Image on top shows the current E-m5
The E-M5II coming the first week of February has that amazing sensor shift feature to create 40Megapixel images on the fly. But for the rest there aren’t many major improvements. The sensor is exactly the same of the one used by the current E-m5 and I also have been told the camera has much improved video recording but doesn’t record 4K.
Small tidbits: The design of the E-M5II has changed a bit over the E-m5. Hope to get details soon.
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and whats the bad news?
sounds like a good backup body for my em1! no need for 4k for me.
4K gives two massive improvements (even if you don’t produce 4K output):
4:4:4 color sampling (for FullHD) and extra stabilization flexibility in post. Oh wait, forget that last one, it’s an Olympus, you don’t need that.
Still…
well yes. that might be true but since i’m not at all into making movies i’m not missing anything of that.
nevertheless, i wouldn’t be mad if the em5 (or 1) mark 2 had 4k… 😉
DOA
E-M5 II ” The design of the E-M5II has changed a bit over the E-m5″, does this mean the original grip will no longer fit, if so, BAD BAD move Olympus.
Maybe you’re just jumping to conclusions!
If you read the article you will notice I quoted admins words regarding design. Though it is my opinion that it would be a bad move if there is no compatibility with existing grip.
if so, another HLD version maybe?, or it can use the E-M1 module? A new E-M5 without option for a BG would look crippled for some people
But why come out with another HLD grip when the current one works perfectly, just senseless expense if you need one.
yes they must not change the body at that point , you right.
Maybe they’ll take a few cues from the EM1 and actually improve the ergonomics so an extra grip won’t be needed.
And they’ll provide a hacksaw for those that want their camera smaller. 😉
Some people are fine with the grip; for me its a perfect size. For those who want a more robust grip for bigger hands with continuous use, there is
A. EM-1 with its grip
B. EM-5 with its modular grip.
C. GH4
If they start having a EM-1 style grip on the newer EM-5s, I’m no longer interested.
Same for me, E-M1 is for core business and E-M5 is the backup, preferrably without grip but with the smaller lenses.
E-M1, in my case, mostly carries the 40-150mm F2.8 now!
For me more important than 4k is a built-in grip as the EM1 and a built-in flash as the EM10?
increase the resolution is also very important; 20mpx like sony rx100 or FZ1000 is the right value now for the m43 system
ADMIN, thank you for not deleting my posts. I am not more negative than you, you know 🙂
No 4K is fine by be, it’s a luxury feature and I’d rather Olympus worked on doing 1080p amazingly so they have a killer hybrid.
If they deliver the rumoured “much improved video” @ 1080p with and solid video controls then Olympus will have a new customer in me come February.
The EM5 uses the GH3 sensor right? It’s a great sensor, lovely colours. If they can improve the ISO processing to get close to the GH4 noise levels in photos/video then they will be on to a winner.
You can do it, Olympus! Make us video guys finally buy into your system!
Without a proper bitrates 4K is rather an useless gimmick than a luxury feature. A BMPCC 2k gives you so much better video quality than any “prosumer” DSLR/ILC with 4k in the near future can provide.
But E-M5 has video codec from 3y.o. smartphones… BMPCC is just another unreachable level for Olympus. Is it so hard to make 1080p output with HDMI in E-M1 or E-M5II? Same sensor with the same shitty codec is epic fail.
A luxury feature sounds nice! Too bad it won’t have it.
sensor in EM-5 is from SONY, not GH3 one which is inferior and is made by Panasonic
get your fact straight…
3 years ago it was amazing sensor after the craps m43 world has been producing (finally step above those 12Mpixels) but NOW?
Same sensor? Who would want it?
EM1 was big failure and now this… no camera on horizont to buy for me so need to sell system. A7 II is smaller than EM1 anyway so million features to gain, few to loose (weight)
A7II system is much larger system than m43. Mind you, I rent the formats I need when m43 could fall short. So I tried the Sony, allthough the camera isn’t bigger (but also not smaller) than E-M1, The system IS definately much bigger!
Well this 4K nonsense starts to get boring. Personally I don’t mind the absence of 4K and old sensor is fine as long as they give me decent 1080 with 25p.
“Small” negative?
First it was no PDAF now it’s no 4K, tomorrow we’ll find out how dismall the video codec/bitrates/subsampling/framerates will be. Wanna bet there will still be no 24/25fps?
Olympus is sending out it’s usual product message:
“We provide you with shitty video, and we’re proud of it!” – now in an improved codec.
Perhaps I’ll finally take that GX7 after all…
As I said before, the rumour didn’t make sense in the first place. Why introduce high-end video features in a mid-range model? It would make the EM-1 obsolete.
Luckily, we have the Sony A7-series now with 4K (in the A7s), 5-axis IBIS (in the A7II) and 25/50i in all models. Who needs Olympus?
4K is not really “in” the A7S 😉
People who don’t want to carry those bigass FF-lenses…
Luckily we have Panasonic now with 4K internal on GH4, IBIS in GX7 and best video on all models. But I want to buy ONE camera not a dozen….
GX8 you’re up!
hey that ibis in GX7 is not comparable with the Olympus one.
Ok, point taken 😉 But is the Sony one comparable? It has the same axis count but is it as good? Not quite from what I read.
yeah it still has to prove itself but at least it can stabilise in video mode with any lens. this is the weak point in the gx7
The E-M5 was $1300 when introduced. I would not really consider that as midrange.
The GX7 does not have 4k but great video. If Pana would release it now. It would definitively have 4k and still would not be as expensive as E-M5.
Well now the EM-5 MkII seems to become obsolete before it even the entered the market. At least from the rumours….But that is what I think of the EM10 too…I fail to see how it is more desirable than EM5 (and the price difference i snot very big to my mind…
I have to admit that A7II sounds very tempting
It still lacked of that remarkable tracking focusing as demonstrated in A6000 .
If want to go the best , why not wait for A9 .
Today I received offer from Sony with promotion price for a7m2 but I still prefer to wait & see .
no i dont need advanced focus, i just said the Sony looks tempting, You know i dont need the best (coughing)
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(FT4) No, the E-M5II also doesn’t record 4K.”
Why am I not surprised?!?!!!!
Crippling cameras seems to be a sport for these crazy bastards. I’m out.
Goodbye. Don’t slam the door on the way out.
BTW, try Canon. They are expert at crippling their models, much more than what you may consider Olympus has..
The two companies are following a similar path to irrelevance. A quick look at the innovation that Sony, Panasonic and Samsung are applying to the market is instructive. Nikon isn’t keeping up, and Canon’s a lost cause. Olympus chooses to re-release a 3-year old model with a novelty feature no one asked for. Meanwhile Sony has thrown almost everything it has at the A7 line, including 5-axis IBIS, without a care for market segmentation. The a7000 should be a stunner. If this is how Olympus competes – with arrogant complacency – well, goodbye it is. I was burned with the E-series. I’ve been looking for an excuse to rekindle my Olympus love affair. But I won’t spend good money on 2012 tech in a camera crippled by a soon-to-be redundant marketing department.
And when is the next Sony mount coming?
It’s funny how Sony is taken as the best Company.
Sony makes sensors, period.
Forget the 35mm, the 55mm f1.8, the slow zoom: Sony used these few lenses to give something to new A7 customers, but the truth is that lenses are something related to third parts Company as Zeiss.
This year we had A7, followed by A7R and A7S.
Now we already have A7II. Guess what we’ll have in 2015? It’s not that hard: two more A7, if the trend goes on.
And then we’ll have (maybe) the rumored MF rangefinder 40MP camera, andtha sensor is (rumor again) going into a Mamiya version (take it with a grain of salt, it was a rumor).
What kind of sensor is inside the Pentax 645z? Yup, Sony.
What’s inside Leica X and Leica T cameras? Sony again.
This just to say that almost every Company has to buy (and wait) for Sony sensors.
And that an A7r owner could feel angry because of the A7s, or because in few months there will be a couple more of A7 cameras and the value of his gear is falling down. We’re on the same boat. 😉
You, my man… are…
RIGHT!
Sony is a beta company. Most of their product are showcase models for their R&D departments that, thanks to their marketing department, happen to have large enough beta testing user base willing to pay and play just to say It’s a Sony to their friends and to own the latest tech every year, willing to let go product consistency and product concept longevity.
You my man are ….. wrong.
All the innovation in mirrorless up to date has for 95% been in m43’s arena, with Olympus taking the lead on photographic innovations and Panasonic the video area. IBIS is an Olympus thing just copied by Sony like many other solutions as the “dust buster” – SSWF.
But probably it’s convenient to forget.
A7 series happens to now combine many features for a 35mm sensor, and many gearheads just see that. But the system isn’t extensive enough it has poor AF speed compared to GH4 AND E-M1/5/10it relies on 3rd party lenses and the size is still massive!
Apart for the sensitivity of it’s sensor (A7s) the system doesn’t add any extra shooting possibilities. If you want high resolution and sensitivity there’s the Pentax 645z!!! If you want very fast followe focus than still you are condemned to 1Dx and D4 cameras.
This is just… normality.
Until now MILC didn’t really offer much choice. There was usually only a one model for a segment, so it had everything a company could offer.
And so MILC fans started to use an argument, that this is the future. That Olympus puts everything in a camera, while Nikon and Canon cripple lower models and so on. But the simple fact is: these companies have around 5-6 product lines when Olympus only had the M5.
Now Oly has 3 bodies with EVF. They are already updating, so this is possibly the final lineup. Obviously, these cameras will have to differ. They use the same lenses, pretty much the same sensor and are of similar size. So it will all come down to features.
On the other hand, is this really bad? Would you prefer an M5 which has 4K, but uses a 1″ sensor? Or has 12 MPx?
Is 4K really that important? 😮
At issue is the re-release of 3-year-old tech, which itself was a catch-up for Olympus, when many have held off upgrades waiting for a step-change. Well, no more. My requirements are IBIS and high quality video – not 4k, but then it is the best guarantee of top notch 1080p. I have little doubt that the video spec in this model will again be underwhelming. I waited through the em1 firmware debacle earlier in the year, now I have waited for this non-event. Sony and Panasonic will provide.
MFT is a relatively new system. When it starter, mirrorless bodies where years behind DSLRs in almost everything, so there was a potential for quick development.
But MFT has grown up. GH4 and M1 are proper cameras. New f/2.8 PRO line members are proper lenses. MFT quickly got close to DSLRs (which have been around much longer) and from now on they will only evolve.
People who like dynamic upgrades will not be happy. They used to point out that many new DSLR models don’t offer serious improvements, but that’s how it works. If you make a refined camera in the first place, you won’t be able to significantly improve it in 2 or 3 years. If it was possible, it would mean the first camera wasn’t that good after all.
When you look at DSLRs, you’ll see many available cameras from 2010 or even older. Nikon D7000 is still manufactured and many people buy it. It was a fantastic camera 4 years ago and is still pretty solid today. It’s priced similarly to D5300, so you can choose between new features (WiFi, tilted screen) and proper, timeless quality (sealed body, ergonomics, large viewfinder).
I think you made the wrong choice if you wanted cutting edge video. Personally I regard video with the same enthusiasm as train spotting and barbed wire collecting (there really is a hobby for this with a magazine) and have never used the video function on any camera, ever.
Panasonic or Sony would be better choices, especially if you’ve already got some lenses.
Hey, will that 40Mpx mode and IBIS work simultenously?
hey thats a good question, but during video it prob does work the same anyway
I’m not surprise with “No 4K” news
Next will be exact 16 MP sensor as previous EM5 ( FT5 ) & so on ..
This EM5 successor after 2.5 years of wait is a joke .
Banking on GX7 successor or X Pro 2 is much promising than this one .
you are waiting for a next gx anyway ?
Provided it really have significant improvement impact on image quality otherwise no upgrade .
$$$$ is hard for me this round .
But Pana always know how to read GX holders mind , they definitely get my money .
if a 28mp would show up, RAM would be in need!
Unlikely but is possible .
No one know what MP , the Organic tech will bring in .
if organic shows up, surely lots of more MP 🙁
Is there something you are severely lacking in the current lineup?
At the moment , No
another year=other needs? lol
can’t shoot over iso1600, i’d say yes
I regularly get publishable images at 3200 on the E-M1, though not so much on the E-M5.
So, you know the full specs? You seems to know a lot more than everyone else, care to share?
Coz you know, as of today, we know exactly nothing of the camera specs.
You know, maybe they were hoping for that new organic sensor you’re desperatly waiting for, but since Pana-Fuji seems unable to deliver, they decided to go with an evolution of current EM5 and keep the revolutionary features for the EM-2, the one they’ll release just before the GX8 😉
Just teasing you of course… 😉
Remember guys, this is 43rumors. Anything can happen, and nothing is the way it seems.
It sounds like a Jedi quote… ;-P
you need to realize – if camera is to be announced begining of february, that means
1. end of Januray is packed and presentation are getting ready
2. middle of January it went out from production line factories
3. begining of January its firmware was flashed so no further changes has been made
4. end of December the blueprint are already in factories which are full in steam producing it
5. middle of December – everyone is on holiday, expect management back after Ski in switzerland to arrive… exactly on…. February presentation 😀
In other words, this camera is finished already with no changes possible at this stage (or minimal)…sensor, design, everything is finished. Firmware might change, but &*%^ on 4K but SAME SENSOR?
no… don’t want unusable ISO 3200 again (which is 6400 on my EM-5 display in reality) as I will get uber clean ISO 3200 on a7 II
For the super clean files you need the A7s NOT the A7II. The latter is just a reiteration of the the standard A7, with a few body adaptations + ibis.
This is bad news. Good thing the GX8 will probably come out around the same time. I don’t need 4k, but it will be hard to turn down if available in a competing model, especially for extracting stills from video. I want to buy an olympus, but I’ll likely be sticking with Panasonic. That said, if video options are much improved and they give us something like very high frame rates, I’d definitely choose the styling, sensor stabilization, and weatherproofing offered by the OMD. I don’t have an OMD, so this was the model I was going to get.
Fail. Bring on the GX8. Bye bye Olympus (but I’m keeping my E-PM2).
wise decision…the E-PM2 is a great little camera
another DxO devotee prob?
hmm does this mean that the em1 is going to get a 40mp update?
That could be interesting. 🙂 but probably wishful thinking.
If this is true I can not believe how stupid Olympus acts here…
They just need to do it right once. Give us the best available video features in a small package with IBIS and the camera would sell like hot cakes…
The technology is there. So why not deliver??
If there is no new sensor available for better stills I would also wait with the release until there is. Otherwise nobody with a current E-M5 would upgrade.
There is no problem if this would be significantly better than E-M1 because that gets updated next. And in the meantime people would wait to buy the E-M1 anyway or buy the E-M5 II instead. But now they might end up buying Sony or something else. If Olympus is lucky they just switch to Panasonic instead, so they can still possibly buy their lenses.
I see a pattern here. First hype, hype, hype from the sources, then back pedal, back pedal and back pedal again. We have seen this with almost all Olympus rumors. This can only hurt Olympus reputation, so one can wonder what kind of agenda the sources have. Do they work for the competition?
its true the much hyped gossips do a bad thing about the opinions for Olympus..but its also caused by us, because we love to speculate alot
Hype, hype, hype? Like 2 or 3 rumors here, and that’s it.
Just wait and see the specs when something is announced, then you know and aren’t disappointed.
I’m not disappointed at all I had an EM-5 that I gave to my wife when I bough an EM-1, so I’m hppy with what I have. The only thing want now is the 300/4.0
I’m really looking forward to the 300/4, just hope it’s not priced extortionately.
The price will be much higher than the 40-150mm I suppose, but it will be worth every euro cent if the quality is like that one or better.
I think it’s going to be a lot cheaper than the 40-150. Maybe half as much. If it were faster than f4, sure, but I think even a pro-level 300/4 won’t be terribly expensive.
It’s weird to see an FT4 (only) rated post with such an affirmative tone 🙂
So it seems that EM5II would be an evolution (hence the name probably) and not a revolution. But even with EM1 and EM10’s TruePic CPU version, it can only be better than the current EM5 and maybe bring some interessting stuff (improved HD video, this 40Mpx trick, etc.).
After all, if Olympus doesn’t raise up the price too much compared to EM5 (not talking about those discount offers), and keeps accessory compatibility (ie: HLD6), it’ll find nicely it’s place in OMD family…
And we’ll have to wait 1 more year for the true revolution with EM-2… It’s not that long 🙂
people want revolutions so quickly recently….are we having such a bad life?
+1 here Ulli!
“No, the E-M5II also doesn’t record 4K.”
Double “No” means ??? 🙂
What about 40MP Sensorshift? That will need an electronic shutter, doesn’t it?
No, the comma divides the two negations 😉
Let’s be realistic: OSPDAF and 4k video in E-M5 II would render E-M1 almost useless only 1 year after its release! Keep in mind Olympus is not Sony. Olympus is a serious camera maker!
Then they would have a lot more people upgrading to the EM5II and would sell more cameras. That would be bad.
Em1 is much more comfortable to use when haing a heavy lens (FT glass for example) attached.
Wasn’t the Em5II rumored to have a form factor similar to that of Em5?
(I would never use it with the 40-150mm..)
The only thing we know about the new physical design it’s that it is different than the current one. The external grip seems to add the bulk when you need it.
I understand the point that if too much is put into the EM5 ii, then that may take away sales of EM1.
That being true, let’s also remember what the great Steve Jobs said (and others): if you don’t make your own products obsolete, someone else will. You cannot worry about canabilizing your own sales, you just have to put the best product out there at the time. If not someone else will take those sales.
So let’s take 4k for example. If this EM5 ii doesn’t have it, then some customers will go to Panasonic, not the EM 1.
Oly just needs to put it all out there, and give us the best possible product, and forget about protecting your other cameras in the line up. Overall, that’s best for business.
Also, there are benefits to releasing new features on midrange models. New features will inevitably have something that needs to be ironed out, through the use experience of many people in many different circumstances. By allowing the EM-5 to try out new features, it can be refined more for the pro-oriented flagship.
The main audience who will lament EM-5 getting the newest features that need field use refinement are gearheads who regard cameras as spec machines to talk about on forums. Photo pros and actual enthusiasts (not online discussion pros or enthusiasts) actually taking the photos will get a more refined implementation, which I’d imagine a pro would tend to appreciate more-dependability of the new function.
I was hoping for PDAF – according to the previous rumor. In typical Olympus style, they ignored FT glass owners once again. And as per today’s rumor …, not even having 4K video … Where are they heading to?
Hence, not one but even two pieces of good news. Some months ago, after Olympus’ refusal to offer a PDAF body with a normal price tag, I decided to get a new Pentax K-30, a much better machine, with a much more powerful sensor than the E-M1. And I did, for one fourth of the price of the E-M1. Now, needing a fast tele lens, instead of the thing discussed here to accommodate my Sigma 150mm f2.8, I am getting the Tamron 70-200 f2.8. For a very good price again when compared to the Olympus 40-150 f2.8.
Carry on like this, Olympus, these are your decisions after all…
one word: lol
We get it Jankoff, you like the Pentax. Nothing to feel bad about that, no need to feel like you need to explain yourself as if you are guilty of something. You don’t need your journey starting with “some months ago…” Pentax system is really cool. Theres a lot of people who think Pentax is cool. Good that you found a system you like, as there are some people that can’t. You are probably a good and reasonable guy in real life. Carry on.
See a trend and it’s not good. Olympus is only thinking about cutting costs and higher margins at the moment, and not about investing in R&D and pushing technology forward.
It appears Olympus’ imaging division is in the weakest position financially of any of the major camera manufacturers (yes, even Pentax, who managed to turn a profit). It’s been losing money for a long time now, and basically has 2 cameras keeping it afloat, the E-M1 and E-M10. Olympus keeps cutting costs (closing their U.S. warranty center, cutting quality control on its cameras, and cutting its worldwide warranty program) while keeping its camera prices high.
If you want to get a sense of how overpriced the OM-D line is after the yen has dropped 50% against the dollar in 3 years, look at pricing in Japan converted to USD – the E-M1 and 12-40mm costs the equivalent of $1500 sold by Amazon Japan, versus $2100 sold by Amazon US here (and that’s after the $300 off promotion). The E-M5 and 12-40mm PRO kit costs the equivalent of $950 sold by Amazon Japan – the same kit runs for $1600 at Amazon US here after a $400 promotion.
E-M1 and E-M10 is supposedly keeping Olympus up, and people want Olympus cuts both away with a E-M6?
How about E-M6 gets a normal update, sensor update isn’t needed in that and defiantly if the sensor stacking comes true.
E-M2 and E-M10n can then be the next gen bodies with improved video, with firmware update to E-M6.
Also Olympus Japan just launched a campaign. With an EM1 and 12-40mm you got an additional $210 saving after registration, $420 for EM1+1240+40150.
http://www.olympus.co.jp/jp/info/2014b/if141120omdj.jsp
WTF, we’re talking rumours here and it seems people confuse reality with fiction. We are talking about a non existing camera, at the most a prototype trial camera released to some to test new features. In many such cases there are several people getting different iterations of the same camera’s to test just one or a few features.
At this point we know absolutely nothing of the complete product.
And to Jack I’d say you know jack,zilch etc about photography, the new Olympus lenses are not overpriced at all, but probably you’re just an amateur gearhead that feels entitled to own the best gear, but just can’t afford it. Pathetic.
All this recent Olympus stuff is four thirds all over again. They are stuck in the sensor department and instead of doing something useful they are trying to address a PRO market that is just not that interested.
Sure Olympus can attract some enthusiasts that want to feel like a unique little snowflake, but professionals with clear needs will rarely find those needs satisfied by Olympus because this company insists on offering a weird in-between solution.
Panasonic has a much more realistic direction with pro video and ultra-compact mirrorless cameras. It just makes sense.
Me and my customers are satisfied. Better put: my customers are satisfied of my work. And I don’t really loose any sleep if Oly is not selling the “perfect camera”.
I really don’t understand why some people are so upset: want 4k video? Look elsewhere. Want a different sensor? Buy a different system. No, suddenly our “old” Em5 won’t stop functioning.
It is not that simple.
If you have invested in Olympus glass, you do want its cameras to be competitive. Its not about one feature here and there, its about the company making an effort to be current and technology leading.
Olympus have made some incredible lenses during the last few years, but it is lagging in camera development. When the E-M5m2 will be released in second half of 2015, it should carry its weight for the next 3 years. Nothing I have seen so far gives me confidence that it will be the case. Poor camera sales will lead to more pressure from shareholders to cut cost and that will inevitable to reduced R&D in future products. Not good!
I like your words
” it’s not about feature here & there , is about company’s effort to commit to current or latest technology ”
Well Said
I get your point, but personally, i dont really care how Olympus, or any other brand or system performs vs the competition, as long as it does satisfy in what i want to do, i cannot wish for more, unless i am spoiled.
Don’t try to look for something “good” in Economy. To make it more simple: why should I, the Company, wait for 3 years (and spend money in the meanwhile) before releasing a new camera, when I can do it every year or 6 months, just “upgrading” the JPEG engine or the form factor?
Companies don’t owe anything to us, so we don’t have to feel upset if our dream camera with the über feature is not released.
Call it milking if you want, but roughly speaking that’s what it is.
It’s simply naive thinking that we customers deserve the best tech available as soon as possible and without flaws.
The big leap in IQ happened when Oly started buying sensors from Sony. Until Sony releases a new sensor, there’s no way we can see another leap in IQ.
Yun keeps wishing and waiting for the organic sensor from Fuji/Panasonic: there will always be a new tech available, one day, do we have to wish and wait for the next thing to come?
Perhaps I’m taking all these wishes and whines too seriously, but it seems that suddenly all our gear is obsolete and can’t deliver a good photo.
Personally I invested a lot of money in the m43 system, owning the best primes available and using them as passionate photographer and also for some jobs. People never asked me in advance anything about my gear, and many of them simply saw some of my photos. Does it mean I can’t do better with a better gear? Of course I would like a better IQ, and I’m sure everyone seek for the best quality available, but I keep my feet on the ground.
If a customer asks me for a 3 mts width picture I know I can’t do it using m43 system, and look somewhere else for the right tool.
I bet that some months after the organic sensor coming, someone will start complaining and wishing again for a new sensor.
Marco
Couple of points, you may have to look at it more than one perspective.
“Companies don’t owe anything to us….”
Not true, any company with this attitude is a DEAD company.
Your clients are everything to you, without them you have no business.
“simply naive thinking that we customers deserve the best tech…”
Not naive, its called competition. Consumer electronics market is very competitive, there is very little space for poor execution and delivery.
There is a graveyard full of firms that fails to deliver the best tech.
“I keep my feet on the ground”
I like that about you. The problem is today with m4/3 manufactures is their “tent” is to small. IT has to attract more users from CaNikon to stay in business. The cumulative net profits of Olympus camera business during the last 10 years is estimated as NEGATIVE. Not sure they can keep this up.
Camera market is shrinking for a main reason: there’s no need to upgrade your camera twice or once in a year, following the new versions of a model.
I don’t look at DSLR vs MirrorFree cameras war, nor at cameras vs smartphones.
I think only Leica has a profit business, thanks more to its special editions than the M line or T line (an M costs something around 3000 euros to Leica).
Olympus is negative, in the photography area, but that department is also part of the “lab” for their medic division.
As I wrote, Sony does not mind about photography (I’m exagerating but not too much): each camera is a flag to show the world that they are leading the sensor tech, and they are selling their sensors to 90% of other Companies.
Is Sony free of flaws? No. But given the fact that today the most important thing seems the sensor, the big S is perceived as the most innovative Company. In the meanwhile they almost dropped an entire line of products and leave the lenses r&d to third parts.
I still believe Companies don’t owe anything to us, at least until we spend our money to buy something from them.
An example: I’m still using my iPhone4. I skipped 4s, 5c, 5s, 6. Because I don’t need the extra features of new models, and my old iPhone4 has not even a scratch. Apple won’t suffer from that.
As I said, camera market is shrinking and it should be a priority for Companies to gather more and more customers. CaNikon users? Old ones are scheptical, and talking to some pros during some festivals I sadly realized that a good portion of them had no idea about what Olympus, Panasonic, Fuji or even Sony released in the last two years..
As for the best tech, I say that it should match your purpose, what you aim for.
If I want to carry on a pinhole photography project, I don’t need a d810.
If I can deliver a good set of photos to my customers, because I know that they will be used on the web, my current Em5, Em1 and primes are more than good, and Olympus can keep its Em5II.
I’ll have soon a MM, that I will probably use for some fine art, and most of times for my zen photography: an expensive, limited and obsolete tool, perfect for what I need and seek.
(Actually I’m having fun with a Polaroid SX70..)
Well I can make pictures with (m)43 gear that is many meters wide.
In fact there are some buildings in the netherlands where they are spread along the walls of the corridors many many meters (25-30 mtrs) wide and 2,5 meters high! 🙂
🙂 I’m not talking about stitching images! Nor to those gigantic posters that are meant to be seen from 20 or more meters away.
Think about a photo of a product for a catalogue, where the graphic studio needs to crop the file to fit it in a catalogue.
Or some of Ansel Adams photos, where even if printed 3 x 3 meters you can see tons of details and feel as if you were there, inside the picture.
I guess you didn’t do your homework. The current E-M5 sensor is perfectly fine for extensive professional work, the E-M1 being in a categorie that can manage many more situations including sports, due to the 40-150mm F2.8.
If you took a leap ahead of reality, expecting a non released product to show up in time for your future use of some features, and bet on one system you haven’t particularly done yourself a favour.
But it’s your fault and not the others’.
I’ve been in the 43 camp and still own a few pro lenses. Am I sad I can’t use them up to full potential, well yeah, am I angry for Olympus not providing upgrade path? H.ll no ofcourse not, 43 was just the first step in true digital photographic experience in the DSLR department, and as with all new technologies they evolve quickly, that’s just a fact.
On the other hand I see utterly no commitment of the same level with Canon or Nikon.
And I find it striking you pretend to know that Olympus can’t sell their stuff. LOL.
My bet is that the “enthusiast” marketshare is bigger than the “pro” marketshare… But I may be wrong 🙂
But hopefully anybody can use Olympus’ PRO lenses on an mft Panasonic body… isn’t that great? 🙂
why not wait until it is actually announced before everyone gets their panties in a bunch?
Why read a rumor site if you can read the news on dpreview?
because it is entertaining to see what the rumors are. But so many people treat the rumors as fact and get all bent out of shape for no good reason.
News and Rumors, they both get people bent out of shape.
There is a reason- people like to get angry.
A lot of people generally aren’t happy, but a lot of things in life are not in their control. Its also perfectly reasonable not to be happy without a particular reason, but society wants everything to be case and effect.
So, getting angry at something trivial, either rumor or news, is the only outlet. I think these “upsetting news” keeps some people sane, in a weird way.
Because that’s the whole point of RUMOR sites. You want reviews, you should try other places.
That said, 43 rumors are very active lately. A lot of new rumors and more and more corrections.
I also watch rumor sites of larger systems (C N S).More products, more users, more everything. And a lot less news. 🙂
Maybe it’s also about the quality of information or simply the admin being naive?
Some news marked as FT2 wouldn’t even be mentioned at a Nikon Rumor site.
Few days back there was a text @CanonRumors about possible FF mirrorless. It got a CR0, obviously. I bet it would get an FT2+ and a long list of wished features, which are sure to come!
It’s like with the 4K. Everyone talks about it, everyone wants it (although pretty much no one uses it…). Surely, it will be available in the new OM-D. It must be! 😀
Seriously: 4 times more research, 4 times less news.
Everything is going to be all right. 🙂
:/ it’s beginning to look worse and worse :/
damn shame… it looked promissing… but the “no PDAF” rumor was IMHO worse than no 4k
Yup. Of course we shouldn’t have expected 4k also. In fact, I am not ready to believe there will be any improvements to video at all, given this is Olympus we are talking about. Simply, this will be an extremely sad model update after years of waiting.
I don’t care about 4K, but somehow I’m starting worrying about the sensor shift now. And if it’s just like what admin says that there aren’t many other major improvements then this is really a boring successor.
Next rumor is that it doesn’t have sensor shift technology and doesn’t have a electronic shutter.
Then the next rumor is that Olympus just re-releases the old E-M5 in Yellow.
Then the next romor is that admin was looking at the wrong spec sheet, and it will get 4K video, improved sensor, electronic shutter and so on…
Meanwhile traffic on this site skyrockets and admin can get himself a nice Christmas present.
hmm shall i open a rumor site too then
No PDAF, no new sensor… 3 years old camera will live for more 3 years… Mirrorless competition is growing rapidly! Why Olympus is jumping in old 12 MP habits when it used the sensor for a decade!?
Yes , you win the right to worry .
A deep worry , please .
this is a funny thing, many people talk about the competition, like they are olympus employees, which is not ofcourse. its so easy to switch to those competitors, and its the usual thing to do if you not happy with your current brand or system. If you invested much, you can sell your investment again, otherwise you cant call it like that .
They are not trying to sell us the 4k gimmik and mostly useless PDAF…Great!
Im thinking this may actually be an interesting upgrade with new and very improved features.
What are the new and improved features? so far there isn’t much detail.
Dont know, but its not 4K and PDAF! so maby its something useful?
It’ll at least have the latest TruePic engine (if not a new one)… Look at software differences between EM1/EM10 and EM5 and you’ll have a better idea (focus peaking, color shifter, UI tweaks, wifi, etc.).
Maybe Olympus included features like auto portrait mode for the evf display & dual screen with magnified split prism style manual focus, cool stuff like that Fuji X-T1 has
Hopefully there’ll be some. I hope admin’ claim that there are not many major improvements came from his own speculation.
Admin is turing into a drama queen! Who said in the first place EM5II will record 4K.
Uh oh…The home crowd will NOT be pleased about this rumor… 🙁
This is good news for current OMD owners to feel good that they still have the latest and greatest offered by Olympus. Bad for people looking to switch to Olympus for their innovation.
The E-M5II is compatible with the existing HLD-6
Good news!
you found info?
I think he’s one of the “sources” 😉
You can’t trust the sources these days.
A source saying the next model won’t have 4K and will use the same 16Mp sensor can’t be wrong 😉
Current EM1 sensor doesn’t even stack up to entry-level APS-C Nikons from 2011-2012…. we need a new sensor.
Didn’t you already post that one days ago, Shenkie??
I guess it really upsets you….
Not at all, I’m just wondering if your room is line up with thar kind of ornament… It may be pathologic you know?
One last note: don’t up you own comments, it’s not fair 🙂
Now back to the subject: what camera do you have? D3200 or D5100?
GX1,GF3,G3, EM10,D7100 and D610… next question? I guess you will ask next which lenses for m4/3 so: P14mm, P20mm, O45mm, P45-200, Sigma 30mm and original P14-45kit zoom. Next?
Nice to know.
Why do you still have mft gear if it’s so bad? Something sounds weird here. Or maybe you find some advantages in mft after all? Those kinds of advantages that DXOMark can’t spot thru sensor scores? Is the thruth somewhere else, Scully? 🙂
yes but those advantages are starting to disappear with new innovations from competitors. I keep the lenses for hope, and most of the bodies I have are too old to go through the trouble of selling now anyway (gf3, gx1, g3). em10 is nice small camera since i am already invested in lenses….. but this is all i will invest in this m43 system until it improves in areas of high iso and dynamic range.
Valid points.
I wonder how many years it’ll take to Nikon to bring a small and light mirrorless system with a sensor format bigger than CX-format (from Nikon1 line)… I mean, DXOmark for Nikon 1 scores really bad, and lens line up isn’t there yet…
So it’s bad when DSLR user say, I wonder how long it would take Olympus to bring a small and light (which the EM-1 is neither) mirrorless system with a sensor format bigger than micro-4/2 format… I mean, DXOmark for micro 4/3 scores really bad, and the lens line up isn’t there yet…
… because as we know micro 4/3 is as good as full frame 135, because sensor size does not matter. However, Nikon 1 is not as good as micro 4/3, because Nikon 1 is smaller, and sensor size does make a difference.
I’m affraid you missed the point. The thing is you have to think as a whole system / your usage benefit… Looking only at the shape of the tires won’t tell the car will fit your needs.
DXOmark isn’t relevant by itself.
APS-C has 71% larger area, you will have to wait years before technology pushes M43 ISOs past D3200
Don’t need to push past. Sensors are so great with low light sensitivity now that even m43 surpasses what the human eye can pick up. In fact, low light sensitivity is the ONLY area where digital cameras have surpassed nature. (Human capabilities).
I’d like higher resolution for nature shots, and 4K video for more flexibility in post/higher quality 1080p output.
Make a full frame fixed-lens camera, it’s Olympus only hope. m43 seems more and more like dead end
Yeah right, and Can-Nikon should make smartphones, ’cause cameras in general seems more and more like a dead end…
No wait…
lol here comes the butthurt meltdown, from the rats trapped on the sinking ship that is m43
No kidding: re-read my post, it may be the whole camera industry that is shrinking, but you’re so concentrated on your m43 hate that you don’t see it 🙂
In the meantime, I can still have fun with my camera, and you…well… 🙂
Have a nice day Sir.
That makes about as much sense as telling Nikon that they should be making 6×7 cameras in 1970.
Evil SONY is sabotaging Olympus, this is a conspiracy to destroy the m43 sensor.
Wow, who could’ve predicted that 🙂
But I really hope they do a decent job with video on that one (codecs, framerates, etc.). It’s about time video on Olympus cameras stopped sucking so much.
Not recording 4K is a quite sad ‘record’ for Olympus: currently neither of their mid- and top range cameras can record 4K.
And no, 4K is not just a fancy feature for fillmakers. Capturing 8MP stills from 4K stream would be indeed an incredibly strong feature for still photographers too.
As a still photographer I don’t see any benefit in picking frames from a movie. The IQ is rubbish, the resolution is low.
E-M5 does 8fps (without AF) in 16 MPx. And it has great dynamic range and so on. Why would I need 24 fps of poor IQ, noisy 8 MPx shots? What would I use them for?
I don’t know if you’d ever seen a frame extracted from a consumer camera video. If not, you should definitely check how it looks…
What are you speaking about?! GH4 makes beatiful 8MP still from 4k stream and you have AF in every fraction of second (assuming the used lens is DFD-compatible).
8MP usually is enough for e.g. wedding photo or even for sports.
Pfff. No, just no. Please stop…
1) Image quality.
I’ve seen a few tests and all of them state that GH4 provides a little bit under 11 EV of dynamic range in video. This is hardly an astonishing achievement. Even the current Nikon 1 does the same thing with true continuous shooting (20 fps with *working* AF and 60fps without).
As for resolution: most of the frames will need cropping and leveling. Also the barrel distortion is high on many MFT lenses.
So 8 MPx will quickly go down to 6. And I use a 6 MPx sensor, so I really know details are rubbish. You won’t convince me.
2) AF
In continuous shooting the focus has priority. If your body does up to 8 fps, the “up to” thing comes from the need to refocus. As a result you get sharp pictures (at least that’s the expected result).
However, in video mode the frequency of shots has priority. So if you choose 30 fps it will take 30 shots a second. And what about the AF? AF will work all the time and will try to do its best, but it can only follow the action. so you’ll get 30 not very sharp pictures (and that is also the expected result).
8MP is enough for many things, given the lens is sharp. Most MFT lenses are sharp, so thats that. I think also, when it comes to 8mp stills, its about getting the shot or not, instead of how best of a resolution and DR is crammed into it or whatever.
I’ve never tried shooting like that, but I’d be curious. Personally I get a kick out of getting the shot with focus and shutter moment the traditional way, but if I was a pro depending on getting the result, the still from video sounds like the way to go for action shots.
I don’t know if you’d ever seen a frame extracted from a 4K capable mirrorless camera. If not, you should definitely check how it looks… compared to RAW developed in Lightroom: http://www.eoshd.com/2014/12/samsung-nx1-4k-video-28mp-raw-still-can-tell/
Seriously, this comparison is totally pointless. 😮
RAW is all about being able to process. It’s about having more info that can be put in a 2D graphic file. And the JPEG here was processed with Lightroom’s auto, so not even close to what one can do when processing.
So lets cut the crap. The comparison behind the link is not between RAW and video. It’s between 2 JPEGs.
I’d rather see a comparison of JPEG from video and normal JPEG *from camera*. That would have some value for people not using RAW.
Also, I’ve never before seen http://www.eoshd.com, but it’s rather disturbing that so many people didn’t identify the pictures correctly…
I do have to wonder if you are aware what happens to 99,9999% of photos ever taken? The comparison on eoshd just shows that you can extract 4K video frame and it will be good enough for most general uses. And general use usually means looking at pictures on uncalibrated 2K displays. I’d hardly call that rubbish.
And sure, you can discard the idea simply because you don’t have a use for it. But you’re not the center of the world, and not everyone has the same needs as you. If you don’t see how a feature like 4K Photo mode can benefit a reportage photographer or soccer mom for example, than be it.
Most general users are totally fine with a modern smartphone. And most shots taken go on someones facebook/instagram/whatever profile. Are we now trying to make an expensive mirrorless camera an alternative to a Samsung S-random_number?
It’s not about my use for anything. It’s about the comparison being idiotic.
RAW is not even a picture. You turn it into one during processing. You can easily make it look worse than a corresponding JPEG.
Mirrorless cameras are serious tools, but they’ve been troubled with this crappy advertising since the beginning.
Few years back I was told a viewfinder is not needed in a camera. Now I can have a huge shiny screen in my NEX-3! I should get rid of my DSLR with its silly peephole.
Viewfinder users look like perverts. LV users look like intellectuals – like if they were visiting a photo exhibition!
Few years later all serious MILCs (and compacts) have an EVF…
So now… another great idea! Why shoot stills when I can extract them from movies? I should forget about my archaic need to set the exposure and process the RAW file.
Surely, unsharp JPEG is the future…
What next? And obsolete shutter button?
Cameras became so good at finding faces, you’ll just have to carry it around. It will take all the facebook shots you need…
😀
Ok, so you just don’t see a benefit to something like a 4K Photo mode. Fair enough.
Here’s rundown of the workflow for a sports event:
Option 1: shoot a video, wait for something critical to happen (a goal for example), extract the most interesting frame, send it to your smartphone, publish it, continue shooting the event
Option 2: shoot the traditional way, in RAW, after the event, go back to your workplace, dump the files from the card, go through the editing process, publish the results.
Note that there’s place and time for both options, and which one is more suiting largely depends on the type of publication. Option 1 is for nearly real time reporting.
And I don’t know what you mean by forgetting about setting exposure. You need to set your exposure correctly for video as well, unless you’re in full auto. Which is exactly the same as with stills, so I’m not sure what your problem is here.
And BTW, about that extracting frames thing. For now, only Panasonic does it right, with their 4K Photo mode (standard ratios, good codec, in-camera extraction with exif). With other cams, extracting stills from video is not that practical, as you need to do that in post-processing, which defeats most of the benefits of doing that.
Have you tried to manually focus while shooting 8fps? Its impossible. Why? Because the shutter closing and opening makes it look like a bad slideshow. Try something out… shoot video on your EM-5 and manually focus on some action. Notice how easy it is to massage the focus points and see it in realtime (no shutter slap to ruin the experience). Take that video into a program and see just how many of those frames are actually in focus. Even if you only get 25% in focus, that is STILL 8fps… ALL in focus.
My guess is that they still couldn’t implement a good enough C-AF…. and without that, they may feel like they can’t go full throttle on video. Even if pros manually focus, consumers will expect C-AF to work in video without manual focusing skills.
I don’t know much about video but hopefully at least the basic 24/25p or whatever gets implemented this round.
This is fantastic!
I don’t need to upgrade my E-M5 and I can save the money for other things.
Exactly what olympus had in mind.
YES… YES!!
That sucks.. Just picked up 4k monitor and 4k TV is on the list of Santa. Come on Olympus??
Well your fault, sorry.
4k still has a long way to come. Hardware needs to be faster, content needs to be created… it’s at least 1 year too early to buy that stuff. Unless you really NEED it for production.
Not from a media creation standpoint. There are many benefits to record in 4K, and output 1080p (I have listed them elsewhere in the comments here). Also, I have a pretty regular pc. It is not good at playing back 4K full speed, but I drop it into Premiere on a 1080p timeline, pre render and it works fine.
could you be more specific about which hardware is not fast enough?
And your 4k monitor will only work with olympus files?
hello OlyFanBoy???
why don’t you find you iPhone and shoot video with it.
Get a LX100 to hold you over and hopefully there will be a EM-1 MK2 down the road.
who needs 40 MP of unattractive M43 Noise (even at base ISO)
IMO, the 40mp sensor shift should have been reserved for their flagship.
4K is a mis-step in my opinion—it will have a hard time competing, especially one year into its life cycle. Still it won’t be a deal breaker for me.
Without 40mp sensor shift, I doubt many people will upgrade to E-M5II. Olympus probably thinks it’s better to distinguish E-M5II and the next flagship by 4K, PDAF and better grip.
Same old sensor is sad. The sensor shift better delivers superb IQ.
You are right, the E-M5II will need some feature to lure buyers.
The problem is, this SHOULD be the flagship.
The EM-1 should be the outlier- the historical anomaly that once and for all bridged the gap between 4/3 and micro 4/3. Other than that, the EM-1- a bulky, heavy camera for the format- is not a good advertisement for a format that is telling people they should get away from bulky, heavy DSLRs. The EM-1, a camera that says, hey big format bro’s like Fuji and the A7i, even though I rock a small format, I can be just as porky and bloated as y’all.
Development in performance and features should continue on the EM-5… a camera that differentiates itself from the EM-1 by being lightweight, svelte, and everything the bigger cams are not.
Olympus needs something to differentiate itself, especially when you can get into a Sony A6000 and 3 lenses for under $900.
I think that the E-M1 was motivated from their financial condition: maybe Olympus thought that they could clear out their inventory of FT glass.
I didn’t buy into the E-M1 (size and weight) and I keep hoping that they will improve on some of the deficiencies of the E-M5.
Olympus should cater equally to the stills and motion markets—it needs both of them to exist and prosper.
No.
The E-M5 is far too small to be the flagship. Just look at the size of the upcoming lenses. You need a large camera to hold them comfortably. Note I meant large, not heavy. I like the lightweight m43 cameras, they just are not that comfortable without grip. The only exception is the E-M1 with which I can shot allday long out of the box.Even the 12-40mm is too large for the e-m5 without the small grip and borderline for the E-M10 even with its grip.
When I go to an assignement I need great ergonomics that doesn’t tire me or that starts hurting after a while. The E-M5 has horrible buttons that are too small and too squishy (annoying), the E-M10 has great buttons but is lacking a real grip with buttons and both of those cameras need a grip that I can even use them comfortably. The E-M1 is awesome as is and the added grip for it makes working with models where I have to shoot alot in portrait mode a breeze. The only complaint I have with it is the somewhat flat and hard to press “play” button that I use alot but I can work around it.
And the Sony A6000 you mentioned has ergonomics that are a complete disaster. You cannot do serious work with it without heavily compromising and fidgeting with it and that starts by the horrible evf placement. Sony always makes their cameras to small and values form way too much over function.
I think a good handful of a camera is no problem. It’s the size of the lenses and the total weight that need to be comparably small.
dont know about an 40-150,,,,but i worked with an Helios 40-2 on my e-m5 plus hld-6 during long sessions and it was not a problem(the helios weighs 1 kg)
So the EM1, at 8mm wider and 4mm taller than the EM5, is pork incarnate, no better than bulky DSLRs?
Oooookay then…
And the difference between the E-M1 and a K-3 is 1.1mm in width and 6.5mm in height.
How about that depth? Notice you missed one dimension…
ridiculous to say the e-m1 is too large just because some serious aps dslr/mirrorless bodies are same size and even the A7 series.
The lenses…just dont forget the damn lenses!
Actually, I find E-M1 to be the only usable Olympus MFT camera to date in terms of handling. And a proper grip becomes even more important, when you consider lenses like 40-150/2.8 and the upcoming 300/4.
And Olympus wants a part of this segment to. They don’t want to be limited to making pocketable (and hipster-friendly) PENs and small pancake lenses.
There will be much rage but in no way could u make the most of 4k… However if the pixel shift works well I will be buying it for sure.
Plus for the Wi-Fi, tethering etc.
Of course it won’t do 4k, it’s a camera from Olympus.
I am getting less and less excited about this camera every
day.
Have no fear, the Olympus firmware “hackers” will provide a custom firmware that does 4K recording. Their track record is very good with this kind of upgrade… and don’t forget to donate!
yes Vitaly whatshisname will discover the secret 8k mode then.
I don’t need 4k… but still, this is a little odd… what’s the selling point of the cam then? Only this shift thing?
Ok it’s too early to tell… but I hope there is something else. Otherwise I guess it makes sense for me (E-M5 owner) to wait for E-M1 Mark 2 in 2016 or so.
What’s the point?!
What do you think about the E-M5? Is it any good? Is there anything in this camera that could make it worth the extra couple hundred USD compared to E-M10?
This is a *replacement* for E-M5. It will add a few new things, but is pretty much the same camera. This is very typical release cycle (a new model is followed by an upgrade; the name “tick-tock” was popularized by Intel). Consider:
– Nikon D7000 and D7100,
– Canon 650D and 700D,
– Fuji X-E1 and X-E2,
– Olympus E-P1 and E-P2, then E-P3 and E-P5,
– Panasonic GH1 and GH2, then GH3 and GH4
and so on.
And the other approach is not to update models that often. Canon kept its 7D going for 5 years, because it was an excellent camera and they didn’t feel like changing anything. And it was a bestseller for almost 4 years before the 70D and even afterwards.
At least Nikon, Canon, Fuji … use “newer” sensors. Not like Olympus uses the same sensor for every camera and forever.
Are you joking?
Canon used the same APSC sensor for like six years – with worse performance than the EM5’s sensor in most regards – and even kept using it for two years after the EM5’s release. They’re only just getting around to replacing it in all their models.
Fuji has used exactly the same Sony sensor (albeit a good one) in every single one of its APSC cameras since the X100.
Not to say that excuses Olympus from moving faster in sensors, especially three years after the EM5’s release, but they’re definitely not alone there.
Even Panasonic, with their own fabs, doesn’t have anything appreciably better than the EM5 sensor…
Nope. All companies use the same sensor for 3-6 years. Some more, some less. This is the time needed to make a profit (developing a sensor and establishing a production line cost A LOT).
Sony’s APS-C hasn’t changed for years. It was a 16 MPx, later replaced by 24 MPx. The DR is the same, the noise is the same. Little differences come from minor tweaks. Even if you shoot RAW, some things other than the sensor will affect the IQ. These can be easily improved. Sensors can’t.
Current 16 MPx MFT sensor by Sony is based on pretty much the same production technology as the 24 MPx APS-C. It’s just smaller, so it has lower resolution.
The D7100 has a much better sensor than the D7000 (better overall ISO performance and 24MP instead of the D7000’s 16MP). Also, the EP-5 was a significant upgrade to the EP-3 as far as sensor performance is concerned.
Canon and Nikon does this a lot, but take the Panasonic GH3 to GH4, that is a huge difference on the video side. (I suppose you can say sensor shift could be huge on image side for EM5 though).
It’ll be for ppl wanting more than what the E-M10 can offer (5 axis IBIS, weather sealed, better burst mode, accessory port, etc.) and don’t need the fancy things from E-M1 (PDAF, form factor, etc.).
You can buy 2 E-M10 (body only) for the price of one E-M1… There’s room for an E-M5mkII 🙂
Olympus cameras can record video?
(I just checked, in over 3 years I’ve taken only 34 videos between an E-PL2 and E-M5. On the other hand, I’ve taken 45 with a TG-3 and I’ve only had that since August…)
maybe because you like to shoot more bikini babes along the beach?
I wish 🙂
So, basically the higher res sensor shift, prob Wi-Fi, and focus peaking, maybe a new EVF are probably the only new features?
I would hope they incorporated that 0 second anti-shake as well. Other than that they may have added a few art filters and stuff like that? I don’t need another body, so it doesn’t matter to me, but it would be nice to see Oly allow the use of cases and grips and so on that are already out there. I am not one who cares much about the integration of top quality video into a still camera, but I am in a minority on that, I think.
Pretty much for me as well. There a weird obsession for 4k video in everything, but it really doesn’t speak to me as a feature. Looks like I’ll have to wait for E-M5 mkIII.
well shit… that is a great pity, no 4K! Oh well, indicates I’m not going to get an Olympus any time soon I suppose :-/
A slight design change probably means that we could not use the original grip – and have to buy a new one…
I’m curious to know why 4k is so important for those who want this feature on a camera? A tiny minority of people have a 4k screen and it should have a size of at least 55 inches to fully benefit… So what’s the big deal about 4k???
Ready?
Capturing action at 30FPS by pulling frames out of the video.
You know that most mirrorless are just inadequate when it comes to getting keeper photos for C-AF or C-AF tracking type of shots. When you shoot 4K video, you can pre-focus where you want while shooting, then as the subject moves in and out of that focus plane you can massage the focus manually. At 30FPS you will get a TON of keeper photos, and since there is no shutter slap, it will look seemless and not like a slideshow.
So I guess this is the new method used by sports photographers? That’s interresting, but for me I guess I’ll pass because I really enjoy making still photography the old way then. But anyway thanks for the explanation.
4K is absolutely useful if you shoot video. If you do a straight down-convert to 1080p, the picture will be much better than almost every 1080p camera out there. The LX100’s 4k downconverted to 1080p beats the pants of a Canon 5D mk3 1080p Raw, in sharpness.
Then you have the advantages of re-framing in post, zooming in, cropping, more real estate to run stabilizing software etc. All this is just for 1080p output. Then of course, you have also future proofed your footage for when 4K becomes popular.
Panasonic also has a very useful 4k photo feature that makes it easy to get a pretty high quality 8MP picture from a 4K video clip.
4k is a MUST!
And not for the 4k itself but because scaled down to 2K it just looks so much sharper and just all around better than videos shot in 2K.
Strange but true, so give me 4K or remain on the shelf…
thats the same as scaling down a raw file to screen size, but we are talking about 4k movie format here. I dont think there is a fast way to scale down such files every time. For a project based shooting ok but not for run of the mile shooting.
Scaling down by factor of 2 is easy and is done on the fly.
okay..tbh my hardware is very modest here
And 4K photo stills are a VERY useful feature. Being able to actually manually focus while filming video to pull stills from is a very satisfying experience. A suspect the EM-5II will be forced to only rest on the great lens library for m43’s to compete with Sony’s A7000 that is due out around the same time.
I read a lot of people here assume EM5 represent m4/3 to compete & that is not right .
As to compete against incoming A7000 , leave it to GX7 successor to take on it .
The EM5 mark2 does compete in the same bracket as both the Gx7 successor and the A7000 simply because it will share a similar cost. In fact, I bet it will come in at a higher price than the A7000.
That is one of Sony effort to get rid of m4/3 by lowering APSC pricing but I see such strategic more on sales oriented rather than a long term investment for photographers .
The NEX line for me is short of decent lenses & Sony as many said it only interested to make cameras , rely heavily on it’s sensor tech to deliver .
As for m4/3 , optics is the way for decent image quality . Sensor wise it have did a huge breakthrough ( EM5 era ) , & one more step forward in sensor tech ( 88db ) , this system can ruin the business of APSC or even FF .
I love Olympus, I have an EM5 but I´m so disappointed. I don´t want a bigger camera like EM1 but a camera that can satisfy my needs.
Olympus will lose a lot of market:.
– 4K – Not only because of the 4K by itself. 4K is more a maketing feature than a real useful feature for most of the people. But… other brands already have it on no top notch cameras and the brands use it as a maket competitive advantage;
– Better AF mode. Not having a PDF on even DFD focus is inconceivable for such camera. Sony and all other brands are on the front. EM5II can not compete with A6000 without it. We can´t track subjetcs or make sports pictures without it.
– Resolution: It is more market than a real need, but again other brands jumped to 20M or 24M and Olympus is still there, loosing value with its 16M. Oh it will have 40M pictures. I´m sure the 40M will be a feature to use on very limited conditions.
The natural competitors of EM5 is Sony A6000 and some Fuji Cameras. If the predictions are kept The Olympus new camera will be lauched as a looser, very different from the original EM5.
Congrats Olympus. Probably I will be one more out of the brand.
you know you say the same like many others here? I mean you have read the comments, no point in saying the same again except you think more similar opinions will change Olympus strategy. But they are stubborn…maybe they come up with something which might please some people(as far as I remember it never happened here that the majority was very pleased with one new feature here, but i could be wrong ofcourse.)
Hi friend,
It was really just a repetion of many others. I don´t care about repeating. You know when there is something on your throat and you have a great wish to say. That´s why I repeated most.
Olympus should know about our insatisfaction. I think EM5 (version 1) is a result of many bad comments of its past models made on Dpreview forum. One new feature will never satisfy most, But it could at least (really) be less stubborn.
Wow do you know ahead that the increased resolution will not translate in significantly better colors?
4K is absolutely useful if you shoot video. If you do a straight down-convert to 1080p, the picture will be much better than almost every 1080p camera out there. The LX100’s 4k downconverted to 1080p beats the pants of a Canon 5D mk3 1080p Raw, in sharpness.
Then you have the advantages of re-framing in post, zooming in, cropping, more real estate to run stabilizing software etc.
The market currents will only get faster iin 2015; Olympus will end up swimming backwards-they need to try harder!
i do photos not filming. i don’t care !!!!!!!
why would anyone care what you care about?
Why would anyone care that you don’t, that he does?
It’s like Inception
Lol! Inception.
you guys are awesome! i dont care who care what you care or not, i care what i care no matter you care or not.
So then if Olympus refuses to compete, then maybe they should just go back to 35mm film cameras.
I mean, why not? If they only want to focus on photography…
I don’t care how much one likes Olympus and thier history. If they don’t get with the times, they will be left behind.
What Olympus needs is some Tilt & Shift lenses to take advantage of the 40K shift-sensor…. I do Table-Top product shots with a Canon 5D2 with a TS-E 90mm f/2.8. A 45mm T &S would be what I want
How long would we have to wait for a decent sensor upgrade?
I have been using E-M5 since launch and been very happy with it. Invested $4000 in lenses. Now have been waiting for a decent sensor upgrade for a while (no E-M1 image quality was not such an upgrade). Looks like there is no real upgrade coming up in next couple of years.
Sony A7II starts to look good and the upcoming A9 might be even more interesting.
Give me *any brand of camera* with half decent senror and $4000 worth of quality lens and I swear that my worry will be all on my own technique, using the right filter, the right metering, the right focus, etc.
Ha ha. so true….there are people out there begging for pennies and are living in hunger….But my thousands of dollars worth of electronic garbage is not good enough. I WANT A BETTER SENSOR!…….not.
Same here but not that many lenses 🙂
It looks like they are going to ‘update’ the wrong parts of the E-M5.
The Sony camera’s are getting better every 6 months. If a sony A7s with 5axis comes out and prices go down a bit I might just get one. There may not be alot of lenses for the Sony’s but all I need is a great 35 and 80mm.
I want a camera that makes coffeeeeeeeee 🙂
If that’s what consumers want, the manuafacturers should listen.
I currently own a PEN E-PL5 and looking to buy the E-M5 Mk II when it comes out. On holidays I like to bring the camera to the beach without worries and I’m often annoyed when I have to put my camera back in the bag just because it’s pouring. So for me the weather sealing, a fixed viewfinder, newer version of fine details processing, WiFi remote control, etc. will be enough reason to upgrade. Especially if they keep the size and weight pretty much the same (nice and compact). The sensor is pretty good as it is. Only slightly disappointed about no PDAF (because C-AF/tracking is slow). I don’t care about 4k. Normal HD is impressive enough for me 🙂
Come on Olympus, give us at least a 16Mp BSI sensor. Disappointed that there will be no PD on sensor as not everyone who has 4/3 glass can afford the E-M1. That would still leave some differentiation between the OMD lines. E-M10 entry, no PD. E-M5ii PD, improved video, no weather-sealing. E-M1 more robust, PD, pro-spec fully weather-sealed.
a new e-m5 would be same sealed as the old one.
Crap, won’t be buying this then… Olympus is apparently serious about their claim that Pictures is their focus and that Panasonic takes the lead on that. Too bad for all of us hybrid shooters – guess Panasonic is it on m43 until other third party manufacturers start coming out with 4k cameras. I can live with my LX100 for a while 🙂
M43 was not that good, is not that good and is not getting better. For quality one is better of with APSC or FF. But for men like me with small hands and a very weak body M43 is the solution. We just have to deal with the ever growing gap between M43 and APSC.
To bad. It looks like New E-M5 will be a skip for many current owners. No New sensor, No 4k gimmick, only sensor shift o the fly that will probably work only for Jpegs ( why would any feature be complete on the firs iteration). And I bet they will make a new battery to spice things up a bit.
Oh and that -much improved video- means: “we added 24, 25p to same 1080p” in Japanese…
What’s it gonna be? EM10 with sensor shift and battery grip option? FT5…
I am sure it will have a much lower entry price than 1st EM5 had.
So what exactly is the advantage of m43 now? Aside from “lighter” which seems like is becoming less & less true or at least negligible in the real world
lenses mostly, but the opinions are divided here.
Thanks, that is still true in many cases, though there are some large lenses now which then need larger bodies for physical stabilisation. Which seems to be the trend going forward
GM-5, Pana 12-32, new Pana 35-100. Can’t exactly see an exclusive trend towards all bigger in lenses and bodies.
Still amazed by my 9-18 M.Zuiko. 155 g and it can disappear completely between my hands, which are rather small BTW. The E-M5 and the 9-18 are my favorites when going alpine hiking, biking and climbing, there’s always a place for this tiny combo and a small plastic desktop tripod. 18 – 36 FF equivalent UWA zoom in such a small and capable package is something I’ve been dreaming of back in film-SLR and even DSLR days…
Maybe the fact that mft is becoming a really complete system, with 2 mainstream mirrorless cameras makers and many lenses?
And concluding about the advantage or disadvantage of the whole system only because an FT4 rumors says that the E-M5mkII won’t have 4K sounds really ridiculous, don’t you think?
Alpha A7 II …. here I come!
anyone willing to buy my 43 kit? Selling 3 cameras and 5 lenses, please via email. Fed up with weak sensor performances and gigantic lenses of late (same size as competition, Noctiron, 75mm, 40-150 etc.) that needs to be super bright to fix sensor weakness…
micro lost the point for me, A7 II is the best camera of the decade, I am making the switch
admin: please fire your FT5 sources, all of them were claiming 4K
these unnecessary news are creating too much excitement in m43 world… all for nothing
enjoy your furure A7II purchase, kinda envy you 🙂
and good luck with your lenses there too i guess
Do you know DMC GX7 + Nocticron is more expensive than what Sony offer me , A7m2 + SEL2870 ?
I don’t know the rest but for me , money have no influence on what system or format I want to go as long as I like it .
oh i had the impression the gx7 is more cheap right now. And the new A7 should be still expensive. Anyway I cant afford anything at the moment
What make you so sure to conclude A7m2 is best camera of the decade or in 2015 without waiting to see further from X Pro 2 & GX7 successor
Comparing GX7 successor to A7m2 is idiotic. Its IBIS won’t be better than Panny OIS, which still looks useless in comparison to Sony new IBIS. Its sensor will get owned by A7m2 all the way.
so GX7 successor is out.
IBIS & Sensor size to decide a camera .
Go ahead , SohChai .
No new sensor is kind of shocking.
I think that they should NOT release a new E-M5 until they have 4k ready, and a new sensor that improves ISO performance by a noteworthy amount. The new E-M5 should also have a better EVF, either the same as the E-M1 or at least close.
Almost nobody in Hollywood or professional TV production actually shoots 4K. The majority of even high end content isn’t shot 4K, and certainly isn’t projected 4K when you watch it in a cinema nor is it delivered to you in your home in 4K.
The only camera being used on professional sets today that shots 4K is the RED cameras and they tend to get used more for 3D than anything (the Hobbit). More recently the Sony F55 has 4K RAW recording as well, but it’s been popular mainly in TV production where everyone still shoots 1920.
I would guess that almost 70-80% of the content you watch right now was shot using an Arri Alexa and most only shoot in 1920.
Even the newest Arri camera, the Amira, DOES NOT even have a 4K sensor. It’s a $60 000 camera by the way.
4K is BS It’s a marketing number used to sell you a TV.
Almost agree. But for stills shooters 4K is actually interesting because a 4K screen is much closer to a real print than a 2K when editing RAWs.
I’n not sure what you mean ? I don’t know what this new camera shoots, but the EM5 shoots 4,608 x 3,456 ? You’re still getting a 4k still photo ? You want to watch 4K video on your 4K screen to…..?
Hi John, lots of confusion in the still photography world. As you know Real 4K is 4096 x 2160 and Quad HD/UHDTV (also called 4K by some) is 3840 x 2160. john (with a small J) wants to pull frames from either UHDTV or 4K cinema, which really isn’t an option (except for high-speed footage).
Ahh OK. So if you want to extract a still photo from a motion image, then you’re always going to compromise, unless the camera can take an actual photo at the same time with a different shutter speed.
As you’ve already said…
To get a decent photo extracted from a motion image stream you’d have to shoot the video with a high shutter speed, as the motion shutter speeds tend to be too low for stills.
Motion images like slow shutter speeds because the little bit of motion blur actually helps the perception of motion. When we use high shutter speeds on motion it looks pretty nasty and strobes.
Drama is almost always shot with shutter speeds around 1/48th (24 FPS) 1/50th (25 fps) and 1/60th (30 FPS).
These shutter speeds are typically too slow for decent photos.
I don’t believe you can shoot great motion video and take a good photo at the same time decently UNLESS the camera can somehow take a photo separately with a higher shutter speed.
While the reasoning is sound, there is no reason not to use lower shutter speeds if you know you’re planning on extracting pictures. Also the standard speeds are perfectly acceptable for many situations and I have seen many great photos extracted from the 4k video from panasonic cameras.
For me, before it has been bit of a dilemma at kids christmas parties, whether I should take video or pictures, so often I’ve had wife video with phone while I take pictures with camera, but this year I got me Pana FZ1000 and just filmed the whole thing in 4k which looks great when downscaled to FullHD AND can extract great photos out of it too! Also it is future proofed for when we’ll be watching those videos 30 years from now.
What comes to this camera, obviously it’s not for people who think 4k video is priority. If that is not the case, it seems like a great camera. People have different needs and priorities.
I mean faster shutter speeds of course. 🙂
There isn’t “real 4k”. There is Cinema 4k and then there is UHD and both are 4k.
The standard is today 16:9 for TV-shows etc. For movies it is even wider/shorter footage than 16:9. And the Cinema 4k doesn’t cover either one, its too narrow for movie ratio, and too wide for TV-shows.
16:9 ratio UHD is THE standard now and in future. It is exactly 2×2 for 1920×1080 resolution and it makes easy to upscale the footage up to fill the whole screen. It is as well easy to get from cameras as 16:9 ratio is easy to implement with all other resolutions.
The Cinema 4k is “dead” by idiots who believe it is “THE TRUE 4k!”.
I think you’re mixing aspect ratios with acquisition ratios.
Cinema is still generally 1:1.85 or 1:2.40 aspect ratios.
Television is 1:1.78 (16×9)
That is why there are two differing 4K video acquisition ratios. The real resolution difference between those two is very small.
To be able to pull stills from video, it needs to be shot at a high frame. Or with a short shutter angle, which makes it unusable for motion pictures.
Don’t beleive me, just shoot some simple tests. 24 fps = 1/48, 30 fps = 1/60, 60 fps = 1/120, 120 fps = 1/240, 240 fps = 1/480
Panasonic adjusts this in their 4K photo mode…next?
I use sometimes stills from 1080p for magazines for half size prints but for screensize it almost look same like a regular still, just idd need to be care full when lots of motion is there and select the right moment i video.
John, I’ve been saying this for a long time. Nice to see someone else who understands what Hollywood does.
4K is for Fanbois, professional film makers don’t care.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/movies/how-the-dark-knight-rises-makes-use-of-imax.html?_r=0
http://www.digitaltrends.com/photography/4k-is-already-playing-at-a-theater-near-you-but-you-probably-didnt-even-notice/
“There’s debate about whether 4K is even worth it. To measure the impact on the audience – whether it’s an 84-inch ultra HDTV or a 98-foot IMAX screen – the industry looks at the height of the screen relative to the distance from the viewer. The rule of thumb is that 4K is noticeable if one is sitting from a distance 1.5-times the screen height or closer. That’s typically the first few rows of a movie theater.”
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“When I’m sitting and watching a movie, the real impact is whether it’s on film or digital,” the movie buff said. “I would say that some of the remastered 4K screenings I’ve been to, they’ve definitely looked better than 2K in general, but nothing beats seeing something on film,”
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Perhaps because of his bias, but RED’s Schilowitz disagrees: “All of my working colleagues and all of my friends – we demand it. We will not go to a theater that doesn’t have state-of-the-art projection or state-of-the-art screen or sound.”
How many would agree that it is higher enjoyment from evening when watching a Hobbit from 1080p display at home, than watching a 4k or iMax test charts in movie theater?
If the 4k is so awesome, then content doesn’t matter. But if the content matters, then it doesn’t really matter what quality it is as long it is enough, and 720p is already enough. Heck, even 576i is a enough!
Many movies gets just bad with high resolution as you can easily spot all the mistakes in scenery and lighting. Instead watching the same video at lower resolution with even compression artifacts can make the video look MUCH better. Because your imagination kicks in and it is easier to director of photography to guide viewer focus to wanted proportion.
Just like with black and white photography, the textures, shapes etc matters more than noise free image.
I take any day a stabilized video than a non-stabilized. Like look Olympus E-M1 footage vs Panasonig GH4 in movement and unless you have expensive rigs to stabilize the Panasonic, OIS doesn’t offer same enjoyment because missing roll axis stabilization. Take a legacy objective (non-OIS) and no matter how large resolution, it looks terrible when it is shaking and has small jittery now and then.
And alone shooting a 1080p stabilized video is so huge pleasure compared what GH4 4k non-stabilized video requires, sudden movements for better composition and small transitional pannings just is pleasure to do with Olympus.
Actually, many of the movies I see at AMC7 in Santa monica are projected in “Sony Cinema 4K” whatever that is.
But a lot of movies aren’t even mastered or delivered as 4K DCI / DCP. In other words, the 4K projector is upscaling a 2k DCI / DCP print.
I thought they were shot on film and then scanned, edited, and projected in 4K. No?
Very few films are shot on actual film in the last 2 years. Only a notable few like interstellar. IMAX scanning is typically 8K by the way. 4K scanning is normally only used for VFX elements, otherwise most film is scanned at 2K.
Even if the film was scanned at 4K, the more normal workflow would be to master 4K and then create a 2K DCI / DCP “print” to be delivered. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but it’s not common to have 4K deliverables. And certainly you’re living in a rarefied part of the world, the centre of the filmmaking world where, 4K cinema’s are more common. I’ve never seen a sign advertising 4K projection in my part of the world and I know of only one cinema that has 4K.
There aren’t a lot of 4K projectors in cinemas for precisely this reason. Mostly films get delivered as 2K. It’s only going to be NEW and more high end establishments, ones that have large auditoriums / screens ,that would be willing to invest to have the slight advantage of 4K.
For the past 5 years the Arri Alexa and the Panavision Genesis have been the mainstay of studio films and Television production. Neither of those cameras are 4K cameras by a long shot.
I’m not even sure how well it performs as the “marketing BS”.
I live in Europe and we used to think people in US and Japan are much more prone to be easily manipulated and made into buying stuff.
I mean: people in Europe generally don’t camp in front of shops when a new iPad is released and we use the word “smartphone” – not “iPhone” – for your “everyday communication handheld device” and so on. 🙂
And I’m afraid we don’t buy 4K TVs. Television is in 1080p at most (more often 768p), movies sold on BR are in 1080p (people still mostly use DVD). Streaming (like Netflix) is marginally popular.
But then: we also watch a lot less TV.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/276748/average-daily-tv-viewing-time-per-person-in-selected-countries/
http://www.economist.com/node/14252309
Actually, it’s quite the opposite. Not watching television (or rather: not owning a TV) is somehow “trendy” at the moment. I’m sure people in US would have a hard time understanding this. 😀
That said, even though I really don’t give a $#!* about this trend, I also don’t own a TV. No time to use it. 🙁
BTW: I’m from Poland which is 4th in both rankings.
not owning a TV? lol
Why lol? That’s very common here among certain demographics. I didn’t have a TV for couple of years I was living alone (and I did not miss it one bit), and many of my friends didn’t either. And some of those that had a TV set, had it only because they needed it for their gaming console, not for watching TV.
yes i dont watch broadcast either but we can do more then that..so thats why the lol (I am not into watching movies on my laptop except the nature ones)
It just boils down to your lifestyle and preferred method of entertainment and possibly what other equipment you got. As larger and larger monitors become popular, there’s less and less reason (for some people) to go for a separate TV for example. 28-inch 4K monitors are pretty cheap nowadays, and I’d rather get that than a bigger TV set, simply because it would get much more usage than a TV. But it’s all very personal choice.
yes , i guess i prefer watching the “old” way,I cant stand to watch a movie on smallish screens..even 28 inch format is for me too small to really enjoy cinema scope format movies as they become rather small. I just have 46 inch Sony, even there its just acceptable. For 16:9 movies its better. I assume more people do watch as I do…or even on a bigger format, esp.a friend from from America. I dont think his lifestyle (fulltime surfer)matches the way he looks at his movies on a bigger then 50 something inch TV 🙂
btw i just watch in 1080p…I dont think I can benefit from more 4k details while watching at a normal distance from a tv. A pc screen is different ofcourse, but thats not an ideal scenario for me.
I haven’t owned a TV for 11 years…. No time for it when you move a lot, and there ain’t even anything to watch really. Last 11 years I estimate I have watched TV maybe 24-48 hours in total.
well i want to watch movies on a tv. cant imagine i am that busy i dont have time for that.
If you spend lots of time in living room, TV is a normal choice. If you spend lots of time on-road or other places, TV isn’t the option. Even then a 7″ tablet is a much better for movies.
yes i am the type who stays alot inside.
Do you use 8MP Fotokameras oder 16MP? Isn’t 8 MP enough for you? Guess it is.
4K downscaled to 1920 is
– steady shots
– more details
– better colours
– more dynamik
Who cares what professionals for very different reasons are shooting with? Nobody.
– steady shots…
Your argument is that 4K gives you more resolution for stabilising. Fair enough, but readers should also know that post stabilising is the WORST kind of stabilizing. It crops you’re original image AND it lowers your resolution. Much better if you use IS lenses or sensor IS first, where you have no crop and no loss of sensor resolution.
-More Details
Sure. Imax has more detail but no one’s rushing out to shoot all their films using it. 4K+ cameras have been around for a long time but more detail isn’t necessarily better.
-better colours.
OK, now you’re just making up features. How on earth is a 4K sensor going to give you better colout ?
More Dynamik (your spelling)
– I presume you mean more dynimc range ? How is it exactly that a 4K sensor gives you more dynamic range when shooting video ?
I’m not saying 4K wouldn’t be great if they can do it and I’ve shot 4K plenty of times. But it’s not a killer must have feature for motion imaging.
I think his point was that you have a secondary level of stabilizing. Also on bodies without IBIS, if you film with adapted lenses, this may be your only option.
You get sharper 1080p pictures than a 1080p camera when down converting. Since you have 4x more data to begin with, the down-converting process will in fact improve color accuracy (though it won’t suddenly give you a color shift to some more pleasant look if that is what you think). Same goes for Dynamic range. A 4K 4:2:0 image down-converted will in the end approach 1080p 4:4:4 (simple math).
Also it gives you head-room to change composition if it is a bit off, to crop if you want a close-up, to do a zoom or jump effect in/out, etc.
Tom.
We’re talking about this in a thread about Olympus cameras, that have excellent sensor IS that allow ANY vintage lens you can put on there to be stabilised with better results than you’ll get from post stabilising.
You are also confusing chroma sub-sampling (the 4:2:2 4:2:0) numbers with Bayer sensor ratios of red green blue pixels.
This is a very common mistake and mythology.
They have nothing to do with each other. Though they deal with similar issues.
YUV encoded video (sometimes called colour difference) has those colour sampling ratios relative to luminance sampling. The Y signal is brightness, The UV signal are the colour difference signals.
In simple terms, brightness information is encoded separately to the colour information.
In a BAYER sensor, you have a ratio of Red, Green and Blue photo sites but the brightness is encoded from the de-mosiaced image as RBG. Each discrete colour channel has brightness information as well as the channel colour.
YUV is brightness and colour encoded separately.
RGB is colour and brightness encoded within each colour channel.
You, like many, make the false assumption that because the ratio is often similar to what you get in a bayer array, that they mean the same thing…ie 4:2:2 means 4 greens photosites, 2 red photosites and 2 blue photosites but this is just a co-incidence. Not simple math.
VIDEO encoding of the image (turning it into YUV) happens a long way downstream from the bayer de-mosiac part of the image. It doesn’t get turned into 4:4:4, or 4:2:0 until nearly the last stage of the video formatting.
You’re hypothesising that supersampling from a larger number of bayer photosites will have more discrete colour information, but the reality is the difference is nearly insignificant because it doesn’t allow for the de-mosiacing algorithm with mathematically make the colour information up from the photosites.
If what you say is true, then a camera that can shoot 4K and 1920 would have markedly better colour discretion in it’s 1920 image than the 4K image. That is not the case.
The Arri Alexa RAW format in 16×9 is 2880 x 1660, yet this is the camera that is lauded for it’s film like accurate colour reproduction over cameras like RED EPIC / RED DRAGON and the Blackmagic cameras that have much higher resolution sensors.
If anything the main weakness of the RED cameras is that it’s perceived to have a much lower colour gamut as recorded and less dynamic range than the Alexa. Yet it is now shipping with 6K sensors.
It’s incredibly simplistic to say a 4K sensor has better DR and better colour simply because it’s 4K and not 1920 it’s simply almost never the case in the real world.
It’s also by far the cheapest way to stabilize. Most casual users can’t and won’t drop $$$ on a steadicam.
They go and drop $3000 (body+objective) to get 4K and they don’t want to stabilize the camera correctly by dropping a $500-3000? They are fools….
That’s why Olympus OM-D always wins 4K because stabilization is already there (5-axis).
A post effect stabilization can’t fix blur from camera shake (24-60fps range).
4K is still just gimmick, it is the future but still gimmick…
For those productions that do need to generate UHD deliverables, AMIRA will now offer the ability to record all ProRes codecs in Ultra High Definition 3840 x 2160 resolution: from Arri website
Yes. The latest Arri, the Amira, that’s just been launched CAN do UHD, but guess what…
It’s upscaled. The sensor STILL isn’t 4K. Even Arri felt like they had to address the 4K marketing speak by upscaling a 4K file in camera. Again, nothing you couldn’t do in post, but they can say 4K for the marketing….
Will it have a mic jack?
sensor stabilisation and high bit rate video is always a problem for heat dissipation. I don’t mind the EM5II being 1080p and concentrating on stills. I am glad it hasn’t gone to the panasonic sensor, I value long exposures too much. Let the EM1II be the video camera.
I have shot long exposures with GH4 and EPL5 and prefer the GH4. For noctilucent clouds for instance (which are comparable for the cam to aurora borealis).
Olympus E-M1 can record video IBIS enabled in ~75°C temperature without any artifacts or shutting downs etc for over a hour. That is ~167°F if someone wants to know easily.
The heat isn’t a problem for high quality 1080p recording with IBIS.
The main source for heat are battery and the CPU. The sensor heating isn’t a problem, it is actually very minimal compared to those two.
A GoPro 4 can record as well 30 minutes in 4k in watertight (small) case until battery gets so hot that it turns off. GoPro 3+ could record 4k but without such battery heating problem.
The sensor is very small source for heating.
E-M5 Mark II has nothing new. Why do I buy?
yes why do you?
hahaha
4k is the future. Push the video detail to cinema level (cinematographers record in C4K).
Panasonic is the correct choice.
its the future
but the future isnt here yet, and wont be for some time
Look more and more like the good old em5 with better video but without 4k, 40mp function and wifi
I’M FUCKING ANGRY!
First no Phase Detection, now not even 4K?!?!?!?!?!?!
I was so anticipating the launch of this camera, now I don’t have any reason to buy this thing. Thanks for nothing Olympus, I’ll probably go with the GX7 successor.
4K or not 4K, doesn’t matter until Olympus has a more robust video pipeline/codec that doesn’t go to mush when there’s fine detail or movement in a scene. If they take their current 1080p pipeline and bump it to 4K resolution, it still won’t be good. It’s a shame, as their 5-axis IBIS is awesome for video. So if they just improve on current 1080p video quality that will be a positive.
meh, if the 40MP mode works well, and with improved AEB – I’m all over this the day it comes out.