I got some more tidbits from my sources:
1) While not official the E-M1 body price should be $1,500. There will be also two kit version with 12-40mm or 12-50mm lens.
2) It has no Anti Aliasing filter
3) True Pic VII processor improves video quality like moire reduction.
4) has mic Input, single SD card slot.
5) New Environmental Sensing System will adjust VF brightness automatically, according to scene.
6) The sources confirmed that FT lenses focus as fast as MFT lenses
7) The 12-40mm lens has a snap-manual ring – just like the 12 and 17mm!
8) The 12-40mm is the first lens of the new PRO lens line
The camera and lens will be announced on September 10 at 5-6 am London time!
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I will be £1500 poorer then.
Buy from amazon.de, you can be only 1500€ poorer then!
Can Amazon.de ship to the UK?
@Admin
“full frame” has posted a porn link in http://www.43rumors.com/whitby-goth-weekender-damian-mcgillicuddy/ (been there over 5 hours) it won’t be doing your SEO or readership any favours…
I’m TELLING!….MOMMIE….I’m TELLING!!!!!!
(far right, much?)
Well some of us read this at work, so I for one appreciate the heads up.
Just look at the URL of a link before you click it.
By the way, are they letting you surf at work? 😎
Ban ‘full frame’ from posting for ever.
They won’t ship to the UK; however a lot of vendors will…
I am not sure, but I make command often from amazon.co.uk and amazon.de…and the shipping cost just 3 euro – 5 euro. I am in France.
indeed
adding HLD-x,another 200 quids.
Be glad you’re still in the EU. You can still have it “cheap”, after you leave the EU things are going to be even more expensive then today!!
Also there won’t be any European buying from the UK anymore because of the ridiculous prices. Now every member can buy from every european part without having to pay import duties, that will be gone as well.
I think this is the biggest joke today. I bought my E-5 in China.
That might mean AU$1800 for us. 🙁
However, announcement should then be 2-3.00 pm 10th Sept Sydney time.
Hopefully there will be some special deals as is usual with a new Oly launch (free this, free that).
Olympus have been pretty good historically with regards to pricing parity, I managed to get an OM-D at launch for the same AU dollar price as the US prices…at the time the AU was at 1.08 to the USD so it was in fact cheaper here
1. E-M5 price bump (+$300) several weeks after release.
2. Some countries still hold that price officially. Nine months after it was reverted on Amazon…
I got the E-M5+12-50 kit at a good price early(ish) last year too ($1337 from DigiDirect when RR was $1499) as well as the free MMF-3, but maybe the pricing (& bonus) might have been influenced by a few of us applying pressure on them at the time, perhaps. Unfortunately our AU$ is presently just under US$0.90 & that will obviously mean a higher price for new products now.
Buy from B&H in New York!
And pay import duty and VAT on arrival?
Yes,it is still quite a lot cheaper – depending on your local VAT rate.
Just go to NY ,trip is free…
And have your fingerprints taken and your iris’ photographed.
Welcome to the US of A, you criminal.
They already know all my life…CB/IP/Facebook ect ect…also there is nothing illegal to go at NY by yourself and buy a camera.
But seriously…even with Shipping + Vat and Tax lot of products still cheaper.
Depends on where you live, really. Whenever I travel to the US I compare prices and for a few years B&H was about as expensive or more expensive than the best price I could get in the UK. So not much point really. It may be different for other countries though.
Forgot to add: this is for buying in NYC directly and taking it home with me, so no shipping. If you add the shipping costs it makes no sense at all (at least for about two dozen items I have compared).
Anything else on the video-mode? Finally 25p? Another codec?
That’s exactly the news I’m waiting for. Does it have PAL video?
VIDEO is so needed – especialy as it has external mic input – a video setup that no one uses will make an extrnal mic input redundent… so it SHOULD have:
720/1080 24p, 25p, 30p, 60p
720/1080 50i, 60i
Be nice to see some over crank modes too – even if not a full 120p maybe a 90p or a reduced res (720) 120p/240p.
The last thing I wish it to have is fully comprehencive control of the camera remotely via wifi/android & USB tethering to PC…
Then I think all the core things I have ever wanted will have come together into 1 camera and system… small is part of what I wanted and access to fast native F2 optics… There are a few digital proccessing things (comprehencive timelapse – able to adjust focus and zoom over timelapse on lenses that support it, image stacking, motion trigger pic/vid, audio trigger pic/vid, brightness trigger pic/vid) I would like to see but its very very close to perfect…
Do you *need* to change focus during a timelapse? could you give an example of this requirement? Just curious..
Yep, you can then pull focus from say bridge in forground to moon rising behind, or say from a forground object to a horizon… focus on sun/sky for sun rize then focus moves to flower in forground as flower opens to sun…. lots and lots of complex and time consuming experiments for me to do!!! – but need motor driven focus and zoom for maximum flexibility – m43 has all the perfict hardware perfectly implemented to do this – they just lack a small amount of imagination and a little programming – remember this is about as easy as it will get to implement in SW on the camera – way way easyier than the routine used for exposure or AF because it is just simple step division and a ramp up/down. Very very doable from Olys point of view… no camera does this out the box… and oly is just 1 days simple programing away from it.
I see. Thanks for the reply. To do it right it has to be progressive (i.e. no sudden jumps but smooth transitions of focus and other changes across multiple frames) which makes the whole thing way more complex. It sounds like the perfect purpose for a “remote control” app, that can choreograph all is needed. But boy.. This is a hell of a lot of work! I hope they will pay you well for these “timelaps on steroids”. I have seen some on the Web and they indeed are impressive.
na its not too bad – the motor in lens will have a set number of steps – maybe 4k ish???… these are HW set and the lens can jump to any point, its just a number for position then you just define the range and devid this number by the frames and bingo – well you have to also ramp it but that is standard basic stuff for any modern stepper controller… and thses are very advanced contolers used in cameras… but anyway the camera cup would do all that without dropping a beat its the kind of stuff 086 PCs could do in the 80s!
Further to that it needs decent bit rates!
My preference would be for switchable:
20Mbit, 30Mbit, 45Mbit,
And ultimately if Oly say this is pro – NO TIME LIMMIT to video recording… This is a very consumer limmitation and pro would pay the extra tax for the limmit to be removed. – Better still Oly should impose the limmit but make it very very easy to circumvent!
I third that. Please more video information, improved internal data transfer so we can film motion without micro jitters, then you’ll be mine E-M1.
I fourth that!
I’m a bit worried that no leaks so far have mentioned video capabilities. If the E-M1 had video on Pana level wouldn’t they leak in order to minimize Pana gx7-preorders?!?! I know I would if I were in their shoes …
I wonder if Oly and Pany silently agreed that Oly cameras would always be slightly better in photos and Pany cameras will always be slightly better (or loads better, depends on which camera) in videos. Pretty much what’s happening with Canon and Nikon. I mean, how hard is it to reverse engineer something? Or to at least develop something very similar? It’s like Nikon isn’t even trying to up the ante for video and just leave it to Canon. Same with Canon, Nikon has always produced better photos (at least for me).
And didn’t the EM-5 and GH3 use the same sensor? And yet the Olympus one still had better photos and the Panasonic one still had better video.
I think it’s better that way for a healthier competition. Let them have their selling points. I think Panasonic will never reach the JPEG engine of an Olympus and Olympus in turn will never as good as a GH camera for video. I personally chose Panasonic because my BF is a film student and GH2 user and sometimes uses my camera for 2-camera set ups.
+100000000……
Ohhhh please let it be so!
You know what is crazy we now have a situation where by you can get a mobile phone that has more res than the best SLR and a pad that can record 4K video before the camera world can get a comprehencive set of full HD modes implementd on every camera defacto… by the time every camera does all the HD modes 4K will be comming on so fast that HD will be the new SD! not that anyone has a 4k monitor!
that’s not true…the Canon 1DC does 4K and been out for awhile. It’s also 12K…but your point is taken.
Dying to see a lens comparison against the Panasonic!
Yes, the lens is what I’m excited about
Same here, I have the Panasonic 12-35, which delivers fantastic IQ, if they can best that they are definitely on a winner
E-P5 price will drop then!
Yes…I am anxiously waiting for the (soon-to-come) price drop on the EP5 Kit (w/LVF4 & 17mm)….I am putting my Panasonic GX1, LVF2 and silver Oly 17mm f/1.8 up on ebay this week as I plan on replacing it with a silver EP5 Kit.
….I think the M1 looks like a fantastic camera…but it is not one that I will buy….but the new 12-40 zoom…hmmmm….that looks promising!
hope we soon see dual SD slots !
out of curiosity, why would you need two SD card slots?
Personally, I find them useful for when I *really* can’t have a card fail on me. I’d imagine it’s also like my Canon’s where I can put RAW on one and JPEG on another of just extend the capacity. But I mainly use it just for backups.
Because getting a corrupt card opens one up to a lawsuit.
One memory card slot = not “Pro”
It looks like my dream of offloading my full frame kit for work is not going to happen. Ultimately, this means I will not be buying this camera, my em-5 does a good enough job for personal use.
You can still lose the camera and then you lose both cards. It’s no guarantee.
You’re right, it’s no guarantee, but I’d rather two than one any day of the week for the same reason at home I prefer to use RAID than a single disk for my important data.
Do you also wear suspenders and a belt for your important dates too?
Can a date sue you for thousands because you accidentally showed your underwear when bending down?
Anyone that gets paid to do a job should have a camera with two memory slots, minimum of two cameras, lights, memory cars, speedlites, redundant backup lenses, etc., and when they download the files have a minimum of three backups. I have had memory cards fail, hard drives fail, and I have never lost any client data.
No, for dates I wear body armour because if the wife found out things could get nasty.
I prefer having a camera with two cards, it’s not a deal breaker by any means. My OM-D’s only have a single slot. If I do important work then I do get concerned about having a card fail. For instance, if you’re on a holiday of a lifetime, do you back up your photo’s or just leave it to chance? I backup. I always take a laptop and a couple of large capacity disks and download the photo’s each night. It’s just common sense.
I bet the SD card is safer than a HD… ok a back up is good but I reckon on holiday you would be best backing up to a tough media (SD cards).
don’t want to say it don’t happern but in all my years I have never had a coruppt card (I’ve corrupted a card by putting it in a faulty drive but having 2 faulty drives won’t solve that)- lost the odd file but never a whole card… personaly i don’t think it critical – its waaay more reliable than any tape transport mech and they never needed 2 of them, just incase… All you need 2 for is more storage – but bigger SD cards will negate this.
The extra card slot is in the EXTRA CAMERA a pro carries. Just like the film days.
Film did not go corrupt, if the lab lost the roll; at most it was 36 photos lost. What is your next solution, shoot 512MB SD cards and get 36 shots per card? They are marketing this camera as “Pro”, and if the rumored price is correct, they are charging pro prices for a camera with such a small sensor. Hasselblad is a poor example because most digital MF cameras are used in a studio tethered to a computer; this is a niche market and not the market a “Pro” m.4/3 camera is after.
It has only one SD card slot? That’s disappointing.
Disappointing indeed.
Nowhere for my CF cards 🙁 More importantly, if it is £1500 for the body with the adaptor and battery grip on top it will heading towards £2000 to replace my E5.
So better swallow an adaptor before at a low price, as i have done, however it was done for e-p5..
almost £2000.00
A realy “Pro camera” have both CF and SD card slot.
Can’t agree any more. A pro cam should have dual cards.
+1
kinda disappointing. but still, i can make do with that.
have to..
Why do you need dual cards when there are 128gb super fast cards now? Or wifi straight to your mobile??
Actually Lexar make a fast 256GB SD card…has been out for ~2 years now so I can imagine we’ll see 500GB within the next few years.
256GB will store 17,000+ raw images taken with an OM-D…going by comments here taking 17,000 images in a shoot is normal!?
Any reports about focusing with the 4/3 panny leica 14-50? 14-150? or 25 f1.4?. Olympus should surprise use with a 25mm pancake like the old 4/3 25mm hopefully with faster and better optics.
The SDXC specifications allows up to 2TB storage last i remember with write and read speeds are ever increasing…. dual card slots are good when available memory cards are limited in capacity but with 128gb cards under a 100, it has become a feature only for gear heads mudslinging contest. It doesn’t make or break a camera. Besides I can’t imaging how anyone will use up 128GB in one shooting session unless he’s doing something stupid like holding on to the shutter at 9fps for hours.
Well, last weekend, I burned up 32Gb in 30 minutes with my E-5, in BKT mode with 7 frame and 5fps shooting in raw, it’s quite easy.
totaly agree 2 card slots is a redundent feature – it was never made for backup it was made to negate the problem of small cards… ok backup is a nice extra but it realy is about capacity….
It is nothing to do with capacity higher capacity cards simply increase the risk of losing even more data.It is all about redundancy
yet whose work laptop runs RAID? redundancy is good but only when needed…
Yet how many companies lost valuable data due to disk crashes on laptops?
Enough so that most big companies have very strict policies with regards to what can be stored on a laptop, and how that is stored, ensuring data gets replicated onto network disks and backed up asap. No, thats not just because of security (which is addressed perfectly fine by content encryption), its actual loss of data that this is about.
Since long battery life is rather important to laptops, and running 2 disks in a raid 1 configuration is rather power hungry, that is not a very good solution for laptops, at all.
People dismiss this kind of risk until they get hit hard by it. Until such time its ‘nonsense’, after such an experience those same people often become totally paranoid. There is no reason for the later, easily prevented by not being so foolish to think that risks don’t apply to you personally.
You make that question coz that I think you have never used such a camera.
It’s useful when for exemple, I ran out my memory, it can also be useful to clear out the buffer more faster, though no maker had done this function.
I don’t want to buy a single 256Gb card, it’s expensive, and less relaiable.
Cards fail. Having redundancy available is a safety factor. Also, you may want to record still to one, and videos to the other card.
“Pro” and “SD” simply do not go together. Especially when it’s “single SD” – it can’t get any amateurish than that.
Your comment is amateur.
Fast SD cards are faster than all CF cards and match a majority of XQD cards, Toshibas exceria cards do 240MB per second. at 10 fps shooting Raw you will use just over half of that pipeline.
Those are paper specs for cards that aren’t launched yet.
SD controllers in cameras are all crap and I think only a couple of top-end Nikons can break 40 MB/s on SD, while 120 MB/s is possible with XQD, and 100 MB/S with CF.
The E-M5 is limited to about 20 MB/s, by the way.
dont forget there is the wifi throughput to phone/tablet etc. giving you an immediate backup eg of jpegs… what more do you realistically need?
Wifi is not a backup solution.
A. Wifi drains battery
B. Speeds on Wifi enabled cameras are not fast enough to handle raw files. I do not plan to backup jpegs.
C. Wifi is handy to send snapshots to Facebook or for studio use
No it is not a “paper spec” – it is the actual product spec: http://www.toshiba-memory.com/cms/en/products/sd-cards/exceria/exceria-pro.html
And it is due out next month, will probably be in peoples hands before the EM1 is
Nice try but your comment is still amateur.
Are you sure? I see a noticeable difference in going between 30 and 45Mbps, but no real difference between 45 and 90.
Those are all theoretical speeds and internal controller / latency / file system also play a very large part. Even if you take a 2007-2008 CF camera, it will perform a lot better with a 90 MB/s card than with a 30 MB/s card, even though it won’t write 30 MB/s with either of them.
Here’s a small benchmark database: http://www.robgalbraith.com/multi_pagee519.html?cid=6007
(I saw another one somewhere, with certain CF cards reaching 90 MB/s with a certain camera, but damned if I remember where.)
CF is still vastly better than SD when it comes to latency and speed, and that’s not going to change any time soon. The pins getting bent sometimes, that’s a different story, although it hasn’t ever happened to me, and I don’t know of anyone who suffered from it.
Think of it this way (incoming car analogy, sorry): a car with 200 HP will accelerate much faster than a car with 100 HP and will be a lot easier to drive, even though you’ll never get to push either car to its speed limit due to road rules and traffic conditions. Their maximum speed will be equal (say, 90 km/h), but the 200 HP car will get you from point A to point B faster.
I shoot professionally with the E-5 and almost never use the CF cards. I prefer the SD cards, because my Macbook Pro has an SD card slot on the side, which downloads photos at a much faster rate than using a USB cable to download off a CF card. When I’m under a strict deadline and only have 1 hour to download, make selections, process RAW files, export JPEGs and upload to the server, an SD card is the clear choice in this situation. Sure, two card slots would be convenient, but having only one SD slot certainly is not a deal breaker for a pro.
Also, SD cards aren’t prone to bent pins like the CF cards.
🙂 Thanks. Some people apparently aspire to be a spokesman for everything “pro”, preferably definining “pro-ness” in the progress.
Your comment has a certain realism that’s missing from most other pro/no-pro comments. I too stopped using CF on a regular basis because the direct transfer to my MacBook’s SD is so fast. I agree having just one slot should not be a dealbreaker (as someone said: remember film?), but it would have been better to include it anyway. Oh well.
that s why there s sd and cf on e5. you have choice. for me sd have much slower write speed, I take train photos, often 10 or 20 frames a train, sd is just too slow to make continous shoots, it slows down after 6 or 7 shots but with my lexar 800x cf it will lasts to 15 or 16
do you shoot long bursts all the time? in that case i can understand your need for speed. Continous short bursts all perfectly comfortably done with EM5 plus a 40 mb/s card
Video case 😉
Wine wine, than don’t buy it. Doesn’t bother me nor Olympus.
According to Imaging Resource’s speed tests it should be nearly 30 MB/s:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/omd-em5/omd-em5A6.HTM
(After 16 RAWs of about 16 MB each buffer clearance takes about 7s. If the burst takes 2 seconds, you get a write speed of ca. 28 MB/s.)
The EP-5 is even faster and reaches 36 MB/s (with a SanDisk Extreme Pro 95MB/sec UHS-I SDHC card):
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/olympus-ep5/olympus-ep5A6.HTM
The em5 is not so limited. I have noticed a significant difference in the time it takes to write the card between the Lexar 128 GB from last year, which is about 20mb/s, and Sandisk’s 95mb/s 64gb card. MAkes a big difference lag time after shooting a RAW burst.
So Nikon D600 is also amateurish?
The D600 at least has dual SD, but it’s not a pro camera and Nikon isn’t marketing it as a pro camera – which is perfectly normal, considering it’s a crippled entry-level 135 format camera.
Wow… Give a couple of DSLRs Dual card slots, now everybody wants it… What’s next, Dual card slots on a point and shoot?
Enough of the foolishness.
Mr ALLCAPS
The issue is redundancy. Mirror the two cards and you still have your pics if one fails. I don’t need it, but I can imagine that some do.
+1
I had never, NEVER a sd card failur. These arent hard drives.
touch wood…. not with SD but I have encountered 2 instances where my CF card went bust while loading images to the com. What’s worse they are sandisk extreme cards which is suppose to be their most robust cards…..
I have had SD card failures. In the field. With a 95mbps Sandisk SDXC card. Fortunately, I’m a paranoid kind of guy, and was also carrying another identical card, plus an older Lexar 128GB card.
Also fortunately, Sandisk support is good. I explained the problem (used to work, now giving a “card error” error, and they are replacing it, having only asked if there was any apparent physical damage (there was not).
Dual slots were really what I wanted most for weddings. No huge rush to upgrade, then. My bank account is thankful 🙂
I don’t disagree with the spirit of your comment, but…
I had a nice little point-n-shoot, the Konica KD-500, that served me well for a few years. It had an SD slot AND a Sony Memory Stick slot. You could control the preference of storage. I set mine to put pictures on the SD, movie clips on the Memory Stick. When either one filled up it would switch to the card with free space.
That camera also had a great slide-open design that protected the lens much better than the lightweight little shutter-cap normally used on point-n-shoot cameras.
Man That sucks!
Yes, two SD cards would be really good for backup. Then again it does have WiFi so it might be possible to do file backup to a Scandisk WiFi drive. These drives are just becoming available and are for extra storage for smart devices. If it works I can see one having a Scandisk WiFi drive in your pocket and streaming the photos while taking photos to the device.
7) snap-manual ring, how sexy is that!?
I suppose there is a distance scale then ? that’s great ! I miss it on my panny 12-35 mm that’s great for very low light / night shooting when AF and and EVF doesn’t work !
Probably no distance nor DOF markings, as this is a zoom lens, and I highly doubt it’s parfocal one. Hence focus will shift during zooming, and as DOF is also dependent on FL, it cannot be pre-marked for all the covered FLs either (no room).
Bring it on when do you think we can actually have one to bye money is saty here burning a hole in my pocket
The snap ring is interesting, but because it is a zoom there will be no DOF markings I suppose.
It doesn’t matter both lenses (12 and 17) have wrong marks.. So actually is better that they don’t put anything instead of wrong random numbers.. I flagged this to the admin when the first img of the 17 were leaked…but apparently nobody use focus scale in the m43 community… So nobody except me and few other user complain about that…
Ok, wrong how? Are they DOF markings too conservative? Too optimistic? All over the place?
I have both lenses but I haven’t had the need to use the DOF scale yet. (But the 17mm’s scale seems too small to be useful)
I don’t care about aesthetic I’m not an hipster I only care about photography, if you have (like me the 17 and the 12 try to see at what distance at each fstop the mark say that you reach hyper focal, then see if that is correct, let me know if you need help to better understand it
Here a useful link to understand dof
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/dof-calculator.htm
Those marks are all wrong, they are not even close to what should be, compare it also with the voigtlander 17.5…
Just read again my post, and btw I didn’t want to be rude, I have to learn to write in a more polite way 🙂
The zoom will not have depth of field marking because this changes with focal length. It can only have the focus distance scale. This is only somewhat useful. In this day of autofocus, and hopefully, focus peaking, why would anyone need a distance scale without a depth of field scale? Maybe only for focus pulling on video.
So, are you contending that on the 12 and 17 lenses, the distance scale is wrong, or the depth of field scale, or both? I have been interested in getting these lenses, particularly the 12mm, but if the scales are wrong, then a major advantage goes away.
You simply use a curve for the dof lines on a zoom lense… At least that’s what mine do.
My 50-200 SWD is going on steroids and i carnt wait maybe its time to bye the EC14 now whoop whoop
My 50-200 SWD is going on steroids and i carnt wait maybe its time to bye the EC14 now whoop
Yay! Snap-Manual (I hate focus by wire)
You’d hope for Oly giving Sony better optics designs and 5 axis IBIS, that Sony also would give Oly some tricks for video recording quality.
Improved video or GH5
It’s still focus-by-wire, only with hard stops at the ends of the range. Focus-by-wire just means that the focus ring isn’t mechanically coupled to the motor.
Funny, I was looking at a picture of the 12-40mm last night and thought, “I wonder if that’s a snap ring.” Nice to see that it actually is. It will be mine! (Guess I’ll have to sell my 12-35mm, then.)
Side note: using the hot shoe for scale, the E-M1 is significantly bigger than the E-M5. I knew it would be a little bigger, but it is definitely more than just a bigger grip. The first side-by-side comparison pics may surprise some people.
God damn. I’m a big fan of AA filter-less cameras. Now I have a reason to be 1500 poorer rather than 900.
In these days I’m realizing that also E-m5 has no AA filter.
Someone says it has, a thin AA filter, but I’m shooting portraits at Venice Movie Awards and I can see moirée in many pictures (thin stripes suits, for example).
My Canon 30D had a “thick” old-fashioned AA filter but it still picked up moiré in certain fabrics – nearly ruined a wedding shoot (grooms jacket). It was only 8 Mpix, I know, but 16 Mpix isn’t enough to eliminate moiré, and it just goes to say that presence of moiré doesn’t proof lack of AA-filter.
Fashion photogs NEED low pass – a lot of other photogs would rather have the higher resolution. It all depends on your subjects and needs!
If you plan on shooting many more award shows, E-M1 is probably not the way to go …
Anders
@Andre It “failed” only once during thisedition, with Studio Ghibli president wearing a white suit with thin dark stripes. Crop it and the problem is gone, still it can be an issue, that’s true.
Other “ruined” shots were of an old window, on an abandoned house: someone forgot a shoe behind some kind of thin fishnet cover.
The original picture, taken with PanaLeica 25mm shows moirée, of course I can crop it, but the photo loses its “meaning”.
Most of time I appreciate the lack of AA filter, these are only small issues. (Clooney and James Franco were in black: no problem at all.) 🙂
But isn’t moiré already rendered in the resulting pixels in a picture?
How can cropping in post help out anything?
Moiré is created by an interference between the senor pixels pattern and the subject’s own patterns, but only within a certain resolution. That resolution can only be changed during shooting. Either by changing the subject distance, the FL/magnification, or the camera all together (having a different resolution or AA-filter). Or by artificially introducing a stronger “AA-filter” in the form of a lower resolution lens.
Cropping in post will only magnify the moiré pattern, not eliminate it.
Erik, not from this experience: I shoot the guy at photocall, when downloaded, the RAW file was showing heavy moirée, due to his suit.
If I look at he whole body figure I can see it clearly, cropping the image, and therefore zooming in, makes it disappear, because the lines on his suit appear wider.
Unfortunately I can’t post it yet, because of rights.
I have noticed moire in E-M5 RAW files that disappears when they converted into JPEG files.
This is the new way to solve moire – fix it via software.
Price for the 12-40mm only ?
The 12-40mm is rumored to be $900, but with the E-M1 it is supposed to be $700.
One sd card slot is a bit disappointing for a pro camera.
It’s great to have 2 slots, for example one for raw and other for jpeg backup, especially for wedddings and other on time events.
E5 didn’t really have functional 2 slots either, only silly stills/video option.
Otherwise camera looks great.
You could shoot jpeg and raw sorted
@anonymous
doesn’t help if you get card failure or help with the speed of your workflow…
Phase One IQ260 – One CF card slot.
….only one card slot … disappointing , very disappointing…hope it is a mistake in the report ….
With WiFi, NFC and whatnot, surely you can configure the cam in such a way, that pictures are automagically transferred in (near) real time to your phone/tablet etc.. This is your second slot for situations, when you really need one…
If focus is as fast for a 43 lens, it will be their best breakthrough yet. Sony’s/nikon/canon/pentax solutions are never elegant… it’ll be the OBS indeed. Wonder will the MMF-1 be suffice or we’ll need the MMF-3 for it to work.
Now I’m in a dilemma to keep the 14-54mk2 or switch to the 12-40…… decisions, decisions.
The only difference between the mmf-1 and mmf-3 is the fact that the later is splash/dust resistant while the first is not. Beyond that there is no difference.
On the basis the MMF is no more than a tube with electrical contacts, I see no reason why the MMF1 or 2 should not work with this body and a 4/3 lens combination, only shortcoming will be lack of weatherproofing, otherwise should work perfectly well.
There is a tiny bit of electronics in it, as it has to ‘convert’ between the closely related but not identical m4/3 and 4/3 communications.
This is also why it does count for the maximum number of adapters/converters/lenses you can mount (2 officially on all m4/3 cameras, so that is an (electronic) adapter and a lens, but not an (electronic) adapter, 4/3 teleconverter and a 4/3 lens, again officially. On older Panasonic cameras this limit is enforced, whereas Olympus cameras don’t enforce it except when doing a firmware upgrade).
Why risk a weather-proofed camera and lens for saving a few dollars
>>>Now I’m in a dilemma to keep the 14-54mk2 or switch to the 12-40…… decisions, decisions.
That’s mine as well. The 14-54 II is an outstanding lens. It has a bit more reaxh but with adapter may be a bit bulky.
Indeed its a great lens. In fact i sold the 12-60 for the 14-54mk2 cause I’m not a fan of it’s funky distortion.
Ahhh… I was wondering why the lens had that red marking in the front ring. Didn’t suspect it was for the hidden focus scale! Good move Oly, this lens is now almost perfect, I just wish it was not so shiny… Please Oly stop experimenting with lens barrel coatings! After 50 shades of grey are we going to suffer from 50 shades of black? Please stick to a design! 🙂
Roll on September 10, the price of epm2 should fall thereabouts 🙂
And the price of the new gadget soon after that.
Customers can always win a price war, should it be waged … 🙂
The best part of this EM1 is the 1 stop improvement over EM5 , if I really have to get into my first Oly camera , this is the main motivation .
Wondering what Pana will react considering the GH & G series already fall behind once again .
for me the one iso improvement is the less interesting detail to me. The EM5’s output was already good enough for me and will be for longer time. I am more into improved hardware stuff like the viewfinder, grip,full FT compatibility and possibly any video upgrades.
yes I agree
nothing realy new, only point 4 – mic input, single SD
point 7 you can see on photos
The questions are:
1) IQ? DR?
2) movies (in line or below Panasonic bodies)
Is it worth to pay more then current EM-5 price? It is much more expensive then EM-5.
For the one-thousandth time we will explain to you that the E-M1 has PDAF/CDAF and will auto focus very fast with the older 43 lenses. This is a great feature, and adds to the cost.
single SD card slot,maybe,maybe another CF card slot??
I’m surprised there’s no room for two SD card slots with the size of that grip. It’s gotta to be an oversight.
The 12-40 lens sounds better and better, but I’m still holding on to my 12-60! E-M1 makes it good again (on M43). An update to the 14-35 f2 lens on m43 would make me reconsider (I find f2.8 a little too dark indoors).
One SD slot is not the end of the world for me.
Any news about in the inclusion, or not of the digital tele-converter that the EPL5 and others has? It is so useful and my tests using it with the 50-200 give better results than with the EC20.
The “digital tele” simply crops the jpeg – does not affect raw at all. Seems mostly used by video folk so do expect it to be included, if not then just crop from raw!
“Sources” are used by Olympus to keep anticipation among users on high level.
They are not giving us the most important information about the camera like
video quality and PDAF use with native micro lenses.
The need to keep some “secrets” for the actual “launch” event.
Single SD slot, but a single CF slot too?
CF is dead. (And it’s official successor XQD is stillborn.)
It’s a SD world now.
More info about 40-150 please 🙂
So there will be line of PRO lenses, such as 12-40mm and rumoured 40-150mm.
Then I hope, I really hope that there will be UWA zoom about 8-15mm f/2.8.
And maybe also 7-8mm f/2.8 inexpensive UWA prime for Pen users.
I’m for 7mm prime.
8 or 9 mm f2 prime please !!!
A Zuiko UWA should be either 7-14 (to replace the big retrofocal native 4/3 version), or even better, a 6-12mm/4.0 to complement the 12-40mm std. pro zoom. The latter would also be widely (pun intended 😉 more competitive w/ the Pana 7-14 than any 8-15mm will be. The question is wether a 6-12mm can be designed non-retrofocal, considering the m4/3 flangeback distance of 19.25mm…
Then, as a compact alternative to a pro 6-12 or 7-14/4.0 zoom, an 8mm/3.5 prime could also be added to the lineup.
Imagine a sealed pro series 6-12/12-40/40-150 to go along w/ the E-M1!
That would be the ultimate rugged all-use travel-kit like no other!
My favorite 4/3 lens is the 11-22. It’s very useful for people photography. I prefer it to the 12-60 due to its negligible distortion at the wide end and more solid build. This lens will be a major reason for me to consider the E-M1 (Olympus is unlikely to make a m4/3 lens with similar specifications).
Surely, there will be a “pro” ultra-wide in due course (probably within one year). Knowing Olympus, they are likely to make a 7-12 or 8-14 f/2.8.
The fact that the 11-22mm zoom had only a 2:1 zoom ratio is a big reason why it possessed such little distortion and was so sharp.
Camera manufacturers have gotten at increasing the zoom ratio on certain zoom ranges. For standard zooms, 2:1 zoom ratios were the norm only three decades ago. My old Zuiko 35-70/3.6 allowed me to produce images hat rivaled my 90/2 macro in resolution and contrast. Olympus expanded the zoom range slightly with their next pro standard zoom blockbuster, the 35-80/2.8, with a 16:7 zoom ratio. The 4:3 14-35/2 had an expanded 5:2 zoom ratio. Now the 12-40, which is supposed to be around the same or better resolution/contrast quality standard as the 14-35/2, sports a zoom ratio of 10:3.
For the other popular zoom range, the short tele to medium tele zoom, those ratios used to be roughly 3:1, like the 70-200/2.8 pro zooms that most major lens manufacturers used to release some 30 years back. The upcoming ZD µ4:3 40-150/2.8 sports an incredible 15:4 ratio and extends from short tele to super telephoto focal lengths.
Yeah, I think they will go 6-12mm to be consistent with their growing pro zoom line. The 4:3 super zooms also included a 90-250/2.8 blockbuster. It remains to be seen whether Oly ZD will attempt to release a medium tele to super tele pro zoom that their new pro µ4:3 body can handle easily.
I’d like a PRO level 40-150 and a PRO level 100-300.
I’m ok with keeping the same f stops (if I wanted to carry huge, I’d have kept my Canon 70-200 and my Canon MK2)and increasing the IQ a lot, but unfortunately, the “rules of the game” state that professional level lenses *must* be at least around 2.8 or so.
Even if 4/3 works properly and fast, what is the sense to buy new 4/3 lenses? Huge, heavy DSLR lenses with small micro43 body?
In micro43 we have most of new, small versions of old 4/3 lenses:
1) Wide angle
4/3 9-18mm f/4-5.6
7-14mm f/4
micro43 9-18mm f/4-5.6 (much smaller)
7-14mm f/4 (much smaller)
2) standard fast zoom
4/3 14-54mm f/2.8-3.5
12-60mm f/2.8-4
14-35mm f/2
micro43 12-35mm f/2.8
12-40mm f/2.8
3) fast tele zoom
4/3 50-200mm f/2.8-3.5
35-100mm f/2
micro43 35-100mm f/2.8
40-150mm f/2.8
4) Macro
4/3 35mm f/3.5 macro
50mm f/2 macro
45mm f/2.8 macro
105mm f/2.8 macro
150mm f/2.8 macro
micro43 45mm f/2.8 macro
60mm f/2.8 macro
Only long, huge and very expensive, like 90-250mm f/2.8, 300-800mm f/5.6 and 300mm f/2.8 has no equivalent in micro43. But there is a lot of new primes in smaller system.
Yeah, but the EM-1 is meant for existing 43 users to use their legacy glasses. If you don’t like those bulky lenses, you can always wait for a later version. I don’t see the point of complaining it right now.
How many of them still remain?
There was not new 4/3 for years, and E3, E5 had sensors below competition. I think, 95% of 4/3 has left the system before EM-1 premiere.
There should be a lot of 4/3 lenses in the second hand market, with cheap prices, but there aren’t. 4/3 is dead.
Of course, if there will be some TOP lenes like 90-205/2.8 or 35-100/2 with bargain price, maybe some people will buy it. But the best idea is to buy small micro43 lenses.
I you look at the re-sale value of 4/3 glass that means there is plenty of demand for this glass, many pro’s still use their E5 with Zuiko glass because it is fantastic for their needs.
They are fantastic. And while it comes with bigger bulk (that is still typically half that of comparable FF competitors), don’t discount f2 vs. f2.8 for portraiture. It does make a difference.
and even so, there are still no equivalent lenses to 14-35 f2, 50-200 (with and without teleconverters), or the highly versatile 12-60
The 43 70-300mm lens is much cheaper than the newer m43 equivalent.
Because f2.8 is miles away from f2. There is a reason a lot of those new zooms are 2.8. You gain back the size even if you are only a stop away.
Don’t get me wrong. I like small size. I like the new MFT primes. They’re fast and small. But fixed. People are skewed because they haven’t held old film cameras. And if I’m doing portrait work with my 14-35 or working the 35-100, I’ll take the faster lens with better DOF. Don’t forget that a disadvantage (or advantage depending on the scenario) of the FT/MFT sensor size is double the DOF at a comparable setting. So f2 is f4 DOF. I can work that comfortably. f2.8 and I’m a notch too high.
One more thing. It will be interesting to see if the FT pro lenses are better placed to take full advantage of the no AA. No predictions but they just might be. Photography is compromises. Something has to give when you go smaller in the lenses. But it’s the same size chip as FT.
@ In My Opinion…Hey, you forgot the 4/3 8mm f3.5! A very nice lens for 4/3 and now the new m4/3 body; only 75mm in length (flange to end of built-in lens hood), and excellent optics.
Olympus have no lens in m4/3 in that range (Pana does but IQ not up with the Oly 4/3) so another contender where there is no direct equivalent.
“8) The 12-40mm is the first lens of the new PRO lens line”
So, the 75 f1.8 is not up to the same level. It must be great then.
A pro lens must be sealed.
Hence the 75/1.8, despite it’s superb optics and build, cannot be labeled as pro.
Wow, didn’t know it. So the MZuiko60mm isa Pro lens? As the E-m5 kit lens? Sorry, I don’t agree with this definition of Pro lens.
It was quite clear that he wasn’t claiming that weather-sealing is the ONLY requirement to be considered a “pro” lens, but one of several factors: optics, build and weather sealing.
This is a proposition of what should define a pro lens, taken for granted and passed as an argument.
hmmm thats just an opinion accordding to Dirty Harry.
Well, I don’t agree with that. I have 5 current generation Leica lenses and 3 last generation Hasselblad V lenses, plus 3 Shneider and one Fujinon for my 8×10 view camera, and many fast Olympus, Panasonic, and Voightlander lenses for my MFT cameras. Most of them are superb lenses used by many professionals around the world, and none of them are sealed and most are manual focus. I think a pro lens is a very well built lens with top notch image quality, any other feature is a welcomed bonus.
That’s my opinion. It depends on your type of work (because to me “Pros” work with their gear): if you shoot in studio or in theaters all you need is IQ. If you’re out in the forest and it’s raining, you need a weather sealed gear.
But it’s not mandatory for everyone.
I’m hoping Oly ZD releases a pro 75/1.4 with 62mm filter-size threads to match the filter sizes of the 12-40mm and 40-150mm F2 brothers.
I could by wrong, but I think the ‘PRO’ designation on the new Olympus m4/3 lenses might be a reference to being able to benefit from phase detect autofocus commands from the body.
(as well as still being able to respond to the contrast detect AF commands for backwards compatibility).
Is this likely?
It doesn’t matter what you think a pro lens is, what we are talking about is how Olympus designates their pro lens line. The speculation is that all Olympus “Pro” mft lenses will be sealed, but not all sealed lenses will be pro. Get it?
why pay £1000+ for 12-40 lens when you can have weather sealed, smaller, lighter with better reach 14-54mkII which optically is impeccable and beasts even 20mm at f2.8 and I believe even this new pro lens (as it was built for 43)
it cost £430 new..200 used but perfect condition, pdaf no longer affects you with this camera
I know it is not f2.8 all the way but is only f3.5 at 54mm!!
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I sort of agree… But (i) is the 14-54 lighter?/smaller?, (ii) it could be that the 12-40 will be optically (somewhat) better, (iii) I assume that the new 12-40 will have faster AF than the 14-54.
I used the Nikkor 24-70/2.8 on a DX sensor = 36-105 mm FF wise, and found that to be a very useful range. The 14-54 would be even better with 28-108, and nearly as good speed (2.8-3.5).
The 14-54 is NOT smaller or lighter. Remember, you’ll have to add the length of the adapter when you compare it to the 12-40.
If you don’t have MMF you need to buy it ! so it adds to the price (and the length). It’s not 12 mm at the wide but only 14 mm, it dépends if you like wider or longer. I prefer wider for landscapes !
14-54 does not contain ED glass and is rather soft wide open. Stopping it down to f/4 solves most of the problems though. I hope the 12-40 performs better.
personally I’ve never had any issues using the 14-54 wide open…
exactly…at F2.8 it beats my Panasonic 20mm at F2.8, is here anybody that dare to say Panasonic 20mm at F2.8 is mushy? is razor sharp (sometimes not even preferred)
Of course it varies with focal lenght – some steps might be affected, but most lower steps are sharp
We will see the weight/size comparison, but adapter doesn’t add so much weight/size and is only cca £130 in price (weather sealed) so again, not cca £1100 that Oly will ask for this lens.
but I hope like you all that it will beat the old glass – one reason to really ‘invest’ but it needs to be justified (super-fast and most importantly precise focus, great color rendition unlike Panasonic 12-35 busy bokeh or too neutral colors etc…)
And it’s f2,9 even at 35mm, and f3,1 at 40mm, that means only 8% darker than 12-35.
because people want 12mm on the wide end? The reason i got the 12-60, just that little bit more versatile… but having 2,8 on the 60 end would have been bliss on my older e3 from time to time…
the single sd slot i do not mind, lack of a build in flash is a bit less… still probably gonna get one or wait what the omd-em5ii is going to be and making the em1 drop in price, probably not worth the wait, just get one at either a great kit price or when the first price drops occure early next year.
Time to sell my Sony stuff!
Sell Sony stuff? Wait one week and the Sony NEX 7 replacement will be announced. It can’t cost more than this $1500 and will likely be much better. I would prefer the EM-1 too but this is way too expensive for basically the same as EP-5.
in what way will it be better? I am not sure the sensor will be a significant advance over the existing NEX sensors, and the difference between the OM-D EM5 and the NEX6 were close to negligible. So as far as I can tell the NEX7 will be on a par with the EM-1. Add to that the Sony interface is one of the worst in the mirrorless market and the lenses are APS-C lenses which makes the packager more bulky. Given that the advantage of mirrorless is their compact size, it does not have a lot going for it.
Mmm here we are speculating about cameras that none of us has tried (E-m1) or seen (new Nex7).
Sony is surely going to show new and interesting sensor techs in the next few months (see Sonyalpharumors website): wether we’ll see it in Nex7 successor, in a DSLR shaped mirrorless or in a Nex FullFrame, noone can tell, at the moment.
Ciao Marco, slightly OT: looks like we are almost neighbors.Do you know a “real” store around here (Veneto-Friuli) where we can try the camera without preorder?
obviously I was referring to the E-M1 🙂
Ciao Paniko! I’m waiting for news about it (price & availability): as soon I know something I’ll let you know here.
That’s a BIG difference. Don’t act like it isn’t. That is, if it is Full Frame.
more interested in FF Nex , and lens rumours suggest lenses will be compact , could be a very interesting proposition
yes I can see that makes sense
you come to a 43rds forum to look for FF Sony
duh!
prob some people think a mirrorless 24×36 has small lenses too
Hi together,
a weel good informed source from a BIG Retailer in central Europe told me Yesterday they will Order 1000 pieces from Oly.
Olympus will bring out 5 Packages .
1. EM-1 Body only 1.499 €
2. EM-1 + MMF-5 1.749 €
3. EM-1 + MMF-5 + HLD 7 1.949 €
4. EM-1 + 12-50 mm 1.799 €
5. EM-1 + 12-40 mm 2.199 €
Greets
Merlin
700e for the 12-40 is a great price!
What is mmf5? Does it add anything over mmf3???
I wondered the same because I haven’t seen it mentioned. But MMF-3’s are mostly out of stock and a look at Olympus URL’s shows that they are now ready for an MMF-5 (while pointing to MMF-3 content).
http://www.olympus-europa.com/site/en/c/cameras_accessories/pen_om_d_cameras_accessories/pen_om_d_lenses_adapters/mmf_5/
I doubt MMF-5 is the metal version of MMF-3, probably MMF-3 is not strong enough to support lens like 90-250mm..
That would make sense. Great powerful FT lenses they aren’t going to make (for at least a while) in MFT.
You are right. My source told me, that the MMF-5 is more stable. He said there will be problems with 50-200 and bigma 50-500 if they still would use the Old One. It will work with MMF-3, but Steel is more stable than plastic.
In the end he told me something very interresting!!!!!
All the People having a bigma 50-500 , Do NOT sell it, until you try this Lens with EM-1. This Lens Works great with the New Camera.
The Guys from Olympus were realy impressed how the bigma Works with the New flagship. If you have Money, buy one. here in GER you can buy a Used One for ca. 600€ .
so @admin can report this. But I am surprise that MMF-3 is not stable for 50-200, so if it’s true, the MMF-3 is only made for 14-54, 12-60 and 7-14, coz all other weather sealed lenses are heavier than 50-200…As a holder of 50-200, I hope that’s mader for 14-35, 35-100, 150 f2 and 50-250.
The Sigma 150mm macro lens should work well too then.
Admin did say new adaptor at the outset, but I think “that” video showed 14-35 f2 on MMF3.
It would be nice if it had an added Fn button on it too, 😉 but that’s just wishful thinking as the most important part would be the solid metal body of it.
Can I wish for a MF-AF switch on it too? 😉 😀
I have the movie button on my E-M5 set as a AF/MF button. I would guess this could be done on the E-M1 also. Then there is also two buttons on the front of the camera on the right side of the lens mount that might be programmable.
Pricing is actually quite reasonable if you look at what Panasonic charge for the GH bodies…
This camera is RIDICULOUSLY priced!!! $1500.00 can get you a Canon 7D or close to a 6D (body only). And I don’t want to hear this is for 43 lens owners/users, because 43 lens owners are the 1% of the market! -IF THAT!!
At that price, you’re better off getting a OMD, GH3 or GX7.
And if you’re getting it simply because it’s a “Olympus”, you’re simply Blind.
When this camera refuses to sell, and Olympus gets taken over by a rival, good luck on getting Camera Updates and you’ll REALLY be loving those 43 glass! LOL!!!
Mr ALLCAPS
Remember that this cam is designed with the 4/3 user base in mind, for utilizing their 4/3 glass. It’s not meant to cater just m4/3 users. Stop being such an ego – go buy an E-P”something”. Lots to chose from there, if bulk and weight is your first priority. And don’t think for a minute that there are no 4/3 glass still out there, waiting for an updated camera body. Same goes for the 4/3 users themselves. This new m4/3 crowd, those who have never had any 4/3 gear, and have no user history within the Olympus brand, must be the most selfish egos ever… 🙁
The em-5 IQ beats the 7D hands down.I assume the new EM1 will do an even better job.
For some reason larger sensors, like the APS-C and FF, aren’t playing in the same league as the highest quality m43 sensors, on a mm by mm basis.
I was at a fair this weekend with the em5 and the 75mm 1.8. I saw a gentleman with a Nikon D800 and a Nikon zoom (not sure what range, but relatively medium, like say 30-80 or something– I don’t know Nikon lenses).
I showed him the quality of the image at ISO 1600, blowing it up on the camera back. I asked if he would take one with his setup just to compare.
I asked twice, thinking that maybe he hadn’t heard me. He just didn’t want to do it, claiming he had no time. Um…right.
The price will probably drop once they’ve milked the 4/3 users with no other options, and the early adopters who’ll pay anything.
no, it will not drop, look at the price of E-5 in past three years you will know.
And for many the EM1 will be a better option than the 7D – they are both in the same class, if you prefer the 7D at that price buy it rather than be A TOOL WHO TYPES LIKE A CHILD, LOL
But if they added 24/25p and some higher bitrate it would be underpriced. If they on topp of that had an AA filter or had found some way to reduce moire, then it would be siriosly underpriced and should cost at least $2000.
If it has 25p I will preorder it instantly, if it doesnt I wont buy it at all.
Even if body only would be $2000, it is cheaper than buying into a new system…
Hahaha, nice one, you got him! Are you realling “laughing out loud” like a madman behind your screen? Seems that way.
Do remember: if Oly is taken over by some other firm than Pany, maybe it will spell doom for the m43 system! Of course, your fantasies in this regard are the mark of a true madman: hoping for someone else’s demise, oblivious to the consequences.
Please get help.
May I suggest family counselling? One big happy family, you know 😉
Looks like i’m gonna be 1.949€ more in debt
There are better alternatives than this Overpriced camera.
I’ll be in “debt” with myself. Having bought lot’s of HG-SHG glass off the used market last years, and being deep into the 43 system (flashes,remotes,wires and so on) i’m forced to be a what you used to call “fanboy”.I’ll see what this camera could deliver,then i’ll decide.One of the pros is the fact that it sure help keep the “used” price of my lenses quite the same i’ve had paid for.
Just like I thought – 4/3 users would have to spend 2000€ to get at least some kind of a replacement for their E-x.
Again, the camera won’t sell.
It will sell even if you don’t think so.
2. EM-1 + MMF-5 1.749 € (Granted that an upgrading E-X user already owns many ZD lenses and don’t need to buy the 12-50 nor the 12-40…)
So 1749€ < 2000€ : Could you please explain your math?
Based on YOUR arguments (none) I state that "It will sell". Ah!
3. EM-1 + MMF-5 + HLD 7 1.949 €
That’s about 2000€ right there – even more, actually, since you need an extra battery charger and extra batteries.
MMF-5 is adding over MMF-3
Did you mean that is NECESSARY to have the MMF-5 to have fast focussing with 4/3’s glass ?
I think MMF-5 will give fix focus on FT lens. 😛
I ask myself. GAS aside, is it worth instead of an EM5? I have no 43 lenses. This costs twice as much as an EM-5.. worth it???? I need to fight my GAS and think straight!
Im an EM5 owner too and will wait to see if there is a significant IQ increase – I would expect an IQ increase of 15%+ to begin getting tempted and I can’t expect that will happen until the next generation of sensors.
If you upgrade from E-M5 with no 43 lenses, than you propably have to much money… or couldnt fight GAS 😉
As a satisfied em5 owner (satisfied with IQ), a one stop improvement is significant, but not that significant. For $1,500 I’ll wait until the next generation.
IF the next generation, in late 2014, gives me at 800 the IQ of what is currently 200, then I’ll buy. Otherwise, I can wait. No real hurry.
Bitrate, codecs, hdmi free out, etc, …? Too many questions, and no answers, no jack headphones
What SD memory standard?
SD UHS cards are darned fast, all depends what controller they put in the E-M1. UHS SD cards are backwards compatible with Standard SD cards.
A mini WiFi tablet with SD UHS card(s) support would be a handy accessory. Maybe toss in a GPS receiver?
Is the EVF LCD?
The sentiment regarding the E-M1 ranges between ‘the second coming’ and ‘overpriced shit’. I’m sure it’s neither of these.
What we are going to see is the first mirrorless camera that overcomes the two inherent disadvantages of this technology vis a vis the DSLR:
a. questionable viewing integrity and
b. problematic tracking AF
In this sense the E-M1 is indeed a “revolution” (such as Oly’s teaser implies), but OTOH its capabilities are not going to be far superior to what the E-M5 has been offering for the past 18 months. The truth is m4/3 has been quite a mature system for a while now.
The E-M1’s big problem is going to be its positioning in the “pro” segment where the market is still deeply concerned with sensor area. In practice camera technology crossed the “good enough” bar about three years ago, but this specific market segment is yet to acknowledge the end of the MP/DR/ISO wars. It is perhaps still too early for a m4/3 camera to compete there, even as a complimentary system (many will prefer a second system with a larger sensor regardless of build, durability, lens selection etc.)
So, despite being truly innovative, the E-M1 will not be good enough for its target market. Furthermore, it might not be good enough to justify a switch for most existing advanced users of the m4/3 system. Clever marketing may be the answer.
If I were Olympus I would try to associate the E-M1 with its unique set of qualities, which are:
* robust
* reliable
* “low maintenance” (a set of attributes including good JPEG processing, advanced IBIS, anti-dust system, environmental sealing and flexible user interface)
* fast
* “good enough”
* smallish
* nostalgic
* innovative
I believe many photojournalist types (and wannabes) will be interested if their attention is drawn to this little beast. Another possible demographic which may be attracted to it is the nature, wildlife and extreme sports types. Olympus has not been very good at marketing. Hopefully they manage to convey a strong, convincing message with this one because it’s truly one of a kind.
“Another possible demographic which may be attracted to it is the nature, wildlife and extreme sports types.”
Yes, hopefully the focus tracking will be good on this camera. Would go a long way with wildlife and sport.
The one thing missing is still High Quality Fast “m4/3” telephoto zoom lenses. The rumored 40-150mm may help. But 75-300mm and 100-300mm seem poor and slow. 4/3 is the only other option.
I think “overpriced shit” applies to the GH3. A camera matching the em5’s IQ a year later, and much bigger.
So far Olympus doesn’t seem to have fallen prey to that problem of camera size growth. If the em1 does, I guess I’ll be waiting a long time for the next m43 camera, until they make them small again, which was the whole reason I dumped Canon to go into m43.
And if it has good video qualities, it would be the only cam with 5-axis IBIS and decent video. So maybe there are some videographers that want to upgrade.
I think that’s a pretty fair review. GAS aside, if you don’t have a lot of HG/SHG glass, and/or you have a E-M5 (that’s my boat), the camera is nice but not a dramatic improvement with the possible exception of the VF. The folks who own E-5’s now know what their next camera will look like. It’ll cost $2,000 (camera + adapter + grip), but they’ll pay it because there won’t be an E-7.
Along the way, I think more and more FF users will look at this system. I bought my E-M5 from a graphic designer who used FF Canon/L glass and wanted a more compact system. He sold it to me because it was “too small” (??!!). I’ll bet he would buy an E-M1/12-40. The “other forum” has a comparative shot of the E-620/E-M1/E-M5. The new camera (body only) isn’t far from 620 size, and it looks like Oly has really worked on some of the ergonomic issues that came with the E-M1. I actually think they’ll sell a LOT of these, and a many more of the 12-40. A “pro” line of fast zooms will pretty much complete the Oly high end m4/3s lineup.
The E-M1 will be nice on old OM lens by an MF-2 so also have focus peeking, but i will rather pay $2000 for an new E-5, than an E-M1 now.
Not disagreeing with you in general, sneye, but when it comes to mirrorless with good AF, especially for tracking, the Nikon 1 system has done it quite a while ago. Now, maybe the new Olympus beats the Nikon 1 in this regard, but so far we only have promises and no facts.
“5) New Environmental Sensing System will adjust VF brightness automatically, according to scene.”
I have limited experience with EVF cameras (Fuji X100, X100s and X-pro 1), but I’ve always found it weird that the Fuji hybrid VF cameras could adjust the brightness of the framing lines in OVF mode but couldn’t adjust the brightness of the EVF as well despite probably responding to an identical algorithm / sensing mechanism (typical Fuji idiocy). So if Olympus cameras didn’t have this feature before, what can I say other than camera manufacturers really are a little stupid at times ? It should have been there on day one of EVF cameras, it’s camera design 101.
I really have the feeling there is a lot of waste of good engineering because of crappy design decisions.
Come on guys, there’s still an EM5 successor coming and a lower spec EM5 too.
If you don’t like the EM1, just don’t buy it, it is not meant for you.
Those bitxhing around probably are not the ones who will buy in reality.
@ admin: can you tell us anything about the close-focus abilities of the 12-40?
the high-quality 4/3 lenses (12-60 and 14-54) have good close-focus ability. what about the 12-40?
Better be built like a BMW for that price.
Still no mention of 24p!
I can’t wait to buy the E-M1 with the 12-40 mm M.Zuiko lens. Then I will get a few of those sweet 4/3 Zuiko lenses. 🙂
amalric, my hairline is less receded than yours, and I use 4/3 lenses. I may be middle aged, but I’m no “old fogey”. Why is everybody acting so polarized? What about those of us that currently use both 4/3 and m4/3 cameras and lenses? I never jumped ship, I just let my quiver grow.
I’m stoked about the OM-D EM1. I still prefer the image quality, DR and colors of my E-5, over the GH3, for photography. For video, the GH3 is the obvious choice. Once I buy the EM1, the GH3 will be used strictly for video work. I’ll use the E-5 and OM1 as companions. 150 f2 or 50 f2 on the E-5 and 20 f1.7 or 12 f2 on the EM1. The 9-18 4/3 lens will be used on either.
The is this so Olympus have think to give this secti large use the crust an good choice. The is many so will upgrade from all E-xxx camera so will use these good FT lens them have from before the have sam size and also good grip, so you is not alone, the is many photographers so use E-30 or E-620 by E-3 and E-5 in the last year. 😉
Some commentators make it sound like ‘Unless you have some 43 lenses, you don’t need E-M1’. Well, I think that is narrow-minded, from every angle that camera is so beautiful that I can’t take my eyes off of it and that alone is more than enough for me.
+1
yes, but.. imagine you don’t have an EM-5, and you want to buy one of the two.. wouldn’t the EM-5 be a much cheaper option? then you can add the 12-40 on top, if you want. What has the EM-1 more than the EM-5? Better ergo (but more bulk) and an improved EVF, basically (and a bunch of minor features like Wifi etc.). Are these improvements worth double the price?
I have had my E-M5 for 14 months and over 20,000 shots. I love the camera had have brought a lot of the mft lenses. The few things I don’t like about the camera is the cramp button’s and having to go into the SCP for even basic changes. Anyhow, the grip, and the better space buttons, plus a built-in VF4 are good enough reasons for me to buy the camera. From all the leaks there looks to be even more reasons. When I get the E-M1 I am looking forward to buying a few FT lenses.
True. It also has the large built-in grip that so many people asked for, and a possible 1-stop improvement in DR. WiFi tethering. More buttons. Maybe improved video. Lots of reasons other than PDAF to want this camera.
I think, however, the $1,500 price tag is hitting that spot where people won’t get it unless they really need these features or, like you, are in love with the looks. Which is good, I think. Another way camera companies strive to help us learn more about ourselves.
Well we know that a flagship deserves the latest technology. I don’t deserve it 🙂
However the beauty of Oly so far is that it has been democratic. So we might expect PDAF-on-sensor to trickle down even to the E-PLx, it’s just a matter of patience.
Some things however don’t trickle down like 5-axis IBIS and shutter life, in terms of actuations, so the price difference is not entirely wasted.
Well, to tell you the truth, it is a very rare occasion in my life to see something beautiful and out of the ordinary that brings joy and happiness to my heart. Yes the camera is expensive but the kit with 12-40 is well priced, if it was excessively priced I would’nt have considered it. What is important now is the inner beauty of the E-M1 and how it will perform against the competition, that remains to be seen!
Amalric: I appreciate your saying that you are trolling here. That way I can tell when I don’t need to take your comment seriously, since often you do make a good point!
If sarcasms start with (sarcastic) and jokes with (joking) and so forth, life could be so much easier. 🙂 It’s so hard to tell sometimes without nonverbal cues. Also with (deliberately offensive). And, we can then judge trollers on the basis of how successfully provocative they are, rather than the merits of their supposed argument. Perhaps a new troll rating system? T+ for good tries? T- for tired old platitudes?
T- for this one, since you’ve said these things quite a few times before.
And, to all the 4/3 folks, sorry we µ43 people took over your rumor site. Thank you for sharing it with us, and glad we are going to be One Happy Family at last!
There are certainly good folks with 4/3 equipment that have gone through undeserved hardships, that now will be solved by this hybrid camera.
But I can’t forget the discrimination and intolerance of what used to be one of the main forums on the internet and that was blindly forbidden to m4/3, until now what is left of it are just smoking cinders.
I am always surprised at how little equipment real photogs and pros use, compared to collectors . that also explains the success of m4/3, from its modest beginnings.
OTH I find it surprising of how few can take sarcasm and irony in their one dimensional world, and will directly report to mods, as if we were in a totalitarian country.
Thankfully this site seems to be immune to it – that is one of the motives why readership is increasing by the day while DPR’s is declining as fast.
BTW I still have two 4/3 lenses myself so I am technically hybrid and an old geezer 🙂
Well, all of us aren’t newbies like you, amalric.
Many have been loyal Oly users for decades, and thus sitting on a substantial inventory of 4/3 gear. Let alone having experience enough to know that until the E-M1, no m4/3 camera have been sufficient for replacing the 4/3 bodies with native 4/3 lenses. Now that changes. PDAFOS makes the native Zuikos shine again, the ergonomics and sturdiness is on par w/ the E-x series, and the VF-4 is good enough to replace even a good OVF. With the advent of the E-M1, the former reluctance and doubt is gone, and we can at last enjoy the OBS, which we have patiently been waiting for for so long.
So don’t fool yourself into thinking that the “old” 4/3 users oppose to m4/3 as such. That has never been the case. We have just been waiting for the system to mature, and for the right camera to emerge. Maybe you don’t understand that, as you have only little experience, and little gear to gain experience with. Only your little world, so to speak… Furthermore, most 4/3 photogs aren’t hostile towards the m4/3 users, as opposed to the m4/3 crowd, where so many tries to ridicule the 4/3 users, for reasons I never have been able to fathom.
Myself I will buy teh E-M1, fully fledged w/ adapters, powergrip and all, for use w/ my whole range of 4/3 Zuikos, as well as building also a lightweight m4/3 lineup around it (starting w/ the 12-40), for having a superb travel kit as well, and enjoying the ultimate utilization of the OBS. That is what the E-M1 is all about – quality, versatility, system longevity – regardless of what camp you come from or live in. And that is in my book being neither stupid, old or foggy. YMMV – or should I rather say YOU may vary?
LOL – spare me the chicken feed and the propaganda. I was long enough in the 4/3 forums to watch the intolerance of your kind towards m4/3, and the split imposed by the DPR’s overlords, lest m4/3 be smothered at birth by you nice guys.
Thankfully m4/3 is not held at ransom anymore by the old guard at Olympus, and hopefully it will keep developing past its past market share of arrogant happy few, pushing its sales in Asia, among ordinary people.
E-M1 and OBS will just be a fleeting transitional episode in a different format, and a different technology, of which you know very little. But you can always learn…
I am a Nikon D300 user but have used the Olympus MFT system for underwater photography. The smaller size of the body, lighter weight of the Olympus housing and more importantly the affordability of the Olympus housing vs. 3rd party (>$3000) housings have led to this decision. Needless to say I’m considering this EM-1 for my underwater needs but I’m wondering if Olympus will release a housing….anyone hear anything as far whether Olympus intends to release a housing and for how much? Any tidbits would be greatly appreciated.
5) PT-EP11 Waterproof housing, ¥100,000
Converted: 750 Euro or $1000
(http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-price-of-the-e-m1-and-12-40mm-lens-in-yen/)
Thanks! That’s encouraging. I wonder if it will be released at the same time as the E-M1. I hope so because I was hoping to take it on a trip to Bonaire in early to mid October!
Kind of disappointed that it doesn’t have dual card slots, but then again in this day and age SD cards are much more durable. Moreover, I think if they add another slot they will have to redesign the whole cam given that it’s not much bigger than the Em5.
Wait, how about another card slot in the extra grip? Can they do it?
I am surprised by all the comments about dual cards and the talk as if the only difficulty in adding the capability was space to fit it. Surely that is the least of the problems from Olympus’ point of view?
The E-M1 is obviously based heavily on the E-M5 to cut down on development time and cost. Surely a second card would involve adding a whole new bus to the motherboard, together with different controller chips and the OS would have to be re-written to interface with the new bus controllers plus adding all the options that people would inevitably want concerning the second card and slot, which would have to go somewhere in the menus…
It seems to me adding a second card slot is not trivial and wouldn’t be cheap.
This might have been asked already, but how long do you guys think it will take from time of announcement (the 10th) until we as consumers will be able to order and recieve our em-1? I am really excited about this camera. I am officially stepping back from my event photography career and selling off my entire Canon rig. I think this camera and the Voigtlander Nokton lenses are going to keep and even rekindle my passion for shooting. “Bumps along the road of my own photographic learning/working have caused a loss of passion for the art.” EM-1 Looks like it will be a great new rig for me!
I heard about a month… so I’d guess late October, early November timeframe for initial shipments.
This sounds about what the Olympus rep told me. He was really hoping for early Nov but was pretty sure by Black Friday.
Right on! A month isnt so bad. I was thinking it would end up being Christmas! Bring it on!
Has there been any information about E-M1 movie mode, especially if the exposure can be adjusted during video shooting, preferably in manual mode by adjusting aperture?
If you use a legacy manual focus lens you can adjust exposure while filming with an E-M5.
Yes, that would work. I have Oly m4/3 lenses and when shooting with E-M5 video mode and manual exposure the aperture dial or exposure compensation do not work during video capture.
I wondered if the E-M1 has any change on this.
Haha!! Yeah, keep dreaming… more like:
Olympus
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You know the rest…
Update MMF-5: Olympus guaranty , that each of the FT Glases is working with MMF-5 as it would be nativ FT. Also AF working Perfect. Not like with MMF-3.