I have an update and correction on the GX7 successor rumor. Seems like the announcement will take place in September and not in May/June. A sources mixed up the announcement date with another camera…yes there is likely “something else” coming from Panasonic in May!
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Never believe any shop’s announcements of “discontinued”. What it usually means is they haven’t paid the last invoice and can’t get any more. It’s a good indicator that the shop has cash flow problems and may be going titsup.
Or the demand for that model is low.
It might not sold as good as GM & GH
but it still regarded as flagship still camera from Lumix ,
just like X Pro from Fuji .
You should join the party as well !
I’m not saying that it’s not a good camera. I’m saying that if a model (whatever brand) is getting low in sales, I find logic to low prices to get rid of the stock, and then write “discontinued” on the page. Keeping in stock unsold items is a waste of money.
🙂 I don’t need a third m43 camera!
I do! (I have EPL6 and M-1….), I am intrigued with the EM5 II..but think I will wait for the M-2…
In the meantime, I am saving for the new Oly 300mm.
Don’t get me wrong, all these cameras are good, I’m just drawing comparisons –
The Olympus rep I chatted to was of the opinion that the E-M1 is still a better camera than the E-M5ii. My GH4 is definitely a better stills camera than my E-M5ii (noise at high ISO, colours, etc). My E-PL7 is practically as good a camera as my E-M5ii, certainly better than the E-M10, being an improved E-M10 less the EVF.
Being 3-axis. the stabilisation on the E-PL7 is head and shoulders better than the E-PL5/6. The “all axes” stabilisation on the E-M5ii is extraordinary, they say 5-axis but it is xyz plus yaw, pitch and roll which I count as 6 axes (nevermind) and they no longer call it IBIS.
Despite that is does not actually produce a better exposure solution than an OIS lens; what it can do is compensate for extremely clumsy handling, and it does that very well. It’s noise handling however is underwhelming, something the latest Panasonic handle very well indeed. How noisy is the E-M1 at high ISO, that does have a Panasonic LMOS sensor, the other OM-D are Sony CMOS.
Limitations:-
The E-M5ii does require a ultrafast U3 250Mbps SD card to write quickly.
Maximum movie file size is 4Gb. I cannot get movies to run for much more than 10 minutes before it shuts down, this is to prevent the sensor from overheating apparently, it does get quite warm (so does E-PL7).
I believe Panasonic outsold all the other camera manufacturers in Europe last year, they won some award for that. Not just mft but compacts and PnS too.
Selling about as slow as hot cakes.
Is it still selling as “hot cakes”?
I don’t think B&H is going “titsup”, and they were the first to write “discontinued” under the GX7 name.
Find a shop that sells the GX7 without the lens (body only). That is discontinued or unwanted by any shop. Amazon, B&H and Adorama no longer sell it themselves, you can sometimes find someone selling it overpriced used on Amazon. The reality is that the stores or Panasonic dropped the price a few months ago to clear inventory and never restocked.
Yes you can still buy a GX7 with the kit lens but that is more than what it cost for the body only (obviously). I think the body only was on sale for like $399 new when the fire sales started.
It seems to be a common a practice I’ve observed many times over in merika for stores to mark unavailable items as “discontinued” when they mean out of stock, this practice is illegal in England under the trades description act. It is common but unscrupulous practice for large chains not to pay the invoice until they need more stock, if they can’t pay then they can’t get replacement stock, this is often an indication of a cash flow problem and a company about to go titsup.
The GX7 (new with kit lens) is available from many stores in the UK including Wex, Currys, Jessops and Amazon UK. This from a very quick down and dirty web search: the GX7 is a very popular camera over here, I have myself seen it on the shelf for sale in Currys and Jessops very recently. From £499 to £599 depending on lens. the dollar is about £0.69
The camera market is usually split into three: Asia, Europe and America, the first two being about equal and the latter being by far the smallest sector. The european camera market is mainly France, Germany and the UK, you will appreciate that the largest and most lucrative markets tend to get preferential treatment wrt supply. Camera imports from the far east arrive in humongous container ships to Rotterdam (Holland) and then they seem to sell out rapidly as demand outstrips production.
It is usually worth checking the manufacturer’s web site for current items before bleating “discontinued”. Panasonic still list the GX7 as current production.
Have you found a site that lists the GX7 body only for sale new? On Panasonics website or some other site? No? Then that option has been discontinued. It has been “Out of Stock” for like 5 months now…
Note you can go to B&H’s, Adorama or Amazon’s website and find the GX7 with the kit lens in stock. So no the GX7 as a whole is not discontinued but the option of buying the body only (which would run at $399 based on the last available prices) is gone
If you think that the camera is “Not in Stock” because Amazon, B&H and Adorama did not pay their bills I would have to wonder why is Panasonic selling other camera through them including newer cameras than the GX7? That theory doesn’t make much sense when you are talking about very large companies, not paying the bills might make sense for a mom and pop shop but not Amazon.
Just checked, GX7 + 20mm f/1.7 + 45-150mm OIS f/4-5.6 is now in sale for 799€. Body only 399€.
Not a necessarily bad news, it may mean that a new sensor technology is ante portas.
nice
but i’m already wating for quite a while – i’ll be tempted by the sony release as i’m coming from a 7 year old alpha …
Please rethink the buttons layout on the back, especially DISP which I am continually hitting by mistake.
Good .
I rather it on delay to give way to significant improvements over current GX7 .
At least a full stop improvement in ISO performance & some DR increment are expected .
Of course , with a new sensor as well .
Noone said anything about a delay. The source got the release dates of two different cameras mixed up. And a delay of 3 months will not give you any significant improvements.
Let’s be more optimistic about what the new GX camera is offering .
I bet definitely a new sensor is on the card .
I hope you are right on a new sensor – but we know that Panasonic and Fuji are working on their Organic sensor – which is promising – Fuji with their sensor tech is nice – but Fuji moves slow – not like Sony 🙂 – so not sure that hooking up with Fuji will work well in the long run – Sony so much larger in sensor production –
The rumors say 1-2 years off before Organic sensor is out – so I do not expect to see a new sensor for the GX8 – but in 2 years for GX9
I wish they would use the Backlit tech that Samsung and Sony use – that would help in low light performance – but makes no sense since they are coming with the Organic sensor in 2 years – at least financially –
I think the highlight will be 4K video – but no Mic In – which will just be a disappointment for many and they will remove the 3 Axis IBIS the GX7 has as for some reason they cannot do 4K and IBIS – note new EM5 and Sony A7 M2 – I rather nice 5 axis IBIS rather then 4k with no Mic in –
and leave the 4K for the GH4 – and just make the GX8 a great street shooter – video currently is quite good although not 4k –
Right now there seems a tech hurdle with sensor – the backlit tech is worth putting into new Panasonic sensors if Organic not coming any time soon
Fuji is not managing sensor production, Panasonic is and also this is a joint venture. They are ready for production or already in production now.
Recall that the sensor tech has been several years in the making. It would be too late if they wait two years from now. Competition is heating up and they can’t afford to wait. Also Panasonic is pushing 4k, likely their entire lineup will be 4k at varying quality.
Also recall the timeline:
http://www.43rumors.com/ft4-new-sensor-to-be-ready-for-end-2014-early-2015-only/
that is what I mean to imply a joint venture – with Fuji providing the design mostly and Panasonic with the production –
the article/rumor you linked – says – I got this info by two trusted sources. The new GX7 will not feature an organic sensor and we can expect first camera using the new tech by end 2014 only (and probably shipment in 2015)
I sure hope that is the case and the GX8 will have the new sensor – that would be awesome – but I ran into an article few months back which stated that Fuji and Panasonic where running into technical issues and it was not imminent – so that leads me to believe that there will be a delay – I suspect a year at least – the good thing is that one of the main competitor Olympus is still using their same sensor as there has not been any drastic improvements in sensor technology lately – same with Sony in their A7 m2 – Sony improved their 1 inch sensor with back lit design – but said it would be difficult to implement in larger sensor – Now however Samsung has done that !! awesome – I am hoping that we will see more of that technology in larger sensors –
I sure hope I am wrong and that we will see the Organic sensor in the Gx8 – and 4k with Mic In and a 5 axis IBIS –
Sony is putting 5 axis IBIS in their A7 body now and I know that they want to offer 4K – but they where unable to do that now in the A7 m2 – I just really think that 5 axis IBIS should be in every camera – so lenses can be smaller and lighter and cheaper – why replicate IS in every lens – Yes competition is stiff – but if an Organic sensor technology was ready then I think Sony also would be releasing something with it –
I knew the GX8 announcement was a fake. Don’t expect to see it in September either, its going to be in 2016 or later. If Panasonic is anywhere near coming up with a new sensor they will not release a new flagship until it is ready. Expect the GH5 to be released with the new sensor, to be on the market for a few months to soak up demand and then maybe 9 months to a year later you can expect a GX8 with it in there. If the GX8 comes out first then it will have an old sensor like the M5 mkII but probably just toss in 4K to make it different from the GX7.
Or something else will happen.
That’s the fun of rumors 😉
why he told about time line only,but i want spec information !!!
That would make it almost exactly two years after the GX7. Makes sense. I wouldn’t hold my breath for a new sensor generation though. Organic sensor is not ready for primetime yet, and the last generation is as old as the GX7 itself. Two year lifecycle seems a bit short for one sensor generation.
Aside from the sensor, there are other technological and ergonomic improvements that could be made. For instance, the graphics processor and EVF could be upgraded.
I won’t bother with my own X-mas list of features. Those can be really tiresome.
Yes, very true. I was mostly thinking if I would upgrade without a new sensor. Maybe, but definitely not at lauch in that case.
no organic this time(both panny & fuji) may be micro-color-splitter then
if it’s not micro-color-splitter, which is something that you will guess?
panny had several patents,and many applied-material to join-factory ,and now panny had no image-sensor factory(sold-out) ,key is join-factory.
What a strategic mistake! In the mid class, that is between GH4 and the GM series, Panasonic has nothing competitive to offer. As it was the case when the original E-M5 came out, there is no response from Panasonic to it. So the excellent E-M5II remains the only m4/3 product in its class for a while. Good for Olympus!
Who knows what’s up Panasonic’s sleeve at this point, but I’d hardly call it a mistake.
There’s no point issuing minor incremental upgrades, technologically or financially, especially on high-end cameras, if there’s no real dramatic improvement. Both Panasonic and Olympus have been guilty of that in the past… GF-series and PEN line-ups, for instance… and it only served to cause model confusion and dilute the system to some extent.
I agree.
I’m a potential buyer of the GX8—I hope that Panasonic makes it a compelling upgrade. Improved IBIS for both stills and video, 4K, better EVF, tilt-screen (not swivel out).
I am 100% sure, a GX8 will be a LX100 with interchangeable lenses. It is the natural upgrade to GX7, at least 4k and DFD.
I think that a IBIS and 4K are out of the question for now – Sony just released their A7 2 but no 4K – Olympus their EM5-m2 with no 4k –
I think they say the sensor would be to heavy or something to that affect – given that I prefer 5 axis IBIS as camera in that price class will not have 4K video and Mic In – sub $900 – Panasonic put a 3 axis IBIS in the GX7 but no IBIS in their 4k GH4 – and LX100 or FZ1000 –
I would love to see the Tilt Flip LCD like that in the EM5-M2 – EVF will be improved for sure –
I would love to see a back lit sensor like that of the Samsung NX1 and NX500 and Sony RX100m3 and Canon G7X – but I think that is out –
It will be the same sensor I am sure – as we have seen Fuji and Olympus do – 1-2 years until Panasonic/Fuji venture of the Organic sensor will be out – I have 2 GX7s and love them – but I expect there will not be a compelling reason to upgrade unfortunately –
Weile that is in part true, it is also important to have a new competitive product on the market timely. The E-M5 has cost Panasonic a lot of customers, who migrated from GH2 and G2-type bodies to Olympus, because Panasonic had nothing comparable to offer. The GH3/4 were simply too fat to offer an adequate replacement for the GH2 and the former suffered from severe view finder problems.
The mid class gap exists now for a quite a long time. The G6 is outdated, the GX7 does not offer decent enough view finder quality and is a different concept (unfortunately).
Agree the OM5 is in a class of its own but this is where Pana can come out with a higher end G8 with weather sealing.
The Olympus fanboy is a very sad, delusional person. IQ is better than the EM5. And how much better is the MkII? HAHAHA!
That’s no real surprise, since Panasonic seems to have a roughly 2-year upgrade cycle for their high-end M4/3 cameras.
As the site name indicates, these are all rumors. And this site often gets it wrong, especially with Panasonic rumors.
Remember this site had no idea about the Panasonic 42.5 f1.7 released two weeks ago.
Also, in fall last year this site also said the GF and GX series was dead. And we have a new GF and rumors of a new GX.
Just saying that this rumor is most likely as useless as the others.
yeah,on panasonic rumors had much mistakes,
because this site was not panasonic rumors but is olympus rumors.
When there are too many liers from Panasonic, what can the admin do? She doesn’t run the sources. 😉
I am happy with my GX7 until something new comes down the pipe in September. But I am interested in what is coming in May/June. G7/8? LX100 with interchangeable lenses?
LX100 with interchangeable lenses is a GX8! Damn, i hope it comes in May/June. I need a 2nd m43 camera for video for my trip.
I hope they price it competitively with A6000/A6100…. In Canada the GX7 is still way more ($400 more!!) expensive than the A6000
I agree – Panasonic needs to rethink price as Sony has rule in this category mainly because of price – both the Olympus OMD-EM10 and EM5 /m2 and GX7 and Fuji X-E2 have been a bit pricy in comparison to the A6000
makes sense as the GX7 came out in Sept timeframe – I see the Sony A6000 soon to be A7000 and the Olympus OMD-Em10 / EM5 m2 the main competitors – The Sony A6000 has been very popular due to a very competitive price and of course being a good camera – I have both the A6000 and the GX7 and enjoy using the GX7 lot more – but the A6000 has a tiny edge in IQ – but fun to use goes to the GX7 – Touch Shutter and 9 Fn keys etc – the Grip a bit better on the A6000 but GX7 a bit better looking –
So my hopes with the GX8
– 5 AXIS IBIS – ( but as I am fairly certain it will have 4k I suspect it will not have any IBIS )
– Tilt LCD like that of the Olympus OMD-EM5 M2
– I prefer 5 Axis IBIS over 4K
– keep same styling and features –
– back lit sensor for better low light performance – ( i expect it to have same sensor 🙁 )
– I expect it will have a better EVF –
I think it will be a small update similar to the EM5-m2 which did not include 4k but improved 5 axis IBIS which is great – and the 40MP mode and the new Flip LCD – improved EVF –
I think Panasonic will not introduce 40MP but the highlight will be 4K video but with no Mic In so many will be disappointed – I would prefer to focus on improving sensor to backlit and 5 axis IBIS – so improve more on stills side vs video side as video side is already decent and as long as there is no Mic In then it will not be a serious video machine – and I guess 5 Axis IBIS is not going to be happening for neither Panasonic or Olympus any time soon –
So I expect the Sony A7000 not to have 5 Axis IBIS either –
last thought – Panasonic needs to keep price much closer and preferably lower then the A6000/A7000 to compete – the GX7 has been priced to hight last year and I know sales have slumped – although it is a great camera but when buyers can get the A6000 much cheaper they did – finally now the GX7 has come down a bit –
I suspect 1-2 years before the Panasonic / Fuji organic sensor will be out – so in the meantime I think they will keep using the same sensor –
Since Panasonic is rolling out in-lens stabilization for so many of its new lenses, my guess would be they abandon in-body stabilization. 4K will be the big “wow” factor for the GX8 and not the stabilization, although I too would prefer stabilization over 4K but with a new/better ISO sensor
yes I agree that it is most likely true that the GX8 will not have IBIS but mostly for the fact that it will have 4K – seems like manufacturers are not able to do 4K and IBIS – else Olympus and Sony would have put 4K in their new updates on A7 II and OMD-EM5 2
The odds that the GX8 will have 4K and Mic In are very very slim – Panasonic wants buyers to get the GH4 for serious video – those who make a camera under $900 and Mic In have so so video options and quality – like Fuji X-T1 and EM5 m2 but no 4K – Panasonic did not put Mic In in their FZ1000 or their LX100 – main reason is price category – I just personally think that IBIS is the way to go – smaller and lighter and cheaper lenses – why replicate IS in every lens while one can just have it in one place – but I am just stupid to think that way – To me the GX7 is a great street shooter – a range finder style – so more of a stills camera – of course I would love to see 4K / Mic In and IBIS but it is unlikely to happen –
It’s a shame they abandoning this feature. One perks of having a mirrorless camera is that you can pretty mount most of the lens on the market with a proper adapter and go from there. While other mirrorless can probably do the same thing, especially sony A7 being a full frame making it a poor man’s leica. But in term of the look of camera, nothing come close to the GX series 🙁
Unfortunately for Panasonic, the Samsung NX1 and NX500 have blown the GH4 out of the water for video.
Panasonic need something amazing, and soon.
I’m guessing better OIS control + digital stabilization.
I work at cameras store in Poland and I talked with Panasonic promotor yesterday and he also is expecting GX8 to come up soon (may or sth)
So what else is coming in May then if it isn’t the GX8? GX7 Mark II or GH4 Mark II? LOL.
LX100 mk II, duh 😉
Yeah LX200 coming, left that off my list. GX7 sales apparently are doing ok right now and they have a compact travel zoom, beefed up zoom and GH4, so LX100 replacement is logical but not really.
They don’t have anything to compete with the E-M5 Mark II. Could PANY add a E-M5 Mark II competitor? BUT a7000 is around the corner so my bet also is a higher end LX model but really a GX model makes more sense as the market is shifting from fix lens models.
PANY took DNA from the GH4, LX100 and GX7 then made a baby and its the GHLX!
Interesting rumour and comments. Walked past my favorite camera store in Zurich today and saw some Panasonic signs outside. I was greeted by a pro inside who from time to time is invited to represent Pany and Sony gear. Chatted endlessly to him (don’t remember the last time when people did not try to sell me something and were extremely well versed with Nikon and Fujifilm stuff, too) and I was informed that he had checked with Pany just yesterday: seemingly there is no GX8 on the horizon. This is not say that nothing will appear in the 2nd half of the year. Given the current price point of the excellent GX7 this does not look too catastrophic to me…
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No offense, but that story doesnt mean much. Why would the businessmen in Japan tell this guy in Zurich all their plans?
Who is this Pro you speak of? And what store are you talking about? Sounds like a fish tale to me.
Or maybe he’s right… maybe Panasonic won’t make a GX8, maybe it’s a APS-C camera!
What is your name? And where you live?
Sounds like you are just a trolling here to me.
Or maybe I am wrong and you dare to tell your real name and place where you live proofing you ain’t a troll.
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Take your time Panasonic and get it right.
Fix the EVF, fix the IBIS, include a mike input, and most importantly, put in a new sensor.
And how about a LX8 being a possibility?