Image on top shows the current E-m5
I have to correct an error from one of my trusted sources. He made a mistake and he said he is now almost certain the E-M5II uses the same E-M5 16 megapixel sensor without PDAF and not the E-M1 sensor with PDAF as he previously told me. He said sorry for the misunderstanding 🙁
The same source said he has been told that at the end the E-M5II is not really made to hold the bigger FT lenses. The E-M1 is more appropriate for that.
On the other hand more sources confirmed that the camera will get the sensor shift function to shoot up to 40 megapixel (in up to 8 shots). So that is now nearly impossible to be wrong 🙂
Personal note: Really sorry about the mistake. It happens 1-2 times per year that even FT5 rumor get wrong. I hope ot make it good with some great new FT5 rumors 🙂
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How very poor. Is the sensor in the E-M10 newer than the E-M5? If so then could they not have used that?
Nope, same sensor.
Too bad if it’s still the old 2 years old sensor…
By the time of E-M5 Mk II release, it is going to be 3 y/o (even measured by usage in cameras). By the time E-M5 Mk II is out of production (judging by E-M5), it is going to be 5-6 y/o and nobody will buy it.
I prefer it to the newer E-M1 sensor, Seems to produce a smoother output.
And most of the ‘newer’ sensors from other manufacturers in the last few years have just been mildly tweaked versions of the older sensors.
Until there’s a technological breakthrough….
Samsung 28mpix BSI-CMOS looks like technological breakthrough compared to anything m43 from Sony or Panasonic. Yes, BSI-CMOS is old breakthough, but it is STILL not in m43, and 28mpix with full-sensor readout at video speeds is still not in m43. Wider sensor than the standard 17.3mm is also necessary for correct view in all-important 16:9, and also for some reason missing after GH2.
At least contract with Samsung if Sony and Panasonic are not able to produce a modern sensor anymore, reusing 3+ y/o tech is not a valid option if you want to compete in that market. Even buying the same NX1 sensor from Samsung and using its crops in multi-aspect ratio way would be much better than the current policy.
So they don’t get a new sensor from Sony? Or are they saving the new sensor for EM1mark2? While both Fuji and Sony are adopting new sensors for their next models it’s disappointing we’re stuck with the old tech. This is not to say that the EM5 sensor is poor for photography though. But a new sensor is really the only reason that will prompt me into a camera upgrade.
imo sensor upgrades are quite boring stuff, the pixel shift is more interesting to read and possibly to use when needed. Its actually already worth to call this a good upgrade for people who want something more headroom for printing large formats. Even I dont need it as a person photographer. I recently printed a 60×80 and good interpolating does the job for female shootings more than enough, even for my older 6mp files
Not everyone shoots light skinned women in ideal setups which aim to present a stylised version of reality.
she is tanned, shot in a hotel room with just single strobe behind me, but you are right, sitting like that is unreal.
Even if she were tanned to a crisp she’s still be light skinned and don’t tell me you aren’t taking advantage of white floor and the diffused window light
Dont worry, your face is not scary enough.
I used the mix of daylight and strobe here just for the sake of variations.
I will replace this one with a BW version without strobe on the wall soon.
(It’s nice to watch her while i lay down in bed…)
I don’t mind the “old” sensor all that much. But lack of PDAF in high-end MILC in 2015 is a no-go.
Come on, even high end smartphones have that, not to mention the competing cameras from other manufacurers (except Panasonic, but they have DFD, which performs on par with on-sensor PDAF systems).
pdaf doesnt mean automatically its good, and cdaf in the omd is quite good for S-AF scenarios.
That 4/3 glass is truly amazing and should be put to good use.
Yeah right, a camera without PDAF in 2015 , shouldn’t even be called a “camera”!
No wait a minute… you just said that there’s another possibility like DFD! So even in 2015, PDAF isn’t mandatory…
Quite confused you are (would say Yoda).
Why? PDAF is not necessary at all. CDAF in current high-end MILC’s is already much faster and more spot on that most PDAF camera’s. MILC’s have generally worse focus tracking, that’s true, but that can be improved with CDAF technique as well(and it’s already getting better and better).
it would be good for supporting the FT lens lineup
Yes, true. But that shoukd be reserved for the E-M1 and successor I think.
got a point there, I must admit.
Well, it’s not necessary if you got some other trick that makes focus tracking work well (like Panasonic’s DFD). Maybe that is the case here, who knows.
The thing is, this is gonna be a higher end camera, released in 2015. It’s gonna be competing with other high end-cameras. It’s gonna be evaluated against competing cameras. And usable AF tracking is an important feature for many photographers. And that’s probably gonna be something that is offered elsewhere (like in every low end DSLR for example).
So while the lack of such feature will make sure it won’t cannibalize any E-M1 sales, it might just put it in the “meh” category on release day. Or maybe Olumpus will position it as a camera for landscape photographers or something, where AF tracking is not needed.
So far, except for drizzling with sensor shift, there doesn’t seem to be much of a jump from the original E-M5. Maybe that’s because we don’t know much about it yet. We’ll see.
CDAF is getting better every year. It’s already the faster technique for single focus modes, GH4 proves that low light situations are not a problem anymore. Tracking is not a strong point, but it’s getting better every generation, I don’t mind if they use DFD or not if the end result is satisfactory.
But I agree on the risk of “meh” with the new E-M5, it has to be something more then a E-M10 with weather sealing and battery grip option.
Yeah, if they can come up with some other way to improve AF tracking, that’d be great. I don’t really want PDAF for PDAF’s sake. I’d just like to see upcoming Olympus cameras offering competent all around AF.
I’m pretty satisfied with S-AF performance on my E-M10, although I think there’s room for improvement (like, in some situations it insist on focusing on the background). But C-AF and tracking are completely useless. I knew that well when I bought it. I still went with it, cos my type of photography very rarely requires such a thing and other stuff was much more important for me. But when my brother was seeking advice on what to buy, and was considering mirrorless, I just couldn’t recommend that to him. Because I knew he’d need AF tracking very often, so now he’s a DSLR owner.
So, whatever Oly does with E-M5 II, shaking of the stigma of useless AF tracking is IMHO quite important, especially for higher end cameras such as this.
And frankly, we don’t know much about the E-M5 successor yet, so I’m still hoping it’s gonna be an interesting camera. And if I remember correctly, there were some focus related patents from Olympus some time ago, so they might have been working on some ways to improve it. We’ll know for sure in 2 months.
Well thats pretty much pointless unless they improve every other aspect of the model.
Why include what is in effect an ancient sensor then release as new with a much inflated price, this smacks of a failure to me at the moment – the shift sensor bolt on will be of little interest unless it can capture the 40MB in realtime, which frankly I doubt.
in general, since i started digital shooting, the most heard wish is always more MP, which is quite boring and senseless; its obvious 40 mp will be ancient too soon in a few years, which means we only happy as long as the food is warm. unless we change the attitude in this and can be happy with a cold salad and hot tea too lol.
Good news for me.
same here, I like long exposures, and the E-M5 Sony sensor handles them considerably better.
And it goes without saying, the E-M5 II’s video specs will see no improvements at all… This is Olympus after all.
Totally expected. Things like PDAF are reserved for the E-M1 and the successor to that camera. It was totally not logical for the E-m5-II to have PDAF for use with older FT lenses.
Its also not logical for the E-M5-II to get exactly the same(Sony) sensor as the E-M5. Maybe it’s going to be a similar sensor with only minor improvements, but the same…just not going to happen.
But these rumors seem to come out of thin air, so anything can happen.
Do we know what will change?
(except for the sensor shift)
New processor?
Video codecs?
New body style, a merger of E-P5 and E-M5?
I can not imaging Olympus would make a second “faux pas” (E-PL7)
They must have something that would make existing and new user say…..”wow not bad”.
With improved processor tech its possible they can achieve even better performance… wait and see I guess.
I wonder why, if that’s how it will be. Don’t they want to sell more of the venerable Four Thirds lenses which all are still in production? Or are they afraid an E-M5 II with PDAF would cannibalize E-M1 sales too much?
Makes one wonder whether the PDAF sensor might have been a one-time effort to lure the remaining Four Thirds users, how small that number might have been anyway, into Happy Micro Four Thirds Land, and when they’ve got most of them, the trap has snapped shut, no new cameras with Four Thirds support come out, and everyone’s made to buy new Micro Four Thirds lenses to be able to keep up with progress in camera bodies?
Then I guess my next camera is the E-M1.
play with same sensor,no surprise and sadly oly can not order new sensor from others factory,
like they have no potential enough,nevermind i wait to see sensor-shift performance.
What a bummer! 🙁
While I don’t have any 4/3 lenses PDAF is really needed for useable C-AF. OK, I don’t need it very often, but when I do, I really do…
I guess that I’ll have to put my faith in a fall release of the E-M1 mkII then (and that it gets the 40MP mode too).
This rumor is dead-on for sure.
What an upset ?
But is expected .
I don’t believe in such multiple capture tech , what I want to see is true & pure DR & ISO improvements & this only can be deliver with new generation sensor .
Forget about it , no way I’m going buy in the old EM5 sensor .
since you are doing model photography, i wonder what benefits such improvements would give you. or are you into landscape and other genres as well?And you could just stick with your GX7 as well, and just make good photos with it
New sensor usually bring improvements in DR & ISO performance beside resolution that is needed to stay relevant in today’s digital photographing world .
Yes , if you always shooting in good lighting condition with EM5 , you definitely will not notice why you need a new sensor .
Same to me , I will only upgrade my GX7 if there really a breakthrough in LUMIX sensor tech
so, it looks like I was right last time, when I said, that PDAF will be implemented only in the Pro-Line :-). my message was based on an interview from Olympus back in September 2013…
I bought the E-M1 based on that same interview. I would rather have bought an E-M5 level body, but I did want PDAF. In this case, Olympus’ plan worked: by keeping PDAF to the higher end, I spent more than I wanted too.
They are doing the same thing here, too. I might buy this E-M5II, for landscape work, instead of a Sony A7.
Call it unfair, or stupid, or whatever: camera companies have to “work the crowd” as much as they can, in order to keep revenue up.
Sad….So here we go again:
After regurgetating the 12 Mpixel from 2009 to 2012 we are now heading sort of to the same thing…2012-2015 even new models have the same and now rather old sensor…
I understand Oly does not produce sensors bit they can get the panny sensor WITH PDAF (apparantly) on sensor (which Panny tehmselves do not use????). Anyways: suppose that is a Sony sensor in the Em1…why not in the EM5II?
We have a Sony a5100 and A6000 with PDAF that works. Is that not competition??
Or are those OSPDAF pixels on the sensor prohibited when in use with the sensorshifting…
If it IS possible to have both, why is Oly not getting us both. PDAF is a musthave now for a sub a 500-800 € Mirrorless cam.. Samsung is coming up with their NX400 too.
Panasonic Gh4, which I have, does really well with C-AF even in low light. But no G7 to be seen.
But again, we mFT users are left in the dark here below 800 dollar/euro. The lead the system had is long lost, bar the lens and the eternal size advantage.
Samsung is not going anywhere with their cameras. They were dead in the water once they came out with yet another new mount.
I understand your feeling .
But wait till 2015 , I pretty sure a ground breaking sensor is on it’s way .
Who cares which auto-focus system is used anyway? CDAF is already faster and more spot on then PDAF for single focus shots.
Test say focus tracking of the GH4 with CDAF is better then A6000(using PDAF+CDAF)., although not at the level as better DSLR’s, but the gap is getting smaller and smaller. GH4 can also focus accurately in the near dark, on of the best focusing camera in dark circumstances. (you probably noticed, you have one as well)
My point is, PDAF is in no way a requirement for a camera. Same with CDAF. The one is not better then the other.
CDAF can and will be improved, it does with every new camera that’s released. Soon all those disadvantages(mainly C-AF) will be gone.
Correct PDAF is only necessary for legacy lenses like 43 lenses.
Though the hybrid tech is useful for intermediate solutions.
Seems that M43 has reached the end of the line which is a real shame! They have this 16Mp sensor for years and ISO & Dynamic Range improvements have been minimal on its development. I’ll keep my G3 and lenses, but I will keep my eye on the next Sony APS-C sensor @lpha.
Yes, I’m beginning to wonder if I backed the wrong horse too – I jumped in relatively recently with the M10 and bar for poor CAF and ISO leaving a lot to be desired I’ve been pretty happy.
Sad as I really like the small size and weight and don’t want to have to go back to DSLRs
Backed the wrong horse ?
Then ask yourself , how regular you strike in horse racing .
Was that supposed to make sense?
It made sense to me. Seems like you’re a gear collector iso a photographer, sir.
You should go back to DSLR’s but at least a D4 or 1Dx else the CAF will not suit you either.
lol, chill…
Sending people “back to DSLR” isn’t really the way to keep m43 going is it?
Not true. The 16 MPixel sensor have undergone significant changes. Theend of 2010 Gh2 sensor had 11,5 eV. The 2012 Sony m43 sensor 12,2 eV DR, on top of that bettertonal range and colour sensitivity and somewhat better noise. The 2014 Panasonic GX7 sensor was similar, but the one in the GH4 had 12,8 eV DR. Noisewise not much difference with the Sony m43. But I have one cam with the Sony m43 and one with the Gh4 sensor (guess which one ;-)) The DR difference is noted but also, shooting skies at night (Noctilucent couds for instance) somehow the Gh4 did much better in noise too compared to my EPL5. I am unsure why and the result was really unexpected.
So big changes? I agree that that has not been the case. A standstill is not true either. But when we look at this EM5 MkII cam I can only agree with you.
eV is electron-Volt. EV is exposure value.
Again: “eV is electron-Volt. EV is exposure value.”
Why delete my comment which might teach somebody something useful, without offending anybody?
I would urge you to take back your words ( m4/3 reached the end .. ) & wait for GX7 successor before saying it .
Btw , your G3 is behind my GX1 , not to mention top performer , GX7 make me wonder if you ever shoot with m4/3 latest sensor cameras .
So, if I don’t shoot 4/3 lenses, don’t shoot sport or hardly ever use C-AF, is there anything to be upset about not having PDAF? Are there any other advantages?
I’m more excited about the higher resolution trickery.
In principle, PDAF could be used to accelerate S-AF with native MFT lenses, too, but Olympus hasn’t done so yet, as their CDAF-only S-AF implementation is already quite fast. And other manuacturers which are doing it still have problems in low light. So, no, I don’t think you’d need to be upset.
I really do not use following autofocus. For me low light autofocus is important AND single AF speed. My Sony a6000 is not very good att hitting focus in low light. It seems like fast AF = fast continuous AF.
Same experience as they had with the third generation of the PEN. The old sensor is falling too far behind the competition.
In what way? I highly doubt you can tell the difference between a shot on the E-M5 and “the competition” using the same lens.
Really? It’s not that far off the best of the best of APS-C sensors. It sure would be nice to get an improved sensor in there, but the current generation stands up pretty well. It’s still better than whatever Canon offers.
Incredible! Are they stupid, or just WANT to give all mom and dad market to others?
yes please no more dad or mom with an e-m5
Can the sensor shift high resolution be achieved with a firmware update to the EM1?
I don’t think so. The higher resolution image would have to go through the image processor as well, a much larger RAW file will be result of that process. Unless the E-M1 was engineered for the extra data with that scenario in mind, I don’t think there’s much hope.
I don’t think the 40 mp image will be available as raw. Is only expect it to be jpeg since the merging is done after image acquisition.
If it wasn’t available in RAW, it would only be half the fun. Technically there should be nothing to keep them from making 40 MP RAWs except for processing power. After all the sensor-shift Hasselblad does produce 200 MP RAWs, too. And the Sony A7R already produces 36 MP RAWs by default, without even needing tricks like that.
I have been expecting a new version of current 16MPx E-M5’s sensor > faster data readouts for 4K + maybe 2nd gen of PDAF for even better C-AF. This is a real let down for me.
We will see… the FT4/5 rumours here have been wrong a couple of times… I don’t believe anything any more from this site.
Engage brain, people. Why would someone believe such a rumor in the first place?! It’s not likely that Olympus will attack its own flagship camera unique selling proposition with a successor to its mid range product.
well the e-30 did such thing against a former flagship
As did the E-M10 to the E-M5.
I dont think so,at least no noticeable stuff, just when pixelpeeping i think(or just nothing)
I’m wondering if the sensor shift could be implemented on my EM1… after all it already has 5 axis IBIS so wouldn’t it be something that could be added via firmware?
its prob a combination of stuff in firmware and the needed processor algorythms & power?I dont hope all the combining of the extra data will to be done with external software.
The E-M1 already has a scene mode which merges eight exposures shot in fast succession, but it is used to reduce noise. Merging those shots in a slightly different manner is only a matter of processing. A firmware update could easily bring this new capability to the E-M1, too. Whether Olympus chooses to do so is another question.
sure, processing 40 MP data in body by just giving firmware update. Somehow that recent 4k upgrade rumor makes this sound less convincing
Maybe the E-M5-II will have an improved “burst mode” allowing it to take those 8 shots needed to make a 40MP pic really fast… I don’t know if it can be achieved through software only.
The E-M1 already shoots “really fast”.
Anyway, sensor shift requires tiny movements of the sensor, about two microns in each direction. Maybe the current IBIS system is unable to achieve this accuracy. Another possibility – albeit remote – is that those movements are done during exposure, which might require a different shutter technology (fully electronic) and demosaicing procedure.
Otherwise there is no reason why this cannot be implemented through firmware.
I know that EM-1 has a great burst mode, but is it fast enough to achieve 8 shots and make that “40MP trick” usable in normal circumstances? I mean, if you have to “freeze” the scene for 0.7 or 0.8 seconds, it may not be practicable.
You are right. However, I don’t expect sensor shift to work well with moving subjects on the E-M5II either. Not with a mechanical shutter, anyway. It may be possible in a few years, though.
Oh, and one more thing: nobody needs this kind of resolution. I believe the reason it is going to be introduced is to show off Oly’s ingenuity (and thus relevance in a fast drying market). Not so much to make photographers’ lives easier.
Lets hope it at least has the EM-10 sensors ISO performance, a step up from the old E-M5.
Maybe JPEGs thanks to the image processor, but RAW ISO performance is identical…
Hey guys, it’s only a rumor site. Keep it down please.
It may be a 16MP sensor, nothing says it’s the exact same sony sensor from the EM5.
Btw, a great car is the combination of a good engine, a good chassis, and a good driver… and a good driver can achieve miracles even with a poor car 😉
That may be true, but a crappy driver in a Ferrari gets laid a lot more often.
if only that would work for cameras as well damit
Did you try golden Leicas? 😉
thx for that golden tip!
Nice one 😉
There is no point to sell new camera without any improvements. Nobody cares about sensor shift for studio shots, today 4k and 1080p60 is alredy standard for smartphones(!) – only new processor, codec and higher sensor reading with electronic shutter as well as reasonable price could make this new camera interesting.
hey how do you know there are no improvements lol
“same sensor” means “no improvements”, no one would care about 0,5% less noise with new processor, built-in hdr and sensor-shift – all these features can be achieved already on pc
a body contains more then just a sensor, in case you didnt know that
Body can do nothing to get more from 3 year old sensor
new sensor mostly mostly pnly gets more MP…plus some minor increase in IQ which you only see when pixelpeeping, but somehow we are dumb enough to buy a new camera for that reason.
Old sensor can’t provide faster reading speeds for 4k and higher framerates, electronic shutter… What the point to stop production of e-m5? Just to make new one which will be more expensive, because of “2015 model”?
…..and a lot of photographers would love to have the sensor shift as well. That is definitely interesting news.
Brutal. How many generations of cameras do we have to go through before Olympus gets serious about CAF? Don’t they realize how important this is?
just shoot as me, you wont need it then.
that’s a major party pooper… :/ I hoped for PDAF…
After that EM-1 4K update rumor debacle that was masquerading as truth on this site, I have to take all of these rumors with copious amounts of salt.
It should have been the other way round – out with 40 Mpx and in with PDAF. Who needs 40 Mpx anyway?
we have another member who said the opposite few hours ago haha
These are just rumors…this sensor shift idea…is it new or old…I remember a long time ago i bought a fuji s5000…I think that is the model…it is a 3 megapixel camera…but due to fuji technology it was supposed to deliver a 6 megapixel image…I do not find this a selling point…i can create my 40 megapixel images with any camera…shoot your subject …then above below and to the sides…and in post processing I can blend this all together…to create a 40 megapixel image…I have seen it done…yes it may be quicker in the camera…but if this rumor is true…I think MFT has become stagnant as for the New E-M 5…meet the new boss…same as the old boss…I still have an E-M1 and love it…and as for updates with great new features for your E-M1…Olympus does not go that way…only minor updates…I have never updated my Olympus firmware for E-M1…just never thought the improvements would help much…my camera never had shutter shock…I think the only update they have included that someday i may consider is for tethering
“Olympus does not roll that way… only minor updates…”
I think you are talking about Canon and Nikon.
Canon and Nikon too I agree…but no one does firmware updates like fuji..
No one ‘needs’ to do firmware updates as much as Fuji!
😉
Like when they replaced orb-producing sensors?
If this is true, Olympus is blowing it.
Sorry Admin,
but it’s strange that the source can tell that it is “the same E-M5 sensor”, something we usually only know after someone disassemble the camera.
Seems more logical that the source be able to say 16MP & no PDAF (a kind of information much widely spread) concluding that it is “the same E-M5 sensor” is a further speculation.
Source works in the supply chain.
The source is Olympus and they are trying to see how little do they need to improve the camera to get them to sell well. It’s interesting point this sensor shift feature that it may turn out to be camera braker.. a feature that just brakes down after 2 years of use. Something perfect for the company who needs to sell new stuff on periodic basis. I bet the camera allso has only USB-2 connection etc. .. BS culture.
Bad day? 😉
he prob just broke his camera
Even with DFD, the continuous focus in video on GH4 and LX100 isn’t so great. There is always a little overshoot when pulling focus. Combining the expertise of Olympus and Panasonic seems to be the right thing to do to keep the system ahead of the crowd. I wonder what kind of bunny Canon is going to pull out of the hat early next year. After all, they seem to have the best AF technology for mirrorless, and comprehensive know-how in both photography and videography.
I agree that the GH4 continuous focus in video isn’t great.
We know that when Canon gets serious about mirrorless their dual pixel system will be the trump card for videographers—and photographers. I hope Olympus has made improvements to the autofocus on the next E-M5 iteration.
What Canon camera has the best AF for mirrorless? Have you seen the AF videos of the EOS-M? Even after the firmware update it is frustratingly slow.
If the new camera had revolutionary changes it would be called the E-M6. However it has sensor shift and fast 40 Mpx output it is still valuable. Add also different video rates, new Art Filters, and it will be a good buy for first timers. Would one substitute the E-M5? I do lagging technology, so I’ll just watch the reviews. It will take months to have a consensus 🙂
Then I still hope that Oly sees the light and puts an EVF in an E-P6. That would be a prettier, more pocketable camera.
very predictble comment as expected
And your comment came out of the left field? Everyone knows you two resident baldies don’t see eye to eye on anything other than upskirt “street shooting.”
I never tried upskirts yet. where did you get that pervert idea btw?
Haven’t you seen amalric’s work?
I’m a fan of his work.
have you seen mine?
I remember shapely, exotic legs.
duh, only that one?
lol,I never tried upskirt yet. Where did your pervert idea come from, you sick puppy
Admin must like you alot
Admin loves anything and anyone that increases site traffic.
no comment as it always gets deleted!
@Fulcrum Lever….lol, you are one s i c k p u p p y
If this is fact, that new em5 mk2 wont get PD-AF iam going to Sony and bye bye oly em5 and 10 oly lens
With 10 oly lens, and if PDAF is mandatory for you, why didn’t you go for E-M1?
Because for 1500 eur I would buy FF A7mk2 , e-m1 can not justify itd too high price, Sony have hybrid af in a5100 for 400-500 eur so good job Olympus if you dont put only big upgrade PD-AF !??
You know for sure you won’t be able to use your 10 olympus lenses on the A7mk2 you would buy for 1500€?
After all it’s your choice. Have fun with your 1500€ A7mk2 and your new lens collection 🙂
Hoping it is version II of Sony sensor with better noise handling.
Otherwise I keep producing EM5 since it may still sell well with cheaper price.
Honestly, PDAF isn’t what I would want out of a new sensor. If they’re using the same old Sony from 3 years ago, it hardly merits a new model…
Agree .
Better hold it till new generation sensor is ready .
No point come out a successor with minor improvement that can’t convince people to the upgrade .
a monochrome sensor would give a huge boost, but i dont think many see the world in B&W..anyway too bad its not that simple to just pop out a 16 MP mono sensor….too expensive I guess.
Let me do a quick analysis on the practicality of B&W sensor for m4/3 .
So we need to take a look who are the consumers of m4/3 .
Below are my estimation
1. Advance or Pro standard users 30%
2. Amateurs or beginners 50%
3. Budget consumers 20 %
As B&W photography are something advance & only a Pro / Advance photographers know how to appreciate it so only 30% of m4/3 users are available for the purchase .
Into this 30% , how many of them shoot B&W even they are Pro or Advance people , less than 10 % I guess .
So the verdict , can’t proceed B&W m4/3 sensors due to insufficient buyers .
yeah damit 🙁
Just ask for the proper (higher) price and those people will buy it (me included)
wow – thanks for your psychic insights.
Saying only a pro or advance (whatever that is: http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/advance_1 ) knows how to appreciate B&W is shortsighted. Or did you do some extended market research? ifso please send link.
you don’t know these percentages, the total amount of m43 consumers, the amount of people in the market for a new camera, the cost of another sensor, the cost of making a variation of an existing camera with another sensor, you dont know the margins – How can you know that financially it wouldn’t be feasible?
Seriously – you should assume less.
Well, i cant guess or assume about m4/3 users. But since i teach photography, i can tell about how many of the beginners really do care for B&W or asked about a monochrome camera: 5% of them ask about the best way to do B&W. 0% have curiosity about a monochrome camera. More than once i told to students about leicas monochrome camera. More than 90% showed 0% interest in such camera. And for letting you know, i’ve been teaching photography (my degree is in photography) for about 4 years now, and for about 1000 students till now…once again, i have no idea what are the m4/3 consumers.
I’d be very interested. And I would still be very interested if it was even a monochrome infrared sensor.
BW infrared sensor would be awesome for landscape i guess
I don’t understand the allure of a monochrome sensor. I can see it being fun or useful for VERY limited applications, but for the rest of the world… there is always shooting RAW and using solid plug-ins like Nik Silver Efex.
monochrome sensor gives much more resolution than a similar MP bayer version, much more depth in greyscale and prob better iso performance…this all at least in theory. arguably the flexibility in adjusting BW like from a RGB file is less or different. Since I do shoot mostly in BW preview..a monochrome sensor would be interesting for me. (a 10-12 MP monochrome would already be overkilll for me as it gives 16mp or more in resolution, also because no aa filters are needed)
Well, Leica T uses an old Sony APSC sensor.. Btw, read last fujirumor about the organic sensor.
Make it AF performance close to Panasonic DFD system, add (about) all the features to close the gap to the GH4 (video performance wise) and also include 4K (for a reasonable price) – And no one would whine about the missing PDAF any more ^^. At least not me … =)
Here, here!
N.B. it’s “hear, hear”.
Hear, hear.
share lens algorithm with panny and get predict auto focus
that good good good ,DFD will support olympus lens too.
lol, still won’t be able to safely shoot above ISO 1600. Time to jump to Nikon or Sony…..
you cant shoot safely with nikon or canon in a warzone, not even above iso 1600
So the new features so far are the sensor shift tech, and potentially 4K video. Still good, but to not roll in a new sensor with today’s current tech may be problematic for this camera’s release.
So this means no improvement over old EM5 for focusing with 4/3 lenses?
Go Em1..
Possibly the least exciting camera release ever
In the M43 world, I’d give that to the GF6.
What release? As far as I can tell, nobody here even saw a glimpse of that camera.
I think I’m going to wait for the first reviews.
I’m afraid that the relevant part of “43rumors” is the “rumors” part. Interesting to speculate on things, but not always right. Look at the huge speculation that the v2.0 firmware for the OM-D E-M1 was going to introduce 4k video – didn’t happen. Perhaps Olympus was running some tests for the upcoming E-M5 Mark II, perhaps not. I also find it interesting how people make many definitive comments about possible(!) features on future cameras. The site is interesting to follow and often does have information that later proves to be correct, but it is not perfect, nor does it claim to b.
Exactly.
As I don’t have any of my 43rds lenses anymore, except the two macros this doesn’t break my heart… I hope for some increase in sensor performance as the em1 does beat the em5 in still image quality by a small margin.
However I will still be buying it purely for the resolution boost and my product work. Of and the slew of of and ends normally found on a newer body.
Olympus R&D and marketing behavior in mass photography (DSLR and mirrorless) is deplorable. With ~15 FT and mFT lenses I was starting to think of upgrading to the new camera. Alright, I will now be better off with my three E-PM2s. And, of course, having developed mFT to the end (without the E-M1, which I do not see as such a great achievement) and having partly migrated to Pentax, I will start developing that system.
No one cares what you think about the E-M1.
I’d agree if this “rumor” is true. I just have couple of MFT lenses (including 45/1.8) so switching to Sony is not that hard (waiting to see how A7 II vs a7000 pans out) but still have a few FT lenses including the coveted 12-60/2.8-4 and was hoping PDAF would allow me to stay with Oly – probably not but I’ll not make a decision based on rumors though 🙂
Pentax is also not a very good example regarding R&D and marketing. In fact I think they are much much worst than Olympus!
you earned the nickname Mr PM2Lover allright
The sensor shift won’t get me to upgrade from my current E-M5.
Here are some of my hot buttons:
Electronic shutter
full readout of sensor in video
variable frame rates
better ergonomics (GX7 size grip)
improved UI
1/8000 sec shutter
a more accurate auto focus in low light
built in time-lapse in raw
longer battery life
improved stabilization
swivel EVF
And let me guess. You want an E-M1-like camera, all for under $500.
Well If you want to get into the guessing game, I wouldn’t quit my day job!
FYI:
I own the PL 42.5mm f1.2, PL 25mm f1.4, MZD 75mm f1.8, Lumix 35-100mm f2.8, Lumix 7-14mm f4, Lumix 100-300mm f5.6.
Now why would I seek a low cost body?
You know what they say about assumptions?
What do they say?
we can google that
Why was my comment deleted? Because I said that M43 is not adding nothing new to the table and is still stuck with the same sensor for years with no improvements on iso and DR? Or because I said that it is time to check Sony’s future Nex’s that indeed have been bringing improvements?
Either way, m43’s technology seems to have stopped in time and if it keeps on going this way it will eventually die!
m43 is still lightyears ahead of Sony. Just look at the crappy Sony glass and you know what I mean. If you have more than half a brain that is. Sony is just gimmicky crap (no good lenses, awkward bodies with horrible ergonomics) as usual and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
But yeah, I’d like a better sensor in the new camera. Currently I think the only camera that is a real competition to m43 is the Samsung NX1. When Samsung can deliver a 28mpix bis pdaf sensor that delivers great high iso, m43 should be at least 20-22 mpix with equally great high iso. I really hope they ditch the sony/pana sensors and get one from Samsung.
Samsung is the only competition to M43?!? What about the obvious Fuji???
Objectives no where near same range and not so good body design. Their sensor is good but when you can’t use camera as well as m4/3 cameras it doesn’t compete with it.
I am sure i can use both without complaining, just adapt to each plus & minus points
Fuji has very unergonomic bodies that are nowhere near close to the E-M1 or GH-4, especially when you do serious work and their raws are quite overcooked. Their lens lineup is also only so-so and seriously lacking in exceptional glass while m43 has several exceptional to stellar lenses like the 75mm, 12-40mm, 13-35mm, 35-100mm and the new 40-150mm.
Nice try Fuji, but not there yet…
Yes, I’ve been victim of arbitrary & unjustified deletions here, too. If the admin only wants simple-minded fanboy postings in favor of everything µFT, then all he has to do is to continue like that. Intelligent communication aiming for insight will have to happen elsewhere, then.
Nonetheless, if I look at the images from the E-M1 I just bought a few weeks ago, my impression is not that Olympus will die if they don’t upgrade the sensor soon. The E-M5 and E-M1 sensors are still very competitive; if anyone, then it’s Canon where time would seem to have stopped regarding sensor technology.
That said, of course it would be nice to see some improved sensors on the µFT front, too, some time, and, if possible, with PDAF for my FT lenses, please!
That could just be discus suspecting one of the words you used is inappropriate. In my case one of my most inappropriate words was ‘flange’. Admin fixed that, so this comment should show up without any delay.
Admin, delete this one too!
Perhaps they want to save a new sensor for the E-M1. E-M5 II will get the new sensor shift technology, and the E-M1 will get a new sensor and sensor shift.
Once the E-M5II comes out with the sensor shift 40 megapixel capability, will they upgrade the E-M1 through a firmware upgrade?
No. They’ll wait for you to pay for E-M1 MKII.
Kill E-M1 line as everyone who has 4/3 objectives has already bought it. And if they would release E-M1 successor long after the E-M6 then they kill it and E-M6.
Nonsense. E-M1 is not only about legacy 4/3 compatibility.
The point is not that the current Sony 16MP M4/3 sensor is bad (it’s not), it’s that the sensor performance has been the same for the last 3 years, and the sensor performance is literally the only real disadvantage that M4/3 has compared to any of its competitors.
The lens line-up is basically complete – in fact, better than any crop sensor competitors. The only better / more complete lens line-up is Canon and Nikon full frame.
The ergonomics are very good. EVFs are strongly competitive with best-in-class, bodies have touchscreens, weather-sealing, good manual controls. There’s best-in-class video bodies from Panasonic, and best-in-class IBIS from Olympus.
There’s a lot to love. But if you want slightly better ISO, or dynamic range, or resolution and that’s the only thing you want, you’ll look elsewhere.
Olympus and Panasonic need to try their very hardest to take away that argument. As Sony has shown with their 1″ sensor, and Samsung has shown with their 28MP APS-C sensor in the NX1, it is clearly technically feasible to introduce a new BSI M4/3 sensor that can punch well above its size class and produce performance that is competitive with all but the best APS-C sensors. So why isn’t it happening?
Why is Olympus trying to stumble forward with the same old sensor, pushing “features” that are nice to have, but aren’t going to make people buy a new camera. We already have bodies with some of the best features out there….
M4/3 is as much full frame as is Small Format, but those few multi-ratio m4/3 sensors are not ever full frame as chosen ratio always leaves some part of the sensor unused.
PS. Small format is THE crop format.
I am not sure I follow you. I use conventional terms, and find Olympus choices reliable in the long term. Ttat’s all it matters in the long term.
One way to see it is that Olympus is mainly an Optical company, that is why it buys its sensors elsewhere. Don’t forget that the smaller size of m4/3 was chosen so that the lenses can be optimised for resolution, not only for small size.
Now sensor shift could show the way to obviate the limitations of small sensor, while making use of the full resolution of the Pro lenses. That is why I suspend judgment until I see a full review. Remember that IBIS was also a gap filling technology. To me it’s much better than having FF, it allows me to stay at base ISO most of the time, where resolution is optimal. So the camera must be seen as a whole, and the end result seen as resolution. Price of the whole lens/camera is also an important factor.
Lets just face the facts…..m43 image quality is not that good and never will be in comparison to APSC and FF. Only people like me a real M43 user will buy in to this system because other systems are just to big for my small hands and weak body. We just have to deal with average quality.
Ok let’s go with facts: New 7DmarkII vs E-M1
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Canon-EOS-7D-Mark-II-versus-Olympus-OM-D-E-M1___977_909
http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj524/picrumors/picrumors001/picrumors001197/Bildschirmfoto2014-12-08um202332_zpsdd4aed44.png
Juicy facts! 🙂
Much as I like my m43 I really don’t think they compare in the real world, especially at C-AF which is what the 7DII was made for.
We are talking about image quality only in that thread.
P.S.: Yes 7dII AF is terrific. And so is Olympus 5 axis stabilization. And so on and so on…
lol, if only there were some magic stick that could get 5 axis IBIS, pro DSLR CAF, Nikon DR, FF ISO and mirrorless FPS & EVF into one body… and make it entry level price… now that would sell 😀
Don’t worry , you pick the right horse this time .
Welcome to m4/3 turf club
Low light iso…
1/3 stop isn’t a big advantage in low light ISO
1/3 for ISO but E-M1 has over one stop better exposure range giving a 1 stop better ISO for E-M1, if you want to be idiot on just stare DXO statics that are not comparable by any meter. E-M1 shoots clearly better quality than 7DMk2
E-M1 iso 800 = iso 400 in real life…
According to DXO ISO 800 on E-M1 is 487 and 643 on 7D Mark II. So none of them has “true” ISO 800, and that goes for every camera of every brand.
yes and new E-M5 will be same overpriced-oldsensor sh*t like 7Dmk2
I don’t know about that. I compare files all the time to my A7…meh. I don’t see any major life changing differences. I just don’t see it. Olympus with the 5 axis combined with being able to shoot at wide open (and with exceptional wide open performance) is still pretty amazing. If your a bokeh whore (which I am) then you can grab an A7. I just am convinced I really don’t need this stuff and neither do most photographers- so I keep and use the Olympus EP5 just as much as the full frame stuff.
Wrong .
The image quality of latest m4/3 sensor is exceeding APSC & comparable with FF .
ISO performance is not image quality related but DR is .
Viezevure aka Shenkie is back! How are imaginary wife and kids?
Too many camera models. With overall camera sales dropping and Mirrorless sales flat, does Olympus need three (3) OMD cameras priced so close together ??
Entry level has been replaced by smart phones. Me, I’d buy a CM-1 or iPhone 6+, before I bought any Pen (at any price). YMMV,
Semi-Pro/Prosumer (either E-M10 or E-M5-2, not both). NOT weather proof, 3-axis IBIS and NO Pixel Shift.
Professional weather-poof, 5 axis IBIS and Pixel Shift.
Thats BS Olympus!
16MP is OK, but at least put it on a new more efficient chip!
A bit more Raw DR and better iso, and a 100 real base ISO.
3yrs g’damnit’ Olympus!
Olympus is not making the sensor. They’re not even designing it. They buy a prepared chip and put it in the camera – pretty much as when you buy a piece of meat and cook it.
If the rumor is true, Sony decided not to make better MFT sensor. 3 good reasons for that:
a) they try to support APS-C Alpha sales (not that great lately),
b) the volume Olympus orders is too small to cover development,
c) Sony’s control over Olympus is big enough to block a change of sensor supplier, so Olympus doesn’t really have a choice.
c) is wrong. E-M1, released one year after the agreement with Sony, uses a panasonic sensor
Designed by Olympus with Panasonic to manufacture it.
Good point.
But maybe that’s the deal.
Sony provides sensors for cheaper models, but is reluctant to help with the “pro” camera, which is (at least by price) a rival for the A7.
Or maybe everyone is afraid Sony will collapse one day, so they look for different sources :).
Nikon has already done that. Nikon 1 is totally independent of Sony (although choosing Aptina was a huge mistake) and newer DSLRs are based on sensors from Toshiba (which was a great move).
Also, I find calling the situation an “agreement” (I often see “cooperation”) rather funny. 😀
Olympus was on the verge of default and Sony simply gave them a huge amount of cash as an investment (I think Olympus is already the second most important buyer of Sony’s sensors – first one being Nikon).
As a result Sony has decent level of control over Oly, takes a lot of the income and (most likely) has some access to the know-how. Olympus gets nothing (other than the fact it still exists :D).
Either you got some inside info, or those are just your assumptions/speculations. The camera division is a tiny fraction of Olympus. They are mainly in the medical business. As for public information, Sony denied that the cooperation was on the camera side of their business. And recently, Sony publicly stated that most of their sensor production is for the taking. You got cash, Sony will deliver the goods. They only keep some of the unique ones exclusive for themselves for some time (like the 12mp sensor from A7S).
Do you think that Sony would be better of not selling sensors to Olympus, in the market that sees massive year to year drops in demand for their products (ie. sensors large and small)? Do you think 50% y/y drop in compact camera sales and 30% decline in ILC camera sales does not affect the bottom line of sensor manufacturers? What would be the benefit to Sony, if Olympus would source the sensors from Panasonic or Toshiba? And the E-M1 shows that they are willing to do that.
And I find your comment quite contradicotry as well. You write that Olympus got nothing out of this deal. But according to you, they got huge pile of cash (and superior (at the time) sensor technology). That’s hardly nothing, don’t you think?
I don’t think it is so “tiny”. Olympus imaging makes up almost 15% of the company (in revenue). It’s actually more than in case of Sony (10%) and A LOT more than in Panasonic and (obviously) Samsung.
Even for Canon the camera business is “just” 30%.
We can look at this in a different way. Sony owns 12% of Olympus shares. If we assume they’re only interested in the photography part, it’s like if they owned almost the whole Olympus Imaging. 🙂
And because Olympus makes a lot of money on medical equipment and looses a lot on cameras, they might want to concentrate on the better business. So one day Sony might take over the whole division officially. 🙂
Olympus did not get the sensors out of the “agreement”. They just buy them like everyone else. The same “superior” technology goes to Nikon, Ricoh (Pentax), Canon, Fuji and Leica.
And the possible benefit for Sony (of blocking pro MFT bodies) is obvious. Sony looses money on NEX and SLT cameras. They make a lot of money on selling sensors.
But the rumor is: they are earning on the A7!
So they might be OK with providing technology to amateur cameras, but they won’t give it to a rival for A7 (and in some ways M1 is one). It’s all about the final income.
I know they are not making the sensor but one should expect some new development that will effect IQ to trickle down to new generation camera 3yrs after. And I am not talking about sensor shift trick, which is cool, btw.
point a) is not very logical IMO, because in Sonys mind a sale is a sale.
70% of their motivation to do anything is to sell building blocks for other companies.
b) if true is really concerning, and sad.
c) very regrettable if true.
as for (a):
Sony makes a lot of money on sensors, but of course the profit margin on a camera is much bigger. Surely they’d prefer to sell 1 million cameras instead of 1 million sensors. 🙂
As for the rest:
The shift trick is totally down to Olympus (and I’m not a great fan of this feature, but whatever). This is their way to step out.
Sensor is totally under Sony’s control, who both manufacture and design it.
Maybe Sony can’t improve what they did 3 years ago? Maybe it’s to early to upgrade the production line? Canon uses the same sensos for 5 years. 🙂
Nikon also gets pretty much the same technology since mid 2012 (all FX 24 MPx bodies – from D600 to D750 – use the same sensor)
Nikon started buying sensors from outside of Sony, why can’t Olympus? Aptina anyone? Who makes the new bsi Samsung sensor?
All cameras in NX line use Samsung’s own sensors.
Samsung is the 2nd largest semiconductor manufacturer (1st: Intel). They don’t need to outsource production. 🙂
In a different post I wrote a bit about the Sony-Olympus “cooperation”.
Simply put: Sony’s share in Olympus is similar to Olympus Imaging division contribution to the total revenue. Olympus simply may not have a choice. We’ll never know. 🙂
BTW: Both Toshiba (who make sensors for some Nikon DX cameras) and Renesas (company connected to Nikon by shareholders, makes high-end FF sensors for D4 and Df) are significantly larger than Sony in the semiconductor industry. Thanks to that Nikon has possibly the best secured sensor supply – even though they don’t manufacture sensors by themselves (they only design them). 😉
I guess I can buy E-M5 now – save money for same image quality.
Only if you have a weak body or very small hands.
I don’t that is the case for every e_m5 owner
With a weak and small brain you can buy aps-c or ff.
With a weak body and very small hands it is bettery to buy a Small Format camera as its weight and size will benefit in muscles grown and allow better handling.
Troll radar broken?
So Olympus deal with Sony was that Sony got the Olympus 5 axis image stabilization system for their FF camera and Olympus get to keep using the old Sony sensor. That doesn’t sound like a exact win win situation for Olympus
Sony have said it wasn’t Olympus’ IBIS – which frankly seems silly that it wasn’t given the arrangement.
Does not matter what they say – It must be a license from Olympus as their granted patent is for an imaging module – no mention of sensor size. Patents are written deliberately wide, for just such these sort of reasons.
Oh and the patent is for magnetic, driver and plural axis stabilization…in relation to imaging module. That’s the sort of thing that throws a wide net.
Not at all. Check that info on sonyalpharumors. IBIS of Sony is different from that of Olympus (though the results are obviously similar).
As far as I can say, Sony sells sensors to the majority of Companies. In fact I believe that Sony is more interested in selling its sensor than wasting time and money in developping lenses. And that’s why they leave that to third parties (except for some few lenses released with the first A7 models).
Sony’s IBIS is different from Olympus, but Sony gained a lot of knowledge when they were able to send a team of engineers to Olympus to learn about Olympus’s version.
I don’t see it in these terms. I believe the most difficult thing was to “skip” the patent of Olympus IBIS. I think a bunch of engineers could have taken an em5 to pieces and “took inspiration” of IBIS. After all it’s not something related to strings theory..
The 5-axis is designed-in to Sony by their engineers sure, They have the right to use the 5-axis technology because they made the deal with Olympus. This is how the licensing model works. To say it’s not from Olympus is rubbish – it is, they payed for it and implemented it.
It is hard to get access when Olympus moved IBIS technology to different department so Sony can’t claim anything for it.
But Sony as anyone, can reverse engineer the IBIS.
Sony has come out with more lenses than most companies in the last year.
Is it as different as, for instance, the X7…?
http://www.autonews.com/article/20141125/GLOBAL03/141129903/land-rover-blasts-evoque-look-alike-from-china
Sony didn’t get Olympus IBIS technology, it use its own inferior one, still better than nothing.
1200 dollars or more for a firmware update!
EM5 is 7-800 dollars, NOT 1200, that would be EM1.
And the sensor shift thing is NOT firmware – it’s potentially a big leap in IQ/resolution/detail, and certainly requires it’s amount of research.
While I’m all for a sensor with improved DR and noise performance and what not, and having the same sensor in EM5, EM10, PM2, EP5 and EPL 5,6,7 is getting long in the tooth, I don’t see the rumour as a ripoff.
Me thinks you will see the Em5 at over 1k. Sensor shift is a gimmick all of which can be done in software now.
Anyway, here’s to hoping the source is right on it being same sensor as E-M5 in regards to resolution, and NOT correct in the underlying tech of the sensor being exactly the same 3yrs old!
I suspect some details were lost in translation, unknown, or undisclosed by the source.
They probably keep it short in these leaks so Admin has to fill in the gaps as he best knows with other sources, available information or intuition while presenting the rumor and ranking it.
still no FF sensor?
Really…? With what lenses. If you want a big camera don’t buy an Olympus.
E-PM2 = small, but E-M1? NOT
FF Olympus = Sony 🙂
You try & use the new Pro 40-150 lens on the E-PM2 & let’s see how long it would take for you to come to the conclusion you’re actually better off with the E-M1 to handle it. And don’t come back with any bull that the lens should be smaller!
if I wanna big body – FF
if I wanna pocket size? m4/3
I sold E-M1 – not only because of broken “profi” 12-40mm. And I bought A7R + 70-300mm. I still have pocket sized E-PM2 with exactly same IQ as E-M1 (even better ibage quality – ISO for long exposures – shooting stars etc). Why put small sansor to big not really cheap body? nonsence.
Why put a small brain in such a big (but cheap) body of yours? 🙂
LOL troll 😀
Hope this is wrong.
Not good for Olympus.
Not good for EM-5 owners.
Olympus won’t sell many units without a good reason for EM-5 owners to trade up.
EM-5 owners waiting for an upgrade (with same form factor) have to continue waiting…
current olympus flagship vs outdated entry-level aps-c nikons
all that effort you made……..
A few clicks from a drag-down menu on a website then taking a screenshot? Too difficult for an m43 user?
i meant the obsession to do that kind of thing..never mind, you prob dont understand, greenhorn.
Sniff….sob…sniff…sniff…
I would bet your source is wrong. Olympus would be stupid not to use the E-M1 sensor. Of course they are stupid not to put in an entirely new sensor, and instead continue to use iterations of their 16 mp sensor. I have been shooting the E-M5 for almost 3 years, and it would be nice to get a serious upgrade. They rode their 12mp sensor to death and note they are going to to the same with the 16mp. I would have shot Canon if I wanted stagnant.
Hmmmm lets see…coming cameras. Sony fullframe 48 mpix vs olympus 16 mpix 4/3 sensor. Waha ha ha ha ha! Good luck with that one olympus!
No PDAF? Not interested.
Sums it up for me too. *sigh* olympus, I want a reason to not sell everything and not go sony. If you’re determined to not go “all out” to keep me, then so be it.
Idiots, just get E-M1 if you want PDAF.
The PDAF isn’t faster than CDAF, it isn’t even needed for fast and accurate C-AF.
If you have 4/3 lenses then go and get E-M1!
At least the price for the E-M1 has come down & you can get that with PDAF!
OM-D E-M5 II and OM-D E-M10 II =====> Coming soon..!
Was excited for a second… but no, thanks.
Now that E-M5II looks MEH, how long would we have to wait for a decent sensor upgrade?
I have been using E-M5 since launch and been very happy with it. Invested $4000 in lenses. Now have been waiting for a decent sensor upgrade for a while (no E-M1 image quality was not such an upgrade). Looks like there is no real upgrade coming up in next couple of years.
Sony A7II starts to look good and the upcoming A9 might be even more interesting.
I really want a higher ISO sensitivity and better dynamic range. The sensor shift tech is certainly good to have, but not quite enough for me to upgrade.