As leaked by Digicameinfo the GX8 is a real deal. But you still have to wait a bit more for the announcement. Trusted sources confirmed the camera is scheduled for a late August/early September release.
While waiting to get some specs…what are the features you wish Panasonic will add on the camera?
—
For sources: Sources can send me anonymous info at 43rumors@gmail.com (create a fake gmail account) or via contact form you see on the right sidebar. Thanks!
To get notified on all upcoming news and rumors be sure to subscribe on 43rumors here:
RSS feed: http://www.43rumors.com/feed/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/43rumors
Twitter: https://twitter.com/43rumors
GooglePlus: https://plus.google.com/+43rumors/posts
Rumors classification explained (FT= FourThirds):
FT1=1-20% chance the rumor is correct
FT2=21-40% chance the rumor is correct
FT3=41-60% chance the rumor is correct
FT4=61-80% chance the rumor is correct
FT5=81-99% chance the rumor is correct
194 Responses
as far as i remember the gx7 was announced in September 2014
maybe they will announce the new gx8 in sept 2015 indeed.
… 2013 😉
Wikipedia says August 2013: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panasonic_Lumix_DMC-GX7
I got my GX7 in Oct 2013
I would like to see:
– Better EVF
– Microphone socket
– IBIS in video mode
– Built-in 4 stop ND filter
If Panasonic deliver 3 out of 4 of the above then I will pre-order. The GX7 is my favourite take everywhere stills camera. These features would make it a killer take everywhere video camera too. I am tempted by the EM5 Mark II at the moment, but holding on in the hope Panasonic deliver something competitive with beautiful video like the GX7.
#4 has 0.00001% chances.
G7 is video centric and doesn’t have it, so why would a rangefinder?
I’m just crossing my fingers that they keep the IBIS because Panasonic seems to be prioritizing 4K over it. 🙁
Like you I would prefer IBIS over 4K, but with all of Panasonic’s OIS lenses and their 4K push we might be out of luck =(
Well, an ND filter is helpful for photography (bright sunlight wide open and long exposures) and videography. It is such an elegant solution to have one in camera like they did on the LX7. Might be a chance for Panasonic to set this camera apart from the rest of their range, inline with Fuji’s X100 for example to make sure that market of photographers is catered for.
Isn’t this done with circular polarisers? Doesn’t it also handicap the camera by at least one full stop?
It’s normally done with normal ND filters. the LX7 and X100 allow you to switch between “clear/off” and “3 stops” from what I understand. It would be fantastic for run and gun filming and taking photos wide open in bright sunlight without having to have the very fastest shutter.
I see. It’s a piece of ND with fixed light reduction that slides in/out of the shutter. Typically 3EV.
I see the your point and the usefulness, but being something mechanic I don’t see much chances of it happening.
For me to buy it should have two things:
– next generation sensor
– better, bigger EVF
Otherwise it’s not a good enough upgrade over my GX7
You have to specify it clearly otherwise you don’t get what is deliver
New generation sensor can be 0.5 stop improvement over current sensor .
This camera is too far along its product cycle for anyone’s wishes to matter. It either comes with those improvements or it doesn’t.
Could also be 2 stops improvement…
2 stops would be wonderful but I expect at least 1 stop for minimum
requirement .
2 stops would be knocking on the door of current full frame cameras. Don’t expect that kind of performance for a VERY long time.
Yes, I wasn’t precise. 0.5 stops isn’t much, I probably would pass then. But I don’t expect a jump as big as the GX7.
Yes , GX7 users should expect “BIG” from the successor otherwise
who will upgrade ?
Such as GX1 to GX7 for example .
my condition.
if use improve sensor such as new cmos,bsi mos just compose IBIS 2stop.
if use Organic (new kind) ,i know pany make heatshrink for it. IBIS is unnecessary.
* others , make good factor ,4K on 16mp look so bad.i want 1 : X < 1.2
i want battery grip on RF style,that pany done on L1.
I don’t mind if there is a delay in GX8 but what I want to see is significant improvements over
current GX7 .
Below is my list of wish for GX8 :
* 1 Stop improvement in ISO performance over current GX7
* 14 ++ ELV in DR measurement
* More focusing areas ( 23 x 3 = 69 areas or more )
* Further improvement in IBIS
* Whether sealed as per the incoming a6100 likely to have
* EVF upgrade
follow by you,
1.ok i wish
2.good but on-date(gx7/gh4) still good.
3.i want new kind AF,non frame-rate calculate,it can calculate contrast after A/D digital data.your write that is Focus Zone.
4.i want 2stop i think more 2 become crop on sensor,that appear on olympus.
5.ignor my gx1 fall in water but still alive ,ha ha ha
6.EVF size equal G7 ,no tile that look good.
extend.
crop factor still and video 1:1 or least 1:1.2 ,read my top comment,how to make best factor.
-4k, 1080 @120fps, improved bit rate
-weather sealed
-5 axis IS
-small form factor
-larger viewfinder (still rangefinder placement)
-optional battery grip
-function buttons next to lens mount
That’ll do or starters!
10 bit on intern 0 8 15 codec…. do you coppy that the pricemarker for BMC KINERAW and AJA
is falling? so why should i give more than 199,- $ for oldfashioned gx8?
and if– 2017–after falldown of cameramarket i get it on ebay for 99,. it is old
and out… r.i.p..
Panasonic reads the marketing-novells of 2007.. canon, niko,… sony has ass full of mony..
bit later…
Sony has “as full of money”?
http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/05/with-sour-2015-forecast-sony-will-have-lost-nearly-10b-over-8-years/
Yeah, you keep thinking that…
I really can’t describe how smart you sound… You must have an IQ of 300 at least…
Apart from 4K and IBIS for video, I would like something that Olympus deprived their loyal customers of on a reasonably-priced body. Something not difficult to do. PDAF. Panasonic, too, have produced very good 43 glass. If Panasonic add PDAF, many many people will be delighted along with me.
Wish lists so far do not include increased resolution. I guess we’ve given up hoping for that.
And lest the usual reply is forthcoming “who needs it, it’s good enough as-is” the answer is that everyone else has it and customers therefore want it.
Without that the GX7 is still good enough for me, and other than that, minor feature updates just won’t motivate a replacement for me… especially since I know the GX8 price will plummet within 6 months, based on history.
Any MFT camera could benefit from features like less ISO noise, improved DR, more megapixels, IBIS, 4K, faster everything, better EVF, brighter display, better battery life… you name it. Better is just better! Plenty of room for improvement all-round and I have no idea what it will take to make the GX8 a worthwhile update. Admin should take some of the suggestions made by you guys here and make a poll – that way we can see what is most wanted 🙂 Hell, I’d love something as simple as true ISO 50.
I think 4K is mandatory since Panasonic is trying to “push” its usage on its latest cameras via 4K photo and so on. Also, I hope Panasonic will keep its idea of implementing IBIS on the GX line of camera for its convenience when using non-stabilized lenses. The IBIS effeciency can be improved from Mega IOS to Power IOS for instance + working during video. I really expect the EVF to become an OLED one instead of the current LCD.
just seems non one can do both 4k and IBIS otherwise the Sony A7s would have IBIS and the A7 m2 would have 4k –
I guess IBIS can be disabled during 4K recording although I’d rather not. Sensor size also matters and could be the reason why Sony FF cameras don’t do 4K internally while having IBIS.
It’s already disabled during 1080 recording on GX7 – we ought to be able to improve video spec to 4K even with no video IBIS.
I totally agree with you, video specs must be improved even if IBIS is not possible since 4K is also really useful for taking picture as Panasonic has showed us with 4K photo for instance ; I hope they will implement the same features as on the recent G7 e.g. Pre-burst and burst 4K mode.
Sony doesn’t have 4K internal on ANY camera yet. So no… Sony needs to first crack the code on internal 4K before they can also add IBIS to it. Panasonic is way ahead of them there, and could likely be the first to add IBIS and 4K together, though I am not that enthusiastic about the need for it.
If Panasonic wants the GX8 to be taken seriously, they need to have this camera weather sealed. No other feature clearly delineates the line between pro and consumer than the ruggedization of its camera bodies.
In addition, a megapixel boost would also express the perception of a higher quality, more pro-like product, despite whether it actually provides any significant gains.
Wait.. Leica’s aren’t weather sealed, neither are some Medium format cameras….
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH! Somebody’s in troublllllle….
I consider Rob Knight a pro. He shoots in all elements like rainforest, with the GX7. http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Lumix-GX7-GM1-Snapshots/dp/0321996402
Looks line non weather sealing didn’t stop him.
How old are you, 6?
12. Why?
12 is consider under age .
Therefore not qualify to make comments here .
You need to be at least 18 I believe .
Check with admin what the minimum age to comment in this forum .
LOL
If forced to choose between 4K and IBIS (and this seems a reality, given the G7) I’d go for IBIS.
A mighty extra would be 1080p120. A differentiation factor and a must IMHO.
totally agree for the GX8 – have the G7 and Gh4/5 soon for 4k – gx8 is moore of a range finder street shooter – stills
Olympus already has that covered. Panasonic is clearly pushing 4k for the edge over virtually everyone else.
Sorry but Olympus has got nothing covered when it comes to video. My jurassic GH2 still kicks the shit of the OM-5 Mkii when it comes to video @1080p and that’s why the Oly is still not an option.
But so does the GX7.
Where Panasonic has always pushed is in sensor binning modes and resulting IQ in video, not 4K specifically.
That’s why I say I’m more than happy with 1080p.
3 case for choos.
1.if that is Oraganic with careful heat saving, ibis & 4K will lose.
2.if new increase pixel,i want IBIS & 4K with high crop factor or not.
3.if no new sensor pany will design IBIS with micro copper pipeline transfer temperator
it must has 4K and IBIS,but same image quality.
Hi Agachart!
I see that you are probably not a native English speaker (and neither am I), but you need to try harder on this post. It’s really hard to understand what you were trying to say. Perhaps it’s also a matter of punctuation but I’m having trouble making anything of it.
Cheers.
you i am not English man,and i hate English
Yep. IMHO, keeping IBIS on GX8 would be a good choice, even at the expense of 4K. I don’t see anything bad in GX8 being more stills centric, especially after G7 brought us 4K below $1000 and is more of video-centric camera. And even without 4K, we all know GX8 will offer superior video quality in Full HD.
But if Panasonic wants GX8 to be a serious stills camera that’s competing with E-M5 II, it really needs to get rid of the 128 second limit on long exposures.
For me
Weather sealed
5 axis IS
Larger and better viewfinder
New sensor
IBIS in video mode (4K)
no one is able to do 4K and IBIS at this time otherwise Sony would have it in their A7 m2 for example so I expect it will have 4k but no IBIS
Sony is not able to do internal 4K even without IBIS…. See the A7S…
New sensor and 4k, the 16mp has been around too long, it’s time to replace it.
i agree but 4K and still image crop factor depend by sensor aspect and quantity of pixel.
i think 5K will be best choice.
Full sensor readout and then MP is not an issue for video IQ – see the NX1, RX100 and others.
NX1 had readout 6.8k(really?) and downscale to 4K that samsung promote on video had no crop factor.
Yes, the NX1 has a full sensor readout at 240fps, then downscaled to 4k in camera.
Also H265
1). 20-21MP sensor without AA + improved JPEGs colours
2). 14-16 DR + absolutely clean 3200iso + 14bit RAW
3). Larger EVF (RF type) with higher res
4). Improved IBIS (true 4 stops)
5). High Resolution Mode (for large landscape prints)
6). Weather-sealed
7). Improved AF-C + zone area + more focusinng AF points covering full frame
8). Higher grip with shutter release butt. placed on it (partly) + iso button near it
9). Front dial below shutter release button
10). 5-th Fn button placed at front body – close forefinger and lens mount
11). All 5 Fn buttons fully configurable (with any camera feature)
12). Four-way controller with all buttons that surround it moved higher
13). Seperated AF-L & AE-L buttons (with AF-L bigger)
14). Better battery – 500 shots
15). In camera RAW converter with RAW savings to 16bit TIFF
16). Thumb rest option
17). Small external Panasonic flash – similar to Fuji EF-X20 – I would resign from in-camera flash (to have place for i.e. exposure compensation dial).
New two primes:
Panasonic Leica Noctilux 12/1.7 (24mm equiv. in FF)
Panasonic Leica Noctilux 17/1.4 (35mm equiv. in FF)
No Noctilux but Summilux 🙂
that your wish possible,about sensor crop it’s will be 5K and we use downscale to 4K!
why? because 4K ~ 8mp on 16mp has much crop factor that bad.
5K must be 5120 x 3840 = 19,998,XXX that about 20mp that ok.
5K readout will be 5120 x 2880 can down to 4096/3860 make sensor full factor both still image and video.
others improvement about DR,ISO make me interest but my major interest is full factor sensor,please pany.
What I want from the GX-8:
-Form factor and looks from the LX100
-Black body in the USA
-FULL manual controls like the XE2.
-Better battery.
-Last but not least, an APS-C organic sensor, with 3 new Primes, 16mm, 35mm and 58mm
ROFL
Hang on… you were serious?
impossible GX still support M4/3 lens,if pany bulid new format they will call new model
such as Vericam 35 /super 35mm sensor with 4K record.
That’s the Whole Point…. Join Fujifilm or Leica’s new APS-C system.. Their choice.
seems you should just buy a Fuji x-t1 – no organic sensor for some time
FULL manual controls? For a high-end DSLM?! OMG, such a high expectation! 😀
Mic input! Mic input! Mic input! Mic input! Mic input! Mic input! . i can live without a headphone jack and would like a headphone jack. Real time video out too.
You want a video centric cam, not a rangefinder stills camera. Get a GH4.
Or even a G7.
That P.O.S. mic input on the GH4 is not worth the extra $800.
I agree an audio input is needed, but not the low grade 1/8″ mic input that plauges digital cameras. An add on that connects to the hot shoe or external battery grip is the way to go. That way people like CN don’t have to buy it if they don’t want it.
I own GH4 and GX7.
High qual audio is had through the YAGH interface. 1/8 mic is all you’ll ever get in a consumer cam. And alternative is the hot shoe mic Panny has advertised with the G7. Either way, the GX8 should not and will not be tailored as a video camera.
I am an audio professional so let’s not waste time attempting to educate me on the subject.
That ” hot shoe mic” you are referring to plugs in to an 1/8″ jack just like dozen of other hot shoe mics on the market plus it’s 3 years old.
I am suggesting is what Sony is doing. Google the XLR-K2M. It works with A7s (pro) and RX10 (consumer) cameras and some others. The audio connections are through pins on the hot shoe. It’s a reasonably priced accessory that can can be added if desired. You don’t want it so don’t buy it. It’s optional. GET IT?
The YAGH is heavy, expensive, requires external power and I have no need for the SDI/ HDMI outputs. The recent reduction in price leads me to believe it’s not going to work with GH5. Not a good investment even at its current price.
The notion that the GX8 should not be used for video is rediculous. My GX7 shoots beautiful images. If I could get decent audio in to it that would be all I ever would need. Many of us believe manufacturers cripple low end products to get consumers to buy the pro line. I’m not falling for that.
We’re stuck with recording audio on a separate device and syncing in post. More batteries, more data cards, more weight, more cables more time….It doesn’t have to be that way.
Panasonic’s success is largely due to the video shooters who realizes the potential of the GH2. If I were interested in a stills only camera I would probably buy something else.
Jeff, you are a photography enthusiast on the internet like the rest of us. The GX series is a still priority camera and will never be a video centric product. Get over yourself.
This isn’t about me or you so please let’s not get personal.
Clearly you are not interested, and that’s fine, but others might be.
We use our camera in different ways. My GX7 is most often used as a second angle to my GH4 so for me I’d say yes it IS a “video centric” device and it is always in my kit as a backup. Another feature it has is the ability to record past the 29:59 time limit. You won’t find that in any other camera in it’s class. This more than any other reason is why I dumped my Canon DSLR and “L” lenses for micro 4/3. I don’t need 4K or a new sensor or a new EVF or a new display. Just a damn audio input.
Mine is a simple and reasonable request since the hard part is already done. A/D convertors and the rest of the audio circuitry/firmware exsist on ALL these cameras. All that is missing is a $2.00 physical hardware connection from the outside. This simple addition doubles the value of the product for consumers and pros alike. Capturing a child’s musical recital with quality audio better preserves the true beauty of the moment. Why deny us that?
Like this conversation started, you might get a 1/8 mic input on the GX7, you might not. It’s not a video camera so dont expect it. You have the G7 if you need a backup.
And if you don’t want a comment directed at your claims of personal experience, dont boast about your personal experience. Like I said, get over yourself.
PS, if it’s so simple to include a “$2 part”, go ahead an make a camera yourself.
– IBIS
– 4K features
– New improved sensor
– Compact stylish form factor
– Articulated screen
Price Rumors ?
1 million quid
I have no info, but based on the G7 price – $799 , which was $50 more than the G6, I assume the GX8 will be around $1000 – $1100 (body only)
hope it’s styled ergonomically like the LX100. Has a large “fixed” EVF and retains the tilt screen (leave articulated to G7). Maybe improve battery, high ISO, and remove AA filter.
I agree with you, tilt EVF is a fail
Nicer EVF. Nicer haptics (buttons/dials on GX7 feel platicky and cheap to me)
– 4K
– new sensot
– higher resolution
– better DR
– cleaner high ISO
– cleaner low ISO
– 16:9 video with no crop
– as great as the a6000
– price same as the a6000
– focus as fast as the a6000
– look as great as the a6000
– XAVC recording, better codec
– 3:2 sensor
– apsc sensor
– zeiss lenses
– a sony logo
Keep dreaming Sony fangirl…
I think the incoming a6100 fit your highlighted criteria more .
GX8 is not for you , go & wait for your a6100 .
“Retro” ergonomics for A, S, ISO, EC, focus (like LX100 and Fuji). IBIS (preferably 5-axis). IQ and low light performance at least on a par with GH4 (I don’t dare to hope for a new improved sensor or processor). Ditto for focusing speed (and accuracy) and burst rate. improved e-shutter performance to better counter rolling shutter effects. Weather sealing. As small as possible, and definitely not bigger than the LX100 or the Oly EM2. Pop-up evf (at least same specs as GH4), so that smaller camera size does not come with a penaly either in the size of the evf or in the size of the back screen. In fact: a tiny, midget, pocket version of the GH4 (or better). Otherwise, thank you very much, I will stick to my GM1.
Do you want it to make coffee for you too? I mean, lets be serious… you want a DSLR camera in the body of an LX100? I think you’ll have to stick with the GM1 for much much longer.
?? ?
LX100 and PM2 have a 4/3 sensor (the crop in the LX100 is due to the lens). PM2 has IBIS. LX100 has “retro” ergonomics. A pop-up evf fits even inside a Sony RX100. 4K video might be a problem (although BMCC offers that too – admittedly from an 1″ sensor) – but I never said that I would want a GX8 to rival the GH series in terms of video performance. And I remember that I had been shouting for something like the GM1 for years and everybody was telling that it is impossible and do I also want it to make coffee? Well, the GM1 happened and, no, coffee making is optional.
Having said that, I do concede that probably I will have to stick with the GM1 for a couple o years – but only because Panasonic may fear that a miniature will either not sell well, or cannibalize the GH series sales, or because we are at least two years away from the necessary miniaturisation technology. Coffee making is still entirely optional 🙂
… oh, and part of what I wish (but do not hope) to see is higher dynamic range and true 16 bit imaging, all the way, from the sensor to the RAW file. I would gladly trade an increase in megapixels for that.
I’d be super happy if it got rid of: 1. the ridiculous shutter sound the GX7 has; 2. the protruding tiltable EVF the GX7 (come on, make it almost flush with the back of the freaking camera!); And would be good if it had 3. definitely higher EVF resolution, cause the one of the GX7 sucks. And change the aspect ratio…; 4. better IBS; 5. better ergonomics and position of buttons; 5. better battery management; 6. Better visualization of histogram; 7. smaller fonts for the menu.. gosh, having to scroll 7-8 pages in each menu is crazy.
I agree. The titling evf is ok, a bit gimmicky really, but it makes the camera almost 50% wider than the Gx1. The Gx7 just won’t fit in a pocket even with the 20mm, unlike the GX1.
I hope they don’t make the camera or the grip any bigger.
I’ve found the tilting viewfinder extremely useful in various situations, especially shooting church ceilings and from a tripod.
A fully articulating screen like on Em5ii or gh4 is better than a tilting evf if using a tripod.
I prefer to compose shots via viewfinder whenever possible, especially outdoors in bright sunlight.
Haha, for most of the shooting I do, my GX7 doesn’t have any shutter sound at all…
GX7 have 2 type of shutters ( you know what I mean ) .
That is for different purpose of shooting .
Spend some time on the mechanical shutter , the one with sound ,
& hopefully you get the advantage of this shutter beside the electronic
shutter as well .
I hope they don’t sacrifice IBIS for 4k. If they do you might as well just buy a GX7 at half the price and get a 2 stop advantage at higher shutter speeds.
I think they will as all the manufacturers seem to be unable to control heat – Sony A7s and Samsung NX1 and NX500 and GH4 G7 none have IBIS – I would rather keep the GX8 as a street shooter and focus more on Stills and have the G7 and GH4 as the 4k machines – I would love to see the GX8 with 5 axis IBIS as the OMD-EM5/1 and Sony A7 m2 and most likely the new Sony A6100 – but knowing Panasonic they will want to show of their 4k tech –
4K + DFD is a killler feature also for sill shooters. Just take a look on Bence Máté’s nature shots extracted from 4K video stream.
Without IBIS it makes sense for users primarily concerned with photography to just buy an EM5 as an EM5 would probably take better photos under all circumstances especially at high shutter speeds.
Serious video user will go for a GH3/GH4/G7 or even GH5.
– New generation sensor: 20MP, 1 stop better DR and noise levels
– new processor
– really effective IBIS that also works for video
– DFD AF: improved AF-C and tracking ability
– Built-in ND filter
– GPS
– High resolution mode (50 MP), handheld would be great
– Customizable Auto ISO for stills and movies
– Multi-shot Noise Reduction option
– 4K videos/modes if possible
– 10 fps or more continuous shooting with AF-C and Live View
– Larger magnification EVF, like Olympus E-M1 or Fuji X-T1
– Magnesium body, don’t need weather sealing
– Bluetooth
– 800 € body
If Panasonic releases this kind of camera, Canon and the other companies would
become pale as a sheet!
Love your list – but unfortunately I do not think Panasonic can deliver it all –
I suspect NO new sensor –
Possibly a new processor
I suspect they will Remove IBIS in order to offer 4K – some reason they cannot do both
No GPS – it drains to much battery – better to do GEO tagging in post
Possibly multi shot Noise Reduction
4K video for sure and most likely 4k modes like in the G7
DFD for sure – but I would rather see Phase Detect on sensor as DFD no go for Oly lenses
I think 8 fps in AF-C mode max
New EVF – same as on G7
No weather sealing
No Bluetooth
Body $1099
( the GX8 is a competitor to the OMD-EM5 which goes for that price )
I hope they keep the looks but maybe a bit deeper grip – Touch LCD etc – Flip LCD –
I think we will have to wait another 2 years for a new sensor – the Organic sensor which they are working on with Fuji – So highlight will be 4K with 4k modes like that of the G7 but unfortunalty I think they will remove IBIS which is a crying shame
They can’t really remove IBIS once they’ve offered it, or they’ll loose those costumers that bought non stabilized (long) lenses to Olympus.
Wow, that’s some unrealistic wishes.
I have a simpler request of Panasonic. Add a proper BULB mode. It’s pretty ridiculous that a camera at that price can’t do such a simple photographic task as long exposures. This was exactly the reason I’ve chosen E-M10 over GX7.
What are you talking about?
I’m talking about 128 second limit on exposure on most Panasonic bodies. As far as I’m aware, only GH line does not have this limitation.
Just in time for the summer season in the northern hemisphere . . . oh, wait . . .
I’d really like to have one for this summer (North America), but hopefully it’s worth the wait.
Hoping for :
– Much better IBIS working in videos.
– More flush and better quality EVF.
– Improved AF-C and tracking.
– Same sensor as GH$ with improved processing
– Fully articulated screen
– Better Wifi/BT functionality
– Better battery life
– Similar if not better durable body
– Faster max shutter speed.
Wishing for beyond the above:
– New generation sensor with better low light performance(less noise)
– Much higher powered inbuilt flash that is actually useful
– Better EVF
– Weather sealing
– Bit more buttons with better placement.
– Slightly better one handed grip
Also, similar pricing as GX7 at launch. ie, about 800 USD body
Longer battery life would be really great.
minimum shutter speed setting in Aperture prioriy
working wifi not like GX7
working panarama not like GX7
No new sensor, no buy
Sure .. sure .
This time must have .
Whatever the specs will be, I think it’s a safe bet that there will be the same recycled 16MP sensor. Hope I’m wrong….
You are wrong…
It’s gotta have an upgraded sensor. I cant think of anything else they can add to it over the G7 except a rangefinder body.
Fall is a good time for many. Either a new GX8 …or a discounted A7ii.
I tend to agree.
Without a new sensor, what could they offer over a GX7? 4K + IBIS in video would be significant if they could make it happen. But that seems like a big challenge to me and one that we might not expect a more stills-focused line like the GX to tackle first.
Maybe 3 or 5 axis IBIS is in fact it. I just dont think Panny is going down that road. They have very good OIS.
This “upgraded” sensor can be easily just the one from GH4 – I give fairly low chances for a breakthrough change in Panasonic sensor technology by August. This big step will be preserved for GH5.
No way an upgraded GH4 sensor for GX8 can be accepted .
It don’t worth for GX7 upgrade at all !
It is very likely to happen only few folks here still believe in miracles. The E-M5 II uses the same sensor as former camera and the GX8 will share the same fate on Panasonic side. If Panasonic use the newer sensor it will be nice step. We will see 🙂
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the GX7 was the first Panny camera to include the current “flagship” MFT sensor.
In terms of DR and ISO all the current MFT cameras have a sensor with the same IQ as a $200 E-PM2. Maybe the GX8 will only be upgraded with DFD AF abilities. But I’m thinking a new sensor is probable.
Give it full time IBIS that would be good enough for me.
Improved weather sealing, lose the tiltable EVF, increase the base ISO DR, higher resolution EVF, improve the battery life, etc., etc. would all be icing on the cake.
How much of an improvement would it be if they put the GH4 sensor in the GX8?
It wouldn’t be an improvement at all….
Until some weeks ago, I thought they had the same sensor. I think it’s probably the same tech anyway, just a bit refined for the GH4.
Less than 0.25 stop due to refinement
but don’t ever think about it cause it will not going to happen .
-15% of high ISO,
you find studio test on dpreview look GX7 better than GH4 in term high ISO
-lowest ISO 50
-IBIS
-weahtersealing
-larger viewfinder compared to gx7
-new sensor…
But most important LAUNCH A NEW 100-300 !!!
Listed in order of strongest desire:
Better ISO/ better sensor
More powerful WIFI w/ longer range (selectable dual mode: low power & long range settings)
5 axis IBIS w/ video support
Extra programmable buttons
Hybrid Autofocus
Larger & higher res viewfinder, tilting is nice.
20MP
4K video
Microphone jack
…Same battery as the GX7 would be nice to preserve my investment in batteries.
20MP no-AA
4K with cine gamma
Hires mode a la EM-5 II
DDF
Improved IBIS
Highlight priority exposure mode
Taller flash extension
Auto ISO available in M mode.
Fixed panorama mode (stitching/banding) and selectable color scene in panorama mode
Mic input
Reduced shuttershock
Streamlined WiFi UI
“Go to sleep” button combo
Thinner less chunky back to GX1 size.
we have the GM1 and GM5 –
I have the GM1. I love it. But its almost unnecessarily too small. The flash sync speed is too slow. GF2/GX1 were the perfect size. GX7 is way too chunky and is the same size as an A7 with similar lens (PL 25 f1.4 / Sony 55 f1.8 or Oly 17 f1.8 / Sony 35 f2.8)
I do likewise still have my GX1 and yes it was a nice size – I liked the metal buttons – but of course the LCD was not that nice etc etc –
I suppose with more powerful processors etc they need more space inside – especially also if LCD will be Flip or Tilt – I am Ok with the size on GX7 – just wish the grip was a bit better shaped – when I hold my GX7 body only vs my Olympus EM5 and Em1 and Sony A6000 NEX7
and Fuji X100s then It feels light – I hope they do not mess to much with the body and dials – except change material on dials – I think the GX1 is a bit better in the hand than the LX100 – but of course the LX100 is metal and has larger processors etc – I agree that the GM1 and Gm5 are a bit on the small size – If Panasonic is removing IBIS then the lenses will be larger and heavier as they will need IS – I just love using the Olympus lenses like the 45mm and 75mm but they do not have IS so IBIS is needed – of course the A7 has the large hump which the GX7 does not have and makes a huge difference when putting in a camera bag or coat pocket – so much nicer then the Fujis and Oly’s and the A7’s in that respect –
So maybe they can shave a little bit of the with – but there has to be a decent grip and you cannot go to small
My prediction, which has been typical of m43 over the last year.
New Sensor- GH4 sensor lol
New body- Bigger camera than before, approaching APC/A7 Size, but “better handling” lol
ugraded EVF – same as GH4
New DFD – Same as GH4
4K – Look you can now have 100 8Mpix stills from that video of an old lady crossing the street.
Improved by 2 fps
Faster E-shutter – /16000 probably
All for the reasonable price of £1000 GPD. – Snap it up now!
“But you can buy a GX7 now for £500?”
“Shut your mouth you DSLR fanboy!”
*********** ************ ************* **************** ************ *********
Meanwhile back a Pansonic HQ
Panasonic – Sales down, less market share – solution “A new Selfie Cam the GF8 and a new 45mm lens that costs over
Meanwhile in 2015 December
Buy a GX8 half price and £100 cashback for christmnas
GX7 is already APC/A7 sized
Yes I know, it’s that EVF makes it almost 50% wider than my old GX1.
In fact the A6000 body, is APS-C sized , has better IQ, costs less and is smaller than the GX7
http://camerasize.com/compare/#535,472
I think the GX7 has better build quality, evf and screen but overall a6000 is a better option, also I suspect the a7000 will better than a6000 in these areas and may even have the 5 axis IS from A7ii.
be warned, moderator is not gonna like your comment.
I don’t like yours….
There will be no A7000, Sony wants you to buy A7 instead.
Likely not in 2015 but Sony might make a U turn in 2016 .
Who know ?
GX7 also offers better AF in low-light.
Sony A7000, if ever released, will probably cost much more than the a6000… even more than the GX8…
Rumor has it that it will not be much more than the A6000 – and I expect it to be A6100 as the 7 denotes more Pro like the A7/s/r are – I just think Panasonic and Olympus and Fuji have lost out by their hi prices compared to the A6000 – and sales numbers prove it – just look at Amazon top mirrorless sales numbers
Why anyone would buy a APS sony is beyond me. The only reason to be forced into that scant overpriced lens ecosystem is because of the full frame sensor.
You can talk…. Also m43 bodies and lenses are overpriced….
CNN, nothing in mirrorless world is as overpriced as the sloooooooooow Sony 24-240.
can add most of the FE lenses in that class – they are clever to keep bodies at a low price but get it back in few and costly Zeiss branded and G branded lenses
You can buy a new GX7 cheaper than the A6000 and the A6000 is barely smaller; with lens, it is effectively bigger. Also, you forgot that the GX7 has IBIS, touch capable LCD, faster shutter, faster flash sync, silent mode, geotagging via phone’s gps, etc.
Basically, you can’t really say the A6000 is better; it would depend on one’s needs. I had the option of going with the A6000 when it came out, but bought the GX7 instead.
I wonder how the EM5 MkII is doing sales wise. That would show whether these cameras are overpriced or not
check http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Compact-System-Cameras/zgbs/electronics/3109924011/ref=zg_bs_nav_e_3_281052
Sony dominates at Amazon – the A6000 does really well – and rightly so – for APS-C sensor and features and fast AF tracking the price is very nice –
I really think the Olympus OMD-Em5 m2 is overpriced and the GX7 was overpriced for a long time – I also think the Fuji X-E2 is overpriced –
I hear that the Sony A6100 coming soon will be around $650 body only and $799 with kit lens – I do suspect that the GX8 will be $1099 body only and $1299 with kit lens – So I think Sony will continue to dominate –
I still prefer a GX8 if it is GX7 with a bit deeper grip and 5axis IBIS and phase detect on sensor and other improvements – much nicer lens selection for M43 –
I hate to think that the GX8 will not have IBIS as I am sure they will put 4K in it –
They seem not be able to do both – I would prefer IBIS over 4k – keep the G7 as the affordable 4k and G4 / G5 Pro 4K machine – keep the GX8 as a super Still shooter – put 4k in when they know how to do 4k and IBIS –
All camera manufacturers are facing the problem of declining sales from competition from iphone and this will be reflected in the new models they do or don’t produce. I assume the Amazon best seller list is reflecting only sales in US with Amazon? Yes the GX7 was priced higher than the A6000 as uses a metal body as compared to plastic. As noted the A6000 has many good features and is compact with its small kit lens but the lack, cost, IQ, and size of additional lenses is problematical. The Oly OMD5 also very compact with new small lens is doing very well inspite of lessor 3 axis IBIS and poor IQ of lens compared to Pany small 12-32 kit lens on GM GF series.
To keep manufacturing costs down and still keep the size down I think that Pany will use the LX100 metal body for the 4K and AF capability but that would mean dropping the IBIS and inbody flash. Or Pany will continue to offer the GX7 as well as produce a new model based on LX100 body.
Oh, we have a camera market expert….
Were you a “Marketing Man” at Panasonic and you have been fired?
Very good 🙂 (And somewhat tongue in cheek I hope!) 🙂
You missed a bit from Panny HQ though:
Marketing 1: “Perhaps we should forget the 4K and make a great camera that the stills photographers will love, like the GX7 but with improved features like better IQ – including 14bit RAW, better EVF, better IBIS and a quieter shutter with a higher burst rate?”
Boss1 + 2 in unison: “Don’t be ridiculous – everybody wants 4K!”
4K is the most over-hyped “innovation” I have seen pushed in recent times. UNLESS you’re a film maker of course. Which I’m not. I don’t want to pick through countless frames of video in the hope of pulling a 8mp still out either. Good 1080P is fine for general use video clips, which the GX7 already does. Mic in is a nice option, maybe, but again it’s mainly the video crowd that would want it.
The G7 has the “budget film maker” side covered. How about continuing the stills side of things in the GX8, Panny? Choice is good………
The GX7 is really a very good camera. Many suggestions here are very reasonable (better sensor, better IBIS, etc). The one thing I haven’t seen mentioned specifically is the 16:9 EVF. It is just too weird for stille shooters. Please go to a 3:3 or 4:3 OLED EVF.
I meant 3:2 or 4:3
I really don’t think GX8 will have a new sensor like 20mp or more.
The GX8 will be like an LX100 with mount. Maybe they left the tiltable EVF for a bigger one like the GH4 with 3:2 format.
Very funny. The LX100 is the GX7 minus mount and plus 4k. The only thing that might make it into the GX8 are the dials.
A 4:3 EVF !
along with the expected improvements to all of its current features, perhaps removing the 2 minute limit on bulb exposure, and weather sealing. I expect 4K video to be added, but what about adding 1920 x 1080 @ 120P and 1280 x 720 @ 240P. That should make its video capabilities really interesting. wishful thinking perhaps? 🙂
Agree.
At least 30 min. limit Bulb is a must.
And a like Olympus “Live Bulb” function would be welcome.
New tech 20MP Multi-aspect sensor.
Guessing…probably GH4 sensor/processor, improved OLED EVF from new G7. brighter LCD screen from G7. Hope it is more stills related…IBIS over 4k….tilt over articulated…styled after LX100.
IBIS over 4K, agree wholeheartedly. Hope they kee the tilting evf also, as it’s a unique feature. Also hoping for a sensor breakthrough with this model.
Keep the IBIS. Please keep the IBIS. I love having it on the GX7.
Why not ask for improve / upgrade the IBIS as good as Oly’s 5 axis instead of
retain it ?
if keep ibis use same sensor.
if remove ibis use Organic sensor(with huge Heat sink).
chosen one????
Organic sensor with amazing resolution and dynamic range, 4K video, same body style, but weather sealed, faster focus tracking. No pressure.
all i know,Organic still produce high temperature and drain power,
if you want Organic plus 4K will be damage image sensor suddenly.
It’s matter of time to unlock it .
Maybe not in 2015 but in 2016 .
Or in 2017’s breakthrough .
I afraid we have to wait for that stuff completely ready in 2017 .
That means for GX9 .
Please I’d have a question:
As a G5 owner, I have three DMW-BLC12E batteries.
Now I see that G7 uses the DMW-BLC12PP battery.
They both have same specs: 7.2V 1200mAh 8.7Wh.
Will I be able to use the G5 batteries on G7 ?
Thank you very much.
Paolo
not sure where you saw G7 battery specs…but on a good note…the two batteries I have for my G5 are the 12pp versions.
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/0437127800/hands-on-with-the-panasonic-lumix-dmc-g7?slide=12
pic n. 12 for G7 batteries.
mmhhh my G5 batteries are 12E type, maybe they sell those only in europe? Or they are more or less similar?
Thanks a lot
Honestly, IBIS is only OK for video not great. The reason? It creates a weird warble visual effect that just looks strange. Why not just get a very small steady cam like the XCAM Sabre mini? Its VERY small, and the stabilization from using it looks waaaay more natural than what any IBIS could provide for video.
I do have a hw stabiliser, but it’s always a nuisance and time consuming to mount and adjust (the GH2 tripod slot is centered on the lens but decentered when it comes to weight), plus it’s not always available.
Are you talking about the OM5 Mk2? I’ve seen a lot of videos and they surely seem to have fixed the wobble. I even hardly ever see any symptoms of rolling shutter.
My issue is with they sensor readout. It subsamples heaviliy and thus leaves much to be desired both in resolution and in PSNR (which shows massively in low light).
– 12bit and no time restrictions with electronic shutter
– IBIS, also working while composing
– DFD (should be a no brainer)
it must be 14bit color eletronic
Radio TTL flash system integrated
would be nice – but I suspect it is not a big ticket item as not many are using it for studio or Pro work – I find that TTL is not always that practical – like having the camera select where to Focus in Auto Mode 🙂 a big hit and miss – so I use just manual mode –
I use now Godox v850 flashes – just awesome – they come with a wireless trigger and you can adjust flash output remotely with trigger in hot-shoe and price is also great –
You should be able to find the flash and trigger set for around $125-$150 and the greatest thing is they do not use AA batteries that run out so quick – they have an awesome recharge battery like cameras – last well over 500 shots at half power and there is NO Recharge time between shots in half power or less and a 1.5 second in full power – just awesome – so no my Canon and Bolt and Panasonic flashes just collect dust – by able to adjust power remotely who needs TTL –
Vastly improved battery life. Or, failing that, allow charging in camera via USB like the Sony cameras. Oh, and whatever needs to be done to improve high ISO performance. Clean ISO 6400 would be awesome, especially if they make an improved IBIS.
Make it a dedicated stills camera too, and forget 4K.
make it cheaper than a6000 then I may buy one
I think that should be the aim – it is a M43 vs the A6000 is APS-C size – granted Panasonic gives us more features and that should be the selling point – So far Sony A6000 has ruled sales and I suspect mostly because of price and of course it is a very capable camera – Panasonic needs to up the game and keep price at least the same if not lower –
Yawn. boring and meaningless GX8 rumor.
I dreamt tonight the GX8 had been released, and they had not improved the EVF. I was very disappointed.
hope you have a better dream tonight 🙂 my bad dream is that they will remove IBIS as it will have 4k – I have a feeling my dream will be a reality – unfortunately
nightmare before christmas ,
bad before good
A sharp sensor without AA filter , not like the poor GX7 sensor
Ibis in video
24 megs
Removing AA filter only gives an illusion of sharpness – what you perceive as sharpness are in fact aliasing artifacts. Deliberately destroying the image is not my favorite thing.
EM1 had better IQ, and no AA
Interesting comment – my first experience with a camera with no AA as my Fuji X20 – and I still love the X20 – of course I wished Fuji had put a 1 inch sensor in the X30 as it is even bigger – but I just have not experienced what you describe as images being destroyed – I find the opposite –
E-M5II may be the camera for all of you. By shifting the sensor you have full color information at every pixel. If the lens out-resolves 40MP any resulting moire will still be free of any color artifacts. Best of both worlds.
I love the GX7, i used it all the time hope the new GX8 will have:
-clean HDMI out
-3.5 mm mic connection
-4K
-Zebra
-Water and dust protection
-Bigger viewfinder
-digital rangefinder focus system (for fast manual focus)
-no plastics
-just a little smaller (not to small)
-3:2 EVF full but also 16:9 option
-new sensor with higher iso less grain
-improved silenced shutter speed
i prefer one camera for all work (4K video and photo’s) otherwise i need to buy the G4
and i prefer to travel compact.
20 mpx + 5 axis + GH4 EVF to rule them all.