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One can dream that it’s a sequel to the AF100, but it’ll probably be an updated GX7.
A GH4 in an AF100 body would be dreamy!
G7
This is actually my top wish though, a G7! A cheaper 4K shooting brother of the GH4.
Or even just an upgraded G6 with features such as 120fps HD!
But I doubt it… wasn’t there talk about them ending the G line? :-/
Hopefully, they’ve reduced the size of the GX7 successor.
The GX7 is borderline too small.
There are already plenty of smaller M4/3 cameras to choose from.
I’d make the GX7’s grip bigger and the EVF 3:2 aspect ratio at the very least!
The grip is fine, any bigger and it will turn into a GH camera, a better solution is to improve the rear thumb rest area (like the E-P5 or OMD), that way the camera stays the same size. I do agree on the EVF comment tough, they should change the aspect ratio, 16:9 was a weird decision.
This is what I’d do…
Make the grip beefier and taller.
And yes, add a substantial rear thumb rest.
Shift the shutter button on top of the grip, like the A6000.
Add a Focus/Drive Mode dial, like the GH2, to the spot where the shutter button was.
This how I’d tweak it…
Slightly bigger, taller grip (up to the top plate) with shutter shifted forward on top of it, like the Sony A6000.
Add a combo Focus/Drive mode dial like the GH2, where the shutter was.
Add a rear thumb grip/rest like the EM1/5, but curvy and sexy. Too many sharp edges on the EMxs
Make that damn video button an extra Fn button!
GX8 + weather resistance
4-6 weeks or 4-6 months?
right? headline says weeks! (probably to grab attention) then article says months. probably months…
Announced within weeks, released within months.
Article has been correct to weeks, not months. Thus I assume weeks is correct.
GH5? LOL just kidding, I bet they will release GX8 with 4K and other nice improvements.
That long!?
GX8 (or G7) with 4k and even better sensor and better EVF.
Don’t expect better sensor and EVF than GH4, they will not cannibalize it yet. The same sensor and EVF is possible though.
He said better evf than GX7 and… He was right in the GX7 most important weakness
It was not clear :). But I assume it will have the same EVF as GH4, FZ1000 also has it and it is great.
GX8s with a 12Mp low light monster! 🙂
+1 for GX8. One with world-leading EVF, IBIS and mic socket would be my dream camera for filming and photo. Happy with the rest. Seems a little too early for GX7 replacement though?
GX8!
… With improved ergonomics and weather sealing!
This image is years old and outdated. Please change it.
Yeah, I had to laugh. A GH2, G3 and GF3. That’s pretty far from current cameras. About 4 years off, in fact!
If it were Olympus, the company that never discontinues cameras, it might be a bit more accurate. 😉
One more overpriced toy! Fauxtographers keep your brick wall at the ready, nerds polish your sandals with white socks! Many tests are awaiting you, but let’s be serious this time: let’s all wait for the “real pro” tests online, which are massive bombs of credibility, before you even start to think with your own brains. Did I say brains in a m43 forum?
Photography is my hobby, not my profession (and it is also not yours otherwise you wouldn’t be so clueless). So I want a nice small and light camera system which I can take with me when I go out on holiday’s, on a trip to the zoo and family/friend meetings. M4/3 fits the bill perfectly for me. And now what?
You just gave a troll his daily bread. Read the comments on previous 43rumors post and leave them in their sadness. 😉
haw haw haw Geeko want camera to go to the zoo.
haw haw haw bad man broke Geeko toy
Do you geeks here really have a life? Only the trolls seem to have some wits about them.
Geeks have no life. They live on forums and are virgins.
Shut up. Your mom shoots jpg.
And now what? Are you looking for trouble? Shall I break you and your plastic toy?
43rumors…. the troll-land…. 🙁
A fool and their money are soon parted. Guess who the fool is.
WTH is with all the people asking for a GX8 !? The GX7 is not even a year old yet and you people want a whole new model just for a few improvements ? Did your cameras just suddenly stop working or did they suddenly loose the much sought after features they were released with? Are the features of the less-than-a-year-old GX7 suddenly obsolete ? you people are the worst case of GAS afflicted gearheads ever.
Why not wait until next year so there’s a better chance of ACTUAL improvements like new sensor tech and processor !? What’s the point of having a new GX model if it won’t have organic sensor or new 4+ core procesor ? Do you NEED a new GX camera now ? If you NEED better evf, 4k and mic input then you’re better suited to a GH4, asking for those features in a GX camera now is just pointless because the GX is not meant as the flagship video model anyway and also because it’s not worth upgrading right now, specially when those features would be inevitable in a properly upgraded GX8 a year from now.
Why do people always ask for the most ridiculous and irrational things here ? If Panasonic is stupid enough to hear you and releases a GX8 now that means it won’t be until 2016 (if we’re lucky) that we see a proper GX model that can compete with current competitors. It would be a waste of resources and it would devalue their lineup even further, if anything they need to protect the current GX7 from further price drops, accesability to the system is a good thing but Pany price drops are ridiculous (but convenient for us *wink).
You are right .
I’m with you .
We don’t need a GX refinement as replacement . We need a true revolutionary GX as successor .
If I’d plan to buy a camera like the GX7 I would be glad if there is an even better version available.
So maybe those are different people that want new features and those who own a GX7
This is rumors site… it’s kind of par for the course for us all to speculate and dream about the future , wouldn’t you say? That’s the fun of it, that’s why we come here.
Yes, we love gear. Doesn’t mean we are not using it in the meantime, I earn my living filming weddings and the GX7 is an awesome B Cam. I notice a lot of things while working with it that if tweaked would make a successor even better.
Absolutely but there are to key terms in your response: ¨Future¨ & ¨tweaked¨
It’s fine to speculate about a potentially new GX model, I’m not denying the right to do so, I’m criticizing those who demand a FUTURE model NOW. There’s no need to have a slightly tweaked model right now, specially if such a release would push a more deserved upgrade one or two years down the line, why not just wait 1 year for more relevant progress instead of having a mediocre update right now ? Tweaks can be easily achieved by FW updates, there’s no need for a whole new camera just for the sake of auto iso or whatnot.
Demand? The admin asked an open question and commenters are simply answering him. Besides, a lot of technology is updated on a yearly basis such as tablets, phones and even cars. No one seems to be complaining there. Also consider that those wanting a new model may have current cameras that are either several years old or completely non-existent. They could be p&s upgraders for all we know. Not all of them have to be annual upgraders like you imply.
The GX7 will be over a year old when the new camera is announced.
A whole year. How shocking. How will you cope.
I used the same camera for 17 years AND the same film in it.
Personally I would be happy if they released new cameras every five years or so. The new cameras would then be a proper, major upgrade where everything would be improved.
Seeing as I’m relatively happy with the current sensor tech there is no way I’m upgrading again unless there are several major benefits to be gained and that will be several generations down the line at the current release rate.
PS I don’t regard added features like focus peaking as a major benefit.
Pany and Oly should only renew models as often as the competition, no more no less. Increasing the rate of renewal will over-saturate the market with needless models and waiting 5 years for a new model with leave the door open for Sony, Fuji or anyone else to always be a step ahead of m43. Film emulsions stayed relatively the same over decades, that is not the case with sensors. If you don’t need to buy a camera every year then don’t do it, that’s fine, but not everyone is synchronized to each other’s upgrade cycle so having steady 2 or so year cycle lets people upgrade at their own rythm. Just as well, asking for 6 month cycles is just absurd.
What’s shocking? And, how will I cope with what? What the hell are you talking about?
I replied to someone that said the GX7 isn’t even a year old. I’m pointing out that it will be in a week. That’s it. I don’t have a GX7. And, I don’t plan on buying a GX8. I have no stake. I don’t care. And, Nobody cares how old your camera is. So, move along now.
“these people” want to read rumours about cameras – they have no interest in buying them 🙂
Can’t be a GX , I guess but based on the discontinue rumor , this might be it .
Damn , GX become 12 months cycle model , no way I’ll buy a 12 months cycle camera .
May be that technology is improving at such a rate as to justify new cameras even if one internut won’t consider it? If one can’t keep pace with all the new tech – there is always Nikon & Canon who almost never offer anything new.
Not sure . . . A friend bought a Nikon D600 and within a year Nikon announced the D610.
It’s not new tech, it’s newly repackaged old tech. Canon and Nikon customers are generally better prepared, so they don’t expect fake novelties every month. M43, on the contrary, has been based on conning people since say one.
I rather Pana follow Fuji’s method on X Pro . How many firmwares already for this little Gem .
No breakthough No replacement ,
Pana need to learn from Fuji .
I don’t get these types of comments. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade and the 12 month old version will still work just fine. I welcome incremental upgrades. What is this crazy need to have the latest and greatest all of the time? Hell, my GF1 still takes amazing pics.
Guess what,
you can sill use a camera even if there is a newer version available 🙂
This is waste of R&D .
Why not wait for real breakthough for this high end RF camera .
Refinement just no good enough .
highly trusted source: 4-6 month
highly trusted 43rumors: 4-6 weeks
Read again.
Announced within weeks, released within months. Sounds legitimate.
“Announced within weeks, released within (4-6 month) months. Sounds legitimate.” No, that sounds crazy to me
No. Admin has the bad habit of writing and doesn’t read what he writes. We have seen A LOT of mistakes on headlines and contents recently. It’s like being trolled twice, above and at the bottom, as we all know the current situation. See for example the picture on the text. It says current mFT lineup. Less than two months from and the only real rumor is the LX8, a non-mFT camera that would be announced on July 16.
Less than two months from Photokina and no consistent rumors?? Oh how I miss the old times….
Yeah it’s all a bit rubbish now. Admin clearly doesn’t cultivate sources but waits for marketing departments to start their leak campaigns. Photokina every two years and it’s like a ghost town…
I’m sure you could do better. Come on, build your own site. We’ll come just to troll you, moron.
I’m sure I couldn’t do better! Andrea is a busy man, I was just expressing my frustration, it was obvious he was away a lot. And for your information I have followed this site since I bought an ep-2 when it was launched. I love this site (spelling and all). I took a break from m43 as I didn’t get on with the omd and use nikon for serious stuff. Got the gm1 which is easily the most fun camera I have ever used. I’m no troll!
Snorfles. Please click on the “rumor” category button to read specs and info from the last 2 months. You will be surprised.
Nice to have you back!
As usual Severino you should just learn to read rumors more frequently:
I posted lens specs (even price) of the new Olympus PRO lenses, than unveiled info about the new high end OMD, the new FT fixed lens from panasonic, new LX8. But probably you are having troibles reading my poor english 🙂
It would be a suicide in 2014. Competitors would overtake Pana in 4-6 mo.
G7 with 4k video, IBIS(for stills at least) and improved sensor.
(no weather sealing and clean 4K HDMI output can be expected)
YES! I want a G7
Let it go, bro. The G6 is inferior to GX7 and GH4, (both of which sport Cast Magnesium bodies). Oly makes plenty of cheap plastic bodes.
Price matters to some people! The GX7 and GH4 are each more expensive.
And the GX7 lacks the same flip out screen that the G6 has.
Panasonic has recently stated that they will cater to the high-end range. I believe them.
About the “flip out screen” . . . the GX7 has a tilt LCD which I find much more usable when video recording live concerts, (where the stage is 3 feet higher than the front floor – where I must hold the camera high overhead whilst looking nearly straight up toward the ceiling) whereas the swivel screen introduces another set of challenges such as angle of rotation.
No offense intended, partner. 😉
It won’t be a new G or GF, because those lines don’t fit into the new “going high-end” philosophy. It won’t be a new GX after only a year, and not a new GH for the same reason. That leaves a new GM or something completely different.
You say it can’t be a new GX after only a year, and then go on to say it could me a new GM, which is even newer than the GX7. Huh?
*be
Seems like all the crazy people are out today doesn’t it ? This announcement will either be a fixed lens camera or a new G model, every other line has been updated less than a year ago, if not a few months. Next thing people will start asking for 3 month production cycles.
If it is a new m4/3 camera, it surely can’t be a fixed lens camera? Unless they mean the fixed lens camera with a 4/3 sensor which has been rumored.
It does leave me a bit of hope that maybe there is still life in the G line… it must be carried on! Please Panasonic, don’t kill off the G line 🙁
So, what’s so crazy about my post? It certainly wasn’t more crazy than the notion of a fixed lens m4/3 camera. The lens mount is called m4/3, not the sensor size. If the rumor is about a m4/3 camera, then it’s implied that it’s an ILC.
Well, we would expect a new Canon Rebel every year, but not a successor to 70D until after a couple of years, right? Entry-level models are usually updated annually, while enthusiast models are updated every 2-3 years. The GX line is aimed at enthusiasts, but the GM is entry-level.
But of course Panasonic could release a new GX after only a year, if they had some new tech or feature that they wanted to get out on the market before anyone else. After all, the GH4 was released only a year after the GH3, because Panasonic wanted to be first with a consumer-priced 4K hybrid camera.
It’s obvious, it will be the new G. Between GX7, GF6 and G6, the last is the older. They must launch G7 with 4k, with news focus systems, etc… A “low GH4”, cheaper for high public. Panasonic release an GX every two years. It could be an GM2 with lcd tilt and built-in evf also, because of RX100 mk3, etc… but Panasonic will announce LX8 soon,
Just an observation, but when you give all your products names that begin with G, the G becomes entirely irrelevant, unless the G is the brand. I thought Lumix was the brand. Wait, that’s not right, Panasonic is the brand. Wouldn’t it help differentiate the products to name them Lumix G7, Lumix H4, Lumix X7, Lumix M1?
It’s the Lumix G line, if you haven’t noticed yet.
I suspect most advanced amateur photographers can’t tell you the difference among the alphabet soup of G models.
A brand was created a while ago… so your suggestion is to drop it? Clearly not gonna happen. http://goo.gl/RecEqR
I need global shutter, IBIS and AELock button working in video mode.
Relax, just send them your needs and requests via Contact Us on their website and they will do it for you. Don’t forget to mention everything. 😉
Thank you for you recommendation. I’ve followed your advice and now I can sleep well at night.
Ahhh…. global shutter, now you’re really dreaming! But what a nice dream it is 🙂 mmmm
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
What do they expect to accomplish with yet another toy camera? Please get real and get down to some serious testosterone-oozing FF business. Are you listening Panasonic? Are you heading for the future, or are you drowning in a Jurassic swamp?
Thanks for setting us all straight on this…
Now which FF camera shoots 4K internal at 100 Mbps with no time limit ?
He is just another pathetic troll. There is no logic on his comments. Letz not feed those idiots.
None! (except the Canon 1-D C, which is obscenely expensive and not worth it at all)
GH4 is alone with that 😀
In my dream of dreams it would be some kind of GH4 pro with a 4k optimized sensor (not cropped) and a6000-quality auto focus in video mode. And I know it won’t be anything like what I want.
this would be fantastic. I agree. bring back the multi-aspect sensor with the 1.86 crop factor like the GH2.
Id like a new GM-2: lighter, global shutter, and not outreageously overpriced. Thankyou Panasonic!
What is it with people wanting cameras renewed less than a year from release !? If a new GM camera was released it would hardly be cheaper than the already discounted GM1 I assure you.
Dreaming: weather-sealed GX8 with oversized 12mpix sensor, global shutter, working (!) IBIS stolen from OM-D and 10 fps with focus tracking.
I suspect this could be a new line camera in RF style , above the GX known as GL that equal to X Pro standard .
Come on Admin , end this guessing game . You should already know what is it .
I am 70% sure about what it is. Just waiting for more confirmation from other sources!
Please let us know now 🙂
Hey admin, now that we know you actually read the comments how about you do something about the trolls issue ? read some of the comments in previous articles, many here want an answer from you.
Yes. I will flag them from now on.
He started earlier this morning 🙂
The GX line IS the top of the line flagship STILL camera, it already blows the X Pro out of the water in AF, IBIS and many other features, The GX7 is already comparable to the XE2 which is by all means an improvement over the X Pro minus the OVF. Just why would you need YET ANOTHER entire camera line !? Just wait for Panasonic to implement organic sensor tech next year, hopefully they improve THE FEW missing features in the GX7 (namely better IBIS, weather sealing and better – not bigger- EVF). Thank god these companies don’t base their whole product strategy on forum comments or else they would loose their minds…Creating a new line above the GX instead of improving it would make the GX line pointless, there’s no need to turn the GX line into an intermediate line between the GM and a supposedly better GL line…Just wait a year for a properly upgraded GX. This is the same nonsense as people wanting to kill the whole PEN line.
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GX8 ?
Maybe 4-6 years…?
lol. sorry. Corrected.
New camera in GX7 size and type of design, but weatherproof and as many GH4 features as possible. If possible then sensor image stabilization also for video.
Important with better EVF. And EVF can be fixed, it doesn’t need to be articulated, it would be a nice feature, though.
Oh, you want it fixed? Let me take note.
Why would you take away a feature that has no incidence whatsoever on
the quality of the EVF !? if you want it fixed just don’t move it,
period. Having a fixed EVF won’t make a difference to the size of the
camera or the weatherproofing.
What I meant is, that the image quality of the current EVF seems to be almost unacceptable according to several reviews, and priority one is to remedy this, for example using a praised EVF like on GH4 or FZ1000. I wonder if the reason why they didn’t do it in the first place is, that such an EVF would be too big to allow for an articulated EVF in such a compact body as GX7, and in that case, I think a fixed EVF with high image quality would be preferable to an articulated EVF with more or less acceptable image quality. However, if we can get all: (1) EVF with good image quality and (2) Articulated EVF, that would be superb 🙂
A) The GX7 EVF quality IS NOT unacceptable. Don’t know where you got that but most reviews out there did not penalize the GX7 because of the EVF. The GX7 EVF was favorably compared against its contemporaries and was better than most EVFs before it in the DMC line, subsequent models had better EVF because, well, they were newer, no surprise there.
B) The articulation has no incidence on the size or quality of the EVF since the articulation does not interfere with the volume or design of the camera, it is out of the way, hidden. It also has nothing to do with the quality of the LCD screen nor with the glass inside the EVF. The articulation is only a small hinge withing the body, period. The only thing affected by a larger EVF is the size of the screen, if you want bigger evf you’ll have a smaller screen, the articulation has nothing to do with it.
Ad. A) Well, my sources are among others DPReview that in their conclusion write:: Pro: “Large and sharp tilting electronic viewfinder”. Cons: “Strong ‘rainbow’ tearing effect in EVF” and “EVF is hard to see outdoors, adds bulk to camera”. Overall conclusion: “The specification of the viewfinder looks good, with its 1280×720 resolution and magnification of 0.70x (equivalent), though the reality is that it has a strong ‘rainbow effect’ due to its use of field-sequential technology, and the small eyecup that lets in lots of outside light.”. I’ve interpreted this together with other sources as ALMOST unacceptable, but I admit, I could as well have used less harsh words like “with some weak points”, and I admit (att.: Bo Dregs), I have not had the opportunity to try it out for myself, as I have not seen it in a store here in Copenhagen. Anyway for example the EVF of Olympus E-M5 has not been criticized as much as the EVF of GX7.
Ad. B) If possible then I would prefer the EVF with high quality image and also articulation. Thinking of for example the EVF in tiny Sony RX100 III, I also assume it should be possible. I’m not an engineer, but even if the hinge is small, I guess, it might be difficult to have an EVF articulating if the size of the EVF is too big, for example half the height of the camera. But as mentioned, I guess you are right, it should be possible to have both.
Ridiculous !!! Try USING a GX7 instead of believing every nattering ninny on the internet.
With Pana’s success in 1. 4k and 2. DFD autofocus , it seems reasonable for them to popularise such advantage into the GM and GX line. And while GX7 isn’t even a year old, the street price is suggesting its less-than-satisfactory sales, even though it’s a pretty little gem (I owned one). I won’t be surprised to see a GX8
But please, make the articulated screen a must-have feature for all 4k cam. It just make shooting at particular angle so much easier
Tiny, rangefinder style camera with:
* near GM1 size
* integrated left side EVF
* weather sealing
* 4K
* small but solid buttons and dials with lots of direct manual control
* global shutter
* PDAF and better motion tracking AF and GH4 style low light focus
* optional grip to balance larger lenses
* manual focus hyper focal distance scale
* even better low light performance
* more dynamic range
* “organic sensor” (unlikely)
Sounds good but this is the GX8?
Or the GM2 😉 Maybe it is a GMX? 😉
One can dream, Douglas. One can dream.
I’m holding out hope that Panny or Oly do a tiny camera like this before the end of the year. There seems to be demand…
The GM1 is not even a year old, there’s no space nor justification for a new intermediate line between GM and GX right now, specially when they could clearly just improve the current GM when new tech arrives a year from now.
No need for a new line. Just a new model. Tiny seems to be the GM series, so a GM2 with the above features makes sense. They should continue selling the GM1 for anyone who does not want/need weather sealing, tilt screen, EVF, etc. Some people are happy without all of those things. The new camera would cost more and provide plenty of differentiation in the product line.
Why would panasonic released a whole new camera line between the GM and GX ? why would they do such a thing before they’re even close to having organic sensors ? Get real, sure, I would like a GM sized camera with EM1 controls and a medium format sensor that can poop gold and cost $100…Why can’t you wait just one year for them to have technology worth upgrading to and buy the next GM(2) camera ?
Simply cannot understand this PDAF hype. Panasonic already showed that the DFD technology is more than viable and actually blows any on-sensor PDAF solution.
I’m using PDAF as a placeholder for “fast focus tracking” and have not yet experienced DFD, but you’re right: the request should be for DFD, which they already have, if it is indeed superior. Is it? I thought that DSLRs still out perform mirrorless due to PDAF, but DFD closed the gap significantly. Do PDAF and DFD carry any resolution or light gathering penalties? Tracking speed is important to me, but on M43, I would not sacrifice low light performance to get it.
m43’s ¨slow¨ focus tracking myth (along with DOF, low light high ISO and a long etc) has been kept alive by ignorant bloggers through the years out of custom and cyclical feedback from other bloggers more than anything. It’s mostly word of mouth from reviewers that had a bad impression of m43 from 3 or 4 years ago who never picked up a m43 camera since. Watch more recent reviews like TCS’s video on the matter and you’ll realize m43 is already quite competent. Is it top of the line DSLR fast ? no, but you already had to go to the extreme of comparing it to a flag ship FF DSLR to make it look slow, and that says quite a lot; In other words, it’s more than fast enough but not the absolute fastest.
It would be very convenient if Panasonic would develop a “slow” – gradual continuous AF (for video), and a more accurate “fast” continuous AF for still photography. I have the GH4 and find it’s fast single DFD-AF to be more than adequate.
(I’m not a “Pro” photographer)
Yeah! And it will work on about half our lenses as silly/greedy Panasonic alrady said that they will neither include Olympus lens profiles in the firmware of DFD cameras nor give Olympus the necessary information so that they could update their lenses.
what do PDAF and DFD stand for?
I’ve been a photog for 40 years and using digital since 2001 and I missed those
Thanks in advance
(On-sensor) PDAF is a technology where some similar functionality of classical DSLR phase detection AF can be achieved by sacrifying some imaging pixels from the sensor;
DFD is a technology where the exact lens bokeh characteristics can be used to guess the direction and the magnitude of the movement of the lens tag for quick focusing.
A couple of troll posts deleted. The admin has taken control?!
YAY ! FINALLY! it was about time.
I know 🙂
Yes I am back. I am writing a personal post right now and will publish it within the next 6-10 hours.
I was terribly busy the last 3 months. Now I am 100% back and ready for rumors and trolls war 🙂
I might even start commenting again if I see the trolls gone!
lol 🙂
Welcome Back! I wondered where you went.
Admin FTW….. Finally he listened to all requests!
🙂
Great! Does that mean that MrALLCAPS is banned or his posts deleted?
Wow, so because I don’t roll with the crowds love of a particular brand, I should be banned?
Lol! People take their bias for their favorite brand to the extremes. Your camera can still take pictures, doesn’t it?
If you would just voice a different opinion, nobody would complain about you and nobody would think that you are a troll.
But you are just posting to show yourself and to provoke other people. The one who takes bias to an extreme is YOU. I haven’t seen any post of you with rational arguments.
YOU are one of the prime reasons that Admin starts to apply moderation now.
MrALLCAPS isn’t the REAL troll . . . He is excited about whatever camera he is using (which now seems to be a Fuji). The actual troll talks about FullFrame all the time . . . can’t ever show a picture, is very quick to resort to nasty sophomoric expletives and doesn’t actually give a dip about cameras, and uses a 1000 different login IDs.
Fighting trolls is of utmost importance to keep this forum interesting, but it is not easy and requires constant attention. I wish you good luck and persistence in this. In fact, particularly in the recent past, trolling had greatly reduced the attractivity of this page.
Complaining about trolls is useless. Just flag them.
I hope for a GM2 with pop up EVF and tilt screen and 60fps HD movies and a fast flash synch speed, it also has a better grip and larger battery and …sounds like a GF7 actually
Since Panasonic doesn’t seem to do firmware updates that add even modest features, I guess a new model is the only way we’ll get Auto ISO in M mode on the GX7. That alone would probably make me choose it over the E-M10, even if there were zero other changes. It’s the biggest flaw on the GX7…
I would also accept a G7 that is closer to the size of the G5 than the G6, but has the GX7 sensor and IBIS.
If you’ve decided to shoot manually and have control over EVERYTHING why would you want auto iso ? Just shoot on P,A,S. If you want it in M mode for the sake of live-preview then why just not ask for live-preview in all modes, that’s more useful IMO. BTW, Pany does do important FW updates to their cameras, not as much as Fuji sure, but maybe it’s because their cameras are not as flawed from the beginning.
Auto ISO in manual is a great feature for street photography style shooting. Agree that Panasonic cameras seem to launch with fewer bugs and better overall performance in focus speed than Fuji, which is preferable, for sure, and probably why I still own Panasonic and Olympus cameras and have yet to buy a Fuji. But their small, rangefinder bodies and excellent lens lineup is making great progress. M43 needs a similarly sexy camera in that style. GX7 and EP5 are close.
GH4 has it, the GM1 has not, I own both. Another request would be to limit shutter speed…
LIMIT THE SHUTTER SPEED, yeah. At least somebody has figured the right solution. Really can’t understand why this idea wouldn’t became as standard across all serious systems…
Well, please show me a better way to have e.g. F1.8 and AT LEAST 1/200 sec. shutter speed.
Sure: just press the ISO button and turn the dial.
A better feature to ask for would be direct access to ISO by pressing the rear dial, that, or live preview on all modes (which btw do have auto ISO).
I would accept that as well, but it still doesn’t work as well as Auto ISO in changing conditions.
If the purists get uptight about calling it Manual, give us a new mode on the dial (TAv mode on Pentax, for example). I’m happy with that, too. I just want to be able to set the shutter speed while using legacy lenses and let the ISO compensate. And no, you can’t use Shutter Priority on lenses that don’t have aperture communication with the camera.
I’ll buy that.
Just move the stupid scene and “art” modes to the menus, where they belong, to open space on the mode dial for another Custom point.
t o t a l l y a g r e e !
Those icons are for people who can’t find them in menus. It would be like removing those modes altogether. Which would be fine by me.
It seems that you didn’t get the point. Auto ISO is needed exactly in the situations where you have no time to manually adjust the ISO and keep the exposure OK in the same time. E.g. street, sports.
Plus video with changing light.
If lighting is changing rapidly maybe you shouldn’t be shooting in manual then, you’re not less of a photographer for using P,A,S. I can understand the need for live-preview which is why I suggested a request for constant preview on all modes. I cannot imagine a situation where I would prefer to change iso instead of easily changing aperture or SS through one of the dials at the reach of a finger, if anything ISO is one characteristic I would want to keep constant (ISO noise). Aperture may be critical (hiperfocal) but SS has enough flexibility to be adjusted on the fly under street conditions, not much difference between 1/8000 and 1/250 in terms of street. I’m not against auto ISO btw, I’m all for it, I just don’t view it as a critical feature that warrants a whole new camera model instead of a simple FW update. I do agree that having such feature on other modes and not on manual is weird to say the least, but then again same goes for constant preview and the useless rear dial push in M.
You still don’t understand.
Primarily I want fixed (say, F1.8) aperture for my 45/1.8. But ‘A’ mode may set the shutter speed down to 1/60 which is far not enough for street photos or sport, I need AT LEAST 1/250. So ‘A’ mode is out of question.
S mode cannot guarantee me to keep the aperture on a fixed value, also out of question.
M mode w/o auto ISO is also out of question as cannot have auto exposure.
The optimal solution for me would be A mode plus shutter speed limitation (e.g. not less than 1/250), but M mode with auto ISO would be almost as good.
Just set the slow sync flash-setting to 1/250 and the shutter speed will not go below 1/250 in A-mode. Your welcome.
Please be a bit more specific. How can I set the slow sync shutter speed in A mode?
They should take a page from Fuji and push new features to support existing users. Even Olympus addressed the shutter shock issue with a firmware.
What happened to the LX8?
It’s coming. 1 month from now 🙂
Awesome!
And Olympus’ fixed lens Trip D? That could be the Panasonic LC1 revival that I so badly want!!! 🙂
All of these make for a tough choice of hypothetical cameras:
Panasonic LX8 vs Olympus Trip D vs Panasonic GM2 vs Fuji XPro2 vs Fuji X200
yet none of those cameras are comparable (expect maybe trip D and X200) Seems like you don’t know what you want, unless you want them all, in which case I give you my dearest condolences, may your wallet have a good rest in heaven.
I can see how you’d say that: some models are fixed focal lengths, some are not, some are ILC, some are not. And there are lots of different sensors sizes.
But they’re all (potentially) attractive to someone looking for a particular user experience:
* premium build
* small and lightweight
* innovative (or just HQ) viewfinders
* good manual controls
I’d add the rumored X30 into that list too.
Then it will be a question of which camera(s) deliver the best experience.
The rumour that I am most interested right now (of all rumours about all cameras) is whether the LX8 will have a 1″ sensor or if it will be just as disappointing as the Fuji X30 (2/3″ once again).
As far as I undertsood there will be two separate cameras! One with FT sensor (not named “lX”) and on “normal” LX7 successor.
Those are the ones I’m waiting for! The 4/3 sensor fixed lens compacts. 18mm f/2.0 lens, IBIS, full-flip screen, built-in flash… I’d prefer the Olympus, but the Panasonic would be ok too. I’ll buy 2!
I want a G6 replacement with the GH4 sensor and DFD.
Oh, and IBIS.
What’s the core advance you’re after? Miniaturization then? That’s always desirable, to me as well. But you prefer the mini DSLR style? Is there much size difference between the G6 and GH4? They seem close but I’ve not held both together. I own a G5 and like the controls very much but haven’t used it much lately. The buffer feels slow after using newer cameras.
The big benefit of the G range over the GH range, is they are much much cheaper!
I am always recommending the Panasonic G6 to people, it is a bit harder to try and recommend the GH3 though.
The biggest benefit is indeed that is is smaller.
And GH has failed to implemented IBIS.
Remember this patent?
http://www.43rumors.com/page/3/?s=panasonic+patent
What a shame that the EVF is centered, makes no sense, specially in such a small camera, hopefully they save this design for the GM2 next year when they eventually bring new sensor tech to m43
Yes, move it to the left corner please! Could it be the LX8?
* Not likely the LX8, (due to the interchangeability of the lens).
* The left corner already sports the pop-up flash, which would need to be moved to allow for moving the VF to the left corner.
* Doesn’t appear the be the “new” larger sensor fixed lens model.
* Too large to be the GM2 . . . .
* Where is the battery compartment?
I have been thinking about this patent as well, and wondering where it fits in. Not a GM camera, not a GX camera, not a GF camera, does not look like a G camera.
Oh… how about version of the GH4 but is a 8 megapixel camera with amazing low light abilities! Like Sony did with their A7s.
Nice thought, I don’t think so it will happen in this time of megapixel wars…..actually Panasonic had 12mp sensors for their early MFTs but they didn’t have good quality
Mp and circuit technology are not equivalent nor do they advance accordingly. 12mp on FF is not the same as 12Mp on 1¨, nor is 12Mp on 2008 the same as 12Mp today, Mp are just a number in the air not a rating system for quality, that should be clear by now. A 12Mp GH4 with today sensor tech would probably annihilate any of the old 12Mp m43 cameras (mainly because that sensor was already old when m43 was introduced and even when new it wasn’t a marvel in sensor tech). Unfortunately such idea would make much sense in today’s market, not because it’s not a good idea technologically but marketing-wise it would kill the GH4 even if it yielded better video, there’s no way anyone would go for 12Mp in anything less than FF.
Lol….Tell me some thing I don’t know
And besides that, It likely wouldn’t increase DR or ISO performance to such a degree that would make it better than just downsizing a 16MP image to 12. As already stated, the A7s is only truly better than the A7r past ISO 12,800. That doesn’t seem a worthy compromise to me, though I’m sure there are those that do require extreme ISO… I don’t think they make up a large enough consumer base to make this type of camera for m43’s.
How do you know? Do you own both? Both these Sonys are actually toys, better than GHx but no match for C and N.
It happened with the A7s! So you can hold out hope… and 8 mexapixels would be ideal if it meant a full sized sensor read out for 4K of one to one
Though 4K is a bit different ratio to what photographers use, so I suppose the actual sensor might be a tad bigger than 8 mexapixels.
12mp looks like a good compromise for good quality large still shots + 4k videos…..We can only hope for what we want, finally it all depends on the OEMs……
I love the m43 system, but Sony really is thinking out of the box with the A7, giving users specifically targeted bodies for different markets. Even though the 7s is far from perfect, I’m buying one just to support Sony and their forward thinking marketing/engineering approach. I considered the GH4, but ultimately I feel the 7s suits my needs better. If Panasonic made a low resolution GX8 with 2K (or 4K), improved EVF, clean HDMI output, and line audio input, I’d cancel my A7s purchase plans.
Apparently, the benefits are negated a bit when you simply scale down images from the higher-res equivalent sensor.
The rumors were about the LX8 and a fixed lens 4/3 camera. So now we have a third ‘possible’ model? An MFT ILC? Mmmm.. that’s nice. A bit weird once the ‘oldest’ model, the GF6, is from April 2013. Well let’s see Pana’s new approach…
Yes, There is deifnitely a new MFT camera. I am now working ot get the details. Hope this post will “invite” other sources to confirm what I got in these days.
thanks admin,they will announce 3 cams about LX succesor,M43 compact fixed len and last new M4/3 ILC ,really ?
Wow, another M43 gadget machine toy. One thing that could make this camera good is a low price so that it can compete with ps and one inch sensor camera’s.
Shouldn’t be difficult. 1″ sensor cameras aren’t exactly cheap.
Gadget. Machine. Toy… Name three things Viezevure uses when cruising the schoolyards.
Heeeyyyooo!
I’ll be here all week.
Gaykon is always Gaykon…
Snappy rejoinder as usual my friend. You’re slipping my friend.
There’s still time to share actual information with the group about, you know, photography.
BTW, the plural of cameras does not include an apostrophe. You’re really getting rattled.
are you into photography? I thought you were into other stuff… or the other stuff being into you… disgusting and stupid, as usual from gaykon.
You’ve openly fantasized about that in the past, so no surprise you’re still dreaming about that SD. I do like that you’ve embraced your name. And lifestyle.
Thank you for your thoughtful post and for spell checking.
girlies must go to girlie forums…
Wow . . . What Mastery you display with your awesome troll posts. We will help the Admin keep an eye on you.
You do know that you’re typing here, on this forum, right little sister?
Sorry to be mean SD, but you make it so easy.
Still with the broken dildc? Cannot afford a new one?
And what, pray tell, is a “dildc” SD?
Nikon 1 accessory?
Wow, another pointless comment from a useless troll. One thing that could make your comments useful is if you can actually post a single photo that you’ve taken with your precious FF sensor.
That’s the challenge I pose to these types of idiots. They have nothing. Posting this crap makes them feel better about themselves.
I’d love to see a GM2 with 10MP sensor, so better for low light shooting. Also allow for a minimum shutter speed and Auto ISO like on Fuji bodies. And finally IBIS. I’d buy that puppy right up!
Interesting, as a GM1 owner, I’d love to see some updates to a fantastic body. When using manual lenses, I’m not able to use a mechanical shutter, unless shutter speed is longer than 1/4 second. Why not force enable mechanical shutter all the time, if desired? The HDMI port can only be used to play out to a monitor. It would be nice to be able to use it as a live view monitor or EVF while shooting and even better yet, enable clean uncompressed HDMI output for external recording of video. 1080/60P video would be welcome, as would a 2K mode. Obviously I use the GM1 for light duty stuff, but if these updates were made, could actually keep that body in play most all the time. I’d rather trade in the flash for a built in EVF, if I could only have 1 or the other.
I really really want a rugged MFT camera like the current Nikon 1 AW1.
I wonder if sensors’ pixels could be designed and/or programmed to reconfigure on demand to prioritize size or sensitivity as desired. Like @David Peterson’s comment below, I’m interested in the A7s’ extreme ISO claims, but it would be great to dial down resolution on demand. 16 megapixels for daylight, 8 larger virtual megapixels when pushing to extreme ISOs. I’m sure there are technical reasons why we haven’t seen it yet, but perhaps not insurmountable if there’s interest. Sony provided a great market test.
Take a look at the EXR system by Fuji (implemented on X10)… http://www.fujifilmexr.com/
Thanks! Did it work? Fuji seems to have dropped it in the X20. Reviews seem mixed. Some prefer the X10 images. Others say they don’t see any better DR in the 10 and that the X20 has better IQ. I spent a week with the X20 and loved a lot of it but did see noise. Not problem noise, but it is there.
To be honest, I didn’t play a lot with this feature…
Thanks again. X10, 20 or 30 may be in my future. I’m hoping the LX8 has similar usability.
I loved the EXR function on my FujiFilm XF1!! Such a pity I lost the camera :-/
Sorry to hear that. Would you buy it again? I don’t know when you purchased, but that camera appears to have dropped 50% or more in price on Amazon. A replacement could be yours! But there may be other great options coming very soon. X30, LX8, TripD, etc. I’m waiting, but then may actually go for an even further price reduced X10, once the dust settles. I can wait — have great stuff to use now. But I want something smaller…
I purchased mine when they were selling for just US$150 *brand new*!
If I could do that again, then I would in a heartbeat! (well…. I hadn’t just spent ever last penny buying a BMPCC! 😀 )
At the moment they seem to be about US$200 second hand for an XF1, which I can’t quite bring myself around to spending. Especially with my record for losing my smaller cameras!
Currently I’m using a Canon ELPH 100 as my little pocket camera :-/ Which I picked up ages ago for just US$50 second hand so that I can run CHDK on it (well worth it, just to get a play around with CHDK! http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_in_Brief ).
Before the XF1 I was using Panasonic GX1 with a Panasonic 14mm f/2.5 on it as my “pocket camera” to always take with me. Which I also lost one night when I was out drinking… :-/ You can see a pattern here!
When I compare the GX1 vs XF1, while the GX1 is clearly the superior camera, I did greatly greatly prefer my XF1 for its specific purpose. Because it would fit in even the pocket of a slim pair of jeans, and its performance was still rather darn good! (of course I would assume the Sony RX100 is better, but it is waaaay more expensive! And they impression I got from reviews, is the XF1 is better than anything else which isn’t the RX100. Or at least pretty close to it) I especially liked its EXR performance when out in town drinking in a bar, because I’d often not even need to use a flash! It was that good at low light (at least for my purposes of just sharing on Facebook).
Haha nice one…..even I was thinking about that………can anyone enlighten us why its not possible yet ?…..etc mode could use the big sensor size to zoom into FHD video without much loss in details….I’m sure awesome Panasonic engineers can achieve anything
If you look at DPReview’s excellent comparison, with the exception of very high ISOs (north of 12,800) there seems to be nothing to gain with the A7s compared to the A7r when you downsample the higher resolution file. It’s only after 51,200 that you start to see up to 1 stop of improved noise performance, and you only get 2 stops of improvement when the dial hits 204,800!
If you regularly shoot above 12,800 it’s worth looking into. Otherwise, I’d say you’re much better off with the significantly better resolution and flexibility that a higher MP sensor affords.
I do think that having a higher usable ISO really permits you to do unique things with photography (i.e. shooting at higher shutter speeds and narrower apertures in very low light). But the dynamic range really suffers in those conditions, too. You might have low noise images, but they still don’t look particularly nice. Depends on what you’re looking for, really.
like m43 cant be avobe iso 800
Oh, man I sure hope it’s an update to the G series, though they’ve denied releasing a G7 this year. If they put a swivel screen on the GX8, I’m so buying it.
Only reason I favor G over GX is swivel screen (and then prize of course). But swivel screen on GX and G series would be obsolete, at least feature wise. Only thing would be formfactor and maybe still prize (but all recent Pana m43s were quite well built).
I’d really like a G7 or swivel screen camera with ibis, 4k and dfd focusing, that is smaller and cheaper than GH4.
Totally, but maybe 4K and IBIS won’t work together, then I would prefer a very good 1080p and IBIS over 4K.
possibly a new G series camera, with GM1/GX7/GH4 like sensor, swivel screen, EVF, IBIS, 4K vid capability but a lot less video related controls/features to make it desirable/affordable for people who want GH4 still image quality but don’t care much about video.
or a new GM camera packaged with new pana leica 15mm f1.7…
serisouly..GM1 has quality control issue with their sensors..I recently sent my GM1 to RMA because there was dents or dirt beneath the sensor that cannot be cleaned, got a replacement and still found some dirty spots…
If you took the GH4, removed video features from it, and tried to sell it, the only responsible thing to do from a marketing standpoint is to make it more expensive and have some sort of tangible evidence that it is a “boutique” product. Adding features that appeal to a wider user base means more sales, meaning that the per unit cost can be lowered.
GX8 with 4K.
no,time of organic,fuji tell about start of 2015,
but panny had co-factories ,i guess they can produce org-sensor faster than Fuji.
^_^
GM2 with ibis and better low light performance would be great!
We don’t need more MFT bodies from Panasonic. We need a successor to the L1, because there’s no Four Thirds DSLR available now that Olympus has discontinued the E-5. Why buy a Micro when you could get the real thing?
I thought the Pentax 645z is the real thing? Seriously, who wants a mirror? And if I like big lenses, I’d go for the A7, wouldn’t I?
I guess if you want OVF then you might have to switch, if you want to use your 43 lenses you have to wait for better OnSensor PDAF.
You’re dreaming. They’re not investing in Four Thirds ever again. Four Thirds is dead for anyone who doesn’t already have it. = /
I like retro. Give us something like the Fujifilm T1 with swivel screen and give us lenses like the Fujinon XF 23mm with distance markings. All weather sealed please 🙂
Me too, although I prefer not to think of it as retro, but just simple plain good design proved by the test of time and generations of real cameras. Dedicated dials without having to deal with menus and function keys / encoders, is the way it should be, not given some patronizing “retro” tag. A camera should be able to be operated without an LCD or EVF entirely for most shooting, in my opinion.
m43 its already dead …..at least for photograpy i think olympus shut focus in create a real camera
Please be less stupid.
You are assuming that he can read.
Probably an update to bring the latest kit to the G6.
gh4 was frist 4k cam… the zupazuum 4k was 2cnd. and what now?
right… 399,- g7 4k body. sooooo..i have no hesitate…
No more MFT, it willbe the first Pana FF camera.
Panasonic GZ1, with FF sensor and 12mpx, 14DR, global shutter (or something good against rolling) and internal 4k recording. 3000$.
Dreaming, of course, is free!
i hope that but i still likes compact body & lens of M4/3 ,
finally want 4/3 (more mega pixel) global shutter,high iso ,high dr,accurate light absorb,
organic+MCS (i think can beat curve sensor,foveon),will make me happy
I thought about same size camera, if a7r could have that ff sensor in that small body, why not a gh3/4 body?.
But we’ll need chance lenses, 🙁
Dreaming….
yeah,compact body of FULL FRAME but lens is physic
,size can’t fit