In early Spring 2016 Panasonic will announce the new GM7. All I know about that camera yet is that it will record 4K too making it the smallest 4K capable system camera yet.
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What a surprise! Not.
no surprise,it use shared sensor from gx8.
but new 4k features will bundle @post-focus and hope in-camera focus stacking complete for lumix.
Hope it has a better VF than GM5 and a, at least, tiltable, & better sized screen..
Add a better grip and Next thing you know the camera is as big as the GX7. Which is not what the GM is about.
Unfortunately, it will likely have to be increased in size, as the GX8 was.
I find the GX8 to be just right for video, but the GM series will need magic to not overheat with 4K video.
I’d go for a bigger EVF. But want it to stay the same size so would be fine if the screen got smaller even. 4K is fun. but I hope they don’t suddenly put a video style 16:9 ratio EVF on it.
Actually the perfect tiny size/usability for me is the GM5 with Panasonic Grip attached.
If the GM7 is to have a better sized screen than existing 16;9 on GM5 and bigger better VF then it most likely will be new body much like LX100 only with interchangeable lens and new 20 MP sensor. The LX100 body already OK for 4K and placing 4K in GM5 would result in reduced capability in comparison ie only 30 fps and short bursts.
They could recycle the GX7 EVF.
It’s between the GM5 and GX8 sizewise and quite good.
If it has approximately the size and features of the GM5 plus 4k, it’s a “Shut up and take my money” case for me.
I like to replace my GF1 with a new smaller “always with me” cam and it has to be able to act as B-Cam for video projects. Right now, I am using a GH3 which means the GM5 would be OK but I’m almost sure to update as soon as the GH5 is available. The GM7 should be able to act as B-Cam for a couple of years longer and it would help to learn a little bit about 4k processing until I switch completely.
Surprise, surprise. 4K in GM7 🙂
Fine that they can manage heating in such a small camera.
But we wish to get more.
– Silent elektronik Shutter with stacking and hi-res multishot
– Tiltable LCD
– Better viewfinder
I have not much hope for 20MP. But on the other hand, Panasonic ist not Olympus. They need to sell their new sensor. Competitor level ist E-PL7 or E-M10 II.
Although my current level of disinterest in video leads me in the direction of the GoPro Hero 4, I will have to stop and think for one minute about a GM7 interpretation of 4K. Might help first, if I choose a 4K television, at least then, I would have a means to view my 16 megapixel stills on an 8 megapixel display.
Let’s hope they finally learned to do full sensor readout for video.
It depends on how the 4k implemented before I’d be interested. Panasonic will bring 4k to all its new cameras since 4k photography is its one major differentiation. But if the new GM7 has short time limits (could be even less than LX100’s 15min), or using severe center cropping on the new higher mp sensor as used in GX8, then not very interesting.
Olympus rumored new PEN surely will have IBIS. Wonder what GM7 will bring in that regard.
Olympus’ last PEN had IBIS, why shouldn’t the new one. Now will it have 4k video as well.
The IBIS used in the PENs was far inferior to that used in the EM1 or
EM5s and not good at all at commonly used speeds of 1/100 sec. With the very low noise and good ISO performance of Panys latest 20 MP sensor better to simply use a faster speed and ISO to stop motion.
PEN E-P5 has the same IBIS mechanism as the E-M1.
This is one reason I think the new GM7 will use the body of the LX100 only with inter changeable lens mount will not need to crop the 20 MP sensor at all. If the GM7 is to be same size as GM5 then likely to add 4k there would have to be limitations of the short time limits and speeds as evident when used in the Sony 1″ RX100 II camera but still no real problem for most imprompto home use or for use with still photography as able to extract images from the video. As long as Pany has good IS in their zoom lenses I see no problem of leaving out IBIS to keep camera small and with new sensor capable of operating using higher speeds and ISO to capture any movement which IBIS does not cure.
LX100 4k time limit is due to overheating in a small body (along w a bunch of other cams including Sony’s A7**). W the 20mp sensor, the problem will be worse. Will see how Panasonic engineers solve this for GM7 (if they study Apple’s products, maybe they’d borrow a page there)
You mean any 2015 top end smart phone(some 2014)? Apple was literally the last phone company to implement 4K in a phone.
I hope it is as small as GM1
This camera doesn’t need 4K. It needs the 20mp sensor with no filter.
Panasonic, can you make at Least “ONE” camera without a filter on the sensor, and make it a Stills-Only camera?
I have a G6 for video, I have to look towards Fujifilm for stills, because Panasonic wants Every. Single. Camera able to shoot video. STOP.
This is why I wouldn’t go near a GX8… it has a flip out screen, instead of a more discreet tilt screen, it has a filter over the sensor, and it shoots 4K, yet is shaped like a rangefinder. I don’t recall rangefinders to shoot video.
Whoever is talking to Panasonic is sending them on the wrong direction. Not EVERY camera need excellent video quality. Some people just shoot stills.
Olympus for you then?
NEVER. I made the jump to Fujifilm already.
Thanks for trolling, have a nice day.
I still own a L-1, GF2, GX1 and a G6.
You have the right name for your comments…
Fuji sucks…
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I find it hard to understand your preference of using a more limited tilt screen versus the very functional swivel screen used by all camcorders? Recent PP test of GX8 showed very high resolution of 2660 to 2550 lines resolution at ISO 100-800 and extremely low noise at ISO 1600 and low noise to ISO 6400 so why be concerned about the filter over sensor potential losses? These results equal the very best out of APSC 24 MP cameras. No reason to have separate cameras for shooting video or stills in my opinion as just too much to carry around.
Equal to what 24mp APS-C camera? Because it still can’t beat out the aged 16mp APS-C sensor from Fujifilm!
From Cameralabs: “The GX8 takes the lead with video, boasting a wealth of control and 4k capture (not to mention in-camera photo grabbing from 4k footage). The OMD EM5 II takes the lead with built-in stabilisation that delivers around five stops of compensation in practice. The Fujifilm XT1 takes the lead with image quality thanks to a slightly larger sensor with a modest resolution, unique filter pattern and great processing.”
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Panasonic_Lumix_GX8/verdict.shtml
Stop with the lies… The new 20mp sensor barely beats out the older 16mp M43 sensor!
And have you ever tried shooting street photography with a flip out screen, compared to a tilt screen? It’s like I said, Panasonic is listening to the wrong people. There should be a difference in their camera selection, like it used to be. Now every camera is more or less the same, just in different shapes….
In my experience, the differences between the image quality of the GX8, GH4, and E-M1 are minimal. For me, the GX8 has worked fine as a substitute for the E-M1, but Olympus’ face detection is superior.
However, for video, the E-M1 is not very good.
The information regarding IQ and low noise from the new 20 MP sensor and processing came from tests in Dec 2015 issue of Popular Photography and comparisons with other APS-C cameras with 24 MP sensor. Other statements like those from cameralabs sometimes make generalized statements as you quoted without quoting specific figures to back it up.
As concerning use of swivel screen for street photography there is nothing to stop you from leaving the screen on the camera facing out. Another big advantage of the swivel screen is it can be reversed to protect the screen from damage when traveling or in transit.
As to the perception of modest IQ gain many tests say you have to jump all the way to almost 50MP FF sensors to really see very significant improvements rather than incremental. To me the key is the GX8 tests show significantly very low noise which is much better than previous Pany 43 models and that enables better low light photography as can use higher speeds and iso.
Thanks for this information
“Stop with the lies… The new 20mp sensor barely beats out the older 16mp M43 sensor!”
Can you math at all??
The resolution difference between 16MP and 20MP is miniscule at ~11%. ( 1.0 – sqrt(20.0)/sqrt(16.0) )
I also prefer a tilt screen over swivel design, the reason being that with the tilt screen I can shoot from my hip, looking down to my camera, and nobody notice I am taking a picture. They think I am just fiddling with the controls of the camera. With a swivel design, the screen is off the camera, taking more space, and revealing I am actually recording or taking pictures. For 99% of users and uses a swivel screen surely is better, but sometimes less is more 🙂
I’m sure a swivel screen is useful for a camcorder but I’m not using my camera as a camcorder. I use it for stills. Swivel screen on the E-M5 II was a deal breaker for me. Now I’m hoping the E-M1 II will keep the tilt only although I think it will also get the stupid swivel.
I don’t mind good video but I certainly don’t need the best for my occasional video clips. My E-M5 is more than good enough for me. I hope Olympus wont make any compromises on E-M1 II just to get better video stuff. If you want the ultimate video, get a Panasonic. Or better yet, a camcorder. That’s what they’re for.
4K in GM is another value added in the competition .
Whether it being used or not , it’s another matter .
It’s nice to have 4k in such small compact stuff for contingency .
Panasonic has hitched its wagon to video, otherwise the OMD’s are much better cameras with 5-axis and better colors.
Look to Fuji if you don’t want video. Panasonic will never do a camera without video.
Dpreview chose Gh4 over any Oly cam in their roundup. Because it is an excellent stills cam too. Its handling is great, its IQ is great, its AF system is great, its ergonomics are great and its batterylife is fantastic. The filter has a minute effect on the still IQ.
We still don’t have much of a clue about this camera.
Makes sense that they would do this, but I’m curious how they’re going to handle it in such a small body. There’s a few possibilities I see — a) They have really short time limits if you’re doing 4K; b) they’re not doing true 4K (really, really unlikely); c) they’ve moved up in terms of manufacturing process and so on such that there is comparatively less heat generated; d) they’ll limit you to some much less processing-intensive codec; e) they’ve adopted a stacked sensor architecture (not likely for this camera, maybe for a hypothetical GH5, though)
b), I think we can rule out. Only Nikon pulls crap like that, and Panasonic depends on its 4K and video quality in general as their standout added value for their brand. c) is possible, but unlikely. While a new chip manufacturing node for the processor would lower their costs in the long run and power consumption in any given device, it’s expensive at the time of introduction, so it’d be hard to sell it in a value-oriented device like the GM series. e), I’d rule out for the same reason. Makes more sense to introduce such a thing at the flagship level first and trickle it down to the future G8 and then GM9 or something. d) is a possibility… it would both help manage power/heat a little bit while also giving you just that tiny sacrifice in quality that cements that this is not a higher end device. While less processor intensive doesn’t mean lower quality (for instance, an All-I codec is technically less processor-intensive than just about anything because it’s so simple by nature, though it still uses up more power because of having to move larger amounts of data), it’s very likely that you will be codec and framerate limited on the GM7. Maybe they will only do 24/25 fps and not 30?
a) is all but a certainty even barring everything else. Case in point — look at the RX100 IV… stacked BSI sensor, full sensor readout… compact body, and it will only do 4K for 5 minutes. Even aside from somehow introducing some miracle savings on heat and so on, a small body like that also means a tiny battery and you can’t last very long on that.
cool down
Panasonic has always been better than Sony at handling the heat. I’m sure they’ll come up with something. Another option is also to make the camera bigger.
4K for GM is expected , put the new 20MP inside it ,
I’m pretty sure the GM will continue with it’s legacy .
GX5 was, what, $900 at launch barely14 months ago? Selling now for close to $450, half price.
Panasonic will probably ask $1100 for this at launch, because 4k.
Sorry, meant GM5 at launch.
FT5 – Every Panasonic camera will have 4k going forward. This is really no surprise.
Even the FZ300 has 4K!! 😀
In case they use the full-sensor readout algorithm used in Sony’s RX100mkIV instead of the crappy 4k algo of the GX8, and the sensor provides one stop above the 1″ sony sensor, I am sold. Otherwise I see little advantage against the RX100 mkIV…
The sensor provides, maybe 1-1/2 stop ISO advantage. Hard to say exactly. 3200 ISO on μ4/3 better than 1600 ISO on OneInch. Glass can wreck the math, though. The f1.8–2.8 lens on the RX100(iii or iv) is 2 stops better than any μ4/3 zoom at f3.5-5.6. The moral of the story is your μ4/3 system does not necessarily beat OneInch unless it matches or betters on glass. Holds true for video too.
DXOmark says there is very little/close to nothing difference between the m43 and the new sony 1″ sensor: http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-A7R-II-versus-Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-GX8-versus-Sony-Cyber-shot-DSC-RX100-IV___1035_1041_1033 less than 1/2 stop.
Glass has no influence on DXOmark. Of course in real life, a weak glass is a disadvantage, to match the RX100mkIV performance, one should use the 2.8/12-40 or 2.8/12-35 lenses. To surpass it, one has to get f1.4-1.8 primes…
In theory the “deeper well” of the m43 should grant 1 stop above 1″, hopefully a new iteration of the m43 sensor will bring that soon.
Hey, I shot a documentary on a GM1 and it looked great. This’ll be a wonderful tool for filmmakers that want to be as unassuming as possible. The small form factor is wonderful.