On top you see a new small picture leak. Again, it’s not me doing those small leaks startegy. But let’s talk about one of the he real innovation of the new E-M5, the five axis stabilization. I got some details from sources that explains how this will work. Until now the Olympus image stabilization compensated for “two kinds of rotary movement….yaw and pitch“. But in reality the camera shake is caused by five different motions. The new five axis IS will also correct “horizontal shift“, “vertical shift” and “rolling motion“. The system is perfect for macro and shooting while moving.
No other camera manufacturer did something like that until today. That is certainly one of the areas were Olympus is the leader.
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Awesome. Sounds like the best ever image stabilization.
Optical stabilization can’t correct the 3 new axes… (a moving lens can’t rotate the image)
Good point.
On tangential note, I wonder if the Oly stabilization will work in tandem with Panny lens OIS?
i think this not possible.
Choose one or other.
Actually i have try and think Mega OIS an power OIS is better results that body Olympus IS.
With the new system of olympus¿?
-looks like it has built in eye detect (the 2 little squares on the right of the EVF)
-might come bundled with the new Olympus Flash
i rather think that those 2 little squares are lights that show activity like saving the picture and built-in flash readiness
Why? Isn’t it easier to make those as symbols on the EVF/LCD?
easy is not always what is done
Certainly sounds like you can knock ISO down a notch, which is always good!
And Olympus say!!!!!!
http://www.olympus-global.com/en/magazine/techzone/
Very uptodate?
You can have all the IBIS or OIS you want, but it still takes a certain shutter speed to capture movement without blur.
Lol the latest “news” on that page are from 2008!!! They were announcing the E-3 or something.
Panasonic already uses a five axis system in some of its video cams
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-V700-1080p-Ready-Camcorder/dp/B006T9JHZK
Sounds pretty cool. I can only hope the iq matches all the other gizmos the camera has lol.
Kann jeder sagen was er/sie will, die Kamera sieht einfach geil aus! Solche Innovationen werden halt von wahren Kameraherstellern mit Geschichte wie Olympus entwickelt und vorgestellt! Weiter so Oly!
Allerdings, her mit dem Gerät. Ziemlich genau das, was ich mir die letzten 4-5 Jahre so vorgestellt habe.
Cheers
Ich auch.
Yep! Ich könnte mir die E-M5 schon als meine nächste Kamera vorstellen. Leider kommt Panasonic zu spät… Der IBIS ist jedoch ohnehin verlockend.
E-M5 has a browser? Neat!
It must have a web server too. That would explain what the “share” marketing blurb refers to…!-)
And wifi must be built-in! (Whoa, what if it’s 4G?-)
So that means the E-M5 runs JavaScript… so maybe all those Fn buttons are fully programmable in… JavaScript! Maybe we can even write camerApps to compete with iApps. Does this mean Oly will be the first camera manufacturer to open its own camerAppStore? Oly apps or bust!-)
Do you realize what that means??? Custom User ART EFFECTS! Yippee!!
😉
Actually “Share” refers to the ability to download our images to facebooks via WIFI or 3G. ^_^
Of course that’s a joke. 555
43rumors web side i EVF, and maybe i can use it so phone to. 😀
Darn. Missed that upgrade. Good one. 🙂
Yeah, it comes with a direct link to 43rumous so you’ll be alerted as soon as there are rumours for new lenses and acessories.
Sweet! Now I can get outside and shoot my camera a helluva lot more!-) Good for photo collection, skin complexion, and only bad for pocketbook. Where can I preorder?-)
Olympus stock data projection in EVF!
that was a a good one 😉
That is what the hump is for, the server farm and storage for accessories.
Hell yeah!-)
You can park your electric car inside the HUMP.
😀
Just think! put the camera on a tripod sit back with a few beers. Take the camera home and all your friends congratulate on the wonderful shots you posted while you were out. Now all you have to do is have a beer and look at what the camera has done for you all on its own!
hahaha, yeah what’s that all about?
The EVF has augmented reality 😉
You are dreaming. The resolution of VF could not accommodate the normal page in 43rumor. Try your iphone to browse this webpage. You will know what i amd talking about. The only possibility of this picture is shooting on computer monitor screen. Quite disappointed with this marketing approach. Wake up,guys.
Wow!!!!…… and now lets say goodbye to hype and……what about the image quality?????
exactly, because whats the point of a perfectly stabilized image with blown highlights and crushed blacks?
Ouch!
Nicao Foto wrote > exactly, because whats the point of a perfectly stabilized image with blown highlights and crushed blacks?
Dear god give this guy a hug, imagine what he went through before the current Olympus models. How did you manage…?
LOL
+1 🙂
I am not saying goodbye to hype, at least not for a few days more. FYI. 😉
Interesting and very impressive.
Unfortunately my piccs are unsharp only in case I use focustracking.
Hopefully E-M5 will focus 4/3rds glass and improved focustracking.
The rest of the specs are already very good.
I am not worried about IQ. This sensor is a huge improvement over the old 12mp sensor and Olympus knows how to deal with that.
Admin can you ask your sources about 4/3rds lens compatiblity?
No “in-out” motion? No PDAF assist.
Sounds like Oly covered everything EXCEPT:
PDAF/43 lens support!!
In and out motion usually does not create camera blur unless you are shooting up close macros.
Well macro is useful (even delightful), but the key feature many of us (presumably including Oly) are looking for is PDAF (Phase Detect AutoFocus) support for the legacy Oly 43 glass. Until MFT has full support for PDAF, all that great 43 glass won’t autofocus rapidly. So that’s a huge missing link for Olympus and… any 43 glass owners or prospective purchasers.
I hope I’m wrong, but it sounds more and more like Olympus has still not solved that sticky issue.
Once Oly solves that issue, the MFT lens lineup can properly include the 43 pro glass as part of its arsenal — and much (even most) of the 43 glass is awesome (if heavy, large, and pricey — relative to MFT glass; light, small, and often inexpensive/unique compared to full-frame glass).
My fingers are still crossed, but I’m not holding my breath.
Well, there was an Olympus patent mentioned somewhere on the internet a few months ago that referred to an AF teleconverter (AF also possible with MF lenses, see here: http://www.momentcorp.com/review/nikon_tc-16a.html). So maybe there’s still some hope 😉
However, the lenses should focus faster than early gen 1 and gen 2 MFT cameras.
Please have a built-in flash of some sort!
I think you are out of luck, but maybe the little clip-on flash of the EPL3 and EPM1? Remember — you don’t need the accessory port here for the EVF, because the EVF is built in. So, the hotshoe can handle the flash.
I hope they release a new, quick charging, and well balanced flash for this body.
Maybe we can attach VF2 to accesory port above, so you can watch your favorite video on EVF while taking pictures in vertical position with both eyes. LOL
Yes, sure have flash:
The built-in flash will have a GN=10 (Guide Number)
http://photorumors.com/2012/01/17/more-olympus-om-d-specs/
The pictures clearly show there is no built-in flash…
Really? How?
@Agent, really – point it out to me…does it popup through the viewfinder…a built in flash is nice, but a small bounce flash is always better anyways…
SUCH a sexy camera!
Also, the PDAF assist is in the new adapter, the MMF-3 or whatever. (I’m not in the know, it’s just obvious).
Bloody hell, that center hump looks bigger with every new picture. I will be very interested to find out what the real deal is with that thing. Its certainly larger (scale-wise) than the pentaprism hump was on my OM-1. Better have something good stored in there.
Surely, it’s the VF window that looks huge? Only because the camera is so small.
On a Panasonic G2, the top of the eyepiece is almost flush with the top of the hotshoe. But on this camera, the hump extends far above the eyepiece. This is very strange. Remember, the G2 has a popup flash too, so it can’t be to accomodate the flash. I still don’t think this is just an ordinary EVF, like a built-in VF-2.
I wonder with that hump whether I will be able to get the camera in my jacket pocket (with the appropriate lens of course).
Nope.
HUMP will hang up.
At least we know one thing. If you DO get it in your pocket, at least it will never fall out!-)
I have to agree that EVF hump looks huge and in my opinion will likely turn many like myself away from the E-D5 even if it is very functional. After all it was getting away from the monsterous size of the OVF viewfinders and bodies on many DSLRs that m43 and MILS was about in the first place?
Doesn’t look like an inbody flash anywhere but must be at least an infrared to trigger off camera flashes and maybe the hotshoe is detachable?
Unfortunaely for Oly this may turn many away to the NEX7 instead or GX1 with add-on EVF instead or just get the smaller G3.
A big bulge frightens camera joshi!
I was thinking the same thing. What in the hell is inside of that hump that necessitates that kind of bulk? I really hope that giant hump is removable a’la the old interchangeable view finders. I’d very much prefer a smaller faux-prism for times when not using a hot shoe.
Nikon and Sony have both shown this type of bulk isn’t needed at all for an EVF.
I guess the height is easily explained. Olympus went for the DSLR look, so the VF and hot shoe are centered on the lens axis. However, after introducing a range of accessories they could hardly leave out the (Pen) accessory port.
So, from bottom to top you have the LCD, the EVF, the accessory port (with adequate spacing) and the hot shoe – which makes for quite a stack. Inside, it’s probably empty.
I guess they could have saved quite a bit of space by placing the EVF on the left, Sony NEX7 style. But then they wouldn’t have an OM-D… Choices..
“I guess they could have saved quite a bit of space by placing the EVF on the left”
Agreed, the body would be quite a bit shorter if the EVF was in the corner. Probably would even have room for a built-in popup flash.
Oh well, still would can’t wait to try this camera out.
OK… five axis is a bit misleading, as there are only three in three-dimensional space. There are, however, six degrees of freedom. So, I guess it’s just a way to entice the layman, without getting complicated over semantics.
there are more coordinate systems than the cartesian one
I feel like an idiot now. I’ll go crawl back into my hole. 5 years for an engineering degree did me some good in math… the following years as an engineer rendered that area of my brain obsolete.
It does list planar shifts, though, so that can’t really be considered an axis, right?
All semantics anyway, I’m a little bored.
There are 3 dimensions, but as many axes as you want to have. Not just 3.
Joe, you’re completely right, actually. Nature doesn’t care about coordinate systems — She behaves the same whether we describe Her in Cartesian, polar, or cylindrical coordinates. The number of degrees of freedom something has is very much a physical thing, and thus has to be independent of coordinate system. If there are six degrees of freedom in Cartesian coordinates, then there are in any other coordinate system, too.
And “five axis”, like you say, is misleading: there are only three principle axes about which you can rotate the sensor (in any coordinate system — again, because rotations are physical things). The other two ways that it can move are translations.
Don’t tear up that engineering background yet. 🙂
“Five axis” is standard terminology in machining. If you’ve got a five-axis milling machine, it means it can translate (shift) the spinning tool on the X, Y and Z axes, and also can rotate it around two of those axes. (There’s no point in rotating it on the third axis because that is the axis on which the milling cutter spins.)
Good to see that Olympus’ marketing people are at least talking to engineers, then!
Could it be that Olympus is going to be the first company to do what Thom Hogan thinks that all of them should do: allow the photographer to share images (to facebook, etc…) directly from the camera. And if you don’t think this a pro feature, you’re completely out of touch with modern marketing of photographs.
Of course, the page in the EVF is 43rumors, so I’m not actually holding out any hope for anything different from every other camera out there in terms of EyeFi support.
Olympus took for ever to rid of xD cards, I doubt we will see WiFi or USB 3.0.
All of this would be nice and would be pro features, but just do not believe we will see these items.
Just get a Class 10 or higher SD card and you’ll be good, or get the Eye-Fi SD card
It it works well then horizontal/vertical motion compensation will be a godsend for macros. That’s the one area of photograph where conventional image stabilization has been ineffective. And while I don’t think roll correction is something that’s all that crucial, it is something that can’t be corrected by lens-based stabilization.
Now if only they could do something about the wind disturbing your macro subjects…
For subjects, high speed shutter… which means high ISO performance… and that subject is verboten until further notice. We still have a few years to go yet on 2009 Panny sensors. Doh!-)
will the viewfinder have an autodetect? ie. put your eye to the viewfinder and it auto engages?
Essential — and a quick one at that (unlike the reported slowness of the NEX).
There is certainly a sensor visible to the right of the eyepiece in the new leaked picture.
We shall see. The EPM1 came with a new shutter, but the IS seems compromised. I’ve sent mine off to Oly for a look.
Awesome news keeps coming!
A small detail, but I wish that left mode dial was also on axis as the right two dials and not tilted.
I can’t stand tilted knobs and dials. They also cost more to mount, so why use them. The Sony canon look is why I have never gone there. Its ugly ugly ugly. Did I mention it was ugly.
Viewfinder has a snapshot of this website.! nice touch 😉
Does it have a diopter (unlike the diopter-less Fuji) 🙂
Admin, any chance this us a modular design where the prism can be taken off? wondering whether to pull the trigger on the gx1 of hold off for this one..
no!
There’s no prism.
It’s a cosmetic hump.
Do we already know that the hump is cosmetic? I was hoping they’d use a folded optical path to help keep the eyepiece close to the body.
Maybe the space is needed to create enough distance between the EVF unit and the ocular to get a very effective magnifying (maybe 2x). The same principle is used in the magnifying VF units which can be mounted on the LCD screen (like the ZACUTO one).
I agree – it is quite likely the LCD lies in the horizontal plane and the pentaprism hump is used to fold the VF light path.
As some of you seem to have access to NEX-7: How large is the Oly EVF compared to the Sony?
The IS is very interesting on paper – just hopes it does it work too. The Oly in-camera Is is less efficient than the Pana in lens OIS (my experience)
You arguably are right when it comes to the PENs. The IS of the E-3, E-30 and E-5, however, is the most efficient IS on the market, good for four to five steps. So, we will have to wait and see which IS the E-M5’s new IS is based on.
Best on the market?
I dunno about that. It’s very good, but I wouldn’t say it’s any better than the newest in-lens VR from Nikon, for isntance.
Here’s a crazy idea… What if the strangely big accessory port cover also doubles as an add-on flash bounce for the built-in flash? If it’s not some crazy hinge thing that is.
I believe this camera will sell lots and lots like Jelly Tots 🙂
And I think this camera it is going to be sold like hot cakes¡¡¡
Okay… I’m confused.
Yaw and pitch?
What the…? The old stabilizer worked for horizontal and vertical shifts.
How the hell did that get transformed into yaw and pitch, which are rotations around two different axis…?
Whoops – this reply went to the wrong post – so I’m posting it again in the right place…
The sensor movement to correct horizontal translation (side to side motion) of the camera is basically the same as it is to correct ROTATION in the horizontal plane. But the ability of the camera to SENSE those two motions (and therefore apply the required corrections) is different.
And knowing how much to correct for horizontal translation is dependent on the distance to the subject, so the focusing information from the lens must also play a part in this.
Same comments go for vertical translation vs. rotation.
biggest innovation the image stabilization? i don’t need image stabilization at all to be honest, give me decent DR and good S/N ration, ther rest is already ther, fair enough, that would partly explain why the kitlens is so awfully slow that it’s almost useless f6.3
The sensor movement to correct horizontal translation (side to side motion) of the camera is basically the same as it is to correct ROTATION in the horizontal plane. But the ability of the camera to SENSE those two motions (and therefore apply the required corrections) is different.
And knowing how much to correct for horizontal translation is dependent on the distance to the subject, so the focusing information from the lens must also play a part in this.
Same comments go for vertical translation vs. rotation.
Exactly. This is what is new about Canon’s 100/2.8 IS macro — it has the ability to sense all five of these motions and correct for them.
Olympus has just done the same thing in IBIS-land.
“yore” not “yaw”
How about your? Or even you’re?
definitely yore when relating to the above 😉
I think you mean yawn.
there better be a pdaf module inside that hump, otherwise it is ridiculously large.
+1 Not holding out much hope though as it would be superfluous kit for the m43 punters.
Count me in for PDAF in the hump too.
And not superfluous for MFT purchasers as they may very well want pro level glass as well. The 12-60mm lens is a superb travel lens, for instance. The 50mm macro is a superb lens, period. So the 43 glass provides choice compared to the cheaper, lighter, smaller but (typically) less performant MFT glass.
True for m43 lenses except for 12mm and 45mm.
sorry, can anyone make a graph showing how the five axis IS works? thanks
Yeah, I need visuals too. The best I got is that the sensor handles shifting:
Left Right (horizontal shift)
Up Down (vertical shift)
plus these three (pitch (nose up, nose down), yaw (nose left, nose right), roll (clockwise, counter-clockwise)):
http://www.google.com/search?q=yaw+pitch&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ChcsT-2uEKHUiAL-pNGWAw&ved=0CEAQsAQ&biw=1015&bih=632
The only direction which is missing is: in/out. (Unfortunately, that’s the one that would be (most?) useful for PDAF/full 43 glass support.)
thanks for the graphs, really helpful.
this idea looks interesting, but how does the camera know when and how much to compensate for motions on those Axis?
On the otherhand, if the sensor is free to move on those axis, can the movement be manually controlled, potentially enabling every lenses mounted to manipulate perspectives?
The camera uses accelerometers to deduce the movements.
– Roll is easy, you just roll the sensor the same.
– Yaw and Pitch are pretty standard. Given the focal length, you just shift the sensor enough to compensate.
– Shift is more complicated. It also uses the focus distance information, and compensates for a horizontal shift by introducing a yaw, as if to pan the camera while it’s moving, keeping one thing sharp, while letting foreground/background blur.
Here ya go… pencil scrawl by me, just for you…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranger_9/6812778321/
You can tell the sketch shows the new Olympus because I made sure to draw a gigantic “prism hump” on the top!
So if I understand Admin’s summary correctly, the new Olympus system will compensate for twisting around all three axes (pitch, roll and yaw) and also will compensate for lateral (sliding) movement along two axes (pitch, aka the side-to-side axis, and roll, aka the up-and-down axis.)
Not sure whether this is one of those features that’s genuinely useful or just in the “we’ll do it because we can do it” category, but it’s interesting.
thanks Ranger 9!
It’ll buy me another two stops on handheld macros of wildflowers, probably. That counts for something!
Of course, it will not compensate for wind movement of the wildflower itself.
Thanks for the sketches! For me not having English as my native language this was very very enlightening!
If Oly have done it this way this camera will surely be a BIG sucess (if they did it well, not just on paper, that is!)
Ok, it may sell well even if this new IBIS isn´t exactly as good as it seems, if only the sensor, autofocus and physical handling is anything close to what have been proposed in all the rumours…
I wonder to what extent the stabilization will on video mode… perhaps like the previous models… hopefully the 5 axis oso work in video mode, then i’ll buy this for all my manual lenses without ois.
My initial excitement was flattened by the hump, but i am wondering if it’s an optical illusion. The height (top plate to top of the hot shoe) is the same as width of hot shoe, (22mm).Thats not very much. FYI the hump on my GH2 is approx 21mm..! I have no problem with the GH2 hump… Yey….
I calculated it to 25 mm based on an earlier picture, so that’s close. Still, it’s considerably higher than my wife’s Panasonic G2.
Much of the height of the VF is in the “sloping shoulders” of the camera top plate (which is not present in the OM series).
As a naval architect,
6 degrees of freedom:
surge: x shift
sway: y shift
heave: z shift
roll: x rolling
pitch: y rolling
yaw: z rolling
I assume this is where x is direction of motion?
The one thing the camera sensor movement cannot deal with is your ‘surge’ – i.e. to and from the object. However this can be dealt with if you have predictive focus. So I suppose the idea is that with the 5 ‘axes’ of stabilisation and 1 axis of predictive autofocus you can deal with the full 6 degrees of freedom.
Excellent. Thank you for terminology lesson.
So the mistery about video being better than GH2 is solved. The EM-5 compensates for rolling shutter. Now let’s see about the other 500: codec, frame rates, bitrates, manual control, focus-tracking, …
Consider how much nicer this camera would have looked if Oly had simply moved the hotshoe over to left side where the control wheel is now. This function would be transfered to the large wheel on the right side and if a third wheel was required just retain the rear roller wheel from the EP1/2.
This would remove the height of the tall hump in the middle and an inbody flash could still be incorporated into the center portion which is wider than needed for only the EVF viewfinder like some of previous Pany models. This would result in a rangefinder style with EVF in middle and only a body size only a little larger than the NEX7.
Maybe the hinged bit on the hump is a weather sealed port for the computer usb / shutter release / mic…
My Nikon 16-85mm VR also corrects when in motion.
Olympus HU-MP.
Maybe it’s a parody of goofy big SLR:s?
Too bad as otherwise the camera looks quite good.
Weather sealing and more controls are the only differences to G3? Price is something like 1.5x. I don’t trust Oly’s video abilities.
Is this camera consider m4/3’s pro camera ? Someone to ask Olympus !
Few days more for the launching time , why still no rumours about the image quality , everybody is curious for . Likely the IQ in this new camera is quite ordinary so no worth to mention . That is marketing strategic , mention what is extraordinary , skip on something no really impress , the IQ .
Also in-body IS and better jpeg engine.
OMG I’m so tired of reading complaints about humps!!! Ch-ch-check it out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEe_eraFWWs
+1
Geez, that’s the Eiffel Tower of unnecessary humps.
You could ski off that thing.
Watch out for low hanging branches/chandeliers with the Olympus HUMP 5.
Silly. 😐
LOL! so whats the junk in Oly’s HUMP? 😉
If the sensor is better than my G1 I’ll buy one.
“Hump” isn’t that big. It’s an optical illusion created by the picture. Left and right sides of the camera are cropped out of the photo, making the hump appear larger than it really is relative to the rest of the camera. I guarantee that, when seen in person, it will look normal–certainly no worse than the GH series.
Can’t wait to see a full shot of the camera!
Unless that is a micro hot shoe. The hot shoe on a GF-1 is about the width of the body in total, the entire widest part of the body. If they have the same hot shoe width then this camera at the widest point looks to be almost 2X wider than a GF-1.
Actually, you could well be right. The hump’s height is the same as a standard hot shoe’s width. So maybe thumb sized. The camera is quite small in other words.
WOW!
For all my positive activity in this thread, Olympus sent me a prerelease OM-D E-M5, and all I can say is WOW, THE HUMP WORKS!!!
My 43 glass is ecstatic. My 12-60mm is beyond itself. Who cares about the 43rumors in the EVF, or the server farm in the hump (or the overheating issues from the server farm)? All I care about is the PDAF in the hump… and it works. Yehah! IT WORKS.
PDAF forever! Woo-hoo.
Oh, wait… there’s an NDA at the bottom of this box… DOH.
Never mind.
Dude, you’ve got to stop drinking the bong water…
But it tastes like cherry apple juice! 🙁
The hump serves as a storage for two spare batteries!!
Reality check:
Olympus doesn’t care about enhancing support for your Four Thirds lenses, any more than Volkswagen cares about making sure the snow tires you bought back in college for your ’66 Beetle fit on your new Golf.
PDAF isn’t going to happen. Olympus hasn’t got the resources to implement the total redesign it would require.
In the hump have built-in flash GN=10 (Guide Number)
http://photorumors.com/2012/01/17/more-olympus-om-d-specs/
Admin confirm this please.
Would make sense as the pitch black kit zoom could certainly use a big flash… 😉
admin has indicated that there is no built-in flash.
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1783/flash3r.jpg
That is a bad made fake 🙂
not, is real GN10 flash promised. 😉
that’s what’s inside hump?
When new OM-D E-ML1 with flash buid and more cheap?
Are you for real? You want them to ADD something to the camera… but charge you less???
Or if you are just asking for a different model… well, there are already different models!
not excuse
E-Pl1 and E-PL2 arent very cheap that E-pl3 and havent flash build.
?? My EPL-2 has a flash and it was half the price of on the E-M5
Did you know that if you write out “OMD EM5” and turn it upside down, it spells “SWEDWO,” which is the Japanese word for “hump”?
Okay, no it isn’t, but I’ll bet I had some of you going there for a second, didn’t I?
I use my 50 mm f/2.0 macro more than any other lens, so this new stability system sounds great…although I already get excellent stability using the current Olympus.
I wonder how much better it will be? I bet it will help especially when the extension tube is attached…
Why are people complaining so much about the “Hump”. Is it really so problematic? 🙁
And by the way, here is some real hump.
http://www.vesab.de/foto_grafie/image/nikon_f3.jpg
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/nikonf3ver2/f3afbasic/images/Nikon_F3AF.jpg
because they think it’s cosmetic with nothing in it.
Again, I’ll be happy if the IBIS simply works, and the autofocus is accurate. Something I can’t say about my E-PM1 (though my E-PL1 works fine).
Here is the definition of yaw/pitch and roll from Radio Control Helicopters,
Roll, pitch and yaw are rotations along the natural axes of the helicopter (or any aircraft).
A rolling movement is where the helicopter rotates along a line along its length using lateral cyclic inputs (aileron), eventually turning from right way up to inverted while maintaining the helicopter’s heading.
A pitching movement (sometimes called nick, from the German to nod) is where the helicopter’s nose rises or falls relative to the tail, using longitudinal cyclic inputs (elevator). Not to be confused with blade pitch or collective pitch.
A yawing movement is where the helicopter’s heading is changed by rotating the nose to one side or the other around the main mast, using the anti-torque control.
BTW it look like Oly finally will drop their interface and go for an Android platform!!! 🙂
Look at that browser in the EVF!
Oh and by the looks of it it will be HUGE! just look at the small details of that web page. Resolution is 800×600
I really hope there is a built in flash… I don´t feel like carrying a ext. flash w/me most of the time…
Just a little one .. please oly……
You can see some pictures in this site (in French) and more with the link to a Japanese website.
http://numerimatch.blog.parismatch.com/2012/01/31/le-mini-reflex-olympus-om-d-sera-devoile-le-8-fevrier/
fake. Those are renderings.
Quote:
“That is certainly one of the areas were Olympus is the leader”
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How can you say/state that Olympus “IS the leader”?
Not sound to say so until it´s officially confirmed, (the new said 5-axis image stabilisation) until then Oly *might become* the leader, we´ll see the 8th feb…
And of course I do hope this WILL be confirmed, I would like it very much if Oly got this camera really “right”, and would get able to sell a LOT of them !!! 😉
Admin, wait, hold on, what you mean no other manufacturer did something like this until today? You know the Pentax K-7/K-5 in body stabilization can rotate the sensor to correct for tilt, and you can set it to “level priority” so it tries to correct tilt in your photos? You can also use it in a tripod to adjust the sensor and shift it without moving the camera if you need to do so by a bit. It’s also used by the GPS to track the sky for long exposures without the need to put the camera on a “tracker” (K-5 and K-01 only).
It sounds that what the EM-5 is doing is checking/getting more data fed, but the IBIS mechanism itself it’s still up/down and left/right. If they are doing any rotation whatsoever that would be new (for Olympus).
While I am not sure if the K-5 is correcting for all those motions, given what they are already doing (since the K-7) I wouldn’t call it “Olympus is being the leader in IBIS” here. Not saying it’s bad, but isn’t what Pentax is doing quite innovative too? Don’t you think?
If it is a first time ever then it is innovative. Pentax have already implemented that. That (in K7)was innovative.
For Olympus, there are many firsts:
1. Integrated EVF.
2. “New” 16MP sensor.
3. 5 axis stabilization.
4. Good looking ergonomics (the good humps).
These are “innovations” for Olympus just as an integrated EVF is “innovation” for Sony in a NEX-7.
If Pentax come up with an integrated K-02, that will be “innovative” as well. 😉
@Vivek –
Olympus invented live view for DSLRs, and auto-sensor cleaning… among other things…to compare Pentax or Sony to Olympus in regards to camera innovation is silly.
Yeah, completely silly. Pentax was once the market leader (well ahead of Canon or Nikon BTW):
“1954 the Asahiflex IIB was the first SLR with an auto-return mirror.
1964 the first spot metering SLR, the Spotmatic. It was also the first successful TTL metering SLR, the 1963 Topcon RE Super vanished from the market quickly.
1971 the Pentax Electro-Spotmatic was the first autoexposure SLR.
1971 the first mass-market multicoated lenses, SMC
1980 the ME-F was the first autofocus SLR.
2001 they almost launched the first mass-market full frame DSRL, but Contax got there first with the N Digital, and proved to the world that the same sensor that Pentax was about to launch a camera with sucked royally (to use the technical term) so Pentax was able to make a strategic withdrawal.
They also took a few other ideas that no one had really been able to make fly, like the automatic aperture, which allowed an SLR to focus wide open, and get them onto the market in useful forms.”
You are right, it’s completely silly to compare LiveView (that any compact or video camera already had for years) to innovations that really changed the market.
“1964 the first spot metering SLR, the Spotmatic.”
Oddly enough, the “Spotmatic” actually did NOT have a spot meter! It was an averaging meter that read off the focusing screen, just like all the later iterations of the same design all the way to the K1000.
(I know, the Wikipedia article says the prototype Spotmatic did have spot metering, but the only citation listed for that claim is an article by Karen Nakamura that itself cites no references at all. Speaking of unprovable claims, I remember being told back in the day that originally, since its predecessor model was the Pentax H3, they were going to call it the “H4” — but backed off because the Japanese characters for H4 spell out “bad luck” or “up yours” or something like that…)
“It was also the first successful TTL metering SLR, the 1963 Topcon RE Super vanished from the market quickly.”
Huh? The Topcon soldiered on for frickin’ ever, being sold without any major changes until 1971 and then, with an added motor coupling and a name change to “Super Dm”, well after that.
Besides, Alpa buffs (all seventeen of them) will tell you that Alpa got its TTL metered SLR onto the market at the same time as Pentax…
…all those Spotmatics were beautiful, superb-handling cameras, though. If Olympus is going to be inspired by the OM-1, Pentax could have done a lot worse than being inspired by the Spotmatic F, instead of unleashing that weird Lego-looking thing they just released…
I did not say that they did not innovate wrt “live view” (which btw, became true live view once they changed from Kodak CCD to Panasonic NMOS sensor which the Olympus marketing dubbed as “live MOS” sensor). That was years ago and during the DSLR/4-3 era.
I didn’t mean to say what Olympus is doing is worthless. I was just commenting on the “leader on IBIS” qualification put to Olympus when Pentax has been doing leader-class stuff on IBIS since the K-7.
BTW, if the EM-5 sensor only shifts up/down and left/right, I still don’t see exactly how this will be necessarily better than the K-7/K-5 mechanism.
I was hoping that the 4th and 5th dimension were for front and back that would be the final touch on a very fast AF system.
The hump isn’t as tall as it first appears here since both sides of the camera in the photo are cropped off.
I smell hard landing next week
I have an E-P1 and I am loath to put in M mode. I am just not smart enough. I hope all these dials mean it will be easier to use the manual settings. Find my E-P1 in P mode too often.
I’m not saying the HUMP is big,
But I’m hearing JLo is jealous of it.
And Kim K. is getting bigger butt implants.
😀
😀 😀 😀
good one
No other manufacturer? I thought Pentax did this years ago. And all optical IS systems do this already. Sounds good, but hardly revolutionary.
If this IS works my macro prayers might have been answered. As I said the other day, if only they would produce an updated version of their telescopic auto extension tube, with the new 60mm macro in mind, they would sell like hot cakes to macro photographers. What I mean by this is so the tube started at about 1:1 with the tube attached and the extended further. It would be possible with this to reach 3x life size, or just a bit more. Depending on how long the tube extended. In other words in one small package, with one lens you could cover the range of infinity to 3x life size.
I currently use the Canon MP-E 65mm f2.8 1-5x lens. However, I need at least one other macro lens just to cover less than 1:1. Most of the time I use it at less than 3.5x life-size on Canon APS-C. So you’d need a touch less for the same frame-filling power on m4/3.
Such a device would be easy for Olympus to make as there are no technological barriers. If they could make it weatherproof it would make this combination the best macro tool available with a single camera and lens. It might not interest everyone, but it would only require the making of this one tube, which would not require that much work for Olympus. If they were interested I could design them the best macro flashgun in the world to go with it. I already have designed the light modification system, and it’s being used all around the world. But it would be even better if it was integrated with the flashgun.
Kurt makes much better use of it than me if anyone wants to see what it is capable of.
http://orionmystery.blogspot.com/
> No other camera manufacturer did something like that until today. That is certainly one of the areas were Olympus is the leader.
What?! Pentax had that all the time in the K-5 and K-7.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_stabilization#Sensor-shift
Or I’m missing something?
@ Admin
any news about 4/3 lens compatibility? or is there an E7 in the works???
Thanks
zero news, zero rumors.
GOOD NEWS EVRYONE:
From the last picture and some of the previous one i mathematicaly calculated that the BIG HUMP it’s not that big… in fact, unless oly changed the hot shoes the BIG HUMP is only a little taller than the lengt of the hot shoes.. between 1.9 cm and 2.6 cm… i could be more acurate let’s say: 2.4 cm!
Try to belive.
Mesure the hot shoe of a normal PEN camera, measure the OM-D hot shoe, make the proportion, mesure the hight of OM-D HUMP than moltiply for PEN factor, the result is 2.4 cm…
I made a calculation based on the height of the hotshoe. Result: 25 mm. So it seems we’re both close. But unfortunately, that’s quite a bit higher than the hump on Panasonic’s m4/3 cameras.
I know i’m a bit too entusiastic but…
From more accurate measure: 2.288 cm…
Guess what… OLYMPUS OM1 HUMP IS 2.3 cm!
Really? The hump on my Canon EF is 20 mm and that is not a small camera.
My last result is 2.288 cm, we’ll know the right answer in few days.
I know other pana m4/3 have less hump, but the original om1 hump is 2.3 cm, and the camera is smaller than the pen ep1…
I HOPE oly made an exact replica of the om1 with some more stuff inside…
We only have to wait 5 days so…let’s enjoy the remaing time with dreams.
“My last result is 2.288 cm, we’ll know the right answer in few days.”
Right, we’ll find out on Hump Day!
It’s really a shame comedian Marty Feldman (who played Igor in Mel Brooks’ “Young Frankenstein” is deceased. It would have been great to have him at the official intro, saying, “What hump?”
But it was slender and pointy and had a nice glass prism inside, with some foam that was going to degenerate in about 30 years (but still usable).
Can you imagine keeping and using any of these digital cameras in 30 years, or even in 5 years?
Most trying to figure out the size of this E-D5 are estimating from the pictures that the hump is about 23mm or about 0.9″. The height of the the EP1/2 is at least 2.7″ so that gives an height of roughly 3.6″ for the E-D5 which no question is greater size than the EP3 with same with of 121mm or 4.8″. By way of comparison the G3 is only 2.6″ wide by 3.3″ high with its EVF hump with flash. The G3 EVF does project more behind the LCD but there appears from the various pictures to be a removeable wider extension on the back of the viewfinder which shows on some views and is missing on others?
These leaks are starting to turn me off more and more with each day.
Not because the camera looks bad. But because of the marketing strategy.
not sure if the leaks here are really part of the OLY market strategy…. though I don’t think they will be objecting…. My theory is that somebody at a brochure printer has leaked this stuff in terms of the photos..Maybe admin has a few ‘inside’ sources… but almost everything that people have got excited/upset about has been pure speculation
If it wasn’t part of an Olympus marketing strategy, you can bet Oly’s lawyers would be out getting images removed from this and other web sites. I can’t imagine these images NOT coming directly from Olympus in some manner or other.
have had some interaction with olympus european marketing… and worked for 10 years with Apple marketing ….different cultures…different attitudes…. different stakes
+1
I think the rumor-mongering great. I have learned so much about my fellow Oly shooters, many of whom are long-nosed*, short-fingered*** cyclopes*** who shoot in a perpetual downpour.
* smoosh nose into LCD screen (“focus beaking” nose-control touch screen?)
** shutter button too far up on top plate
*** viewfinder in the center, see*
so, my qustion still remains. how can i strat up or shot down this camera??? i think they will add a lever bottom of the camera!!!
it’s very strange.
I am guessing you are asking where the on/off switch is
🙂
yes. i asked it before. and we seen plenty of pictures and still i can’t see one. 🙂
ON/OFF is on the rightside next to the LCD like on E-30/E-3/E-5, probably.
Will be interesting to see which way it will turn on (up or down) because on the E-30 it’s opposite to the E-3/5. Very annoying if you use two different bodies.
Will the back have Pen-style 4way click turn disc or maybe this time joystick ala Canon or just 4 buttons.
So apparently they did it. Can’t say more than that. What I thought would be required, apparently they did. Well kudos Olympus. If the EVF isn’t revolutionary, this is indeed a step forward at least.
In fact, nothing has to be “revolutionary”. If all the useful features are there together in an useful container (preferably not designed by certain industrial designer) that is enough. 🙂
I never said otherwise Vivek. Sorry if you are getting that misinterpretation- I was just contenting what I originally saw written. That has nothing to do with the product being good or bad.
After some disappointment with the Fuji release on AF specs and pricing, I am finally thrilled that I have a new toy to look forward to purchasing.. PLEASE OLYMPUS fix the rattle issue of the 25mm 1.4 for this camera and we have a true OM kit that I will personally pre-order. thanks!
Admin, I think we get the idea with the E-M5. How about some more info on the new lenses, Olympus and Panasonic?
Why does the top look cheap and like something that would break off, collect dirt and water or catch on something. Seems very “clunky” and cheap looking. At the very least it is ugly and not refined. If that is all about a silly flash it is just a waste.
+1 Hopefully, they understand strength of materials and used that knowledge regardless of cost.
That’s the first ever camera Oly has designed. I’m sure their engineers, presuming they have any of those, don’t understand even the basics. You should ask Oly to hire you for the job. 😛
I have worked as an Internal Financial Auditor, also have worked as a Forensic Auditor Manager. I also a lot of experience hiring Independent Audit firms and interfacing with audits and investigations (and conduction them). I think I can help them more there. 🙂
While I have studied engineering, I never worked in the field.
I am sure the engineers at Olympus can make something that does not break, but like all organization it is made up of individuals with different levels of ability, and in the last 9 months or so I am sure several have been preoccupied with the companies problems. Unfortunately, like a lot individuals I have there, and it does wears on you when your company is in real trouble no matter how much you try to keep upbeat.
I have been very impressed with Olympus ability to get stuff manufactured at a high level. I think they are one of the best firms in the world at that. I expect this to be the best made small system compact.
if i know olympus, this camera will be built like an ox
Hey, your hypothetical investigations could take you the beautiful Cayman Islands! 😉
I’m not saying bean counters don’t have a say in product development. The on/off switch and mode dial assembly on my E-620 surely has proven to be of poor quality. However, my point was that Oly engineers surely are knowledgeable in material science.
I don’t think 5-axis stabilisation is something new. AFAIK Fuji has its own version on its HS-10/20/30 DCs.
So maybe Olympus will become the first company to implement this on an EVIL…?
Camera looks gorgeous. The blurry picture of the silver version looks a bit disappointing though. I don’t like the silver body with black knobs. Should have been silver body with silver knobs but it is just a blurry picture.
Regardless, the black version looks gorgeous.
I think that what they call a silver version will look more retro than the black version. It doesn’t seem to be entirely silver, it will have a black leatherette cover on most part of the body. Only the top and bottom plates will have a silver metal look. You could see that black leatherette on the leaked picture. Of course this is assuming that the picture wasn’t fake.
Yes i mean also the, silver version is very like OM-4Ti in silver, but black version is more up to date look by fiber textile and not leater.
The camera has a curved top, like the modern Canon and Sony designs? That’s terrible news. One of the reasons why OM series looked so handsome is its straight masculine lines. The previously leaked photos of the camera front did not show that, perhaps because it had a top down perspective. This photo of the camera back, however, has a more level perspective. It certainly shows a curved top. To me that’s a big disappointment. What were they thinking?
I agree… was a bit surprised myself, all along it seemed like it was level and straight. And agreed, the old OM cameras or for that matter old design philosophy of that seem more robust sleek and rugged. Apart from apple products, I don’t see any other company using curves and fluidity of surface that convincingly. Some electronic products esp..in the audio equipment sector.. look like they were made of clay.! ew.
Also, the “exceptionally light..” statement kind of bothers me. I hope it feels the right weight.
Curved top not used well by other companies? Well then, you obviously don’t own a GH2. Take a look. I think it looks great on the E-M5 and I plan to buy it.
Mass. You mean the camera’s mass. If the camera is too heavy, you can jump with it off a ledge. The camera will then be totally weightless.
oh yea.. professor calculus..that was smart. Why don’t you try that with the camera on a weighing scale and and instead of a ledge, use a cliff so you have more time to jot down your observations.
They were hiding half the EVF in there.
I’m not sure I like the faux pentaprism look. Is this runaway form over function?
I would still like to get one in my hot little hands!
The camera is not only too retro, but also too fashionably curved. It’s too big to put in a condom pocket, but too small to be held comfortably. It’s too heavy to carry, but too light to be held steadily. It’s got a huge hump for looks, which ruins its looks. It hurts short fingers and long noses. It’s too black or too silver in color. It’s gorgeous, it’s garish. In short, the OM-D is an abomination, a stillbirth. It’s Olympus’s Edsel, Pinto, Excalibur. Fascinating. 😛
Can’t wait for the official announcement and the inevitable variety of reactions.
TheEye*1000=right 😀
You can be my sidekick! 😉
This is undoubtedly one of the two most sexy retro models to date.
If it excels high ISO settings, has got fast 18mm, 35mm and 60mm prime lenses (like that of Fuji) and at a price around Sony NEX-7’s, I’ll be buying for sure.
Olympus, my favorite.
Once an OM user, always one.
PRESS CONFERENCE INVITE:
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Camera really looks to have the flash inverted on a hinge on the back of the hotshoe. Very nice indeed if that’s true, and ingenous. Is the viewfinder that wide?
The hinge is either for a strobe or for swinging the viewfinder upwards. Based on the “revolutionary” viewfinder comment, I expect the viewfinder to tilt.
My bet, on studying the images, is that the pentaprism hump everyone is complaining about, is actually a flash. It has two legs that extend down the sides of the hot shoe, from front to back to where the pivot point is. It will swing up and back, straddling the hotshoe.
That funny hump behind the hotshoe and above the eyepiece appears to have a hinge at the top between the hotshoe rails and is a cover that will flip up.
bulky pyramid EVF lose to sony EVF, why not make it as simple as a square box as high end as sony EVF 😀
Perhaps I’ve missed seeing this thought, but … with all the concern about the size of the hump people seem to have forgotten about the original leaked images, which showed a chisled, prism-shaped hump – with NO hot-shoe. If that image and the one showing a hot-shoe are correct, then the hot-shoe must be detachable – and replaceable by a slim cover at the least.
This seems like an elegant solution, which offers full flash capability … or a low profile when flash is not required. My guess is that the hump contains an AP2 (or 3?) port, into which the ‘flash adaptor’ or other PEN devices can plug.
It would be an even more complete solution if the ‘flash adaptor’ contains a pop up (swing up) flash which could be used for casual flash situations or to control remote flashes. Perhaps the rectangular block behind the hot-shoe is a GN10 flash head, which swings up above the hot-shoe when in use.
The initial picture that showed mostly the slanted front of the hump from slightly above. You couldn’t really see the top of the hump at all, which was conveniently fading into the black background.
Something is movable on the hump/viewfinder assembly. Either there’s a pop-up strobe stashed away or the viewfinder can be unlocked to swing in an upward position.
The original OMs had removable hot shoes.
Interesting !
One question: If we put an eye to the viewfinder, how to choose the focus point while looking into the viewfinder? or do we have to use touch screen to choose the focus point and then put our eye to the viewfinder?
Touch screen with nose control function? Works only if you are a cyclops. :-p
Maybe a dial allows scrolling through available AF points. I don’t need that. Center AF and AF lock work for me.
Wow! Number 2 bestseller on amazon is a GE camera! Not a motivation for other brands to innovate much…
If this “Oly” is good on video mode then meybe they will make accesory with second hdmi output.Serious “videographers” could use first hdmi output for external monitoring and second (clean) for external video device recorder.
Second accesory in “Oly” family i think should be ,external recorder with possibility to use with accesory port on “Pen” cameras famity. Just plug recorder in accesory port and great video sound is coming… 😉 ohh and XLR’s connectors too 🙂
I hope somebody from Oly read this…
I start thinking again and accesory with good preamps and XLR conectors … oh meybe someday they do that ?.
is that not 43rumors loaded up in the EVF? This cam is watching the rumors about itself.