The 1 inch sensor of the FZ1000.
One of my very best sources (Thanks You!) confirmed the 1 inch sensor used by the new Panasonic FZ1000 is from Sony. It’s actually the same RX100M3 sensor but unlike Sony Panasonic managed to solve the heating issue to make it record 4K.
The source told me people shouldn’t get confused because Panasonic calls it “MOS”. It’s just a marketing thing. It is the Sony BSI CMOS sensor 🙂
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Ok very well. A news that LX8 will have a different sensor is awesome. This 20mp sony sensor is too megapixels for 1 inch – 12mp are the perfect amount
Wow so much clever input here, are you all engineerds?
Why? Jealous?
I agree – I have the RX100 – I think 12MP or no more then 16MP would be more practical to improve low light performance etc
So what sensor will the LX8 have?
I’ve started to be persuaded by those that argue that scaling down more megapixels to the same viewing size offsets the supposed low light benefit of less megapixels (or at least gets close enough that it’s not worth limiting your resolution). Does anyone have a good resource to look at either way? Maybe people have compared different MP sensors from same generations downsized to similar viewing sizes?
I used to believe that bigger pixels should obviously lead to better low light performance, but is it really true?
Here is your answer: http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-A7S-versus-Sony-A7-versus-Sony-A7R___949_916_917
This gives interesting info, but also raises as many questions as answers. The A7 and A7R were released at the same time, the A7R has 36 mp to the A7’s 24. Why does it score so much better on ISO? I see the A7S is best by far, but it is also a year newer, which might help. Another similarity, both the A7S and A7R, the higher scorers, also both support iso 50 while the standard a7’s base iso is 100. What do all these things mean?
Also, I don’t see anywhere that DXO downsizes their images. I thought they did, but I read the “about sensor scores” page and it wasn’t mentioned.
I still want to believe there is some noise benefit to less megapixels- I would think it simplifies the manufacturing process and leaves more room for actual light sucking silicon- but I guess I’m just not convinced that the benefit is as large *at normal viewing sizes* as some people think.
There is no heating issue just “greedy issue”. The same sensor is used in two or more other Sony 4K cameras already.
It’s likely more of a size and heat dispersion issue.
Is more likely a “greedy issue”, Sony wants to milk it’s clients of more money than Panasonic for 4K video recording.
the admin was talking about the competition RX10 NOT SONY camcorders i.e. ax100
I was also talking about RX10, the lack of internal 4K recording is not due to sensor overheating in RX10 (it has a metal body, heat dissipation is better than in FZ 1000).
“Solved” the heating issue? In a big body like the new Pany compared to the small shirt pocket portable Sony? Congratulations.
I think some heating issues can occur in video mode or just the Live mode? I read somewhere other live video cameras show it when doing long video sessions.
if they use IBIS
Not sure if its only for ibis as I never had trouble using my e-m5 for recording my live music performances(5-6 min per track)
IBIS produces a lot of heat but 5-6 min is nothing. Try once to make a 20-30 min video.
I don’t quite understand why the rumours about this (and similar cameras) keep being posted here at 43 Rumors?
This is not a Four-thirds nor a Micro Four-thirds camera – it is not even close to the concepts that are the fundamental to the two Four-third-based systems.
I’d rather like such rumours being posted in a “Bridge Rumors”-site of its own, as I totally lack interest in its kind.
I agree, but…if Sony’s maling a 20MP sensor and selling it to others, maybe a 20-24MP mFT sensor isn’t too far away?
Also, I’d be curious to see a 24-600mm variant of this camera that would truly cover 95% of my shooting interests. Longer lens, of course, but maybe still worth consideration.
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I think 20 mp is the inevitable next step for m4/3 sometime in the not so distant future.
I tend to agree.
It is still interesting how GH4 technology is scaled down to a bridge concept.
It’s not GH4 tech, yet Panasonic tech. This bridge news doesn’t belong here.
Way to distort things by claiming Pana “solved” something. There are Sony video cameras many months old with 4K and this exact 1″ sensor, for example ax100 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1022653-REG/sony_fdrax100_b_hdr_ax100_full_hd_handycam.html
Admin here is the most rabid m43’s fan boy of them all.
Admin is an m43 fanboy is he now? Hmm. Could that be why he’s the admin of a website called “43rumors” instead of “Assbigasyomamasrumors”?
Maybe he’s jumping on the Sony bandwagon because he got a FT5 that Olympus is going to bow out soon…
It’s $2000.
Can it even shoot stills?
is it even Weather Risistant?
hmmm….
Off course its a Sony. One (Sony) to rule them all.
This tiny sensor is the future on the low end side. APSC in the middle and FF on the high end side.
thank god the big fallus syndrome is a dying phenomenom, Only some stubborn affected ones will survive for the sake of entertainment.
SD, three pointless nasty little posts and this isn’t even M43. Are you branching out?
Speaking of tiny sensors, you didn’t answer if you were out shooting with your Nikon 1 last weekend.
Sharing is caring buddy.
Who are you? Who is SD? Are you a very smart boy? Let us know, we are worried.
I can always tell when you’re backed into a corner SD, you develop amnesia. To be fair, it must be hard juggling all those names.
Nikon 1? Photography? Remember?
Don’t feed the troll… just ignore.
“FF on the high end”? I don’t think so. Not with that tiny sensor. I prefer a real camera, such as medium format or large format. There is no place for your tiny “Full Frame” sensor. Full Frame? For what, single cell organisms.
Once the rumoured Sony 645 sensor comes in, we’ll see just how full frame this mythical “full frame” is. Haha. I hear Sony is working on a “fuller frame” near-645-sized RX (OMG what will it be called? Oh noooes the FF nuts have run out of numerals higher than 1!) and Fuji is working on another. Then we’ll see what these 135 guys are going to do when the MF guys pin equivalency on their, urm, booties. Haha. Hahahaha.
For most people living on this planet the so called ‘full frame’ sensor is definitely ‘high end’. Dont be such a fool…
For thousands of years, most people thought the world was flat. They were wrong about that too.
Panasonic solved the 1″ heating problems: by putting the sensor in a body 5 times the size of an RX100 – such genius!
Too bad Sony couldn’t do the same thing with the RX10.
I don’t believe it’s a heating problem with the sensor, although that could certainly be a challenge. IMO the main problem for Sony is converting and storing 4K video, my guess is that their processing chip can’t handle it, or it would have been implemented on the A7s.
Sony is doing fine with the same chip and 4k on the ax100
Very very good jup
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Would be nice to see a version of that fz1000 9.1-146mm lens available as MFT lens. Even with a shorter focal length on the long end, 9-50mm will do.
MFT badly needs a $500 zoom that starts at f/2.8 (ie 2.8-4.0). The pro lenses are nice but too large a jump from the kit lenses in quality and price.
So I assume the LX8 sensor will be the same sensor as well ?
If Panasonic did a M43 fixed lens camera – so basically a LX8 with a M43 sensor – would the body have to be very large? What would be a realistic focal length –
I would love to see a LX8 big brother with same focal length or longer with a M43 sensor –
so if body about same size as GX7 then that would be fine
The body would not need to be very large- just look at the GM1. It’s tiny. I would personally like this potential LX8 to actually have a larger body, so there is room for controls, a useable grip, and a decent sized EVF.
The lens, on the other hand, might get a little bulky depending on the speed, but should not be too bad- look at Canon’s G1Xii. It has a 24-120mm 2.0-3.9 lens with a basically m4/3 sized sensor, and it’s not too big.
Imagine an LX7 body with an m4/3 sensor and G1Xii lens strapped on the front- it would be very manageable, and very capable. YUM.
Admin,
I think we all very much appreciate the work you put into this site. However, I come here for Micro 4/3 news. Rumors about bridge cameras with 1″ sensors doesn’t interest me in the slightest. I can read that elsewhere.
Many forum participants appreciate the ancillary information our Admin posts … (m4/3 or not). Perhaps rather than hectoring the Admin for posting “Panasonic & Olympus Digital Camera News”, you should start your own blog and we will tell you what you may post.
“Rumors about bridge cameras with 1″ sensors doesn’t interest me in the slightest. I can read that elsewhere.” . . . . why not take your own advice and GO ELSEWHERE.
I am thankful that our Admin is not small-minded like yourself. There will be MANY future posts about cameras you aren’t interested in. But the far majority of forum users certainly do want information about such products.
I agree. While I also come here for m4/3 news, I can also appreciate these types of posts even though I would never consider buying this type of camera. It is good to know what the options are out there. If the post does not interest you then don’t waste your time clicking into it and submitting comments.
Well, how about correcting posts that are wrong, like the GX7 being discontinued.
I mean, that’s M43… What’s up with that?
You’re Right! I also thought that post should have been corrected. It’s like there is no Moderator on this forum.
However, I’m still waiting for an answer as to why we keep seeing full articles advertising a couple of cameras left from questionable vendors for severely discounted prices.
Are these (not-so-well) disguised advertisings?
I agree. Click-bait.
I would rather that 43rumours ne open and honest and just stick advertising on the side, then force me to read these obvious hidden advertisements for lousy companies.
43rumours, how about taking some ads for B&H or Adorama, instead of ads for broken Brooklyn storefront operations?
The ads are down to the agency that Admin has signed up to and the cookies that have been downloaded on to your computer. I never see these ‘lousy companies’ you’re referring to. But that’s because I’m in the UK. and get a different set of targeted ads.
If I’ve recently looked at Amazon for example I get Amazon ads for the stuff I’ve looked at there.
And if I use my work computer I see business ads not photography ads..
By judiciously deleting your cookies you can limit the amount of crap you see.
Feel free to start your own website that deals only with m4/3 and nothing else.
Or is it more fun to just complain?
It just seems to me like I could read this news on Mirrorless Rumors, which, I presume is managed by the same person.
Well said.
It’s not a mirrorless camera either.
It’s a point and shoot.
Well, technically it is…..no mirror. 😛
This post is here because Sony got most of the manufactures in the pocket. No Sony advertising no more tiny M43 news.
You’re obsessed with tiny things, aren’t you.
Admin, Olympus will lunch E-PL7, where is the news on 43rumors.com? Maybe here: http://photorumors.com/2014/07/09/olympus-pen-e-pl7-camera-to-be-announced-in-few-days/
It’s not the E-PL6 just release today for Europe?
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/7682237330/olympus-takes-pen-e-pl6-beyond-asia
Wait, What?! No Exclamation point!!? My word!
“unlike Sony Panasonic managed to solve the heating issue to make it record 4K.”
Sony AX100 records 4k too.