The [shoplink 22259 ebay]Olympus 35 SP rangefinder film camera[/shoplink]. Will Olympus take inspiration form the past for the new m43 camera?
Finally the time has come for us to see a real new kind of a camera! Our top sources just sent me a huge “warning”. Olympus is going to announce a new product very soon….within the next couple of weeks!!! The big PMA event starts on January 10 so it’s easy to guess that Olympus will show the new camera there. It’s a weather-sealed camera with integrated viewfinder. I didn’t get any detailed specs now but I have been told it’s a damn nice product, a camera “that many at 43rumors will like to buy“. I don’t know yet if the camera will have a rangefinder style (viewfinder on the corner like on that [shoplink 22259 ebay]Olympus 35 SP (See here on eBay)[/shoplink] or a more classic DSLR alike design like the glorious [shoplink 27042 ebay]Olympus OM-1 (See here on eBay)[/shoplink]. Can’t wait to see get the images of the real cam soon!
I am currently asking my sources to send me as much info as possible. If you find something on the web, or if you heard a “rumor” help me by sending me a message at 43rumors@gmail.com or use the contact form on the right sidebar (It’s anonymous!).
P.S.: There will be other new products too. (like the XZ-1 successor). And Panasonic will also have an announcement soon!
Rumors classification explained (FT= FourThirds):
FT1=1-20% chance the rumor is correct
FT2=21-40% chance the rumor is correct
FT3=41-60% chance the rumor is correct
FT4=61-80% chance the rumor is correct
FT5=81-99% chance the rumor is correct
P.S.: The new weather sealed Olympus 12-50mm lens is already shipping. I guess it will sell like hotcakes once the weather sealed camera is out! Check these search links to see if it’s available: [shopcountry 27977].
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If it’s true, then I wonder which sensor will be used. I’m still happy with my E-PL2, and the only reason to buy a new camera would be a massive improved sensor 🙂
+1 love my pl2. I didn,t upgrade to p3 b/c no sensor impeovement
Get GX1 then, all your lenses wil fit!
GX1 is ok, the EPL-2 works better for my needs though…
And instead of GX1, I will wait for new Oly as second camera…
Knowing Olympus, it will be overpriced and above the $1k mark though.
The problem is that if Panasonic does have a newer improved sensor they won’t let Olympus use it before themselves. So right now there are two realistic options:
– It will have the same old sensor
– It will have the newer G3 sensor
We could dream that it will use a sensor from another manufacturer (Fuji, Samsung) but that’s just a dream right now.
By the way, no one ever mentions Aptina as a possible sensor supplier. They made a decent sensor for the Nikon 1 (good high ISO performance, phase detect AF in the sensor, global shutter,… though poor resolution and poor low ISO performance), so why can’t they make a similar but bigger one for Olympus? After all, they are an independent company that will try to sell sensors to as many camera makers as possible.
No rumors about it at all?
Yes if Olympus would use one of the Aptina sensors that are in the Nikon 1 series fit for m43 the image quality would be amazing. Right now the quality of the Nikon 1 is on par with the best m43 cameras.
Nikon 1 is almost on par with the worst m43 sensors. NOise perfomance is not good at all. But if they would make it 16 MPixel and m43 size with PDAF, it would be on par an offer better AF for sports. CDAF however is less good and in lower light, quite a bit worse than Panny m43s AF.
I don’t know Jorginho. Did you see this? http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2011/11/14/the-nikon-v1-camera-review-the-camera-i-expected-to-hate/
Even if the small chip of the 1 series is on par with the worst of m43 sensors by simply making it larger for m43 cameras its going to deliver the best the system has seen to date. Given how Olympus likes to use slightly older sensors this could be a possibility.
They dont “like” to use old sensors. They are bound by contract to use Pana sensors. I do hope they break away from Panasonic. For me, that will be a more exciting news than a new camera announcement!
Aptina makes an APS sensor, but it is only sampling at this point. I didn’t see any signs of a 4/3’s sensor. Too bad.
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“poor resolution”
What’s poor about 10 MPx? What do you need more for in an enthusiast’s camera? If they could make a 10 MPx 4/3 version, I’d be very happy.
Need more resolution for cropping.
Enthusiast camera needs all megapixels availeble. Normal photojournalist is ok with 10mp.
There are different kinds of enthusiasts, then :). I’m not shooting for billboards…
It’s not the 10 MP. It’s the resolution of those 10MP that is poor. I don’t know if it’s because of the pixels dedicated to phase detect AF or what, but the resolution of that sensor is as good as a 6-8 MP one, which is poor by today’s standards (especially, when Oly’s 12MP one has the resolution of 14-16 MP ones).
I agree with that, details seem a bit smeared. Maybe it’s the lenses. Has anyone seen Nikon 1 tests with their DSLR lenses?
I’m hoping/expecting a weather proof micro four thirds to four thirds lens adapter to be announced.
Also apps, wireless/bluetooth and panaromic function on the new weather sealed mirrorless camera from Olympus with a tilt and swivel LCD.
Along with LED flash units like the new ones from Manfrotto.
Good point. Are the current MMF adapters weathersealed?
@Boot
have used them out in the rain, but would submerge one in water like what you can do with an E5
…Do we really need apps on our cameras? Unless apps doesn’t mean applications, in which case, please enlighten me as to what it stands for.
Geotaging plus wireless transfer are potentially very useful apps, as well as focus peaking and in camera panorama stitching. I want these all !
@stickytape
Yes we do, the first company(s) to introduce apps on cameras will absolutely clean up in the market (hoping it’s Oly and Panny in 2012).
Have you never used a smart phone with photo apps??
I have to disagree. Perhaps apps on a consumer P&S may do well, but I don’t think the market for a $1200+ camera will care. Heck, I can’t even decide what keepers I have until is see the pics on a large monitor. Why would I want to edit/share a pic if I’m not even sure if it’s worth showing to someone?
On top of that, simply allowing apps doesn’t really help anything. They would somehow have to convince app developers to write for it; and why would anyone waste their time writing apps for a camera with 1/1000th the user Android or iOS has? Heck, it’s difficult enough to find an app worth using of the Kindle Fire; what hope does olympis have of attracting developers?
In short, for me cameras are cameras; not computers, and I don’t want them to become computers. If I’m desperate to edit a photo out in the field I’ll just import a JPEG into my iPhone/iPad and edit it using any one of the dozens of photo apps already available.
@Eric
maybe they the operating syestem on cameras would be android , Samsung, Sony and Panasonic all have experience in this field already, so developers would not be wasting their time and developers could sell at a premium to what people pay on the app stores…
Apps would just be for editing they could be for voice activation, recognition of objects/people/animals in your photos, notes about your photos or what to photograph/video, sharing etc.
Point and shoots are already losing out to smart phones and I’ve seen photos and video used by journalists already…
Apps are going to happen it just a question of when.
btw cameras are already computers.
Cameras are an expression of oneself.
Hey Admin, give us some more details about the XZ-2 pretty please :).
Nice news, but I still can’t get over the disappointment of June releases. If this one has an articulated LCD as well and is not bigger than G3 / NEX-7, it’ll be my next camera, no matter the shape. Cross fingers…
Admin, Great news! Looks like what you have pitching for is going to come true soon!
I just bought a NEX-7. Fabulous cam!
I still do wish for a compact m4/3rds (like the GX) with an integrated EVF and hopefully a functional (tilt/swivel) LCD or LED screen. If Panasonic or Olympus come up with one, I will pre-order it.
You mean like the G3?
Fantastic, but I don’t need the view finder. A new sensor is the most important item we need. Other than that, the E-P3 is totally sufficient.
for me it´s the opposite: m43 already has a really very good sensor ( in the GH2 and G3 ),
but a really better EVF is absolutely first on my wish list…
GH1’s sensor had better DR and SNR. GH2’s smaller lower performing pixels are downgrade from that and G3 further scrapped base ISO DR for high ISO only optimizations.
may be or may be not, perhaps measurable. What I mean is: the possible progress in EVF is at least for me much more important than those in the sensor.
+1
If its G3 sensor in a rangefinder style body, it will knick the socks off the GX1
Its is a dslr shape, then they are simply catching up on the many cams out there like the Gh2…
Ohhhh please don’t mess this up Olympus! Lol
Hm, took them some time. Should been from start.
Have you heard of R&D. It does take time to develope designs.
“Have you heard of R&D. It does take time to develope designs.”
It takes very little time to put your existing technology in a newly shaped piece of plastic or metal. And that’s all they have to do: take E-PL3 innards, add E-P3 touch screen, VF-2 EVF, E620 mechanism for LCD rotation and make a proper G1 / NEX-7 style grip.
I’m looking forward to seeing the flagship. I probably wont have the cash for it but still interested.
It’s all about the sensor now…………..
At last some interesting & intriguing news^W rumor from the m43 front 🙂
I must admit that I don’t touch much my e-pl2 and lenses since I bought a x100, I really hope Olympus will bring something really innovative and competitive to the table…
For a high end m43 camera, an integrated EVF is a must and a weather sealed body is very nice.
The real challenge for Oly, however, will be to have a sensor that is able to compete with the latest Sony sensors. I’m eagerly waiting to see what Oly will offer in that regard.
What is meant by a “hybrid” viewfinder. If I read about the viewfinder on the X10 fuji would that be the general idea? Thanks.
Peter F.
The hybrid viewfinder is designed for rangefinder geeks to get all misty eyed and mechanically whip out their credit cards. It’s sort of like carrying around your own personal Ken Burns documentary, sans the Ken Burns zoom effect or the obligatory plaintive music. 😉
They’re referring to the combination optical/electronic viewfinder in the FIXED lens Fuji X100.
It looks nice and is well-suited to a FIXED lens camera, but seems more like an expensive gimmick. A dedicated electronic viewfinder that shows 100% view of ANY lens you mount is simply better suited to an interchangeable lens camera.
Amen 🙂
Haha! I would have been truly excited if Olympus said, “hey we got a built in evf coming but what we really want to talk about is our new amazing custom sensor” that would have given some hope.
+2
I bet it’ll feature the Panasonic G3/GX1 sensor and a fixed screen in an modified
E-P3 format.
Or worse, in a DSLR shaped body!
Please don’t let that be what happens… It needs to be compact. Just make a thin handgrip for it when it needs to handle bigger lenses.
Worse? It would be the best, ergonomically. Really, another reincarnation of a PEN would be the most boring step, Olympus could do. It is time for Olympus to do something beyond PEN to be profitable again.
Maybe this will turn things around for Oly?
Just got my GX less than 2 weeks , Now another new MFT camera come out . Good , if it equipped with new sensor & rangefinder style . I’ll definitely consider it for my 45mm F1.8 .
GX1 must always mount with Summilux !
I hope it won’t be ugly!
Olympus don’t make ugly cameras. The last E-P3/E-Pl3/E-Pm1 series was particularly cute. Let’s hope they chose the same RF style with a flipping LCD and keep things small. We don’t need another GHn, but a Sony- Nex7 competitor !
Olympus needs a GH2 competitor and something beyond the PEN concept. There are already enough soap boxes in the mirrorless market available.
An Olympus with external controls like the GH2 (and not like the NEX 7) would the thing to do. Certainly no mm smaller than the EP3, preferable slightly bigger with a firm grip. And most importantly a large EVF, which can be used with all lenses, which would render this hybrid stuff as superfluous.
Why aren’t the Pens already a Nex7 competitor?
The GH would be an option for Oly lens owners if the GH had IBIS. It does not, which is a problem in using long focal length lenses.
Why does EVERY Oly m43 lens have to have a flat form factor, which is particularly un-ergonomic, especially for longer lenses?
Oly has released SEVEN Pen form factor cameras in the last 2 to 3 years, and only the E5 in a different form factor. Yet, the E5 can’t use any NEW lens introduced in the last 3 years and has a below HD video offering.
Why does EVERY Oly m43 camera (not lens) have to have a flat form factor, which is particularly un-ergonomic, especially for longer lenses?
This is it! This camera will decide the future of the imaging division. It’s win or die for Olympus right now. No more unfulfilled expectations.
I’m praying for Olympus not to Fck it up this time, please please don’t. They only need to make sure of 2 things
a) No DSLR shape: If they pretend to differentiate from Pany they better stay away from the fake-dslr game. If their lackluster performance has taught us anything is that their success relies heavily in the Pen aesthetics
b) GET A NEW FREAKING SENSOR !!! don’t care who is the manufacturer, ANYONE would suffice compared to the old 12mp sensor. I’m really fearful about this one, so far no rumor has put an emphasis on the sensor aspect only the EVF and weather sealing and that reminds me of the EP-3 fiasco…
I could care less about weather-sealing IMO, i’m ok with it as long as it doesn’t hinder on the size/weight, this is still MICRO four thirds, not regular fourthirds after all (see point a). EVF is a given or so it seems. what matters most right now is SHAPE and SENSOR. I’ve been waiting since the E-PL1 to upgrade and so far all releases have fallen short: same camera, mix match features, some good designs (E-P series & PL2), some so-so (PL3)
First, cut the drama please, this ain’t Olympus’s last chance. Expect the same 12 mpix sensor. Olympus said it and repeated over and over again: 12 megapixels is all people need. I know, there will be lots of agony over the forums as always (as if the image quality was not good enough) and expect Olympus to move on and still sell. No its not the end of the world.
Same pattern with the Panasonic GX-1 btw : when announced, it was literally the end of m43. All those hopes for the NEX-7 killer went down the drain. And now you know what, it is growing in popularity…
As for the dslr shape thing, Panasonic has no patent over it. Take a Nikon D90 and a Canon Rebel and try to tell me that they are the same because they obviously both share the dslr shape. Thankfully, the same can be said about soap box shaped cameras, because, Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, Nikon and Pentax Q all does them. Then again, Pen’s success may have something to do with IBIS, Jpeg engine, IQ, lenses and overall design.
Ah, some common sense. Thanks for posting. You saved me the effort.
I’m not being a drama queen. Read carefully before lighting your torch and getting your pitchfork. First off, I have nothing against 12mp, they’re more that enough,in fact I actually hope they decrease the MP to 10 or 9 (ie. better pixel pitch). I don’t care what your assessment of the situation may be but you cannot deny the REAL need for a new SENSOR (here, read again, NEW SENSOR not # of MP), particularly when smaller sensors like the Nikon 1 can so easily catch up to M43.
Secondly, yes this is a very important stage in the history of Olympus as a camera manufacturer. They’ve been seating on the same old technology for YEARS (not just sensor, everything – except perhaps processing engine- IBIS, interface, LCD screen resolution (I said LCD not OLED if you pay attention) etc…The market does not wait for companies to ¨catch up¨, consumers WILL go with the Best they can afford, and Olympus may be affordable (debatable) but it ain’t class leading technology-wise.
2 years ago they didn’t need to prove anything to anyone but they did, today it’s an entirely different scenario, today they NEED to. This camera WILL prove whether they aim to stay competitive or not. The market speaks for itself, Sony, Fuji, Nikon, all of them would not have wasted a dime on EVF ¨soapbox¨ cameras if there wasn’t a market to exploit, Olympus may do very well with their low-end models (in japan) but they have neglected that market with their ever-so-slightly different iterations.
Also, nobody cares who has the patents over a certain body shape. What I said is that Olympus has gained market share through differentiation by following their PEN design philosophy. Olympus was the first to showcase the Mirrorless motto with their M43 prototype, and by doing that they captured the attention of many photographers thus creating a new segment for people that wanted something ¨new¨ and different, meanwhile Panasonic has pushed forward their own philosophy by graving the attention of P&S shooters who aspire to upgrade to a DSLR thus crave the DSLR aesthetic but don’t want the bulk of it, or the attention of DSRL shooters who want to KEEP that interface in a smaller package…hence the existence of a G (PS/superzoom Upgrade) and GH line (enthusiast downsize and video). Olympus may have limited themselves by choosing to pursue a single design philosophy but they demonstrated that differentiation from the norm can be successful.
If, after this much time, they cannot obtain a new sensor by whatever means necessary they’ll show they’ve stalled in their development. Nobody is going to wait 2 more years for Olympus to get today’s technology, that’s a fact.
Look, its no use to argue over what borderline looks like post hoc ergo propter hoc analysis. Remember, a correlation is not a causality and the conclusions you draw have yet to be demonstrated: The form factor Olympus choose is certainly one variable, but how much it weigh in the overall success? Maybe not as much as you would like to believe. Until I read a serious market study by Olympus, I will take the loud sample from this forum with a grain of salt.
Furthermore, the fact that they came first may only weigh that much also. For whatever my personal sample is worth, all the NEX owners I know aren’t even aware that Olympus came first… Finally, adding diversity in their product line (such as a dreaded pseudo-dslr) would really hurt their image?
As for the sensor. The last time I heard, the EP3’s was redesigned. Unless it was a false rumor, someone will correct me.
We all saw the new focus speed, but all I read is that its dated technology by several years…
Any how, we have no rumors yet and I am not holding my breath.
I’m sorry but I absolutely don’t see the need for a new sensor. If you want a high-ISO monster, µFT isn’t the right tool anyway – and for anything else, the current sensor is absolutely fine. When I got my E-5 about a year ago I just couldn’t believe what a huge step it represented IQ wise. Look in the World Wide Web at the myriads of fantatastic pics shot with the E-5 and all the PENs and explain me why anyone should need a new sensor. Just expose to the right and tell me again that we need a new sensor. The vast majority of us (including myself) should just learn to squeeze the maximum out of the gear we have got instead of blaming our sensor for the fact that our pics aren’t as good as we would love them to be.
Really, all this sensor whining is extremely tiring. It reminds me of somebody living in the US (with their top speed of 55 or 65mph) and driving a Gumpert Apollo with 850bhp but whines as he hasn’t got the Bugatti Veyron with its 1004bhp.
There is no absolutely “need” for a new sensor. A new sensor would be very welcome though. You say that MFT isn’t the right tool if you want high ISO. Why isn’t it the right tool? Because the sensors are not capable yet. So MFT could well be the right tool, if they had improved sensors. It’s just a matter of time.
Yes, we should learn to make the most of what we have and be satisfied, but consider that it is the large corporations themselves that have conditioned us to expect more and more.
E-P3 is great. Not a fiasco at all. The new features were the super fast AF and the touch screen. They don’t have to renew ALL parts of a camera every time. But now I won’t buy yet another PEN unless they have a new sensor.
Fully agree
Yep. Agree also. EP3 is a better cam than the specs suggest. Or at least better than the headline specs. Look a little deeper and you will find its performance in critical areas is superb. Most critics of this camera have never used it for real.
It would be idiotic to put that three year old sensor in a new weather sealed body. No way it will be the same old sensor.
replay to:
a. what’s wrong with dslr shape? something la E1 or E510, or E30? with this shape you can use 4/3 lenses.
b. agree about new sensor. all i want is better DR. much better. nothing else. i don’t want to capture something in the dark that i don’t see with my own eyes. remember, that’s what I need. if will be higher ISO, nothing but better.
They already have the E-5, which is 12MP and weather sealed – and being 43rds, it has much better (native) lenses.
If it the old sensor (with no ISO/DR improvements), then why this new camera? This isn’t making a lot of sense to me. I’d like to think it will offer something new.
And if it costs the $$$ that weather sealed bodies cost – why would someone pay that – and not have a oly fast telephoto? I had assumed the E-5 replacement couldn’t come before the fast telephoto.
On the flipside, we know which lens it will launch with…
12 mpixels is enough, but the iso performance does need 1 more stop of usable room before noise becomes abhorrent. The number of megapixels isn’t the problem, the age of the sensor is.
A bit dramatic but not too off the mark I think. It’s all about sensor quality and speed now. Once Nikon gets their 1 series smaller and with faster lenses its going to be real tough for m43 to keep pace. If Nikon has a excellent sensor in a smaller package and Sony keeps kicking butt with their mirrorless cameras then Fuji gets at the high end its going to become more of a challenge for Olympus and Panasonic to grow their user base which is critical to a format for survival.
Believe me I LOVE Olympus. I was one of the first people on the west coast to shoot with the E1 professionally and still have an image or two from the E1 in my portfolio but I had to switch to Canon just to keep up with professional standards of image quality.
Yes 12 to 18MP is plenty of res for the majority of print work and if I need more I just rent a medium format system or use my Canons.
A built in EVF is an easy fix but what is needed is better dynamic range and noise. M43 cameras just can’t compete with larger chips right now but they are close!
I think it already too late for Olympus. Sure they have a nice set of lenses now, after years of screaming from their fan base. Canon and Leica will likely announce their entry into this market this year. m43 fans think it’s all about lens selection. It isn’t. I hate to say it, but in the camera world, like any other business, name recognition trumps almost anything else. Olympus has frittered their 3 years lead away. Now, they’re at the same starting line as everyone else… you know, the ones with the bigger names and consumer trust. Say all you want about how much better you think the m43 system is over any other offerings right now. It simply doesn’t matter. The Canikon, Sony, Fuji, Leica names are just too difficult to overcome. The m43 players needed to have a massive lead and popularity by now to simply survive the coming onslaught. They don’t have it. I’m not sure which player(s) will eventually own the mirrorless market, but I’m almost 100% sure m43 will be in last place. It’s too little, too late. Maybe they can survive as a camcorder niche. I’m betting Panasonic will retreat to that market, but Sony will probably chase them there too.
Yes, it’s about brand recognition as well as sales channels. Just returned from a trip to Barcelona and spotted many tourists with NIKON 1, only a few NEX and m43.
But all is not lost yet. If Olympus can’t enter the large electronic stores in the same way as Nikon, they should develop new channels. And they need products to fit those channels. Anyway, I believe Olympus’ market share is higher than it ever was with the E series.
As to the new camera, if it enables better use of 43 lenses, that opens up a whole new user base. I’m curious about it.
Interesting. In Sydney, I am yet to see a Nikon or NEX in the wild. I have, in recent days, seen quite a number of E-P1/2/etc. Still, Olympus and Panasonic really need better marketing teams. It’s not even a matter of marketing it right; it’s a matter of no marketing at all.
Not sure where are all these people who are using m43 are (outside of Japan). I have yet seen a single person cary m43 in the US. I have seen NEX. In Asia, I’ve seen maybe one person use a m43. I’ve seen lots of NEX and a few Samsung. Here in the US, all I see are Canon and Nikon DSLRs. Anyway, it really doesn’t matter. Marketshare really has little to do with photography. If it works for you, great. Would be nice to see some really amazing things from m43. Hopefully, Olympus can show us something unique. It would be nice to see Olympus stop shooting themselves in the foot.
@calxn
everyone knows the USA is behind the mirrorless curve….
You always talk with a tone of dismissiveness towards the USA. Jealousy, I guess. The eventual mirrorless winner will likely play out in the USA. Other markets may be early adopters, but the winners usually shake out in the US first. It’s always been that way. From networking (e.g. internet) to OS to mobile phones to HD to NFC for electronic purchases to whatever. I’ve heard it before. Some other country or region early adopt and brag, but the final standard always came out of the US. In the case of mirrorless, it may not be invented here, but the consumption choices we make in this category will likely end up being the winner. I’m sure in 5 years, you guys in the UK will once again enjoy the benefits of our decision. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy! We’ll be deciding soon.
> Anyway, I believe Olympus’ market share is higher than it ever was with the E series.
Only in Japan.
In Europe and North America their sales went into belly dive when they stopped making anything else than bricks trying to ride on pocketability of P&S compacts. (which won’t work with lens mount making lenses protrude from body)
Yes indeed. Fuji and Leica are true market leaders and will eat the µFT market share. That is so far off the the reality – I just don’t know what to say about it.
Among the high end, there is trust in Fuji and Leica. I guess it depends on which market you’re coming from. I’d like to eventually replace my DSLR so I’m looking at the high end. I would guess most m43 users are looking at fun cameras.
Strange. The lackluster(?) performance cameras with DSLR shape are very successfully because of their shape. They are bought because of of their superior ergonomic and handling quality. If anything Olympus has to do, is to provide alternatives to their PEN only strategy, which puts too many potential buyers off. Panasonic, honestly, does in the field of product diversity much better than Olympus. If they do anything similar to a PEN, people would get even more confused about the product policy, as they were already when they had to choose between EP3, EPL3, and EPM1.
You’ve got it all backwards Mahler. It’s the fake-DSLR’s that are lagging in the marketplace. GF Pannys sell better and so do the NEX and PEN lineups. You guys here who talk incessantly about the superiority of DSLR ergonomics ought to go buy whatever real or fake DSLR that suits you and stop campaigning here all the time to those of us in the overwhelming majority who don’t want those clunky and oversized dinosaurs anymore.
WT#?!? I almost buy a vf-2 the other day for my 2 month old ep3. Good thing I remember the hybrid vf rumor from this site. My ep3 will be outdated very soon when this comes out. Well I’m happy if this turns out to be true… I’m excited again
Considering all the competition and all that Olympus is going through, the G3 sensor with this camera and a great Olympus imaging engine will be acceptable and adequate for most but if they want to create a serious impression Olympus is gonna need a serious sensor like the Fuji organic sensor.
I hope it will have a retro look such as the EP3/X100!
As silly as it is, I really want that also. In a way, more than a new sensor. The reality is, the retro “look” of the X100 is actually VERY utilitarian…
Fuji is promising Full frame performance from it’s new APSC organic sensor so if Olympus has successfully negotiated with Fuji to use a fourthirds sized version of this sensor than we could expect performence that at least equals a Sony APSC or perhaps even APSH quality.
Yes, it seems like a lot of conjecture and wishful thinking but wouldn’t that be something?
Knowing Olympus we should be grateful if we get the G3 sensor.
There is no 43 sized new Fuji sensor.
Is there a in production Fuji organic sensor? I do not know of one on a camera, so their is not a Medium Frame, Full Frame, APc or what ever yet. Looking at what the Fuji X line of cameras current and rumored, the m43 sensor size is right in the middle of their two sizes. The trick will get the organic sensors into production, it might be hard or easy for Fuji; but I am sure they are not telling.
I expect a better sensor from Olympus in their new camera, unless the new camera is another Pen; then I expect the same sensor:( .
> Yes, it seems like a lot of conjecture and wishful thinking but wouldn’t that be something?
Yes. It would. That’s why we will not get it.
> Knowing Olympus we should be grateful if we get the G3 sensor.
Ah, you said it yourself. 😉
I’d love to be excited about something remotely resembling long promised 43 replacement. But I cannot: (1) Oly always under-delivers, (2) weather sealing suggests high price tag and (3) I have already decided to try next new camera brand for a change.
Uhm.. the title say: Wathersealed camera with integrated viewfinder. I think if there was a new sensor, it would have been mentioned in the title.. But I hope for it anyway!!
Bingo! You got it!
Still panasonics sensor?
Personally I’m hoping for something from Dalsa.
1) not DSLR design (if I want DSLR I will buy it, not mirrorless)
2) mirrorless have to be smaller than DSLR (significantly)
3) sensor form present PENs are old, the level of 2009 and worse than sensors from Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Sony – the new is necessary
4) swivel LCD (or OLED) is very usefull
5) camera should be small, smaller than Panasonic G3, not bigger then Sony NEX-7
6) there are some beutifull prime lens in m43, but there will be still necessary prime UWA and prime portrait lens (longer than wonderfull 45/1.8)
admin – Please find out whether it has a new sensor.
Yeah, trying to find out. But I don’t epxect a revolution here 🙁
I want the built in V, but Im afraid the weather sealing is going to make the camera quite large 🙁
Sealing doesn’t have to add size.
I hope you are right. I’d love to have weather sealing, while staying small. Not sure I, personally, care about WS, but I know others do.
One thing I suspect — WS is actually EASIER to do for Oly than a new sensor, so I suspect this is something they can do, to differentiate their cameras, WITHOUT a new sensor.
I guess they have to start somewhere, but considering pretty much all the lenses so far are not weather sealed, but good does it really do at this point in time?
Ouch!
They’ve run that old 12MP horse into the ground. I bought an E-PM1 with it solely because of the cost ($420) and small size; I wouldn’t accept same sensor in a premium camera.
All my hopes all for that new sensor!! It will be a total marketing suicide for Olympus at the present times. Hope a new sensor, Don´t mind if it has 12 megapixels but with better Dynamic Range please!!
I agree..but i think the chances are pretty small…
if new camera purely with w.sealed improvement and use old sensor. Olympus will hit by fuji very soon in 2012. and people start to compare the needs of w.sealed vs new sensor (ie: nex7 24mp). pretty clear answer here 🙂
Priorities: New sensor (GH2 would be nice) and NEX7 quality integrated EVF wrapped in a slim and stylish body (not faux-DSLR).
Weather sealed, guess that’s part of the deal, okay provided it doesn’t add much weight (the weather sealed 12-50mm weighing in at only 7.4 oz is a promising sign). Flip hi-res touch OLED or LCD also nice, but not essential to me.
Price has to be below NEX7 since they cannot compete with its 24MP sensor, maybe $800 body only, $1150 with 12-50mm kit lens?
Unless they plan to be much more aggressive with pricing (I don’t see it) I expect this to be at least $1000. The E-P3 is still $750 currently…
I have high hopes for this, but unless they Sensor is improved, I see no reason to upgrade my E-P3 (though I said that about my E-PL2 😉 )
Great work as always Admin!!
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Who says it’s going to be a m43 camera?
I’d like to see a camera equally capable of using both mounts.
Who says it’s going to be an interchangeable lens camera?
Maybe it’s a new Tough camera with EVF.
I too..
> Who says it’s going to be a m43 camera?
Because there were already mentions of E-7 as the next camera for the 43.
IOW, if it is not a rumor about the E-7 (and it is too soon for E-x update), then it is not 43.
impatient! smell good!
Anyway, improving the camera feature and ergonomy, and enhancing the camera lineup is a very good thing, but what Olympus need the most now is a new sensor… i hope this new cam will come with a new, up to date, and significantly improved sensor.
Olympus should also improve their camera compatibility with Panasonic lenses:
– supporting the automatic correction of chromatic error (sorry i don’t know the real “english name”)
– and allowing to configure/activate the OIS of the Panasonic lenses as the 14-42X pancake zoom (OIS support video, unlike Oly stab technology, but this lense doesn’t have any button to activate OIS, so this should be done via the camera body… if this is not included in the micro 4/3 standard, then, Pany and Oly should seriously think about an extension of the standard to manage such cases)
Come on Oly, make a photogs camera, not another consumer P.O. S&@T!!!
I fail to see how any of the previous Pens haven’t been photographer’s cameras. If you just want Canon bodies labeled as Olympus, might as well buy Canon right?
I hope this thing is sold body only
P.S.. this site has way to many cry babies whining about swivel screens…
Resurrect the XA!
EVF nice. Weather sealed?…pana have some sealed lenses coming too so it might be nice but hardly a priority like the new sensor ought to be. I’m amazed that the 12 mpx in my ep-2 is still haunting me. Put a blanket over it and shoot it olympus or else the thousands of people who passed on the ep-3 upgrade will pass on this one too.
I dunno, I seem to be the exception. I find the current sensor to be just fine. I haven’t needed more megapixels once cameras got to 8MP. Having more MP, just means that diffraction sets in much earlier (diffraction starts being noticeable if you pixel peep at f/13.1 for a 5MP E-1, at f/9.3 for a 10MP E-3, at f/8.4 for a 12MP E-5 and Pen, and at f/7.3 for a 16MP camera). With higher MP, the pixels are packed together, which means the sensor is noisier, and more efforts are need to tame the noise both in the chip, and during post processing.
While very occasionally, I do wish I could go faster than ISO 3200, it really doesn’t affect me in general, so I’m not hankering after more ISO range.
What I’m looking for is not a new sensor, but being able to get the shot in the first place. I find I often leave the E-P2 home because I’m going to be out for a whole day, and it looks like rain. I had some money, and looked long and hard recently, and passed on the E-P3 because it wasn’t sealed, and instead picked up the E-5. Recently, I went to Disney World for a vacation, and the E-P2 was often left in the hotel because I was going to a park where there were water rides (Splash Mountain, Kali River Rapids), and I knew the E-5 could take a little water, but not the E-P2.
In addition, I find the VF-2 viewfinder to be nearly useless for outdoor things like Disney, since the polarization is opposite to the LCD, and I can’t see anything when I’m wearing polarized sunglasses and shooting in landscape mode. Also, when I’m out and about, my gear often gets jostled, and with the number of stories of people losing their VF-2’s I would suspect I would soon lose it. Finally, the problem is if you use the VF-2 or VF-3, you can’t use external flash directly connected to the camera.
So for me, the ideal camera would be an E-5 replacement, with both weather sealed micro 4/3rds lenses, and a weather sealed adapter that replaces the MMF-2 so I can use my HG glass. It would be nice if it was based on the E-P3 (builtin flash, touch screen, AVCHD movie support, removable grips).
While I generally hate battery grips on my cameras, there are times, when it is useful to have the extra power, or even be able to change batteries when the camera is on a tripod, without disassembling it. So it would be nice if the new camera had an aux. power option, such as an AC adapter port (hopefully using a more standard connection, or at the least being compatible with the AC-01), or maybe a larger grip that takes 2 batteries, and adds heft when holding the camera with larger lenses.
The number of megapixels of my ep-2 doesn’t bother me either, but the shallow dynamic range and high noise @ 3200 does. I take pics around Sydney at night, bumping up ISO kills the already struggling dynamic range (plus the noise). I want to see more detail in my darkest darks and lightest lights. In nice and flat lighting conditions…yeah the current sensor is adequate.
yep you said it…. new sensor for this reason or i will just think Glad my E-P1 is the same IQ as every camera oly has made since!
Better 5 years late, than never
Don’t get your hopes up people.
What you hope for:
* New multi aspect sensor
* Variable bitrate/framerate video
* IBIS in video
* New OLED/High Res EVF
* PDAF on sensor
What you’re getting:
* Older sensor (16MP from G3/GX1 at best)
* 30FPS HD video with built-in digital jello effect
* No IBIS in video
* VF2 spec built in EVF
* No PDAF on sensor
🙂
* Multi aspect sensor: not necessary really. Just get anything that is not the old 12mp sensor, G3 sensor would nice, considering Olympus processing is known to squeeze the juice out of Pany sensors better than Pany itself (much like nikon and Sony)
*Variable bit rate: Not interested, anyone can get a GH2 right now if they wanted
*IBIS in video: everyone prefers OIS, that’s the benefit of using a shared mount with Pany : Pany video lenses
*New Oled high res evf: VF-2 will do more than fine
*PDAF on sensor: yeah not seeing it either, although if they DO get a new sensor it could actually be plausible (either by Fuji or the Nikon 1 sensor manufacturer)
Also,
I don’t know what you’re on about – if anything Olympus and Panasonic (along with all other manufacturers except Sony) have demonstrated that you should expect only minor gradual improvement with new models.
Why do you think this will be any different?
If you release a new lead camera every 6 months or so you can only expect minor improvement. Maybe this is what the market dictates.
But even a camera like P3 with only improvements of an integrated viewfinder and weather proofing would be very nice. Anything more then that will be a plus plus.
If a camera has an integrated viewfinder does it need a OLED or will a regular LCD do? Don’t know, I know a OLED is more expensive more prone to damage.
All the visual aids, be them screens, OVF, EVFs need to be as good a quality as possible – dont skimp of screen because you have EVF!
> Why do you think this will be any different?
I do not think it will be different. But.
Considering current unique situation surrounding Olympus management and their plan to print more stock, release of an exceptional product would serve as a boost on stock price thus allowing them to grab more money when selling those new shares.
All I’ll say is… YEEESSSSS! Olympus, I’ve been waiting for this (weather-sealed Pen), and I’m sure to be an early adopter once it ships, which I hope is soon. 😀
Why it’s different ?
– It’s a weather-sealed camera
– with integrated viewfinder
– Olympus branded
– nNice jpeg embedded
Why it’s not new ?
– But I don’t epxect a revolution here (sensor)
And last :
– many at 43rumors will like to buy
Admin already made it clear : it’s likely the m43 rengefinder like camera the 80% snobbish ones (including me) have been waiting for long
By the way, happy new year Admin, well done… Take care !
when they came out, i like this kind of rumors . but i’ll hope this time to be different. all those crappy new camera like gx1, gf2-3 are useless in my opinion if you already are an GF1 owner.
Very few people are going to pay over $1k for a 4 year old sensor and previous gen. EVF.
I’m with you… the rumored Fuji pro is about 1500€ and is going to be way better in IQ… Only a sensor miracle would avoid me to change to fuji…
Sounds great. I like the PEN-concept, but I think we need something on a higher level. Weather sealing and integrated view-finder are essential for travelling purposes. Sunshine and indoor photographers might be happy without that, but I am not.
I’ll be interested if it has an up-to-date sensor instead of one that belonged in a camera from five years ago.
Noo!!! but I just got an E-P3 with the VF-2..
Weathersealed body with built-in EVF.. sounds like the perfect travel camera!
Admin, any chance this is an E-System camera rather than M43?
just wait a few days and don’t forget, olympus was the first and is one of the best!
Why Oly keep shoveling the weather sealed feature?….C’mon how many of us willing to risk our new expensive camera in the rain even when said camera bearing weather sealed label? Unless we’re being paid a hefty money as a photographer and for said job there’s already E-5 and 4/3 lens…I am not even care about how many MP the new sensor will be since most expert believe even the APS size sensor will be stuck in 16-18 Mp so I guess for 4/3 stop at 12-16 would be enough…..what I and most people care about are how good the sensor performance will be…how good the DR, the noise control under Hi-ISO and is there any new improvement in dynamic CDAF perhaps multiple and faster focus for moving object….the 120 refresh rate aren’t impressive enough…..even though I don’t like Nikon 1, perhaps Oly can answer how come it’s m4/3 masterpiece can not capture fast enough motion with accuracy….perhaps the solution will come now….
Weather sealed, regardless of if you choose to take it in the rain or not, is still more durable and robust than non-weather sealed. I feel the same way about my 300m and 1000m dive watches. None of them will ever see those depths, but I don’t worry about them in the swimming pool and 20 years from now I still expect the internals to be shiny and clean.
It reminds me of shopping for legacy glass and having to watch out for dust, haze, and fungus inside the optics. It’s probably a moot point because I doubt that the m4/3 format will still be in use that far into the future, but weather sealed gear will still withstand the effects of time and the environment better than non-sealed.
That´s not true…. Panasonic was the first with the G1 😉
I do it all of the time. It’s why I started using Olympus DSLRs in the first place. In fact, I just baptised my new E-5, when I took it on water rides at Disneyworld. The E-1 has been to Niagara falls on the boat ride several times, and the E-3 at least once.
I also tend to go to renaissance faires, and several times, we have had a thunderstorm that lasted an hour or so during the middle of the day, and there you can’t go back to the car to drop off your gear, so you have to plan what you want to take at the beginning of the day. Usually the E-P2 gets left home because it may rain.
I was buying a lightweight tripod at my camera store today, and I got a confirmation that a weather sealed camera was on the way.
I am afraid of the new anouncement.
It will be the new flagship camera, so it will be more expensive than the E-P3. The E-P3 already has a way too high price, so that new model will be expensive. That means it has to offer a lot.
What I need to pay > 1000 Euro for a µFT-camera:
1) new Sensor, 12 MP is fine, but it has to be up to date.
2) new EVF: VF-2 is good, but Nex7 VF is way better.
I am afraid that we will get a E-P3 with integrated VF2 for 1100 Euro, which is than comparable to the E-420, which was ~400 Euro. Wow, what an advancement…
Thanks for showing the picture of the 35SP, by the way. If Oly would take out the film and put in a 35mm sensor, you would have a camera that competes with the Leica M9P.
Based on the size of that new lens I bet it will be a DSLR shape. Bummer. Much prefer the rangefinder style.
I’m all for a 12-14mp sensor. Just a new one. Not “tweaked.” There seem to be many people talking about the Sony 24mp sensor as if it was dealt that great. It’s not, unless all you care about is mp. Canon made the right choice recently when they introduced the new 18mp fullframe sensor. A 12mp sensor with the Dr and snr of a Pentax k-5 (16mp) would be absolutely amazing. How often do people on this forum complain about resolution? Never. They want better ISO and Dr IQ.
What the heck ever happened to the GH1 sensor? It’s still the best 4/3 sensor ever used as far as ISO and DR. Olympus can do ALOT with that sensor?
> What the heck ever happened to the GH1 sensor? It’s still the best 4/3 sensor ever used as far as ISO and DR.
But does it fast AF? I do not think. All the current m43 sensors, including the old patched up 12MP sensor used by Oly, are capable of 120Hz read-out which is prerequisite for fast AF.
The “new” FAST sensor is an adaptation of the old 12mp sensor. They can do the same with the GH1 sensor.
Far the best sensor up to ISO 200 you mean? I have a gh1 and i’m happy with it but all I can use for professional work is 200 and 400 ISO. Above that you will see banding.
All I wish from oly is a gh1 with Ibis and an improved Multi aspect Sensor (better
Far the best sensor up to ISO 200 you mean? I have a gh1 and i’m happy with it but all I can use for professional work is 200 and 400 ISO. Above that you will see banding.
All I wish from oly is a gh1 with Ibis and an improved Multi aspect Sensor (better highlight DR)
I’m somewhat amused that so many here are concerned about RF styling and not about the sensor… some of you guys are unbelievable.
First, everyone is commenting on a number of things they want to see- and a new sensor is first. But people also don’t want to see a DSLR body. Does this surprise you? Why? If I want something with the styling of a DSLR I’ll get a proper DSLR- a camera from Canon or Nikon that will invariably cost far less than this Olympus and blow it out of the water in terms of Dynamic Range, high ISO, etc. Yes, the styling is important to MOST consumers. The only thing that is “unbelievable” is that someone would be unaware of this.
An Olympus camera having the same 12MP sensor, or even the G3 sensor (I have the G3) means nothing to me. As far as I’m concerned, it’s a product that brings nothing new and might have well not come into existence in the first place.
I would be very interested in a camera that brings something new to the table , to me that would mean more DR, less noise and, possibly, good integration with 4:3 lenses (they are still far superior to anything m43 has to offer).
A camera’s styling has nothing to do with performance, if I was obsessed with style I’d spend my money on jewelry 🙂
I’m hoping for a new sensor first and foremost. But if it’s a DSLR shaped camera, then I’ll just use my E5 or E520.
I’d like a high quality camera that can be used in social/casual settings without looking like the “dweeb with the camera”.
It’s what I love about my EP3, my Voightlander RF, and my other old film cameras, including the older more compact SLRs that didn’t look like a Canon rebel (OMs, Konicas, etc)
For me the actual sensor OK, but i really need a VF at ONE SIDE of the body, doesn’t matter the shape… Different needs I guess. If you want better IQ go for a larger sensor (Nex 5n or the future Fujipro).
I want an E-7, not this thing. Argh! Rangefinders are a temporary fad and there’s a bloody reason why DSLRs look the way they do.
First, the PEN series are not rangefinders, but since you brought up the subject I find it interesting that you would call something that has been around since the early 1900’s, “a temporary fad”.
Haha there is a reason that DSLR’s look the way they do. Because before the days of digital live-view sensors, cameras had to use a mirror to reflect the image from the lens up to the viewfinder so that you could see what you were shooting. I respect the fact that you prefer the DSLR style of body, but it seems to me that the pentaprism and pentamirror are themselves a fad that is coming to a close…
It is a temporary fad. This is akin to releasing a Ford Model T-lookalike in the 21st century. Technology has evolved, and so has design.
I don’t care about the pentaprism and the mirror, but I do care about a big and heavy camera body that is ergonomically easy to hold and use, and has all the relevant buttons and dials in all the relevant places, instead of buried three menus deep or requiring off-action attention and an untrimmed fingernail to press, lest you accidentally press a movie record button or switch the shooting mode.
The smaller a camera is, the harder it is to use it, and the slower and worse the lenses it can comfortably support.
I can run with my E-3 and my 50-200 on it, held single-handedly, whereas a friend of mine accidentally picked up a PEN attached to a 50-200 by the camera instead of the lens, and it tore off the mount.
Nothing wrong with that, but then, why do you bother with m43 at all? Seems not to be made for you 🙂
If you knew anything about design is that form follows function. RF-like mirrorless cannot, by essence, be a fad because mirrorless (as its name suggest) removes the pentaprism and mirror structure, thus, the whole DSLR hump is unnecesary. So tell me what are left over with after this ? pretty much every mirrorless in the market right now (except Pany G line). The removal of the hump of course doesn’t mean we don’t need a VF (despite what Pany and Oly seem to think), and as the NEX 7 proves, you can easily acomodate a VF in a sleek mirrorless; the fact that it needs to go on the left-side corner has nothing to do with following the ¨rangefinder¨ fad, it has to do with the fact that people have noses, and pressing your greasy nose against the LCD screen is annoying unless you’re Voldemort.
Also, why do you waste your time in this site ? all you do here is moan and complain about mirrorless specially those that don’t follow the DSLR dress code. If you want a BIG and HEAVY camera body then for canon’s sake do all of us a favor and get a freaking DSLR and stop complaining! If you actually liked mirrorless you wouldn’t come here to complain since you already have your necessities covered by G and GH cameras so why not let this other side of the market get its share fun ?
What’s wrong with you?
This is 43rumors.com, not m43rumors.com, and I have a serious investment into the Olympus system, which 99% of the mirrorless fanboys here don’t.
“which 99% of the mirrorless fanboys here don’t”
Priceless… an Olympus user calling fellow enthusiasts “fanboys” because they don’t share his same taste. HAhaha that is snobbery within snobbery.
Yes, the name should definitely be updated since 95% of the Admin’s posts relate to mFT, not FT. There’s a reason for this, Olympus has pretty much walked away from FT since it never took hold in the market, to my thinking because the dummies in marketing never properly advertised its strengths (best 3 tiered SG/HG/SHG lens system in the business, great OOC colors, cameras ranging from the OM inspired small/light E-xxx/SG series to the bulletproof E-x/HG/SHG series, etc., etc.).
I just bought an E-PM1 after giving up hope they’d ever upgrade the E-xxx with the latest sensor/Truepic processor and possibly an EVF to further shrink/lighten the body. Now if I could just get that darn sensor/processor into my E-620!
It will be ironic if this new camera gets this together in the guise of an mFT that properly handles SG and smaller HG 4/3’s lenses. Of course they’ll now charge a king’s ransom for it, LOL.
Voldemort hahahahaha that was a good one :p
@ Booo
Either you are not reading all the way through, or your not thinking it all the way through before posting. I never said that rangefinders WERE around in the early 1900’s – I said that they HAVE BEEN around SINCE the early 1900’s. As in – that style has persisted for almost 100 years. In your last comment you again called it a temporary fad, but it is actually a good example of the exact opposite of what “temporary fad” means.
And it is NOTHING like releasing a model T… because the rectangular shaped body never went out of style or experience obsolescence. If you want to use a car analogy, it is more akin to saying that automobiles with four wheels is “a temporary fad” despite the fact that that style has been with us, uninterrupted, for the past 100 years since the model T.
You then seemed to change the subject entirely to talk about manual controls and solid build quality and materials. Guess what? That has nothing to do with the DSLR vs rangefinder shape. Those of us who prefer the shape that you are referring to as “rangefinders” also want manual controls and lens mounts that do not separate from the body. Those issues are due to marketing strategies and cost saving NOT the difference between the two shapes.
Take a look at telephones from early last century. Then take a look at those manufactured until the eighties-nineties. Any similarities? Indeed – a rotary dial and a chorded headpiece.
How do phones look these days? Nothing like that. They have screens and buttons. Now, if you want to get rich and can invest money, modernize the rotary phone (like Apple did with Braun’s industrial products and stole the designs of Dieter Rams) and sell it 😀
Technology evolves, design evolves.
While you technically can place a dozen buttons and dials on a classic rangefinder-like cam, it would be unwise to do so, since it would be a usability nightmare. Modern cameras require many buttons and dials.
Likewise, while you technically can mount a bright zoom on a rangefinder cam, it’s hard to maintain structural integrity of the camera to support the weight of that zoom, and it would be seriously hard to use, because the centre of the mass of such a contraption would wreak havoc on your wrist and likely send you to the hospital.
This *is* a temporary fad, because small camera bodies simply cannot do what large camera bodies can.
Again, I think you are having a hard time staying on one topic. Why would it be more difficult to place manual controls or maintain structural integrity on a rectangular body??
You are aware, I hope, that most actual rangefinders are larger, and much more solidly built than your panasonic faux-dslr.
Finally, whether or not a camera has a mirror hump, makes absolutely no difference to centre of mass. And as for a trip to the hospital due to wrist problems… well, nevermind.
I just figured out from your last sentence why this has been so confusing. It appears that you are actually talking about “larger vs smaller” but instead mistaking it as a “dslr vs rangefinder” debate. I cant say this any clearer: the pens are not small because they are rectangular. They are small because someone in the marketing department decided they wanted to show off the size advantaged of m4/3 and place it close to compact cameras.
Hold a real rangefinder in you hands and then reread your comments. While you are at it, look up the word “fad” in the dictionary. You insistence on calling this shape a fad does not change the fact that it is the exact OPPOSITE.
Mr. Fish, I’ve been shooting Zorkis (and even Zenits) since the seventies, then got an M5 in the early eighties. I know what a rangefinder is and how big it is. While bigger than m4/3 cameras, they’re still small and unsuitable for modern demands on photography. That era is gone. I loved it, and I still shoot film for fun, but I’m not going to take a step back to small cameras and low usability. There simply is no comparison between a proper rangefinder and a big DSLR.
Happy New Year! 🙂
Tore it off the mount? Post a picture, because frankly, I don’t believe you.
Yes, an E-7 that switchable/configurable between MFT and FT mode to use lenses of both worlds.
Will this be the camera that makes the m4/3 community feels like foung Shangri-la? 🙂
I would like a camera which is not as small as possible, but a camera with excellent ergonomy. This is compromized with today’s line-up. (You may say the GH2 is there, but I disagree. It is more bulky than the rest and just a little better.
I would also like a simple and logical user interface. F.i the Olympus invention that forces you to always toggle to fin the information you need on the LCD. Really silly – I tried to like it for two years, but ended up hating it.
Concerning IQ: a step or two better dynamic range would be useful. High ISO quality like G3/GH2 is enough for me. We have Lightroom and above all Topaz that makes wonders with noice.
What would be awesome is a double mount built-in to the camera so you can natively mount a 4/3 lens and an mu4/3 lens. The mounting is possible, but probably gonna require twice the amount pins, though, to send the signals for both types of lenses.
Would be cool, though!
But the distance from mount to sensor is different. So I don’t think it can work.
As much as I like the Panasonic cameras, Olympus still has a big edge due to IBIS and much better jpeg processing.
That IBIS issue is huge, because it makes all 26 M4/3 lenses (plus thousands of legacy lenses) more useful on an Olympus body than on a Panasonic one.
The jpeg issue is important too, because jpegs are still the preferred shooting format for everything but the most difficult lighting conditions. I find myself shooting in jpeg+raw, and only using the raw file when the camera generated jpeg is unsatisfying. Which really isn’t very often.
But does IBIS really work? On E-PL2 I had to turn it off most of the time because it blurred photos that would have been fine without it. Or maybe I am wrong? But I read this elsewhere too. I haven’t yet been able to confirm that IBIS works in a systematic test.
OK tried it again with the big Lumix zoom lens at 300mm. IBIS works fine and reduces blur. The stabilizer in the lens works fine too and seems to be slightly better.
I never turn the IBIS off and I haven’t noticed any blurred shots on my E-P1. And I really looked for it, when there was a rumour that the kit lens caused blurred shots at certain shutter speeds.
PLS with any kind of PANORAMA-Function that sticks the pictures together!!!!
People on this forum keep telling me how crappy my camera’s sensor is. People outside this forum keep telling me they like my photos.
Strange…
+1
How about if both are right? for some the demands are met by the current sensors..for others, maybe its not enough….how about that?
I don’t disagree with you. I know it’s nice to pick up a piece of equipment and know that it is “state of the art”. But when you compare photos at usual sizes in usual circumstances, nobody can tell you which camera took which photo, without the exif data.
I either like a photo, or I don’t.
My Olympus takes a lot of photos I like.
+2. God bless the measurebators.
+3 – All this sensor whining is so tiring.
Luckily, Olympus is a financially sound company, with a clear path to market dominance in the coming years. Oh, wait, maybe not…
@doug nash
…old news, move along…
What Olympus need to do:
Make a pro rangefinder-looking camera with a NEW sensor that has MUCH IMPROVED DYNAMIC RANGE!
They need to price it at the level the E-P3 is today, NOT HIGHER!
They need to lower the price of the E-P3 to the level that E-PL3 has today.
What I dont get is why any camera manufacterer just dont make THE camera.. Is it a dead end to make a camera that people is asking for??
Well well.. I´ll just keep on waiting for a great camera to replace my Nikon D3.. Sensor size does not matter much to me any more, but size and AF-speed does. AND PRICE. I will not pay the absurd price for the GX1, which I believe is the best m43 alternative today, except for the outreageous pricing.
NO MORE FOR PANNY SENSOR IS OK. WE NEED NEW SENSOR BEATS SONY AND FUJI.
look out, your caps lock is activated…
No soup for you! 🙂
There are many things they should improve. But this site obsesses over just a few.
How about silent shutter. Crazy that I have a small discrete camera for intimate photos and it makes a loud “cl-thunk” noise every time I take a photo.
How about better video. Find a way to eliminate jello please.
Smart auto ibis, that turns off when not needed.
Add shooting mode to the SCP.
The blue light that comes on when the power is on is way too bright.
Voice recognition for menu settings would be great.
The plastic door over the ports is flimsy.
Orientation sensor would be nice (non clicking one).
If Olympus have to reuse the 2009 sensor again, it will become embarrassing. Much better higher iso and DR performance are a must at this stage. If they don’t have it, they should stay at home.
And it’s greedy I know but a sub-2.0 aperture MSC pancake would be really nice. A 17mm MkII for example.
But really, more than happy with the Pen Mini already. If I have to save to get a new Olympus, it will have to be pretty good.
Let me get this straight, you want a silent shutter and dimmer blue “on” light so people don’t know you’re shooting, but also want voice recognition so they can instead listen to you talk to your camera? Oh yeah, I know, you mean “whisper” recognition!
No harm intended, just made me laugh. It’s amazing how we all scratch our heads over why one company can’t make the perfect camera with the obvious feature set, yet each of us somehow has our own different list 🙂 .
no – this is the perfict camera 🙂
Think of an E-P3 and do this to it :
Relativly easy to implement: i.e. no extra processing probably possible with just a F.W. update, as most of these are menu changes or very simple counting options.
1)Exposure Bracketing 1-99 shots 0.3ev-3.0eV
2)Apature Bracketing 1-99 shots 0.3ev-3.0ev
3)ISO bracketing 1-99 shots 0.3ev-3.0ev
4)Focus bracketing 1-99 shots 1% from focus point to 100% of focus range.
5)Hyper focal switch (automaticly detecting and correctly setting for any FL & apature).
6)Distance to focus point (m/cm switchable to ft/inches).
7)Display of zoom in mm.
8)Ability to set a goto (user set) focus point.
9)Ability to set a goto (user set) zoom point (motorized zoom lenses only).
10)Ability to set Focus range (user definded from/to, in m/cm & ft/inches) to any range of distances.
11)Intervalometer 1-999 frames (0 for infinate) delay set from 1sec to 365 days i.e. Sec/min/hr/days.
12)Build in bulb exposure times/timer (i.e. allow the camera to expose upto 30min without the need for relese cable).
13)MF checking zoom view, configrable zoom ranges 2x 3x 4x 5x 6x 7x 8x 9x 10x 11x 12x 13x 14x (programable so you just add as many of these zoom factors (from 1 of them to all of them) as you want to the “use these” menu).
14)Real time veiw of highlight/dark area clipping in VF.
14b)Half press shutter cancles zoom focus mode.
14c)Definable shutter speeds that IBIS or OIS works in.
14d)Option for adjustments and metering in 1/3ev, 1/6ev, 1/24ev 1/100ev (smooth sunset transitions with timelapse).
14e)Apature priorety meatering upto 60sec exposure.
14f)When in bracketing mode camrea will cahin off automaticly the required number of images with just a single press/activation of the shutter.
More complex to implement: i.e. some hard core software progremming – probably no need for a change of HW but would require a large amount of software reprogramming.
15)Trigger shutter or video (for definable duration) by sound (with a variable frequency and volume sensativity).
16)Trigger shutter or video (for definable duration) by movement/change in frame (with variable % of change to set trigger point).
17)Trigger shutter or video (for definable duration) by brightness (user set level camera will take pics in, either when cirtain brighness is reached or when cirtain darkess is reached).
18)Focus peaking. (ability to also combine this with 14)
19)Auto panorama stiching (allowing full 360° and from 2-10 images – I assume mem requirments would limmit the maximum images to buffer size)
20)Auto Image stacking (form 2-10 images, same limmitation as in point 18)
21)auto cha’ cha’ 3D method (using tilt shift sensor to guage distance (menu difinable from 10mm – 1m) and initiate 2nd shot) auto photo rotate & align + composite and storage as JPS (jpeg stereo) (keeping full 4k res per eye).
Specificly video related features – some might be hard to implement without new tech… although GH2 probably has the HW for the job right now!
22)3 video modes, MJPEG video codec, AVCHD format and MP4 unlimmited codec.
23)Bit rate switch form 17mbit/s, 24mbit/s, 36mbit/s 50mbit/s. (obviously AVCHD will only have the 17+24 settings).
24)Frame rate selectable from 0.1fps to 60fps in all video modes.
25)Over crank video mode 120fps at reduced res (maybe 1280×720 HD?)
26)1920×1080, 1280×720, 768×576, 640×480.
27)all video p mode no i… you can take 60p and make 60i form it should you need to.
28)Digital video zoom (a la GH2) allowing 1:1 sensor output.
29)Digital IS – working on an image larger than 1080HD – so output remains pure 1080 but input to stabalizer algorythem is 10% biggger. (i.e. 2200×1200 ish).
These options will need new design/chage of H.W.
30)3 rotary controls on camera (like EP3 but with one extra at front by fore finger rest)… Shutter/apature/ISO.
31)Camera trigger and sync option (via infared and cable) camera can be set to master or slave. Master will trigger slaves in perfict sync (0 delay time). Master could also trigger multiple cameras with a variable delay from 1/1000 sec to 99sec. Also master can send all exposure and camera settings to slaves, or slaves can be independedntly set, each camera can be setup as a number for sequence fireing mode (0-999… 0 being the master) – if 2 cameras have the same number they will fire at the same time! Obviously all camera 1s fire first then 2s then 3s ect ect as defined by the delay set in master. Total number of cameras in seqence/chain is automaticly sent to master so setup is easy.
32)Top quality 921k Organic LCD. (swivel like GH2, so can face in to protect screen if required).
33)Built in EVF OLED 3Mpix.
34)All cameras at least GH2 sensor, probably nessasery given video requirments!
35)A.C. power input!
36)SDK for compleat control of camera via usb on a PC (also this SDK avalible for android).
37)Not just SDK but also a manufacture made application like SLR remote pro for PC+Android (shipped with cam).
38)Camera OS supports 3rd party apps so compleat cusomization is achivable.
39)Mini jack for 2 channel mic input.
40)4:2:2 1080 60p HDMI out.
41)Weather sealed.
42)Electronic shutter.
43)Assuming 42) 1/50,000 sec max shutter speed.
44)Burst rate (for 10 frames/untill buffer fill) shooting upto 100fps (light allowing and assuming electronic shutter), burst speed defined by user in fps.
45)Removable I.R. filter.
46)Removable Brayer filter? (may not be possible).
47)swopable sensor – A)6Mpix no bayer, Astro king. B)6Mpix low light/high DR. C)12Mpix as is balance. D) 24Mpix low ISO landscape king.
48)PDAF ability/support – either via adaptor or nativly.
49)Wifi conetability for data and control (also for chaining cameras using camera sync option point 31)
50)GPRS logging (and direction pointed)
51)Bluetooth for data and control (also for chaining cameras using camera sync option point 31)
52)Mini jack for headphones audio monitoring.
53)Assuming 42) 1/50,000 flash sync speed.
54)Camera treated with NEVERWET nano tech.
55)Built in apps like Stelarium and Google earth…(could wifi/bluetooth to your phone for data)???
Ok Jim, I’ll take two of them thanks!
Yeh I know, they would be the dogs bollox! 🙂
The only thing I hope is that the camera will not look like this ugly rangefinder piece, which admin grabbed out from the film era. A body similar to a GH2 would be prefect.
Just buy a GH2 or an E620.
Some people find that 35 SP (and it’s design) very nice.
What would happen if Oly simply repurposed one of their 4/3 SLR bodies for M4/3?
Mass suicides by PEN users? 😉
I don’t find that Oly particularly great looking. Check out the Konica Auto S2. I had one when I was a kid. Nice camera, strong lines, great look, too, without the fussy details.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sparkrobot/1010672278/
http://konica.awardspace.com/page40/page61/page61.html
Get a freaking GH2 then! I don’t get all these guys coming here saying there shouldn’t be a Pen like the Nex7, why do you insist in forsaking a market that hasn’t even been looked and then dare to shove the DSLR concept down our throats, as if there wasn’t any existing DSLR-like camera, I mean C’ mon ! really ?
Just get a freaking GH2
Maybe it’s the flip side of all these people who insist the GH2 should somehow morph into a rangefinder style camera.
Clearly, there should be BOTH style bodies with built-in viewfinders, in addition to all the current P&S style bodies.
DSLRs – check.
DSLR-like ILCs – Check.
RF style ILCs w/optional VF – Check.
RF style ILCs w/VF – Only NEX7 (M9?)
So an m4/3 RF style camera with a built-in viewfinder would actually fill a gap. And based on the popularity of the X100 and the Nex7, it should be a winner.
What AMVR and I are saying is that if you like the GH2 or G3, get a GH2 or G3. There is no shortage of DSLRS and DSLR like bodies.
Choice is good.
+1
Simple. There are way enough of this gripless, unergonomic soap boxes, called PEN or GF. It is time for real body concepts with big enough controls instead of flimsy multicontrollers, with good usability, instead of menu driven compact style “system cameras”.
By the way, I have a GH2, but I think it would be good it there would be a competitor from Olympus for it. So far Olympus has failed to produce such a thing, leaving behind its traditional customers, for which the PENs aren’t a replacement.
…what is a “real body concept” and “system cameras”? And you’d prefer larger controls over multicontrollers with good usability? I don’t follow…
Real bodies are those, where function is more important than style, i.e. GH2 vs. PENs. System cameras are cameras with interchangeable lenses. And, yes, larger, dedicated controls are much preferable to controls, where a tiny, flimsy wheel and a four way controller is jammed into one nearly unusable thing (see PEN cameras and GF3).
In other words: a rugged, weather sealed camera with the user interface of a PEN, does not make much sense. Too tiny, too flimsy controls
So you want a larger body system camera with more controls that’s not soapbox shaped right, right?
Olympus E620
Olympus E5
Pentax K5
Nikon DXXXX
Canon Rebel Whatever
Sony Alpha AXXX
Panasonic GH2
Panasonic G3
Etc.
E620 – No video and won’t work with m43 lenses
E5 – Video only 720 not 1080, and won’t work with m43 lenses
GH2 – No IBIS, problematic for people with Oly lenses especially at long focal lengths
G3 – No IBIS, problematic for people with Oly lenses especially at long focal lengths
Yes, systems from other makers have some of the capabilities listed below, but then I would need to switch lens mounts to throw away my investment in 43 or m43 lenses. Switching mounts and making an investment in a system with a different lens mount would also make the decision to return to a 43 mount more difficult.
My preferred feature list:
– Support for 43 and m43 lenses (adapter solution is fine, although auto-focus needs to be functional and be reasonably fast)
– Ergonomic body to work with larger zoom lenses (possibly through substantial/strong add-on prothesis for camera)
– 1080p video, at least 30 fps, support for 60 fps would be better
– IBIS (necessay for Oly lenses, especially long focal length ones)
– Built-in or VERY securely and substantially attachable EVF for shooting in traditional position with camera held up to eye
– Fully-articulating (tilt, twist and rotate) LCD for shooting in non-traditional-positions
– Included pop-up flash
– Access to hot shoe for GPS add-on or external flash even when using EVF
– Better sensor than E30, E5, and existing Pens
– Dual card slots, 1 CF and 1 SD preferred
Basically, I want an E5 (with EVF instead of OVF) that has a better sensor, 1080p video, and the ability to use both m43 and 43 lenses with IBIS.
Oly has most of these technologies and has included them in various separate cameras but not one camera that really unites their m43 and 43 systems.
For many features that I listed, a reasonable product strategy might have developers test and perfect each of the individual features in the Pens before combining the technologies into a higher end (and therefore higher price) camera.
I see. It’s just that you used certain terms to differentiate the two, but which really applied to both. There really is no need to give disparaging labels to cameras you dislike, considering both types are real and both are system cameras.
Dedicated controls would be nice. However, they also require more space and hence, a larger camera. A larger camera, though more comfortable in the hand, might not function as well depending on context. It is larger and more conspicuous, and likely heavier. Smaller bodies have their place, but sacrifices have to be made to make them work.
It’s just like mobile phones. Larger screens are better for watching video and using the internet no, but it means that they are more uncomfortable inside the pocket. It also means that there is no space for a dedicated tactile keyboard, or the phone must be thicker if one is included.
If I could have my way, all bodies would be weathersealed and there would be no need for aggravated bickering about which form is better.
An E-P3 is not grip-less unless you want it that way. It can be grip-less, have a small grip, or a large one.
Plainly you don’t know what you’re talking about.
They should advertise this with Marc Anthony and Rain Over Me song. Just like they did advertise PEN with Kevin Spacey. I can’t wait how well their marketing can handle this time!
Oh, could this finally be the camera to replace my E-3..? Exciting!
I seem to recall a discussion of a new/the next Oly sensor some time ago. As far as I remember, the key properties were something like: (1) not much higher resolution; I read that to be 12 Mpx, (2) significantly improved dynamic range, (3) significantly improved high ISO performance. Although Oly made some claims about similar improvements in the e-p3 sensor (partially supported by lab tests of a French photo magazine), my impression was that the discussion was about a post e-p3 sensor. My impression was also that the “sales pitch” was similar to that used by Fuji on their coming system camera.
In my view, the e-p3 is far from a failure. The first improvement I noticed when switching from point-and-shoot to dslr in 2006 (D80) was a much higher fraction of photos in focus. A German photo magazine tested the best dslrs against the e-p3 an the Panny GH1 (I think) wrt fraction of photos in focus — 2-3 months ago, and the m43 cameras were the clear winners. The Oly FAST system is a significant improvement in e-p3.
What about the e-p3 sensor? In my view, it is comparable to that in my 2008 D300. So — somewhat dated. A somewhat lower resolution than that of competitors. Most reviewers claim the ISO 6400 results are disastrous, and recommend to stay below ISO 1600. So what? In my view, the competing sensors are just as disastrous at ISO 12 800, and should be kept below 3200 (with a couple of exceptions). Thus the e-p3 needs a factor 1.4 better aperture in lenses. Of course, this is not good! But the competition is not miles ahead. “Everyone” talks about the NEX7. From what I have seen, I prefer the X100 sensor.
What properties should a “pro PEN” have? (i) Built-in, very nice EVF, (ii) sensor ought to (at least) catch up with the GX1, (iii) weather sealed (I don’t want to have to be careful because of drizzle), (iv) more snappy continuous mode, with tracking auto focus — 6-10 fps?, (v) improved usage of 43 lenses, (vi) improved video mode (to be expected because of 12-50 lens), (vii) improved button quality/layout/logics. To me, tilt/swivel LCD is not important, but I don’t mind it.BTW, I don’t expect the rumored new camera to fix all my wishes.
E-P3 sensor is the same as E-PL2. I have both and they produce exactly the same high ISO quality problems. Sometimes E-PL2 is even better than E-P3.
i-iv: sure
v: they are going to be too big for a rangefinder body (rent the 50-200 and see what i mean)
vi: please, no. if you really care about video get a panny.
vii: well, that is implied by ‘weather sealed’
tilt: I’d love it – nice to have – but it will sell just as well without. and be “smaller”
Okay, here is what i would hope to be able to expect:
An improved sensor possible G3 which would be fine as Olympus is very good at getting the best out of sensors, or a new one.
A smaller AF box for even more precision AF…
the pen form factor so when they release a handgrip it will be compatible with the previous pens, the handgrip could come in two forms one for heavier lenses and one for them m43rds lenses. One handgrip could potentially solve the af problem with 43rds lenses.
Dont really mind the EVF issue, built in, not built in, I have the VF2 so i would prefer to save 150 on the cost and not have it built in.
same light AA filter as E-5… well, thats pretty much it, maybe also the ability to create out own filters and upload them tot he camera.
Ab
“Dont really mind the EVF issue, built in, not built in, I have the VF2 so I would prefer to save 150 on the cost and not have it built in.”
No need to sacrifice, just go to Panasonic. Their G3 with same sensor as the GX1 also includes an EVF and fully articulated 3″ LCD. Price? $200 less than the GX1 last time I checked. Love their math!
YEah, but i said i didnt want an EVF cost i have the VF2 🙂 and i like olympus jpegs, they save me wasting my time with PP. I do a lot of it for work, so i dont want to do too much for pleasure.
Ab
Is that a film advance lever? Is it a film hybrid?? LOL Just kidding. Looking good. I am in the market for a 4/3 or similar soon and this looks interesting. Hope you have a Happy New Year!
If this new camera can’t beat X100 on image quality, noise control, Hybridviewfinder, Olympus doesn’t stand a chance. Fujifilm has set the bar very high for anyone who tries to copy cat them. Weather sealed is nice to have, but not a selling point. Btw, E-P3 is a big disapointment thought. Olympus and Panasonic should join their venture, they have so much to borrow from each other.
The X100 is a fixed lens body which gives them license to have a hybrid viewfinder, not a valid comparison to ILC’s. From what I’ve read it also had a lot of bugs when first released, something Olympus typically avoids.
For me, the key to this camera being a success is a state-of-the-art sensor that can at least compete with that in the 5n at high ISO’s and for DR.
We all know based on their work with the 3 year old Panasonic 12MP sensor that Olympus can work magic if given the chance; they simply need a current sensor design to start from. Could be Samsung, could be Fuji, could be Panny G/GH.
To bring out a stylish upper-end mFT body with weather sealing and hopefully a great EVF would be a fools errand without something special at its heart. Akin to Ferrari releasing a new sports car with an outdated engine.
It all boils down to how it performs. Doesn’t have to be high MP’s, just nice clean photos from ISO 100 to 6400 and with truly improved DR.
There isn’t much wrong with the E-P3 sensor IMHO and since I’ll be upgrading from an E-P1 (which I’m very happy with, generally) I’ll probably notice any difference. Weather-sealing, better high-ISO performance and pro-quality (lockable) switches are I’d what I’d like. Integral viewfinder would be nice.
Anything without a new sensor is a failure ! I have s strong feel this will be SLR type to replace E5 .
Admin , is this the PEN pro since early rumours ?
In the last two to three years, seven Pens have been released relative to one E-5.
Maybe Oly is going to stop making cameras with E-5 ergonomics for long focal length lenses and only build Pens (and many variants of them)?
Being an Oly fan, I’m pleased to hear this. However, I also realise that my happiness will have a threshold, limited only by the sensor on this camera. Oly will not get the latest and greatest sensor from Panasonic. Thats pretty much a given. If Oly wants to come out on top they have to announce that they have got a new sensor from a new provider. They have to break away from Panasonic. Until that happens, they will always be ridiculed for having old generation sensors no matter how great the viewfinder is or how great the weather sealed body is.
I’m wishing against all odds that they make a surprise announcement about a new sensor tech from a new provider this PMA!
Agreed, but the trolls can always find something to trash. esp with Olympus.
Don’t even count on a new sensor yet.
I would honestly be happy with the G3 sensor (I think the GH2 sensor is unlikely). I feel Panny’s current sensors are highly underrated – they go toe to toe with current APS-C sensors, but at a higher pixel density. Yes, it doesn’t have the DR of the latest Sony sensors, but nothing else does either. We seemed to get by perfectly fine without all that DR before Sony gave it to us – now suddenly it’s an essential camera feature! I’m not saying it wouldn’t be nice, but the G3 (and GH2) sensor really is very good anyway.
I do agree it would be commercial suicide if Oly released this with that ancient 12MP sensor yet again – that one wasn’t even a very good sensor when it was first released.
I agree that the sensor is aged and a new one is needed to stay competitive. Thats the industry. Heck, I keep going back to the GH1 sensor, which was the best to date on a M4/3 as far as DR and ISO. What happened to it?
But I’ve received money and praise from work with that old sensor (and older ones) and never had a client say “I don’t like the dynamic range of your photos.”
It seems we’re always looking for the next great thing that’ll make us great photographers (been guilty of this many times), when we should be investing in ourselves and our skills.
They way i see it, Olympus cant screw this camera up because it will be as good as an e-p3 if not better plus weather sealed and viewfinder. This is the camera everyone has been waiting for. Patience is a virtue and i think my dream cam is right around the corner.
> I feel Panny’s current sensors are highly underrated – they go toe to toe with current APS-C sensors, but at a higher pixel density
If anything they are mediocre at best.
Sony pulls two stops more (=four times as big) of dynamic range out of only marginally larger photosite/pixel than in G3.
Nikon 1’s Aptina sensor has clearly smaller pixels and also that can give slightly more dynamic range.
Heck, even Powershot G12 can give one stop more (=doubled) of DR because of reasonably selected base ISO.
That should tell the quality of G3 sensor when small compact sensor can outperform it!
It figures that GH1 and GH2 sensors are Panasonic’s best because according to their marketing their top products are unimportant and not something they want to sell.
Olympus want the users to beg on knees what they really want and rhey need to wait years and years for it and then get it only almost…For me i m still waiting for an E1 replacement which makes the original justice. This was the last olympus up to the competition when released. thats why I sold all olympus in the meanwhile incl shg lenses. Waste of time and money . The panasonic sensors were are the fauxpas of the decade. I havent regretted once since jumping ship
Hopefully Oly takes E-1 as base for high end body design because it was also actual attempt to improve ergonomy from film SLR but all photography evangelist and pro(phets) were too darn obsessed in keeping hitting nose to body/LCD.
With PDAF capable sensor that would make body capable to using also 4/3 lenses with good ergonomy.
Oh but you haven’t jumped ship. You’re still standing on the deck complaining.
hilarious 🙂
+ PANORAMA- Funcion !!!!
+100
Unlikely, though.
Yes! and in addition to that, I hope they’ll have sony’s auto HDR function, especially for people like me who don’t like post processing. No harm having it for people who shoot raw anyway.
R&D time better spend on other things, like innovation. So some harm imo.
It all sounds interesting. I’m glad I bought a compact for now so I can see what directions will be taken by Olympus, Panasonic, Sony, Fuji, Leica and maybe Canon. There is so much movement in the ILC market (and the compact market as well) that I think the next year (or two) will be about manufacturers trying various market segments while they establish their position.
In the long run I might write off my 7D and move to a more compact ILC when the various systems have taken more definitive positions, so I know what I’m buying into. For now m4/3 can still shift in various directions. I could see Olympus making a rangefinder style body, but could also understand it if they go head-to-head with the G3 or anticipate the GH3.
“I think the next year (or two) will be about manufacturers trying various market segments while they establish their position”
You’ll wait much more than two years. Take a look where m4/3 and NEX were after two years. It takes time to develop bodies and lenses. If Canon comes out with mirrorless system in 2012, there will be two bodies and three lenses at the start.
Sure, but m4/3 was initially unique and NEX as well. Next year Fuji, Leica and possibly Canon will show their cards and make it somewhat easier to see where the various manufacturers will go. Fuji and Leica will no doubt aim at the high end market. I wonder how they see that segment. Canon might not release a mirrorless and instead market high end, large sensor compacts.
The period of one or two years is mostly for me to decide whether I will stick to a DSLR as my primary camera, or that maybe ILC’s are a more suitable alternative. Right now there is too much movement and too much unknown.
re-release 35 SP with digital innards!
shouldn’t be too hard even if that photo is the only reference.
Hope it will have an articulating LCD
+1000
They already have it on their DSLRs, they have the technology.
If Olympus is planning high-end model seriously it has to have the best 4/3 sensor possible. So far we know it’s the GH series multi-aspect sensor. Every other current version of 4/3 sensors no matter how they are tweaked them are pulling out just the same DR of the 10Mpix ones from the past. And it’s been awhile they introduced those ;).
If it is the same 12mp sensor all over again I won’t buy it, but if it is at least the G3 sensor (or something else from someone else???) then it would be worthwhile to get decent high ISO, inbuilt viewfinder, IBIS and weatherproof all in one model..
Will have to sell my ep3 and gh2… LOL
What keeps my optimism at bay is the fact that this has happened several times before and the disappointment afterward has been hard to swallow. It happened when the E-5 was released, everyone assumed a new sensor would come because of its flagship status, instead it used the same lowly sensor from the low-end PL1. Then it happened with the new releases, but then it was worse because we actually got hints from olympus of a leap in performance hence a ¨new¨ sensor was assumed alas it was the same old 12Mp…I’m not holding my breath for Olympus again, I prefer to stay pessimistic and be surprises than to be optimistic and be disappointed, its healthier.
Only way this is going to have any success is with a Fuji or Aptina sensor, for all I care they could release a plastic epm1 with aptina sensor and that would be 100x times better and more desirable than a 12Mp sensor WS EVF-equipped flagship camera.
some messed up ideas on this right here
Hopefully it would be the updated/upgraded e620 m4/3 camera I’m waiting for. One can dream right?
My goodness, Olympus is finally going to make a micro 4/3 camera I’d be very interested in buying! A built-in viewfinder AND weather sealing….sounds great to me, even if they do keep using the 12mp sensor, which I’ve been mostly happy with, as long as it’s a bright sunny day anyhow…
Interesting how Olympus released the kit lens for this camera (the new 12-50 zoom) before the camera itself. But with the way the mirrorless market is taking off, especially since Nikon has now joined the fray, Olympus and Panasonic cannot afford to sit on their backsides. What’s sad though, is even though Panny & Oly pretty much invented the new “mirrorless system camera” segment, they are already losing big time to Sony and Nikon, despite having, over-all, a far superior system, especially in regards to lens choices. I do like Nikon’s focusing system better than anything in micro 4/3, and I love Sony’s big, fat sensors…but neither can take the place of a well designed lens, something that micro 4/3 has in spades.
Even though this seriously could be the first Olympus mirrorless camera that interestes me enough to buy one, I do wonder if Panasonic is going to meet, if not exceed, Olympus in regards to coming out with their own weather-sealed wonder. Time will tell…..
Anyway, this is very good news, and gives us something to look forward to in 2012.
– Olympius
I don’t really understand the interest for weather sealed cameras. I use non weather-sealed cameras in all situations since 1980, and I never had issues with.
In the sea/water environment, I use a sub aquatic camera (Olympus SW).
Maybe a weather-sealed camera is a good alternative in tropical areas, but in Europe when I’m shooting I think it’s a gadget.
Professionals don’t shoot in rain with a second-class camera (sensor). I’d prefer film camera as backup rather than a 4/3 in that situation
Without an upgraded sensor, body upgrade means nothing.
sealing not only for rain but dust and sand, and not only about shooting in rain, but getting to event and back.