by at least 8-fold. One way to think of it is as a way to get ultra low ISO such as ISO 12. But in any case if one really cares about resolution just grab an A7R or a Hasselblad instead.
But I see great potential in something else: I noticed that sensor shift as explained in this rumor can be used to mitigate the color moire pattern of the Bayer sensor. The same location records all 3 primary colors. So, you are getting the same benefits of Foveon here if you don’t mind achieving it with 8 exposures. (Both this and Foveon still have moire, it is just that the moire is color-artifact free.)
Maybe it is a combination of great agility in normal use combined with the option to go color-artifact-free high resolution when required which is the selling point, though I do wish to see 4k and/or PDAF rounding this out.
for achieving 3 colors per pixel, 3 exposures would be enough.
the thing is to design the filter so it matches the shifting pattern. for example alternating vertical lines in red green and blue – then shift the camera twice horizontally.
According to this rumor it is increasing resolution by 2.5 times as well. 2.5 x 3 colors is in fact approximately 8 exposures.
your interest for both lots of MP and 4k at the same time makes me think you are not a focused person.
No matter what they do, this is still a tiny cheap sensors. It’s a disgrace the plastic junk around it sells for the same price of real cameras…
hey go bug you mom lol
Oh Harrydicktom, are you still mad about the T5i sensor comment?
Well we were not all created equal…
8 exposures should be able to make give you not only a 40MP image, but also one with dramatically reduced noise, at least if their algorithms are anything like PhotoAcute.
Same as 16MP EM5 sensor ,
FT5 finally . It’s all over for this half cooked EM5 successor !
Time to look forward for something more promising ( GX9 & X Pro 2 ) .
2402-2480mhz, hmm. Bluetooth 3.0 built in?
NFC
Does it have a new EVF? A higher frame rate with a deeper buffer, perhaps? Surely they must be adding something other than this sensor shift gimmick.
an EVF like the E-M1 would already be interesting enough for me, much more then a new sensor
There is no need to change a whole lot and ruin what has been Olympus’ best selling, highly regarded and most profitable digital camera. Just keep polishing it. I think it will be the best small enthusiasts’ camera yet, if they can get these fairly minor and easy to achieve improvements on what has already been a really impressive camera.
– Use the bigger EVF from E-M1.
– Have beefier dials and buttons similar if not the same as on the E-M1.
– Have a faster processor, i.e. better noise reduction, IBIS, AF speed, EVF refresh rate, etc.
– And also new CA and other lens correction features as on the E-M1.
– Put in the 0 sec anti shutter shock and other firmware improvements already in other models.
– Get a better grip by changing the body shape but still allow use of the old HLD-6 grips.
– No 4K, but have better 60/50 fps video, and selectable PAL/NTSC option.
– No PDAF on sensor, but let’s have a new sensor with higher resolution and no AA filte
All these should be very easy, except for the last one. However, getting more MPs and IQ is almost a must in this model, as it has been 3 years and it is necessary for M43 to be competitive again in IQ. Otherwise I think most E-M5 owners would not bother to upgrade, or they will look at other cameras for an upgrade.
E-M5²
That would have been the best name!
Proper autofocus? Vastly improved viewfinder? Improved battery life? Sensible price?
This is still way worse than a cheap APS cam, how much longer can they keep up?
Not much longer, it really seems they are shutting down.
dont exaggerate, I borrowed an EOS 600D and while its not a bad camera (good IQ), its really a HUGE fallback otherwise IMO compared with my own E-M5