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That news is going to make me very happy 🙂
Trusted sources and sources at Popco (via Dicahub) do confirm the LX100 design is very close to the glorious [shoplink 46868 ebay]Panasonic LC1 (here on eBay)[/shoplink]. But according to my source it’s much smaller and weights around 400g only. The camera will ship by end of the year says Popco. Like I told you before announcement is on Monday September 15 at 13:00 in Berlin time! Stay tuned on 43rumors!
Alrady known LX100 specs:
– Sensor: 16MP Multi aspect Four Thirds(!). Real resolution is a bit lower.
– 24-75mm f/1.7-2.8 lens
– Built-in EVF: 2,76 milion dots, 1.39x / 0.7x magnification
– ISO 200-25600. Can be extended down to 100!
– 4K recording (with time limitation to avoid heating issue)
– exact camera size: 4.52″ x 2.6″ x 2.4″
– hot shoe
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Shipped by the end of the year? Gosh, I hope we won’t have to wait until December… 🙁
Why? Can’t you take pictures otherwise?
Ha! That’s a good one 🙂
No, I’m simply waiting for this camera for a particular video project and I need its features.
So, can they make that 24-75mm f1.7-2.8 as a micro four thirds lens? that would be very attractive, faster than any native zoom for m43.
Of course they could… at least in a slightly bigger form factor, but will they?
I always thought a product like the LX100 would not arrive to protect sales of more profitable interchangeable lens cameras.
But now if they release that kind of disruptive camera (at least for their own intended market), would it damage Panasonic lens sales to release such a lens?
Anyway, either way is the way to go, only by having greater apertures can you deliver as much light to the sensor as rival APS-C cameras.
They could but it wouldn’t be the same thing. First because it’s a 10.9-34mm made for a 2.2x crop, which is a bit smaller than normal Micro4/3’s 12-37.5 and second because there is quite a difference between having a fixed lens camera and making a lens for a ILC, so it would necessarily be larger.
Cool. Just deliver the rumored GM2 in the L-1 shape, and I’m good.
But somehow, put the evf in the middle.
like the EVF on the side so your face (my face) doesn’t have to smash into the LCD.
Design inspirated…. or rather inspired?
Design …pirated
They pirated the design…from themselves?
From classical rangefinder cameras like leicas etc.
This camera is a truly 20years best camera. The lens 1.7 2.8 is a spectacular.
With this gem Panasonic rise a top of market and this become a gold-master camera with pro photo and video features. Terrible storm coming on other manufacters -4 day
Well, I’m not going to go over the top with prose about it…but I am looking to see what I can sell to get this! I don’t NEED it, I have an E-M1 with lenses that more than cover this. But…..maybe I sell all lenses bar my 75-300, and add this little treasure. Upgrade later to the 40-150/2.8 and 300/4, call it done.
Ultra expensive Leica version coming in 3.. 2.. 1!
Already mentioned at Leicarumors 🙂
I don’t care too much about design, but about compactness. “Only” 400g is toot heavy and rumored size too big to fit my purposes : a ‘always-with-me’ pocket camera…
I’m a bit disappointed. LX100’s specs are fine (sensor size, lens quality), but I’ll probably choose a RX100mk3.
If pocketability is a priority, RX100 is really the way to go, but I wouldn’t use the word “disapointed” just because of that. Well, for you maybe not, but for a lot of people the size/weight exchange is nothing compared to the upside this camera brings, even more as a very flexible video camera.
Yes, obviously (and hopefully) there is many different needs!
It’s just meant that the word “disapointed” in that context makes it sounds like there were some unfulfilled promisses or that it would make this a less of a camera, which is not the case.
The rx100 is definitely the “pocketable” champ, even if it is big for some pockets, and it will stay that way after this Panny is released. The panny will be too big to be direct competition.
I wonder when we can expect a slimmer pocket cam with 1″ sensor? I heard a rumor about a canon s series with 1″- that would be interesting. Imagine a 1″ sensor, and a 24-120 f1.8-5.7 lens, in a smaller body than the rx100 mk1. That would be a very nice option for a pocketable cam.
The original rx100 was close, but a little slimmer would really seal the deal. Sony seems to be going in the other direction, adding EVFs, hotshoes, tilt screens, etc, all at the expense of more bulk.
I don’t think that Canon camera would be able to compete with the RX100 MKII. Canon won’t price it cheap, that’s for sure and the RX100 MKII’s and MKI’s price keep dropping. I don’t see a lot of reason to go with that Canon and pay more for it just for a few milimeters less.
The RX100 III doesn’t seem totally pocketable either, anyway. It’s gradually crept up in the Z dimension, to the point where it’s now 41mm thick. Unless you wear baggy pants on the time, that’s not a particularly comfortable pants-pocket camera.
Best be looking at something like a Panasonic LF1 or Canon S120 if that’s your real priority. Or, probably one of the best options, a Nokia Lumia 1020.
Maybe 41mm thick, but its shape make it pocketable, I’ve tried it… and without wearing baggy pants! 😉
And it performs far better than a LF1 or an S120…
It fits in your pocket because your crack is showing! 😉
Sony RX100 III is indeed small, but there are some complaints about the grip.
I agree, but it’s not a main issue to me.
I don’t think it’s a main issue to me too. I will actually decide between LX100 and RX100 III.
You toss too much…
You can always wait to see what Canon’s 1″ sensor compact looks like on Monday. I suspect it will be more true to the original RX100 and the S series.
This camera sounds more and more amazing!! Can’t wait to see it. . . .
Wasn’t so long ago that this site was exclaiming that it was much better than the RX100 III because it went to 90mm… now that it doesn’t nobody seems to care… an interesting turn of events.
You pitiful being, of course nobody cares that much anymore! Isn’t that EFF obvious? I mean, what is 15mm (90-75=15) of focal length compared with all the others upsides this camera is bringing? Bigger sensor, GH4-like 4K, etc. The LX8’s extra 20mm (90-70=20) of reach over the RX100 was more important because they shared the same 1″ sensor, it’s pretty logical that within similar spec’d cameras, having more reach is more of a positive than now that the specs changed.
C’mon, if you are going to nitpick, at least don’t do with something so obvious, it’s just sad. If you prefer the RX100 stick with it, there is no reason to be bothered by others wanting others things but it’s the Internet, people are like that.
I was initially thinking about the G1X MKII, then the RX100 MKIII brought so much, EVF and most of all, better aperture through out the range, plus ND filter and new video stuff, it looked like that was it. Until LX8 rumors started to surface and now, the LX100. Pick whatever you want, but now I’m much more inclined to the LX100, but who cares?
Frankly, I think it’s pretty disappointing. I would much rather have the longer reach in a pocket camera.
However, given that it has a sensor that’s nearly 2x larger than the RX100 III with a faster aperture to boot, something’s gotta give. That’s really impressive, any way you slice it.
I agree with you but I like the having the lens on the wide end more than the long.
I care! 90 was just fine with me, like my Oly 45 1.8 that I am happy with. Just long enough for portraits in my opinion. Dropping down to 75 may not seem like much, but its shorter than even most m4/3 kit lenses, and my 14-42 already doesn’t have much reach.
Come on 90mm! I’m still hoping… Canon had a great 24-120 range on their G1X. Even if it’s slower, give us the reach.
The original 90mm rumor assumed it was a 1″ sensor. I would much rather have 75mm equivalent on 43 sensor than 90mm equivalent on 1″ sensor.
That’s because with a 4/3s sensor, you can crop it to an RX100 equivalent 1″ sensor size, and go even higher than 90mm.
That would only be true if you had more MP than the 1″ Sony as a result of your larger sensor. But you don’t. You’ve only got 16MP, instead of 20MP. They may be better pixels, but upscaling is still upscaling, and it’s never pretty.
And what you say would only be true if 20mp and 16mp was fully utilized by the lens! I have the RX100 and had the LX7 the resultion of resulting raw files had very similar actual resolution. In some cases (wide open) LX7 was sharper. It’s possible to be cropped and better resolution as long as the lens is that much better.
Very fair point.
Yeah good luck with that. If you think making it a cropped 4/3’s sensor gives you more ability to crop you are rather confused.
It’s about time someone made a fixed lens m43 body with these kind of specifications.
Looks like my LX-7 will be sold around the first of the year . . .
I sure hope the lens is up to the task.
sold my LX7 3 months ago anticipating the LX8….hurry up Panny!
I still have a few questions in the mix rumors of LX8 and LX100. Ok, there will be no LX8, but will the LX100 feat a ND filter like it was rumored before? I’m ok with the time limit for 4K shooting but what about the options, will it be limited like the FZ1000 or will it have the same feats as the GH4? By the end of the year means Decemeber or earlier? And I wonder about the price.
*Admin should post the 10.9-34mm specs of the lens, this way it’s easier to understand that it’s not really a multi-aspect 4/3 sensor but a 4/3 sensor with a bit of crop – the same as the GH4 uses for 4K – so it acts as a multi-aspect sensor. If not, it gets a bit confusing.
I guess you’re going to have to wait until the announcement eh?
Or for the next rumor update. 🙂
I wonder how the lens will be branded. It will affect the price more than the image quality.
Hopefully it’s a Leica like all of panasonic’s non ILC cameras.
At 400g it weighs as much as my GX-7 body alone. Tacking on the 12-35/2.8 adds another 300+ grams. I sure hope the lens is decent!
I hope it will be a modern practical design like the LX7 not something retro look.
Sounds great and I might get one later but it really isn’t a 24-75mm f/1.7-2.8 lens but a 10.9-34mm f/1.7-2.8 one, quite a difference there. 24-75mm equivalent in 35mm terms but not with the same equivalent max aperture.
Why does some know-it-all ALWAYS have to bring this up? This statement is not completely true.
Because saying it has a 24-75mm f/1.7-2.8 lens is just false.
I was referring to the aperture. In some ways it can be actually superior to FF. If I’m shooting at f/4 and 1/250 sec. on FF, I will shoot at the SAME/equivalent shutter speed and aperture on the LX100. As a landscape shooter, I’d actually prefer the LX100 shot, as DOF would be deeper.
There is no such a thing as equivalent aperture, aperture measures the amount of light and this is indeed a f/1.7-f/2.8 aperture, it’s not equivalent. You may be trying to talk about equivalency in focal length and comparing DOF but that’s a whole different thing, it’s not aperture equivalency.
It’s about the light gathering ability. This lens (if the rumored data is correct) has the light gathering ability of a 10.9-34mm f/1.7-2.8 lens or a 24-75mm f/3.4-5.6 lens, that’s physics. The measured shutter speed won’t reflect that because an ISO value is always following the sensor size, it’s relative not constant, that’s why theoretically (without looking at differences in sensor advancements) ISO 100 on an m4/3 sensor is equivalent of ISO 400 on a full frame sensor. When I’m using the Olympus 45mm F1.8 on my GX7 I’m aware it’s like a 90mm F3.6 lens on a full frame camera and I’m perfectly fine with it because it allows me to have a really compact and high quality set for portraiture on me any time.
Exactly right. If you’re going to convert the focal length to 24-75, then it’s simple algebra that you have to convert the aperture as well. The article should have just written that it has a 10.9-34 f/1.7-2.8 lens and we’d all be happy.
Its very convenient to compared a stop down FF lens to a m43 lens at its max opening and to say that a couple ISO stops makes it up.
I never hear the same comparison, where the m43 is stop down a lot, pushing the FF lens past its optimal zone, if not in diffraction territory.
This hardly is physics as much as its technology dependent comparison, based on the assumption that FF will always have two ISO stop advantage over m43. What may have been true in 2009 isn’t obvious anymore. It also implies that you have to compare year to year, premium to premium gear head to head. Hardly any laws of physics in there. Slap the m.zuiko 75 on a GH4 and compare it with a back then excellent Alpha 900 with its best Zeiss. Oh wait, the a900 doesn’t go past ISO 10k…
Once and for all, if we are going to talk laws of physics, f2.8 is f2.8 and 100mm is 100mm. Those are independent of crop and usable ISO.
That’s the reason I wrote “theoretically (without looking at differences in sensor advancements)”. And comparing the GH4’s up-to-date sensor with the A900’s at least 6 year old one is anything but fair.
The laws of physics are there because you can’t just make a lens half the size using optical elements without sacrificing from the amount of light that hits the sensor. (Exception is by having compromises, for example the Panasonic 14-42 PZ which has enormous distortion post corrected in software.)
If you call that a theory, you are begging the question.
Difraction is linked to pixel density, so it is actually worse / it comes sooner with a small crippled sensor like yours. Surprised?
Equivalency for sensor sizes also doesn’t make so much sense because it only works for sensors with exact same specs like the size of the pixel, the technology, etc. And as we know, techs vary a lot from sensor to sensor, manufacturer to manufacturer, etc.
And again, you are talking about DOF, the DOF of a 45mm f/1.8 in a Micro4/3 is equivalent of a 90mm f/3.6 in a FF, it’s not aperture equivalency. But I got what you meant.
It’s about the light flux: light vector by surface vector. Exposure is only one part of equivalence, horses for courses mate.
Oh, no. How many rounds do we need on this? Seriously. Time to move on, folks. Just judge the results with your own eyes, not specs.
I hope the new LX100 looks just like that beautiful old LC1, with the aperture ring, a twist AND optional power zoom, and no logo on the front. 🙂
That’s what gaffers tape is for, or if you’re really serious, some black paint 😛
I use electrical tape. 😉
Electrical tape leaves a sticky, gluey residue and has a tendency to slip over time. That’s why traditionally gaffer’s tape is used — it’s low tack.
For what its worth, I’d rather a contextual ring that adapts to PASM, even if the ring would rotate fully without any lock position. in S, the ring would control shutter speed, etc. To lock it into position, they could make it push/pull ( yeah, I know.. patent issues with Olympus…)
Also, if the lens is going to be big enough, a AF/MF switch such as that on the PL15 would be cool. Very cool.
Yes – no logo on front may not happen, but at least they should get rid of the L logo- its so redundant.
oh man if it looks like that and with those specs…Panasonic don’t make me wait!
This will be the digital street photographers dream come true! I would use this as a back-up for my 6D if the price is ok…but my guess is it will cost around 1200-1300 euros…a price I’m not going to pay even it has great specs.
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Try the G1X mark ii, it’s great.
No, poor sensor and bad AF and too heavy.
You say that…. You have no clue, have you?
The G1X sensor sucks big time. Poor dynamic range (typical of Canon) and high ISO not all the good compared to m43.
And you say that because…? Mom gave no love?
I’m thinking he was looking at DR charts that show the G1X sensor having even poorer DR than the 1″ sensors in the RX100 and even Nikon’s 1 series.
All the online reviews show the G1X MK2 as having average to decent AF speed. Much better than the MK1, but still not what you would call fast nor accurate. It also fails at locking AF sometimes. Also, it is indeed heavy at 1.2lbs.
So, you did not try yourself but you rely on some bloke online. This is the hallmark of gorilla thinking. By the way, the online reviews I read were good.
24-75 lens? Those are odd specs for an M43 lens. That’d be like a 50-150 in FF. I would of preferred something a bit wider and shorter instead, like a 17-60 or something.
Lots of people confusing this lately, but 24-75 would be the equivalent.
24-75mm would be identical, if this camera would have a 24-75mm focal length. But more likely it has 12-37.5mm that gives by sensor size a equivalent angle of view than 24-75mm has on small format.
The lens is actually 10.9-34mm (according to all the different rumor sites). It is a 2.2x crop and not a 2x crop due to the multi aspect ratio ratio sensor.
And the aperture?
Lots of people are just not very smart, that’s all.
How dense do you have to be to actually think they would make a mainstream camera with a 50-150mm equiv. fixed lens?
Hey Admin, does the LX100 have 180-degree flip screen? Built-in flash? Thanks.
Thanks for being so smart sweetie, we all love a know it all.
Built in flash ? – I would be really surprised if it didn’t as that would go against virtually every camera Panasonic has ever made.
180 degree flip screen ? – I hope not ! – this is just a fad for the ‘selfie’ – hopefully will soon fall out of fashion…
The 180 degree “selfie” flip screen is the number one requested feature for new cameras. You can forgo it to make the camera more “professional”, but you’ll risk losing a big proportion of potential customers that are unwilling to buy a new camera without a flip screen.
it’s a 10.9-34mm lens, it has 2.2x crop to make the GH4’s sensor a multi-aspect in this camera.
“would of”?
It sound like Panasonic has been paying attention. And glad to see that it is much lighter than the G1X.
I have a feeling that by ‘design is very close’ they actually mean ‘vaguely similar to rangefinder camera’. So, it’s gonna be somewhat rectangular, without or with minimal grip, and a EVF in the corner. Sounds boring.
Boring? What you described actually sounds very exciting!
I think panny is trying to get that fuji mojo going on. Not sure if it’s working.
Panasonic already had that “Fuji mojo” before Fuji discovered it. Fuji just picked up the ball that Panasonic dropped.
I apologize if I missed it, but any word about stabilization?
Excellent stabilization, although I do not recall if it is IBIS or OIS.
Is it just me who feels that this camera makes more sense than the E-PL7? True, no interchangeable lenses but its lens will cover majority of shooting situations and with these specs most people (even so-called general public) don’t have to be concerned with buying additional glass.
My thoughts exactly. This could be a nice, have with you always, camera.
Just please don’t mess this up by not having auto iso. Thanks! =)
Personally, I find it much more important on an ILC, since my main use case for Auto ISO in M is with manual lenses where the camera can’t set / understand the aperture.
But I agree, it’s a feature that any camera with any manual control should have. It’s clearly very valuable to any photographer who wants to control their photos.
The whole point to using mechanical, manual lenses with a real aperture ring, not a fancy electronic switch that looks like one, is that YOU control the aperture… and everything else. Shutter speed, ISO, focus… the works.
That said, there’s no reason why Auto ISO shouldn’t be an option in M mode.
Obviously. I quite enjoy having full mechanical control of the aperture. And the shutter speed as well, since both of those are integral to how the photograph appears.
ISO on the other hand, has no effect on the visual signature of a photograph. I just want it to be as low as possible while satisfying a correct exposure with the aperture and shutter speed values that I’ve specified. There’s no reason at all why a camera shouldn’t control this, 99% of the time, even in M mode. And probably 100% of the time if there’s an option to set exposure compensation with M mode and Auto ISO.
I have two Pany LC1s and its twin, the Leica Digilux 2. These are classics and I will never sell them. Even at only 5 mp, the cameras have the same extraordinary Leica Summilux lens, and take absolutely unique and wonderful photos.
I know we all have our old favourite cameras but sadly when looked at in the cold light of day the image quality of them is very poor compared to much cheaper , smaller lighter gear of tody. This is a 100% crop of an LC1 shot taken in good light at 400ISO no shadows pushing nothing. There was noise in the skies and shadows from base ISO onwards , it has poor DR and so on .
It was huge , RAW buffer was a slow as treacle and it cost around $1500 when new
You’re kidding me right? The LC1 was a terrible camera and is easily comparable to the Olympus E-330, which was another terrible camera. Not only crappy image quality from the Live MOS sensor, but you also get the super dark Porro prism.
If you wanna collect antiques that take somewhat good pictures, you have to take a further step back to the Kodak CCD sensor.
The LC1 and Digilux 2 were fixed-lens cameras. The E-330, L1 and Digilux 3 were DSLRs.
Eddie – You are an idiot. And, no, I am not kidding. And I also have the OIympus E-330. You know crap about these cameras, you MORON. Oh, and I also have the E-500 with the Kodak sensor. So, I do know more than you about these cameras. You don’t have any of them, you cheapskate. Troll.
You own a lot of old cameras.
I still have my Leica Digilux 2 and it’s still the best example of a compact camera done right: you can set focus, aperture and shutter without even turning on the camera.
It had physical dials, especially focusing and tabbed focal length rings, which make a huge difference in the pleasure of using a camera. It had a base ISO of 100, which very, very few even high end cameras have today, which gave very good photos in good light. And B&W at ISO 400 is reminiscent of using Kodak T-Max 400.
If it had Auto ISO and a ceiling of around 3,200 ISO, it would have been a near perfect camera.
Although I never used the LC1, I recently got the L1 on the used market for almost nothing. Sure, its outdated today, but it is a joy to use and I love the design. Its really interesting how bold Panasonic was when going into the serious Digicam/DSLR from a electronics maker making a compact camera. I wrote an little entry here: http://www.kentique.com/design-value-of-an-outdated-device-the-l1
I had an LC1 – it was a wonderful if somewhat impractical camera – with a fantastic lens.
If the LX100 has the same magical combination in a practical offering then it will be a big winner !
I see that all the usual suspects are “enlightening” us with their vast knowledge and wisdom. When all these clowns and morons go home to their circuses and lunatic asylums, who’s left? A few real photographers like myself.
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Killer to have to wait till the end of the year to get one 🙁
It’s going to be about the size of the Oly EPM2. I hope it is a game changer.
I just found out while I was cleaning some stuff that the LX100 is supposed to be about the same size as my Olympus TRIP 35 – but most likely, much lighter. Even though the LX100 has a 10.9-34mm f/1.7-2.8 and the TRIP 35 has a 40mm f/2.8, I think the lens to body size should also be about the same. Sure, it’s not the same size as the RX100 but it works just fine for me.
I’m not sure I follow what all the attention is for. Fuji has had a near monopoly with the X100 for a couple of years now (If you ignore the RX100), and now we’re going to see Pany and Oly put up a competitor each. Expect to see both of them undercut the X100T on price…..and hopefully not cannibalise their existing ILC M43 line-up…….
Not terribly exciting or contentious. 😛
I’m not a fan of Panasonic cameras at all …. Bloody ugly toys but that lens looks stunning !!!!
If it has the Pany touch screen- formidable technology I have one in a G3 – plus the other goodness and mic input it will be a game changing camera.
“Only” 400 grams? The Panasonic GM1 micro 4/3 camera is only 279 grams with battery and kits lens. I love the specs on this new compact, but the price and weight will probably keep me away.
Seriously? How can any camera that weighs less than half a kilogram be considered heavy? Do you suffer from some kind of muscle atrophy?
So, 61mm thick, probably without lens cap…
Almost RX1 sized.
Definitly not pocketable.