Good news folks! There is a 60-80% chance that Sigma will unveil new Micro Four Thirds lenses in September (for Photokina). And if the rumor I got are correct these lenses are completely designed for the Micro Four Thirds system only!
As you know the current 30mm and 19mm lenses cover the APS-C sensor because they are made for the NEX and NX system too. The lenses are very good (and cheap) but bigger than they could be if they would have been designed for the m43 system only.
The 30mm lens is in Stock at Amazon US (Click here), Amazon DE (Click here), Amazon UK (Click here), Amazon FR (Click here), Amazon JP (Click here) and Digitalrev (Click here).
The 19mm lens is in Stock at Amazon US (Click here), Amazon DE (Click here), Amazon UK (Click here), Amazon FR (Click here), Amazon JP (Click here) and Digitalrev (Click here).
Just a reminder. Sigma also offers a nice amount of Four Thirds lenses:
[shoplink 18947 ebay]Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6[/shoplink]
[shoplink 18948 ebay]Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8[/shoplink]
[shoplink 18948 ebay]Sigma 18-50mm f/3.5-5.6[/shoplink]
[shoplink 18949 ebay]Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6[/shoplink]
[shoplink 18950 ebay]Sigma 24mm f/1.8[/shoplink]
[shoplink 18951 ebay]Sigma 30mm f/1.4[/shoplink]
[shoplink 18952 ebay]Sigma 50mm f/1.4[/shoplink]
[shoplink 18953 ebay]Sigma 50-500mm f/4-6.3[/shoplink]
[shoplink 18955 ebay]Sigma 55-500mm f/4-5.6[/shoplink]
[shoplink 18956 ebay]Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8[/shoplink]
[shoplink 18957 ebay]Sigma 105mm f/2.8[/shoplink]
[shoplink 18958 ebay]Sigma 135-400mm f/4-5.6[/shoplink]
[shoplink 18959 ebay]Sigma 150mm f/2.8[/shoplink]
[shoplink 18960 ebay]Sigma 300-800mm f/5.6[/shoplink]
Reminder -> Rumors classification explained (FT= FourThirds):
FT1=1-20% chance the rumor is correct
FT2=21-40% chance the rumor is correct
FT3=41-60% chance the rumor is correct
FT4=61-80% chance the rumor is correct
FT5=81-99% chance the rumor is correct
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micro four thirds is rolling 🙂
Or even rocking as well 🙂
Good thing the E-M5 has 5-axis stabilisation, then.
These are only interesting to me if they’re cheap and have autofocus.
With thirdparties like Tokina, Tamron and Sigma you can expect the price to be affordable for the average person. Unlike premiume manufacturer like Leica, Voigtländer and Schneider.
Cheap like these : http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/551437-REG/Sigma_597110_200_500mm_f_2_8_EX_DG.html
The lens is not comparable, since there aren’t any other company that offers this kind of lens (with the same spec). Therefore this lens could be the cheapest and the most expensive at the same time.
That’s a lens with a front element the size of a dinner plate. 😛
So far Sigma has released 2 cheap AF lens for Micro four thirds with better overall image quality than more expensive lens, so you will most likely be very interested in the new lens.
Even for other formats when Sigma releases an expensive high grade lens, it is usually less expensive than the competing lens from other companies.
Photkina? 🙂
Photonichristmas.
Sigma design their lenses for themselves and other systems. For example, these 19 and 30 mm are the same that we will find in the sigma Dp1m and Dp2m. They will probably create their own mirrorless eventually and use it with all the other lenses they create. Why would they design specifically for the m43 ? They’ ve never cared at all if their lenses were too big… I don’t beleive this part of the rumor.
+1
“Why would they design specifically for the m43 ?”
Because Canon is coming out with mirrorless system with similar sensor size. These lenses will not be APS-C ports, they will be designed for m4/3 and new Canon MILC.
They are not the same as the DP1M and DP2M but similar.
But they are not big either. I doubt they could be much smaller.
I wonder if they will be fixed focal length or zoom lenses? If Sigma make some zoom lenses will they put image stabilisation in them for Panasonic shooters?
My word autumn is going to be busy and exiting! 😀
8-12mm primes or zooms please!!!!
There have been pretty good solutions for that range, while I can’t see any decent:
-17 mm lens
-longer macro lens with tripod collar
-fix supertele lens
there is no 10mm prime and the panasonic 7-14mm price is wayyy over my budget (costs over 2000 dollars in norway!)
You said 8-12… There is a good prime in this range, and the cheap Oly 9-18 zoom which covers almost the whole.
you mean the 12mm f2? thats over 1000 dollars here and so is the oly zoom and when I said 8-12mm primes I mean 8mm,9mm,10mm,11mm,12mm…
Why whould you use a super wide angle with large aperture (I guess that’s why you want primes) Panasonic 7-14 is a stunning lens for that range.
Like I said the 7-14mm is too much money for me(I’m a student) and I never said bright….3.5 is fine for me
+1
9mm f4 for less than $500.
unfortunately 3.5 means that they can’t make as much $ off you for selling “premium”
then fly to germany, buy it, fly back and save some kroner. prices in norway are ridiculous.
ha en fin tur!
10mm f4 pancake please
Hope for something really wide too. 7-14 can only be a distant dream 🙂
Yay? Looks like I have to put off plans for buying the 19mm and 30mm then!
Their 10-20mm made for m43 would be very nice indeed….maybe a little faster?
A m43 version of the sigma 400mm f5.6 and 105mm macro please 😉
Why these lenses are so interesting on F2.8 as we already have reasonably cheap and much brighter high quality primes?
Because the Sigma 30mm is the perfect focal length for indoor candids of people.
The Panny 20mm is too short and you get facial distortion. You also have to get right up into the face of the subject.
The Oly 45mm is too long.
The Sigma costs 1/2 the price of the 20mm and the 45mm.
The Sigma 30mm at 2.8 produces very nice bokeh.
Facial distortion has everything to do with you getting right up into the face of the subject.
Distance determines perspective, focal length only determines how you can frame a subject from a certain distance.
In other words, if you use the same working distance with the 20mm as with the 30mm, you have to crop a bit more to get the same framing and perspective.
That doesn’t change that the 30/2.8 is a very nice lens, and a very nice addition to the lens lineup of course.
What Sigma should bring first is a high performance 3.5/150mm. weather sealing would be a plus for such an outdoor lens
Harold
+1
And/or a 4/250 or 4/300
4/300 is exactly the lens that I’ve wanted Olympus to make forever.
+1
6-12/2.8 AF $600 P_L_E_A_S_E
17/1.4 AF $600
105/2.8 macro 1:1 $850
pancake prime 17/1.4 AF plz
+1∞ 🙂
Couldn’t agree more.
If those lenses are actually decent at their max aperture, not just technically usable, price might disappoint a few.
Specially that 6-12 zoom, $600 seems to me like a very aggressive pricing, let alone at f2.8.
WRONG: Sigma does NOT offer a single Four Thirds lens anymore! ALL of them are discontinued, as you can easily find out at http://four-thirds.org.
Which is a great shame, as neither Four Thirds nor Micro Four Thirds offer telephoto lenses beyond 300mm since Sigma has withdrawn their offerings.
It’s clear to me that you are a messy bunch of fools with no idea whatsoever of what Sigma *might* do.
Admin has messed too, because without the focals, we need to know what Sigma strategy is towards m4/3.
To supplement the native (O&P) range with NEW focals?
OR
To offer an cheaper alternative in the SAME range.
The latter is what happened with 4/3. However the management has changed so they might have a new industrial plan.
My private needs have nothing to do with what they *might* do. It is to have a good and small 35mm and 50mm equivalents, with no extreme performace, but good price.
The extremes I leave to *fools*
It’s clear to me that you are deliberately trying to offend people here so I will be precise…Your kind are not welcome here…if we want to make a wish list we can, for we have the freedom of choice which has been given to us, I don’t care for your talk I and don’t think anyone else does, so…with all due respect…get the hell out
thank you.
We can deal bro – don’t need forum police.
Wait until you meet camerageek. He makes amalric look super nice.
Yeah sorry…I swear I met the same person while beta testing firefall last night…just a little bit irritated by these real life actual a******s…who the hell are they to tell me what I should or shouldn’t do…
You like the word “fool”, don’t you?
I own a Voigtlander 25/0.95 and I’m not insane. My mother had me tested 😉
but will they make an exclusive lens for m4/3? from the business stand point, for them, is always more interesting to make something that they can optimize for several systems.
choosing the right focal length, making it the right size and making faster apertures can really increase the lenses sales and depending on it, it could be wiser to make exclusive lenses for m4/3.
Today yes, but if Canon actually do release a 43-sized sensor it is a given that sigma will release the same lenses for that mount too.
> The lenses are very good (and cheap) but bigger than they could be if they would have been designed for the m43 system only.
Well this is only a guess. *I* guess that there would not be a big difference in the size of the lenses (with these focal distances) if they were designed specifically for m43.
IMO there is a more important concern – optical aberrations. For instance, the lenses designed for an APS-C sensor are always relatively sharper on that format than on m43, at least in the critical central part of the image.
Indeed the 30mm and the 19mm have been rated quite well in reviews, so they are an absolute steal.
One factor is that they are telecentric, so no software correction. I wonder if the fools even know what the word means 🙂
Having a telecentric killer range (Leica-like) from Sigma with linear fast motors IMHO would do far more than having a few exotic teles.
However fast teles are needed, but I doubt that Sigma can provide them within the size and price constraints.
Telecentric does not mean free of spherecal or chrimatic aberrations. While you may wonder if other people know what telecentric means, it is totally evident that you don’t.
You are putting your words in my mouth. Didn’t mummy tell you when to stop wanking?
Just pronounce te-le-cen-tric while you KMA and it will make your job more effective 🙂
Here you have some nice explanation of what telecentric means:
http://www.edmundoptics.com/learning-and-support/technical/learning-center/application-notes/imaging/telecentricity-and-telecentric-lenses-in-machine-vision/
In case that link doesn’t work or is too difficult for you, try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecentric_lens
And please don’t come back until you know what you are talking about.
Actually it was you who said that because the lenses are telecentric there is no need for software correction. Im sorry but it is obvious you dont know what that means. It is ironic that you would make such a foolish comment after calling everyone else fools.
I am afraid it’s you who don’t understand. The two Sigma lenses for m4/3 have very little need to correct for CA. That can be obtained by good design.
The fact that they are, or believed to be telecentric, explains their v. good performance from edge to edge.
Conversely they are a bit bigger than firmware corrected lenses, but that’s the tradeoff.
Anything else?
A bit bigger, the Sigma 19mm isn’t just a bit bigger. Imagine they would design exactly the same lens but brighter, that thing would be huge compared to the Panasonic Software corrected 20mm 1.7.
You have to realize that the advantage of having m43 is the compactness, if size is the trade off, i’ll rather stick to the larger cameras.
“The fact that they are, or believed to be telecentric, explains their v. good performance from edge to edge.”
For as far as not needing shading compensation, yes. For axial CA telecentric is totally irrelevant, for lateral CA it is mostly irrelevant.
Bigger because of better correction? sure, different story.
But, if you actually had a clue as to what telecentric is, you’d know that.
well，you will know why panny send the 12一35 earlier before photokina。
Super zooms are coming! 🙂
noooooo…..wide anglessssss;-)
What about Wide Angle Superzooms?
hahaha +1
Hmm. We’re yet to see any third party zooms for m4/3. There is some uncharted territory there, since neither Sigma nor Schneider nor Cosina seem to have made software corrected lenses, which is almost a necessity in order to make a small zoom.
On the other hand, Sigma’s new APS-C 18-250mm is almost as small as Panasonic’s 14-140mm for m4/3. I guess Sigma could make a superzoom lens that is smaller than the two existing m4/3 ones.
“Sigma also offers a nice amount of Four Thirds lenses”
Sigma used to offer them. According to four-thirds.org, they’re all discontinued.
The Size of the 18-250 would be ok for me. If I could live with low-IQ of the 18-250 I’d rather have a more ‘super’ zoom, say 12-250 or 14-300 for 43rds for travel.
As I’m not a superzoom guy, I’d rather go with the 35-100 to supplement the 100-300.
Why do you not show the Sigma lenses in the scrolling camera and lens database at the top of the page? You are showing lenses from other non Panasonic/Olympus brands there, like the Noktor and Voigtlander.
Hope they bring the 105 mm macro or 150 mm f/2.8 macro to m4/3. If not they better create 17mm f/2. If they create zoom it better be 70-300 to compete with Olympus or at least 50 – 250. It’s nice to hear more lens coming for m4/3.
Buy used manual lenses and use them NOW.
I doubt native M4/3 lenses like that will appear any time soon.
I got my Nikon 105mm f2.8 macro from KEH. Excellent lens.
http://www.keh.com/camera/Nikon-Manual-Focus-Fixed-Focal-Length-Lenses/1/sku-NK06010200791N?r=FE
Here’s a 200mm f4 macro with internal focus.
http://www.keh.com/camera/Nikon-Manual-Focus-Fixed-Focal-Length-Lenses/1/sku-NK060000907500?r=FE
You could have them by Friday! 😉
An affordable Ultra Wide Angle Lens!!!!!!
P L E A S E Sigma do it!
My guess is they will release an ultrawide. This would not work on other systems so would have to be dedicated to mft. 10mm f4 could be possible!!
Just one request for Sigma — a 50-500mm zoom for both 4/3 and micro 4/3. Thank you very much.
– Olympius
Some NEX owners complain that the 19 and 30mm don’t focus v. fast, which is unheard at m4/3.
So perhaps there is some credit to the rumour that Sigma will make lenses dedicated to it.
Since they have very low prices that could be a small revolution for the format.
Consider however that those lenses were made for Sigma cameras in the first place.
are those telecentric?
Sure seems like Sigma and other value-for-money lens .akers would notice M4/3lens pricing after awhile. I don’t begrudge Panny and oly their “innovator’s premium” for awhile, but market theory claims that we consumers should see some price competition soon!
I have no problem with the size of my 19mm. My camera is for photography, not for collecting pocket lint.
I totally agree.
Look at the Oly 17mm. It isn’t nearly as sharp as the Sigma 19mm and suffers from bad barrel distortion.
but how about the Lumix 20/1.7?
Look at the reviews. The 19mm Sigma and the 20mm Panny are both nearly identically sharp in the center of the frame. The Panny 20mm has better sharpness on the edges, and is much brighter.
The Panny focuses much slower than the Sigma. The linear focusing motor in the Sigma is very fast.
The Sigma costs 1/2 the price of the Panny.
The comment from Al concerned size of the 19mm, you give the 17mm as example. The ONLY reason why I mentioned the 20/1.7 is because it quite shows that a lens of that focal length really doesn’t have to be big to offer very good quality.
I’m aware of the focus motor and price, but that really wasn’t what this was about now was it?
For me it was AF speed more than size that drove my choice. The 14mm was in consideration, but the FL was wider than I wanted. The 20 was just too expensive and was reputed to be slow.
I would love to see Sigma make some M4/3 specific lenses, but size is not my main consideration for lenses. My favorite lens is an old Yashinon 50/1.7. It’s big and heavy, but produces fine images. If I want small, my Industar 50-2 fills that niche.
Makes total sense to me, and usually size isn’t a big concern to me either (considering I use lenses like the zuiko digital 14-54mk2 and 50-200 on my E-M5 for example).
Compared to some of the very fast focusing lenses (like the 45/1.8), AF with the 20/1.7 is indeed slow, how slow depends quite a bit on the camera tho. While I find it quite usable for everyday use on my E-M5, AF speed of the latest crop of m4/3 lenses is simply from a different universe, and can do things like S-AF on relatively fast moving targets that won’t be possible with the 20/1.7.
My point to BB was that the size of the 19mm can’t be justified by comparing it to the 17mm/2.8 and pointing out how much better it is, because there is another pancake, closer to 19mm in focal length, that is much smaller, brighter, and better optically. Sure, there is a price to pay for that, in 2 different ways as BB and you point out correctly.
Anyway, I’m sure the Sigma lenses are a nice addition for many, and getting some more affordable lenses in the system is good for everyone. Lenses exclusively designed for m4/3 might be nicer still, because their design can be completely optimized for the system. Smaller image circle means less ‘light bending’ for a given focal length, which means less glass, but it also reduces the complexity of correction because you don’t have to correct for things that won’t be visible to begin with.
Don’t forget that the 20mm AF is very noisy. Essentially useless for video.
The Sigma 19mm AF is nearly silent.
since I hardly ever use video, thats totally irrelevant to me, and also totally irrelevant to the point I made. But indeed, for those who do video, this is a potential issue. Don’t forget the 20/1.7 is a lot brighter and hence much better for indoor use.
cheap 25mm 1.8 AF please, mr. sigma. <250$
cheap 10mm 3.5 AF also appreciated. <350$
🙂
I’ve never seen Sigma made one single dedicated Four Thirds lens, rather all have been warmed over designs from their APS-C brew.
Not even the Sigma designed three lenses with Olympus lables on them:
17.5-45mm/F3.5-5.6
18-125mm/3.5-5.6
70-300mm/F4.0-5.6
Why do I think, it’s not going to happen now either. Remember, Economy of Scale rules.
Keep ’em a little bit bigger and make ’em a little bit faster.
And drop the 19mm (it’s too close to the Panasonic 20mm) but introduce a 35mm (half way between the 25mms and the Olympus 45mm).
Sigmas ARE NOT avaiable in NX mount
I’d like to see a half decent affordable zoom from them, steal some of Panasonics constant f2.8 magic would do wonders for competition reasons. The 19mm and 30mm are quite well received, so I’ve got good hopes for this now.
pancake 14mm./f 1.4 400 $ (with AF no need foe stabilize)
A fast 17mm would be nice. The Olympus 17mm isn’t great at all.
I think the larger size of NEX lenses has less to do with the format they cover and more to do with the fact that NEX doesn’t allow software distortion correction. Everything has to be corrected in the design of the lens to begin with, and well-corrected lenses need lots of glass.
I don’t think any of us knows if Sigma or Schneider or Tamron or anyone except Olympus and Panasonic has direct access to the m4/3 protocols that tell the camera to correct for so my distortion. I’m not going to count on it. Expect big lenses.
Where are they??? It’s 0 news at Photonika for the mirrorless market from Sigma 🙁