(FT4) Two anonymous sources contacted me to say that the camera with the codename “TRAD2” is the new “Olympus E-P5“! And this is a premium camera that comes in black, silver and white. And it’s true that there will be two kits, one with the new 17mm f/1.8 lens and one with the 14-42mm.
(FT2) I have been told by one new anonymous source that the E-PL6 has only little improvements over the actual E-PL5.Still no trusted sources confirmed that rumor yet. So it’s FT2 only (see ranking explanation on bottom of this post).
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Reminder: The E-PL5 is currently discounted in USA:
Olympus cameras:
– E-PM2 body for $399 at Amazon, Adorama and BHphoto. That’s $50 off!
– E-PM2 with kit lens for $449 at Amazon, Adorama and BHphoto. That’s $50 off!
– E-PL5 body for $499 at Amazon, Adorama and BHphoto. That’s $50 off!
– E-PL5 with kit lens for $549 at Amazon, Adorama and BHphoto. That’s $50 off!
Olympus lenses:
– Olympus 14-150mm for $499 at Amazon, Adorama and BHphoto. That’s $100 off!
– Olympus 9-18mm for $599 at Amazon, Adorama and BHphoto. That’s $100 off!
– Olympus 17mm f/2.8 for $199 at Amazon, Adorama and BHphoto. That’s $100 off!
And from all these new offers the 9-18mm lens seems to be the most sold according to Amazon Ranking.
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May oly will use all 16mpx sensor,
what is something different BTW epl and TRAD2.
new epl may update to use WIFI/Bluetooth or NFC against to GF6
Admin, any specs of this (FT5) E-P5? Cheeeeeers…
no viewfinder, same OMD sensor.
no viewfinder = no purchase
+1
If the EP-5 has a viewfinder built in I will buy it. If not I probably wont.
no viewfinder.
Admin, any news about an all new (Epson) Olympus 2MP+ VF-5 external EVF?
André
Coming. Model number is wrong though.
Thanks, O. Interesting.
André
E-P5 as premium sounds good – but why without EVF??
Will it have an articulating screen?
It would be really interesting to know the specs of the ep5. I don´t know whether I should buy the omd now, or wait for the ep5 or even omd 7 (or 6?)…
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Specs are not known at this point. Expect an improvement of the ep3, better sensor etc. no integrated evf.
Admin, there is a FT5 ranking for the EP5 ion the title, but a FT4 ranking in the full text.
I hope the EP5 is weatherproof and without touchscreen. That’s because I want a camera to dive with. If it is then the Blackmagic Pocket camera for video and the EP5 for stills might make a nice pair. Any ideas about that, Admin?
I have no info about that yet…
An so it came to pass that the next 3 generations of Pens, OMDs and EPs will henceforth use the same old EM5 sensor.
Given that Oly does NOT make sensors, what sensor are they supposed to use?
Does Sony suddenly have a better sensor? (answer: no)
Fuji X-Tran?
Back to Panny Sensors?
Canon weak DR sensor?
There is no new sensor, and one is not needed. It’s time to concentrate on ergos and lenses.
may next 3 generation from E-M5 oly still use OM-D sensor ,oh so boring,
solution ,oly will plan manage outsource chip-maker for belong to image-sensor tech.
Sony will replace NEX-5N 16mpx by A58 20mpx in next – genration NEX,that only tiny upgrade with 1/2 stop DR,
little better NOISE reduction .
X-Trans || with PDAF ?? i saw next X-PRO had same X-E1 sensor and dual image processor!!!
no new tech from fuji.
To justify it´s price the ep5 should have some interesting features – like 5-axis ibis and tiltable touch-screen (that would be enough for me to buy it). And I wonder what the next Omd would gain to the current model. New sensor, bette evf?
Surely the E-P5 will have the 5 axis IS? As much as they charge for it if it doesn’t have that I doubt it will sell well. Even with it, I doubt it will sell well- unless the price with 17mm is particularly tempting. It’ll basically be the same price as OMD, but lack the evf, weather sealed build, etc.
The E-P5 will be an E-M5 with no built in EVF, which to me is a shame. However if one can use the VF-2 across cameras, it’s a way to keep the price down. Will it have 5 axis or 2 axis? I don’t care although the 5 axis must be a battery eater.
Kit wt. 17/1.8 is great_ means that Oly understand that Pens are streetshooters.
I am really in a quandary if to get that or the E-M5, and keep perhaps the E-P2.
At least the firmware (for E-M5) from 1.5 onwards made a nice difference with IBIS noise & battery usage.
New kit option with 17mm f/1.8 is very interesting. Just what I need. I actually just sold my 20mm Panny, I just got tired of slow and unreliable focusing on my E-P1.
I hope they will adapt 4:3 lcd screen with better pixel density.
Waiting on olympus…
f2.8 zoom please!!!
PEN camera with viewfinder please!!
How do you do this cam with a 17/1.8 kit? $500 lens + $900 camera = $1400?
or will they greatly de-facto drop the price of the 17/1.8 (as many have called for) by including it in a “bargain” bundle, which would also drive purchase of the body (i.e. buy the kit, keep the lens, sell the body for current OMD users, etc.)
Hopefully through bundle pricing through subsidisation. I presume the costs would be borne by manufacturer, wholesaler and retailer: what the percentages are that each business in the chain bears, I wouldn’t know.
It really depends on the brand’s policy, though. Some offer good bundle pricing, especially to attract sales at a particular time. Examples: Fuji X-E1 with 18-55 or 35/1.4 for $1250 or less in some markets. Nikon D600 last December with 24-85 for $1995 in the US—same price as the body only. Other camera/lens kits hardly give you a discount at all, or they may not even be a kit option available.
IMO, people buying a body and lens at the same time from the same retailer should get bundle pricing, i.e. a decent discount compared to buying them separately. This should be the norm, rather than the exception. Most of this gear is mass produced and has huge markups to allow for discounting and rebates at the retail level anyway. I don’t feel sorry for manufacturers or stores having to discount.
“I don’t feel sorry for manufacturers or stores having to discount.”
I don’t either & if they can’t offer some discount, I don’t buy from them, because there are several others (of various products) that do.
Well said, Ross. Speaking of which, how is the M.Zuiko 75-300 II going? I read and keep up with things on other forums: was it you that posted a first impressions of it or something at SC or mu-43?
Yes, I did post in the thread on mu-43 & I do like it, though I wish the lens hood could be smaller. I’ve got some bird shots but time & birds have been limited lately & I’m still fiddling (about). 😉 Not sure what SC is though?
My EP-5 wish list:
– EM5 sensor or better
– 5 axis stabilisation
– Build in wifi for thethered shooting with ios, android, windows and osx devices.
– weather proof
– new and improved EVF to go with.
– gps.
– Optionnel new and improved EVF.
– 60/30/24 fps 1080p
One repeated.
5 ticks.
EP1 no built in EVF
EP2 no built in EVF
EP3 no built in EVF,
and now
Another Pen body with no built in EVF.
What the fu$$ is wrong with this company? Fuji can do it, Sony can do it, but both M43 companies think they know better than their customer base. I doubt any fu$$wit from Olympus reads this site, but if they do, here is a question.
How does one use the 17mm F1.8 wide open in bright daylight with fill flash? Don’t give me the stacked ND filter answer. The answer is remove the external EVF and then attach a high speed flash unit, and squint at the LCD screen hoping that you frame the picture correctly.
All this for $1000 +. You are fu$$ing joking, aren’t you? Pull your heads out of your arses and look at your competition.
End of rant. Fire sale on M43 gear pending.
If you will use a big flash on top of camera is answer not ND filter but OM-D. 😛
You want a pen with a build in evf? That one exists and it is called the omd em-5. I really can’t see the problem in the ep5 not having an internal evf. There is always the omd to fill that gap.
The e-m5 is not a pen with a viewfinder. The pen series has been going for several years and its about time it grew up from being a “dorkish wave in front of you to see what your taking big P&S” into a camera that can be used like a camera not a bl00dy phone.
NO. The em- is not a pen with an evf. Pen users do not want a lump on the top of the camera.
I like my e-m5 but am also waiting to replace my ep2 with a similar body that incorporates most of the things the visitors to this site want. Like the others I say.
No built in EVF, no 5way IBIS = No buy. I have no compromise on that position.
Well said both of you.
And seconded, thirded, fourthed, etc. You get the drift.
Meanwhile, the old E-PL1 soldiers on. Two exhibition prints this week.
The Fujis are tasting better day by day, though.
You people dont get it, its not about what YOU want, its about what gets approved. Fuji and sony do the side mounted evf thing because thats the choice they made, because of that, there isnt a center vf model. If fuji came out with a camera with the same sensor more or less the same layout and features but the vf in the center it would be a mighty stupid move wouldnt it? Its basically the same camera, and personal preference is not enough to convince an accounting department. Same thing with oly, theyre already gonna have an imposible time trying to justify the 1000 $ price tag to epl5 users, how is this camera gonna be different from an omd if it has a vf? Some people think naively weather sealing is the answer to that question and it simply is not.
Whether you want to see it or not, the omd IS a pen with a vf, it has the size and feel of a pen, the vf is just not where you want it. And sadly the hump is where the 5 axis is system is so no hump=no 5 axis ibis.
Basically I agree with all of you. One thing we forget (maybe) is that both Oly and Pana “offer” removable EVF. A useful gadget that they sell. Personally I think that an add-on like an EVF must be placed in the center of the camera, so it uses the only hotshoe we have. Leaving no choice but to use the little built-in flash.
As long as the two companies are going to produce their EVFs we can hardly espect a camera with a sided EVF like in a RangeFinder system.
Of course I wish both companies start to listen to customers rational wishes.
If I wanted a DSLR copy I would buy a DSLR. I have handled the OMD a number of times, and it’s ergonomics and button feel are terrible. Pay $1000 for an OMD and then pay a further 300 for a grip to add ergonomics?
If I want a copy DSLR with descent grip I would buy a G5, But I do not want a DSLR. I want a RF styled camera with a built in EVF. This is not rocket science, this is providing what the customer desires. No wonder both these companies are struggling financially.
“The E-P5 will be the best PEN ever and huge success for Oly.”
VIP from Oly
Time will tell 🙂
Just give me a x100-style camera Olympus already! f/2 wide lens, stabilized, with a goddarn viewfinder, for less than $1000. i wants.
Admin, let me get this straight, so, the E-P5 will have no viewfinder BUT there still another camera WITH EVF coming down the pipeline ? or does this last rumor eliminate any chance of that happening (again)?
I seriously can’t imagine how Olympus can be so dense to avoid a built-in EVF in yet another PEN, we’ve been expecting this feature since the E-P2 meanwhile Fuji, Sony and posibbly Oany in the future will all have this body type, I would jumo ship to Pany but I’ll really miss some of the features that make Oly cameras unique among m4/3 and mirrorless in general (IBIS, JPEG engine, in camera Multi-exp, anti-dust system, etc…). How are they going to justify such a long delay for the E-P5 if all they’ve done after all this time is barely replace the sensor ? what kind of BS is that ?
Of course there will be another camera with built-in EVF. It’s called the EM-6.
Seriously, I gave up on a PEN with built-in EVF when the E-P3 came out. No point torturing yourself every time an E-Px camera is announced. History tells us that the E-PLx line will always outshine the E-Px line by having all the important features while being several hundred dollars cheaper.
As for justification, I assume their marketing department will come up with something to match the cheesiness of the E-P3 and O-MD campaigns. I wonder what they will go with this time, considering they’ve already told us that they have “redefined photography” and that they deserve “RESPECT” (what for, I’m not sure)…
@ AMVR – that’s my question too. I’ve been waiting for a high end above the OMD. Looks like this isn’t it after all.
The next camera after the ep5 will be the em6
Olympus may have really shot themselves in the foot
If there’s nothing standout in the ep5 everyone will just say wait 4 months and see what the em6 brings
Usual requests for your PEN range, Oly. Silent shutter. Better video. Inbuilt wifi. Weather sealing. Shock proof. Inbuilt ND filter. Better ibis.
And yes, add an inbuilt evf to one of your PEN. Like Fuji and Sony did, years ago.
I said it the moment the epl5 was announced: olympus has shot themselves in the foot
Oly shoots the E-Px line in the foot every time they release an E-PLx camera.
The only reason I’d like to see E-PL6 announced is a discount on E-PL5 :D.
Exactly! I really doubt the possible E-PL6 brings more than WIFI and hi-res rear panel.
The competition between Olympus and Panasonic is good for m4/3rds. The more customers that are drawn to one of the other by their different personalities, the better. The more customers there are for lenses that fit both, the more and better those lenses will be, and the more third party manufacturers will want to participate. The more cameras sold, the more incentive for m4/3rds sensor development. I hope that the EP5 and EPL6 are terrific cameras and that a lot of people, including point and shooters and DSLR shedders love them whethe I buy one or not.
Although I agree with AMVR,let me remind that it is perfectly possible to shoot with OLED and an add on EVF. The E-Px is smaller than the X-E1 and that makes it more flexible.
Spare me the benefits of competition ideology, and the more, more, more whining. Thanks god that’s not my culture: I use a camera to get pictures, not hard ons.
My suggestion would be to make more durable cameras, instead of stuff packed with software, but that you throw away 6 months later.
True, Am. You don’t need a camera to get a hard on. Just a mirror. You are insufferable, truly.
The latest full tilt cameras should be perfect to monitor your wanking, coward anon. You don’t even have to show us your pictures, lamer. 🙂
Folks, if you ‘must have’ an inbuilt EVF, Olympus released just such a camera a little over a year ago for you ‘must have an evf’ types. I’m surpised you haven’t heard about it. Read up on it. It’s called the E-M5. You’ll like it.
The E-P5 is the pro of the pen series line, and should not have an inbuilt EVF, as its EVF is shared with the other pens. VF-5 will hopefully be a little cheaper, and be even better than the VF-2.
I think you misunderstand what m43 users want. The em5 is not a pen.
If you live in a country where the sun shines you will understand the need for a viewfinder. Marketing departments from lots of companies claim to have displays that can be seen in daylight. These marketing people need to get out of the dark dingy underground offices and see the reality. They don’t work.
I am not going to stand in the street with a camera at arms length squinting at a screen that shows shadows. Looking like a tourist dork with a bl00dy phone taking shots. I have an EM5 I also want to replace my ep2 but not without a viewfinder. No the em5 is NOT a pen with a viewfinder.
JimD
I have looked at the pen series, and I wanted to wait to see what the EP-5 would bring to the table. However, when I picked up the EP-3 and EM-5 together, I could see no real difference and decided that the E-M5 was a perfect little camera. Perhaps it’s because I grew up with SLR cameras, but the ‘hump’ is no problem for me and I think the E-M5 is a thing of beauty.
So, what is it about the E-M5 you don’t like? Is it that you want a rangefinder style camera? I’m genuinely perplexed at why people want a pen with an EVF built in when the E-M5 seems to fit that bill. The only thing I can think of is the rangefinder style is what you want, in which case even if Oly built one they are unlikely to call it a pen. Pen’s don’t have built-in EVF’s it would seem.
There are 2 interesting things here. One is that many see no difference between the pen and the em5. That is very interesting because that means that Oly thinks they are producing a range of cameras to suit different people. But the people who are purchasing see only variations of the same thing. That means that sales are going to be way down on potential for new models, unless something starling is presented such as the em5 was at announcement.
Secondly, it is also very apparent that the pen range which is styled on the the originals pens has a main feature missing. The bl00dy viewfinder, ALL original pens had a viewfinder.
Nsowon. I have an em5 and I have an ep2 as well as an E30 and E330. I wish to have a replacement for the ep2 that has an EVF. Just like the original pen of which I have an FT version (well a brighter viewfinder anyway). I would be happy with a portrait orientation also.
Hi Jim,
I see what you mean. I wanted a built-in viewfinder. When I said no real difference I mean that, aside from the hump, the feel and weight weren’t too different. So, for me the ‘hump’ wasn’t an issue. If the viewfinder was to the side, I wouldn’t have minded.
If you’re after a rangefinder camera, I think there is a market for one and I’m surprised Oly hasn’t taken up the call. Many forums show a demand, but it’s hard to know. Perhaps their market research shows there’s not a demand outside of enthusiasts – but then again, just ask Commodore (Amiga) about how effective market research is!
I’m not an expert, but I hear Steve Jobs was not in favour of market research; rather going by his instincts. I think we need a bit more of that now and then. 🙂
The em5 is basically a pen with a hump.
And that makes all the difference…
I’m not sure where you would fit an EVF into the E-Px body without making it bigger or the display smaller?
You can. If you look at the EM5 EVF closely you’ll see that it actually sits very low in relation to the hump, if you remove the hump (which mainly houses the IBIS sensors not the whole EVF) you’ll notice that the EVF makes the cameras barely any taller. When you say EVF, you’re thinking of either the VF-2 or the OMD hump, but actually the components inside the VF-2 are just a fraction of the volume, most of which is the surrounding case, and as i said the OMD hump is an ilusion. So yes, it can certainly be done, fairly easily even, Sony has done so (http://camerasize.com/compact/#289,155,375,ha,b) Fuji and Nikon too, whoever says different is full of cr@p
I’d love to see a m43 version of the x100. ovf with guidelines for 28/35/40/50 that switch as you plug in different lenses and a toggle for the evf if wanted. automatic switching to the evf if you plug in a lens wider or longer. bundle it with the 17 1.8 for less that the price of the x100s and I’d be in heaven.
I’d love to see a m43 version of the x100. ovf with guidelines for 28/35/40/50 that switch as you plug in different lenses and a toggle for the evf if wanted. automatic switching to the evf if you plug in a lens wider or longer. bundle it with the 17 1.8 for less that the price of the x100s and I’d be in heaven.
Might come without the AA filter.
“(FT2) I have been told by one new anonymous source that the E-PL6 has only little improvements over the actual E-PL5.”
If that finally means a big price drop on the E-PL5 that’s fine by me. 🙂
I have one GH1, one GH2 and one Oly M5 but I’ll never buy one GH3, too expensive…..
not over 850 $ only body…….it’s value for my opinion….
Sorry for my poor english…
mino