UPDATE: One of our good sources contacted me to say that unlike some speculation made by our readers the new OMD camera that Olympus will launch in September is neither a E-M5 replacement nor a complete new OMD model. And I got word from two sources that the new OMD may be just a new Silver E-M1 with new firmware update.
This means no real NEW OMD camera is coming at Photokina. Hope other sources will contact me to confirm or deny the rumor.
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I would prefer better high ISO by 2 stops if possible 🙂 I can dream 🙂
not a video guy but would be really nice to get better video with the IBIS !!!
2 stops better ISO is not possible because of the sensor size limitations. Buy the A7s if you need fantastic high ISO performance in a mirrorless body. Video will be surely improved however.
I also shoot FF
sony has to many issues at this point maybe next gen I like the way they are going though
but its possible ? to say its not then we would be where we were over 10 years ago or more ?
even just a few years ago compared with what we had in M4/3 setups we have gained two stops
A few years ago (like 5-6) the sensors were about one stop behind the new ones (including mft, aps-c, ff). Also, aps-c and ff will develop. So when mft will gain another stop, the aps-c and ff will also benefit from the same gain -more or less – (most sensors are made by Sony using the same tech).
yup but I would like about two more stops n M4/3 🙂 this is a M4/3 rumor site if I wanted to talk FF I would be posting on the sony rumors 🙂 and to me FF is still small compared to Med Format backs ? again this is about the Oly OMD I want it to have two more stops hahahahaha
You won’t get 2 more stops, but you might get 1 more.
Editing D4s files at this moment so I have a good grasp on nice high ISO 🙂
One possibility is to reduce the pixel count. 12 MP instead of 16 should be enough.
Nonsense. We’ve already seen a one stop gain from the E-M5 to the E-M1. Technology marches forward, though I’ll agree that a quantum leap ahead will require new sensor technology … e.g. organic sensors.
But I’d expect that another stop gain beyond the E-M1 may be possible in this next OM-D. And overall I’d call that extremely impressive for a smaller sensor!
Eventually, the larger sensors will not be required for sufficient DR and high ISO performance under 90%+ of shooting circumstances.
According to DxOmark, the E-M1 has worse high ISO performance than the E-M1. Also the real ISO of Olympus cameras is not the real one. This can easily be tested if you have a Nikon or Canon. The exposure on the Olympus is longer for the same apertures and ISO selected so you can say that Olympus is lying about the real ISO capabilities.
So sick of people trotting out DxO Mark tests as if they’re god or something. They’re but one testing modality and have been repeatedly proven questionable in several key metrics. Read the reviews of some professional shooters instead.
To wit: “The sensor’s overall tonal response seem quite similar to the E-M5; however there’s about a stop more dynamic range in the shadows, and noise seems better controlled…” [http://blog.mingthein.com/2013/09/10/olympus-om-d-e-m1-review-1/]
Re: inaccurate ISO values? Urban myth. True for Fuji’s X-Trans sensors (typically overrated by about a stop; not to mention RAW files are cooked with noise reduction even when it’s turned off), but not true for the OM cameras (in fact, this has been disproven many times). I also know because I have both (along with a “full-frame” Nikon pro camera).
Wow….great news. Would love to see a new “high end” camera from the M43 factory. I hope it will not cost over 2000 euro. If its under 2000 euro please Oly take my money. This is going to be the best camera ever. This one will rule over APSC and FF.
Lay on the fanboyism!
Don’t you have more useful things to do then trolling on a forum you claim to have no interest in at all? Taking pictures with your humongous DSLR for example?
E-M5 is still a great camera, no need for replacement.
Only thing: Olympus please improve the painting. After two years, my E-M5 looks like garbage, never had that with any camera before.
I have my EM5 for exactly two years and it looks like new. Maybe you should watch your stuff better ?
Ditto. 2.5 years and about 70,000 shots. No damage to the finish.
I am cautios with my e-m5 too but after 2 years i noticed the the edges of the EVF housing shows slight wearing showing the metal underneath it, prob caused by the housing getting “polished” by the padding of my LowePro slingbag everytime it too it out/put back during those 2 years I think the painting is not as tought as the one on the E-1.
Maybe you should actually use it 😉
And maybe I`m actally using it more than you. In fact, right now I`m sitting on the beach with my gear in my hand or in the camera bag. Never, never on the sand, rocks etc.. I bet you`re cleaning front elements of your lenses with t-shirt, am I right ? 😉
With the first scratch I was annoyed, like always with a new gadget, but now that it has a few more bumps and bruises it just looks nicely used 🙂 Like my dads old Nikkormats where the black came away and showed a yellow metal under… As long as it works, me personally just thinks it looks cool when scratched and bruised 😀
indeed a 1st scratch feels like the end of the world.
How old are you? That “yellow metal” is called brass … as in “brassing.”
Don’t tell me, you “picked up” photography post-2000, right?
Kids today…lol!
PDAF and better camera than E-M1? Could be something, but strange decision for Olympus, or maybe they are going to the next level. I hope they will release something at the same quality level of E-5 DSLR, build like a tank. My E-M1 is not the same quality like my old E-5, this is for sure.
I have the feeling that its harder to make a robust camera when its much smaller as it limits the thickness of a lightweight diecast body frame. Prob the Panasonic GH3/4 dimension is the way to come up with toughness near to E-X toughness. I have always imagined an E-1 like dimension/form would be ideal for a tank MFT
Correct. Smaller, lighter body means thinner, less robust parts.
So it’s going to be the E-M2?
The one above EM1 ?
Hopefully not just 4K but improvement in Still as well .
My guess is that’s going to be a more expensive camera than the E-M1 and it might have great video features (an Olympus first).
http://photobyandrei.wordpress.com/
focus peaking in video and I’m in
Nice and all but is this really nescessary? E-M10, E-M5, E-M1 and this E-Mwhatever (7? 100? 3? 0?) seems bit too much. I’d prefer cheap E-MXXX, amateur E-MXX and professional E-MX as a line up. There’s only so much µ43 can do even though it is fine format for me.
you hear Olympus? He doesnt want it!
maybe a 24MP multi aspect sensor (so maybe 20MP in 3:2/4:3)… *dream* .. but never going to happen 🙁
May be the 4K thing is actually true… Oly jump on the 4K video bandwagon.
not when I just bought a EM1… 😮
We already had this rumor some weeks ago.
Except then we pretended that it was not a new model. We pretended it was a “hardware upgrade,” which is what everybody else calls a new model.
Yes, except most people seem to have ignored one poster (I believe this person has posted in the past & it appears like he or she actually knows something) & to quote;
“O • 11 days ago
Firmware is indeed coming. New and interesting features will be introduced. This will be the first time Olympus is doing it for their current flagship.”
Lenseeeees !
maybe this will make the videographers happy with the videospecs up to their demands…I just wonder if Panasonic would be happy with a video optimized OMD.
It will be hard to surpass GH4 in specks and codec on video side. If they manage that, the camera won’t be cheep so ether way Panasonic is doing well. I don’t mind some competition for Panasonic, this will force them to make even getter cameras in the future.
no need to surpass the GH series, just enough to match most specs, and the 5 axe ibis does the remaining. As long as Pana does not add a lens independent stabilizer , this could be a possible acecard for a future video optimized OMD. I say this purely from a point of feature list, as many potential buyers stare alot at specs.
I personally don’t care so much about IBIS, I use a lot of stabilizing stuff, but I do care about my camera overheating. But If they manage to cool it properly, then why not?
I admit stabiizing is not a necesity for everyone, especially in video work, but its very important for handheld video. The E-M5 does very well in recording long live performances. The question is if this can be done too in 4k. Personally I dont have trouble with Oly’s limitations in framerate and bitrate options. Videorecording has come a long way, and when someone says he needs “decent” video, it puts a grin on my face.
I’m not interested in handheld video, it looks very unprofessional. Not to mention, if the camera has a rolling shutter, the results is disastrous. Olympus must add 24 and 25 fps if they want to sell their cameras for video work. 30 fps flikers on meany type of bulbs in PAL countries.
sorry I dont agree, if you use handheld with a fluent handsupport technique. it looks very well in combination with that 5 axis ibis…tripod video can look very static if you dont use variation in edited work. I am not doing video for professional purpose, somehow I can either live with the limits or adjust with workarounds. I know you dont like that and need the perfect frame options. Everyone his own priorities.
Indeed. It’s actually a new high-end camera. The current E-M1 is leaving the stage…
If they add new video features to a big thick and pricey model. There are too many models in this range already. Personlly I need a small EM5/10 size pocket camera with decent video capabilities.
I want more details on this OM-D!
it was obvious, GH4 is successful, Olympus react.
The GH2 was successful, Olympus didn’t react. The GH3 was successful, Olympus didn’t react. So why would they react now? But it would be nice to have an Olympus camera who can compete to the beloved and great GH4.
For many of us the Olympus competes very well with the GH4.
Personally if I was given a GH4 tomorrow it would be traded in the next day for a lens
So it really depends on your requirements. Video is not one of mine.
I like Olympus cameras for their attributes for still photography. My discipline of choice. I will not be buying another body until there is a sensor tech breakthrough that brings me a “small” camera with IQ closer to my current FF camera. The O lay pus cameras that I currently own have all the “features” that I need. They are fabulous. Video is not a consideration for me in any way.
Keeping the “micro” in micro four thirds would also be nice.
Weather-proofing and full 5-axis IS in a small body with improved IQ would be an asset, too.
Troll . . . 1st posted as “kiki”
I post here all the time under my name…I have no Idea who kiki is and my post is my opinion, which obviously differs from yours. WHAH.
…I am no troll…just a great photographer! 🙂
Oh don’t be so ridiculous. If you spent any time on this forum reading contributions rather than swanning about like a sanctimonious drama queen, you’d recognise Bob B as a regular contributor. The only person spoiling the thread with spamming and pointless coments is you (and now me)
Wow, just wow. I think this rumor, if true, has taken everyone off guard. It only makes sense that the oldest model in the line would be the next to get updated. Still, if Olympus can pull off a significantly better sensor and evolutionary improvements across the board, they should please the photography crowd. What I would be interested in, however, is high-quality 4k video capabilities with IBIS usable during recording. This would be the feature most beneficial to the enthusiast crowd, that of which Olympus should target. If that happens, I will be all in on this new O-MD and their future PRO-branded lenses.
high mp or videoK is cool to have but not many people really need it for what they do. Technology or marketing makes longing for things which iare not always necessary, like those shaving knives with 4 or 5 blades while 1 already does the job.
Troll – originally posted as “kiki”
The content of the post isn’t trolling at all. And about the user name, see my post further up in the thread.
Olympus and there colors ? STUPID and I have 3 Oly so I like them but why the stupid color game ? come on Oly get past that ya make nice gear
Troll
How does a simple cosmetic color variation turn into 4K video and all the other fantasy features people have listed?
Will the silver body match your lenses? That’s an issue to really worry about! 😉
This is why I only bough black lenses for my silver EM-5. They look great with the silver body, and perfect with my new EM-1. The silver lenses and cameras from Oly got to many different shades…
Wonder if sales of David Busch’s OM-D E-M1 guide have been harmed because the cover shows a black body with silver lens
Personally I think it is butt ugly with a silver lens on a black body, but others might disagree 🙂 The only thing uglier is a silver body (em-5) with a “champagne” tinted silver lens (see oly 12mm and 75mm). Yuck! Never understood why the first silver cameras/lenses from oly had that yellowish silver…
Disagree. Black bodies with silver lenses look DEAD SEXY, IMO.
older shooters should be used to silver body/black lens combination, but I have no idea about the younger generation. I think Admin’s sources might suffer from sunstrokes sometimes.
Heh heh.
My first film cameras were all silver/black hand-me-downs.
So, when I bought my first camera, Nikon FM2n, it was BLACK, baby! 😉
This is the updated version of the news, the older version was less clear.
I just sat and watched as “kiki” posted the following 5 nonsensical posts, by Honu, Sqweezy, Bob B, Phred, and “kiki” quickly changed their login names . . . all were originally “kiki”. Somehow this troll (same one whose posts have been deleted by Admin), can post a bunch of contrary trolling posts under one fictitious name then quickly rename them so it looks more like an argument. It is evidently, not possible for this individual to restrain himself in any way. (Severely arrested development).
Gentle posters who are sick of this trolling jerk should flag these posts should “flag” these posts. I would also respectfully request that Admin permanently ban these trolling user names, and delete everything he has posted today and see what is left.
I think you are the troll. Nice try though.
What the hell are you talking about? The admin will confirm by checking my IP that i only post in an only one login name.
will do
Actually, there is a Disqus bug that makes guest posts appear with the same user name. When you refresh the page, the true user names appear. I’ve posted as a guest myself, and then seen other posts appear with my user name. Refreshing the page always fixes the problem.
When posting as a guest, you don’t log in and you can’t change the user name of a comment you’ve posted.
You’re right.
The E-M1 makes a very good framework. Slight modifications to its control layout and shape (i.e. “a new model”) are not needed. Refreshing the firmware once in a while – thus giving the camera enhanced features – is highly desirable though. This trend works against the usual consumerist psychology and will be no doubt extensively criticized, but lets face it: the development in camera technology has slowed down to a near standstill in the past two years and most advances are now software oriented anyway. Perhaps in the future we will be required to pay for new firmware versions for cameras we already own. This might be the only way for manufacturers to preserve (or improve?) their profitability.
Perhaps this is down to regional differences, but several stores on bd Beaumarchais in Paris told me that they had a little hard time going through their stock of silver Olympus equipment. Internet websites in Europe are routinely out of stock for black versions, more rarely so for silver ones.
This won’t work. Silver/black body looks gorgeous for range finder style. It will be surely awful for DSLR style like E-M1.
Trolling by “Richards
No, looks gorgeous on my em-5, with silver/black and black lenses. So you are wrong.
I actually agree with Richards. E-M5 is not DSLR style. It’s more like range finder with a hump. E-M1, on the other hand, is actually a DSLR type with hump and a big grip.
True. I stand corrected 🙂 But I still think it might look nice…
+1 Silver E-M1 will look ugly.
Someone doesn’t fondly remember the classic OM series SLRs… Still have my OM-1n somewhere.
+100
Well, if this means there will also be a (the) firmware update released for the e-m5, then I’m not really disappointed.
another “Richards” troll post
Now I think you’re hoping! Continuing with more firmware updates for the E-M5 is less likely, but more for the E-M1 would make sense.
Yeah, I was hesitating if I should add the 😉 or not…
I have been saving up to buy the E-M5 II because I do not need PDAF, as I won’t buy any heavy and expensive 43 lenses to use PDAF (as if the camera is not big enough, or made big to use those lenses better). So, if this rumor is true, then I will save my money for another year. Sometimes I wonder whether Olympus thinks that existing E-M5 owners must upgrade to E-M1, as they have released the II after 2 and 1/2 years, which is a very long time for such an important and successful model. Actually the E-M1 is not much of an upgrade for numerous E-M5 owners, as it does not offer any improvement in IQ. A lot of owners simply do not need PDAF or fast FPS. I won’t get the E-M1 even when it falls to $800, as I want a smaller, lighter camera, and after nearly 3 years at least some improvement in IQ.
If my E-M5 should break, I will just buy another one at a good price now. I will not be getting the E-M1. I won’t get the E-M10 either, as it does not have 5-axis IBIS. I think I should thank Olympus for not having to spend the money and buy a new camera this year, saving me GAS and money for a real upgrade next year.
posted by Richards . . . Troll
Don, PDAF is not just for 4/3 lenses, it is for AF-C with m43 lenses too.
That was what people were expecting, with Sony using that kind of on-sensor PDAF and the E-M1 sensor expected to come from Sony, but according to Olympus the E-M1, which eventually got a Panasonic sensor, does not use PDAF for M43 lenses.
http://www.pekkapotka.com/journal/2013/9/9/olympus-om-d-e-m1-autofocus.html
m43 lenses in C-AF DO use OSPDAF. In combination with CDAF, but still, smooth AF-C is not possible without OSPDAF (at least for now even Panasonic’s DFD is not quite there yet).
Oh, I see. Thanks for the correction!
waw …so the limited color story continues ….
“UPDATED: New High End OMD may just be the Silver E-M1 :(” I like my silver E-M5 but am quite happy with my black E-M1. It would have to be too soon to bring out a different new Pro model with the E-M1 approaching 1 year old, but a silver version might add to the sales along with additional Firmware features (as they did with the E-M5 elite).
As far as I remember Olympus said that they have no plan to make a silver version of the E-M1. Though this could have changed of course, my guess is that we´ll see an E-M5 update AND a maybe a silver EM-1.
The Troll with 10,000 fictitious user names has completely taken over and ruined this thread. He has easily posted 60% of the nonsense posted here. I suppose he is trying to show us that this is “his forum”, that he is the real Admin . . and that he is smarter than everyone else here combined.
Don’t know if you’re aware of it, but there is a lag or a bug in displaying poster’s names. On my smartphone, you post as “hedge hopper”, on my pc at the same time as “troll alert”, and two minutes ago as “Richards”…
I never posted anything under the name “Richards” . . . only did I post as Hedge Hopper and Troll Alert
So now, you’re aware. You can stop your troll hunt based on displayed user names. This really ruins the topic. Thank you 🙂
By the way, why do you use more than one user name ?
Yes!! There is bug on refreshing the poster name display. Just this.
Actually, you are ruining this thread by accusing perfectly sensible posts written by known users like Bob B. of being troll posts. There really is a bug in Disqus that makes posts appear as if written by the same user. Try refreshing the page once in a while, and the true user names will appear.
Also, posts should be deleted based on their content, not because of their user name.
Who does already need a new top-of-the-line model anyway?!
Dunno . . . Troll
Need Olympus to release OMD and Pen with decent video, or better still decent video with 4k. Otherwise, will move to next Panasonic GX if it has 4k and a decent EVF… If none of the above happen, then will stick with the excellent E-P5 with crappy video 🙂
Higher than Em1 sounded hard to believe.
Olympus (and Panasonic) can improve a little bit the performances of their products, but I think we’re close to the limit of today tech involved in sensors.
We’ll see the next important step in IQ when the legendary and nowhere to be seen organic sensors will be available.
(Personally I find my silver Em5 beautiful, but I think a silver Em1 will look odd as the silver Df. I wonder how does it cost to Olympus to produce a model in a different color)
Current sensor technology can continue to move forward, but now only incrementally, I would say. As you point out, the next quantum leap forward will require new technology, e.g. the organic sensor.
Once that happens, I’m not sure Sony’s strategy of putting a full frame sensor in a smaller, mirrorless body will make sense anymore.
Well, Sony could put a 35mm organic sensor in a small mirrorless camera, if they go into that tech, to achieve an even better performance. 🙂
Hard to believe they will not update E-M5 after 2.5 years on the market. WiFi and OSPDAF with faster AF-C (and sequential shooting with AF-C) and CA correction are must haves today.
I think it’s hard to believe you & many others are putting too much faith in a rumour!
If you read what I wrote, how can you get “too much faith” out of “Hard to believe”?
Because there isn’t any official announcements that says they won’t. The only information so far is what has already been announced & future products that have been announced & it sounds like you’re going on rumours like they’re facts.
Yes, but the EM-1 has been “downgraded” in price to what an EM5 cost when it was launched, so people who were waiting for a new ~$1000 camera can just get EM1 with all the bells and whistles.
I guess Olympus and Panasonic are (quite oddly…) focused on new compacts right now.
The EM-1 is not a simple replacement for an EM-5.
The EM-5 is lightweight, small, svelte, in keeping with the entire miniature micro 4/3 format. The EM-1 is a porked out hulk by comparison.
Those attracted to the promise of micro 4/3 in order to stop “lugging around” equipment may not find the two interchangeable.
Aye, it’s not a perfect replacement, much like it wasn’t the answer that many 4/3 owners expected as an upgrade from the E-5.
But Oly is just playing very conservatively. They already have a body that got massive hype when it was released with the EM-1 (remember people calling it ‘a mini-D4 for 1/4 the price? Insane!), why not just keep producing it and lower the price instead of releasing a new body which will require expensive new R&D and which will have a hard time to prove itself against all the great cameras that came out since the EM-1…
I thought the OM-10 was Oly’s replacement of the OM-5 and its sales are certainly doing very well even if it lacks weatherization and the 5 axis IBIS? A OM-5 like model might detract from OM-1 sales?
We are in digital era. OM1 and OM10 were film cameras and there was no OM5.
The EM10 is an entry level camera, not a replacement for the EM5
Really? DPR’s review when comparing the two said they would pick the EM10 over the EM5 unless one needed the latter’s weatherproofing and 5 axis IBIS. Note the EM5 added a flash and still managed to keep the metal body a little less height.
Which marks it out as an entry level camera.
You wouldn’t want to use a larger ‘pro’ lens like the forthcoming Oly 40-150mm F2.8 on it for any length of time as it would get uncomfortable.
And many serious users (not all) do require weather sealing as, believe or not, people sometimes want to take photos in snowy, cold or wet conditions, or at the very least are unable to prevent their cameras from getting wet in those sort of conditions
The e-M10 is only very, very slightly smaller than the e-M5 making the ‘you wouldn’t want to put this or that lens on it’ argument irrelevant. The real issue is that Olympus won’t make a serious grip accessory. If there was one, the ‘entry-level’ arguments would seem silly and would likely disappear altogether. Spec-wise, it is very similar and in some ways far superior to the e-M5. Wifi transfer and smartphone controlled shooting are not small upgrades. Plus the improved processing engine. I would only buy the e-M5 over the e-M10 if I needed the grip. The e-M10 is a replacement for the e-M5 regardless of how it is designated by the company.
No, it’s not a replacement for the E-M5, because the E-M5 hasn’t been discontinued yet. The OM-D line-up is three-tiered, with the E-M10 as the entry-level model. That the mid-level model happens to be inferior in some ways is simply because it’s an older model.
Those two points are why I prefer the EM5. I think you meant the EM10 added a flash. The EM5 has no flash and I prefer that. I guess it’s all a matter of personal preference. Stats show the EM10 has slightly better noise at higher ISO values. I was hoping Oly was going going to come out with a new flagship OMD.
The E-M10 as an entry level camera uses the smaller BLS-5 battery while the E-M5 (& E-M1) use the larger BLN-1 battery as well as having the battery grip available, so it (E-M10) isn’t a replacement for the E-M5 even though it has added new features that the E-M5 hasn’t.
Where are the numbers that “sales are certainly doing very well?”
Thanks,
Now that I don’t troll here as much as I used to, there’s this paranoid self-proclaimed troll hunter, Hedge Hopper aka Troll Alert, who sees trolls everywhere. A real nut case that one. I guess my services aren’t needed here anymore. So long, good folks!
Liar. You are trolling MORE THAN EVER. You cannot control yourself. You have totally taken over the forum this morning and there is no sign whatsoever that you will quit. You will only change your usernames and troll all the harder . . . . “As a dog returneth to his own vomit . . . “
So, Hedge Hopper/Troll Alert/Get Lost, where are all these posts of mine, that have ruined the forum this morning? All I see in this thread are normal posts made by regular posters, and then you accusing people of trolling. People have explained to you that there’s a bug in the comments system, but still you insist that you’re right. You have become the troll!
Admin can delete all my posts. I don’t care nearly as much as you do. I am trying to assist him in spotting your trolling patterns. If Admin doesn’t care for my assistance I can quit giving him a heads-up.
As for you . . . (I guess my services aren’t needed here anymore. So long, good folks!) . . . . I correctly stated that you cannot control yourself and you will never stop pestering the “good folks” of this forum and you will never stop trying to destroy the work of our Admin.
“Like a dog returneth to his own vomit” . . . . you simply have no control over yourself.
But don’t you think it’s kind of weird to call “troll alert”, when the actual content of the posts aren’t provocative or flaming at all? The posts below, by Bob B, Sqweezy and a few others, none of which were written by me, contain nothing whatsoever that could be described as trolling. And yet you insist that they ruin the forum and should be deleted.
Butt hopper is a genius.
This makes sense to me: the OMD line has 2 great, very up to date models and an “old” one in the middle that still offers great IQ.
What is needed is the reimagined PEN line, the promised “pro” lenses, some ultra wide primes and something out of box, like a Trip D to challenge Fuji’s X200 (X100s replacement).
A radically small OM would be fun but I hope that a new Pen continues to differentiate by size (but adds the EVF so many have requested).
Better save some development money. All Olympus needs to do is pushing firmware with new functions to the available bodies. Everyone will be happy!
Preferably, they direct their development money (for the next year, anyway) into fleshing out the pro lens lineup.
I thought the new OMD would be an entry level one… http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-rumor-correction-the-new-omd-entry-level-camera-is-the-e-m5-successor/
There’s no need to wait and prognosticate!
It’s already here, the EM10!
Mackerel, eel, tuna or catfish, I can’t decide. They’re all delicious!
One thing that is never considered in forums is that different models have different shutter lives. The E-M5 is allegedly 100,000 shots, the E-M10 50,000, and the E-M1, 150.000.
That was the at least old three tiers at 4/3 anyway.
Also I am beginning to think that Photokina is going to be toned down. High level cameras have lost almost 50% in total number in three years, so why even offer new models?
There will be some surprise in large formats (Nikon) but it’s fairly probable that small sensors can’t really do much better.
Except Foveon which is improving. But that’s a lonely enterprise, probably underfunded. In different times I kept my film SLR for almost twenty years, so I don’t care, Gear was always a distant second, or third.
For those of you who can, why don’t you take a long trip instead. Sometimes it helps much more than a different camera.
Very interesting stats as I would never expected to read that the high level cameras were down by almost 50% except for DSLRs as so many new mirrorless compact models have emerged at quite high prices and no doubt the manufacturers see a higher profit margin from some of these models even if volume is less.
As electronic shutters become more into use and better performing the shutter lives will be of less importance than now for heavy users.but 50,000 cycles limit does appear to be on the low side especially if one wants to keep and use their cameras a long time.
I read somewhere that Nikon invests millions in developing the sensor processing codecs to come up with the gain in better IQ. The differences are always subtle and mostly is only visible when pixelpeeping. If sites like DPR wouldnt concentrate on pixel level comparing, I cant imagine Nikon would spent that much cash in the software. I printed a new magazine on Blurb where I used for one edition files from an Olympus E-1,E-3 & E-M5 (modelphotography where its imo less important to have much MP for printing) I upscaled the E-1 when doing spreads, but other then that it makes no big deal for me how many mp a camera has, as long as the raws have no disturbing artifacts in it. What I want to say is that the output is not always clearly better. Depending on your style of photography and how to view the photos, old generation cameras/sensors (with proper post processing in RAW) still can do the job..
Where are you getting your numbers? I’ve looked but can’t seem to find any reliable data on Olympus shutter life expectancy. There is m43gear.com that offers some statistics. But, no resources and it appears to be based off random survey methodology which I hesitate to trust.
That is merely tradition, but Olympus keeps discreet about it. The figures might have surfaced from maintenance, or from some technical handbook, and relayed by forums. I remember one was friends with a repair engineer in Portugal.
It is however quite evident that there are different shutters involved, if you listen to the sound and vibration of a say PL-x and and that of a M5.
Long ago Olympus used to show pictures of a new shutter mechanism, and the figures might have surfaced then, or from people buying and selling 2nd hand.
It is probably a matter of competition too: a camera of a different brand but the same class of price should have the same number of actuations available. I remember that the first PLx were rated only 30,000.
Wouldn’t any such shutter differentiation be a feature that the manufacturer would proudly disclose?
In the absence, it seems more likely that a manufacturer would simply use the same shutter for each, to keep their costs down. Such as, not shipping fully optically corrected glass, relying on software to do final correction.
Video is Olympus’ Achilles heel. It is a differentiator for Panasonic and Sony is doing better, as well. Can this be patched enough on the E-M1 with just a firmware upgrade?
The recent flood of EM-D rumors seem to be a distraction from what Pany may have coming down the line soon? Why no further rumors of the new m4/3 model coming from Pany which Admin said he had more information on and was 75% sure a week ago and still no updated rumors? I don’t want to have to wait till it is officially announced or others already posted the real specs and pictures on other sites before seeing here? Please excuse the change of topic.
OM-D rumours might well be deliberately put out there from Olympus, but at least it keeps some people entertained here. 😉
Hope a new EM-1 (EM-1s) for 2015, not before. So the improvements would be real, like a good 4K movie mode, an 20mp or at least real better high ISO sensor… ! And why not a build-in horizontal grip.
“why not a built-in horizontal grip” — because that would throw away any size advantage that micro 4/3 camera bodies may have. And if you want a horizontal grip badly enough, you can (unlike probably most E-M1 owners) buy the accessory grip.
It will be silver colour cost twice as much and limited edition of 300 ..until they sell well and then it will be silver for anyone who wants one with free lens.
If it’s a firmware update, specifically a firmware update that unlocks better video and frame rate options, that would be fine. The EM-1 body performs great. I see no need to replace it just yet. Unlocked video options would be awesome!!!
It might well be firmware that the E-M10 has now, (live composite photography” on page 42 of the E-M10 manual) that may come to the E-M1 & maybe some other little nicety.
seem logical – I agree that Photokina will be very low key – I think the camera makers do not have much new to offer – and the cost of bringing out a new model is very high –
Sony was making waves with high MP sensors but now the low MP sensor in Sony A7s –
Sony seems to love to come out with a new Sony NEX5/n/r/t A5000/A500r – yet it does not seem to change much – still no mode dial –
I think the manufacturers have peeked in sensors at the moment – and will use 4K as a selling point for a while – but I think the mainstream user is not so excited about it yet – they do not even have 4k monitors or TV’s – Sony’s full frame in a small body sales pitch with the A7/r/s is some issues – primarily the size of the FF lenses – and therefore they have no plan for a zoom with F2.8 constant aperture – Sony really needs to focus on producing more lenses for their NEX/A E mount and their FE mount – not everyone is going to pay $1100 for a 55mm F1.8 lens when they can get somewhat similar quality cheaper – so many will just stick with their DSLR’s with much better lens selections
Seems like there is time on the EM-5 but maybe Olympus was doing the same as Sony with their NEX6/NEX7 – combine into one with the EM10 –
Sony should announce their new flagship A99II and lenses for both A and E mount. Add to that the RX2 curved sensor announcement- that sounds very big to me. There is also rumor about new sensor technology finally coming from Canon (High Res) to be announced as well. In addition, a potential medium format fixed lens from Sony or Nikon….I mean, that sounds huge to me. I hope Olympus can keep the excitment up or it’s going to get left in the dust this Photokina.
That is crappy! I was looking forward to an E-M5 II with the patented, new 12-50 F2.8-4 as a kit lens, of course all weather sealed. But then I guess, that it could not really offer that much more than an E-M10.
Maybe they really only want to go the 2 OM-D route and the E-M10 II will be weather sealed again (which they left away this time to be able to keep the E-M5 in the program).
I will just save my money and continue to use my E-M5 then.
No E-M5 II, no upgrade.
No improvement in IQ, no need to upgrade.
Boy…that took the wind out of that rumor 🙁
Shouldn’t a troll be called a troller, to be correct? Trolling is a kind of fishing, and it’s called internet trolling because one is fishing for comments, one is provoking people to take the bait. A person who is trolling is a troller, not a troll. A troll is a creature from Scandinavian folklore, I believe.
So…in your opinion, you are a troller then, not a troll. We prefer to think of you as a troll…a slimy creature that waits under bridges and attacks unsuspecting passers-by. Since you are a more primitive creature, i.e. a lower form of life, we do not think your being has the elevated intellect or self awareness to describe yourself. Therefore, you should leave that priviledged duty to the members of this website.
As a ‘member’ of this website, why are you posting as a guest? I assume I’m speaking to Hedge Hopper/Head Chopper/Troll Alert/Get Lost. You sure use a lot of user names, especially for someone who criticizes others for doing the same.
And about that intellect, there is nothing elevated about yours either, you have clearly shown that with your recent Don Quixote activities in this forum.
A troll is indeed from Scandanavian folklore. The Internet use of the word relates to the Norwegian fairy tale Three Billy Goats Gruff, which involves a Troll. A Troll should be called a Troll given the context of it’s reference to the tale in question. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Billy_Goats_Gruff
You seem to be confusing the word trolling with ‘Trawling’, which is the fishing related term you were probably thinking of.
No, I’m thinking of trolling, drawing a line with baits through the water, not trawling, which is a different fishing technique where one draws a net through the water. Look it up if you’re not familiar with the term.
There are several proposed etymologies for the word ‘troll’ as used on the internet, some deriving the word from the fishing technique, others from the Scandinavian creature. I think the former is correct.
Trolling and trawling are two different fishing techniques. The former involves using a line with baits, while the latter uses a net that is dragged through the water.
Internet trolling most certainly is derived from ‘trolling’, not from ‘troll’.
Anyway, an E-M1 in silver will look nice.
I would love a Silver E-M1. That’s one of the reasons I’m still holding on to my MUCH better looking E-M5.
What exactly is “silver?”
In the analog days, I could buy for example a Nikon F2 black or chrome body.
The black had black paint over brass. the chrome had a more durable chrome layer over the brass.
What is “silver?” I suspect they mean a silver color rather than the metal, and I suspect it is not real chrome, or they’d tell us.
Is it just silver-colored plastic?
You gotta be kidding me olympus. Screw them. I’ll get a panasonic or something.