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The [shoplink 56521 ebay]Olympus Pen EED film camera[/shoplink] had a built-in viewfinder. Source: DSLRmagazine.
One source contacted me yesterday to say that he heard the PEN-F will be announced on January at CES already along the new 300mm PRO lens. So far I heard Olympus has a press announcement on January 6th.
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53 Responses
If they make a digital PEN-F, will they design it so it has to be held portrait-style to shoot in landscape format and vice-versa? If it is supposed to resemble the original, they’d have to…
How many would they sell?
If it’s supposed to resemble the original, then it should use film, am I right?
We need more info. IMMEDIATELY!!! 🙂
I hope Olympus put the same EVF in this as the EM5 MKII, the Pen series is perfect compromise of form & function but adding the EVF will make it the perfect camera in my eyes, add a swivel LCD so that it can close flat for protection then I’d be made up!
Swiveling lcd would be a big disappointment.
A comment like this highlights just how incredibly difficult it is to satisfy everyone.
Every little feature is the end of the world for different people.
I’ve found that the way that I use my cameras, I barely need a movable screen unless it’s fully articulating. Most shots that I want to take from low or high perspectives I prefer as portrait format, in which case the single axis tilt is totally useless.
i was about to order an e-m5 ii. but now i’ll wait to see what this entails…
Probably no weather sealing… but well, who knows. We will see.
In February, I would say.
weather sealing would be great to have, but like you said it probably won’t.
what i really want is the new amazing IBIS and a tilt/articulated lcd.
i should probably just get the e-m5 ii and stop waiting.
Picture not Pen EED. That’s not how you spell “Exakta.” Sigh.
Yes this is an PenFT, l have one self, it’s very nice.
Fabulously Fantastic Full-frame Fun from Pen-F 😉
Can we have a discussion on how Olympus might differentiate the PEN F from the existing OMD and the competition?
As a GX7 owner, I’d like Olympus to fill this camera’s “niche”. Since the GX7 is 2 years old, I expect improvements of course.
– max 5% larger than GX7
– corner EVF larger than GX7. The LCD can be smaller than usual to keep the height down.
– sensor should match GX8 or whatever is currently the best m43 sensor
– Small hand grip by default (GX7 size or similar), detachable beefier handgrip for longer lenses
– tilt screen
– good physical controls, but no need to go all exposure comp / ISO dial on me
– decent Full HD video
– weather-sealing not required
– 5 axis IBIS, high resolution mode, stacking, bracketing – the usual stuff Oly has to offer.
– price should be no more than 1000€. I’m being realistic, I would like to pay less of course.
Writing this down it’s different from the GX8, but it still reads like E-M5 II with corner EVF …
P.S. in the end it’s probably a fixed lens camera with m43 sensor 😉
Yes, I would agree with every one of your wishes except maybe the smaller LCD. Just as the GX7 used a 16×9 EVF, some cameras used 16×9 LCD to reduce height. I like the larger LCD and maybe it can be the first camera to use the new 4.4mp EVF. As you say, an E-M5II/E-P5 with great EVF in RF design would be about perfect. I want to replace the G5 I use and my 9-18mm is glued to my E-PL7…great combo.
Of course the camera is already designed…so this will have no effect. LOL!
Dual control dials like OMD’s.
Not a giant brick like GX8.
I would be using this as a secondary body…not my primary…so I don’t want it to be an OMD…I want it to be a PENN.
We NEED more info NOW! 🙂
I’m legitimately curious, because I don’t remember what the chatter was at it’s release…but did everyone call the E-M1 a giant brick when it came out? Because it’s literally the same size – actually slightly bigger – than the GX8. And the GX8 has all the same features (except PDAF, which doesn’t take up any volume, obviously). Plus 4K. They’re directly competitive within the market in almost every way.
Oly lovers can’t accept any Panasonic camera as having any good looks.
um…usually. 🙂
C’mon…the GH4 is a very good camera (if you are into video especially…I am not)….but you have to admit…it is anything but beautiful. Functional yes…but not an eyecatcher. It’s nice to have both.
MrsAllCap
From a realistic surface area standpoint the GX8 is larger than the EM1
Remember, its a rangefinder style camera. Not the flagship.
http://camerasize.com/compare/#629,482
Why on earth should we care about surface area? You don’t have issues packing surface area into a bag, you have issues packing protrusions and volume. And the E-M1 is both deeper, with a more prominent grip, and taller with its EVF hump. From any practical point of view it is larger.
And tell Leica that a rangefinder style camera can’t be a flagship. That’s a silly, arbitrary distinction – by any metric except out-and-out video quality, the GX8 is Panasonic’s flagship camera right now.
Look at the front view:
The GX8 is sleek, while the EM1’s EVF hump sticks up 1/ 2″ or so.
In Top View, the only real difference is how far the EVF or grips stick out form the bodies. You can tilt up the GX8’s EVF, so again, it’s much more streamlined than the EM1.
I like the EM1 and EM5 Mark II…especially like the convertible grip for the latter.
I use a EPL-6 w/VF-4 as a get-up-and-go camera which is what I use to go super light weight with like my Panny 14mm f/2.5 or Oly 45mm f/1.8 (or both!..its a tiny kit that does a lot)…. I would love a more capable NEW PENN say in between the GX8 and GM5 size, dual dials, better IBIS. …and again for me it would be a secondary camera. I like the SLR style with substantial grip to handle all lens choices when that is practica. It will be interesting to see what Olympus comes up with.
http://camerasize.com/compare/#629,570
You all must have tiny hands because the GX8 is not giant, nor is it a brick.
I’m finding the GX8 the smallest micro Four-Thirds body that I can use comfortably.
Square-footage-wise…. The GX8 is larger than than the EM1.
I think an MFT rangefinder should be smaller than that.
Just my opinion, though.
http://camerasize.com/compare/#629,482
The GX8 is certainly more comfortable to use than the E-M1 but the batteries are equally tiny.
It’s unfortunate that the company can’t do everything for everyone.
I also wish Pen F to compete with GX8 but in smaller body, but I am affriad it wil be just “retro” stylish camera with many limits and poor features as all pen cams. Oly wants to bring some new attension to itself but I am affraid Pen F will be just a “fun” camera, nothing serious. Than no buy for me.
If I was in the market for one (I’m not with a G6 and GM5), for me it would be more :
– max 10% larger than the GM5 (so smaller than the gx7)
– Otherwise agree with your points
I think hoping for an Oly cam with a substantial grip (not called an EM1) will be a tall order, but otherwise, I’d like to see what you’re describing. I agree with the size similar to the GX7 or older Pens, and then retool the EP-M line for the mini body lovers. Not everything needs to be tiny.
Make sense , reasonable requests .
It looks like this new PEN is the only hope for GX7 holders to upgrade , at least for 2016 .
Let’s hope Oly make it right this time , impress us .
Honestly, all I care about are the photos it can produce. My EM-10 is FAR superior to my old EPL-2 in this area, thanks to a much better sensor that slightly more than doubles the usable ISO.
Unless the sensor changes substantially on this PEN (which no one has suggested will happen), I don’t see the point.
But I do agree with you on one point: It would be great to have a camera that a fully grown adult can comfortably hold without having to buy a separate grip.
I want it to be very successful so I can pick up older models for pennies on the dollar
It would be hilarious yet very welcome if the PEN-F turned out to be full frame E-mount.
Panasonic has already ditched micro four thirds for full frame mirrorless, so why wouldn’t Olympus?
Where did you see that Panasonic ditched mft for FF? Pana may have worked for Leica, but it didn’t ditch anything AFAIK.
Feel free to give any reference to your claims. Thanks.
Yeah, Panasonic having provided Leica with some technologies for Leica’s first autofocus FF mirrorless camera is akin to Panasonic having ditched m43. I guess when Sony provides Nikon with a FF sensor (as it did with the D3x) that is akin to Sony ditching its APS-C product line.
Hahaha, you might be able to argue that Panasonic had ditched M4/3 for full frame as soon as they have launched…even a single product that is full frame. Until then?
Even their professional $50,000 Varicam 35 isn’t “full frame” in the conventional sense, but rather Super 35, which is much closer to APS-C.
…But I understand you’re just trying to get a rise out of those with fragile egos. But recognize that with Sony, Canon, and Nikon throwing cubic dollars at it, there is essentially zero market opportunity for Panasonic or Olympus in Full Frame mirrorless. M4/3 is at least a niche market that has clear benefits that they’ve cornered well.
Just exactly where are all the FF cameras.
http://shop.panasonic.com/cameras-and-camcorders/cameras
Please do explain.
So Panasonic gets butt kicked and raises white flag in M4/3? Hilarious!
I figured an announcement like this was close when I picked up my brand new E-P5 body on sale for only $399 Cdn a couple of weeks ago. It is a terrific second body to go with my E-M1. The handling and ergonomics with the twin dial controls are excellent and very intuitive.
I never thought too much about how a camera looked before (I’m more of a function-before-form type of guy) but I was really taken With the retro styling of the E-P5 in silver which I think is uber-cool looking.
I picked up a used VF-4 for a great price and now the camera can go business or casual in an instant. I’m sure the upcoming PEN -F will be a very capable camera.
$399 Cdn??? Where did you get that? Body only I assume?
They can be get cheap now and then.
I bought mine, a black E-P5 with 25mm f/1.8 and 3 years warranty for 299€.
Special deals are now and then if being observant.
Basically got the body for free…
Where did you get that deal?!?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLYMPUS-PEN-E-P5-16-1MP-MIRRORLESS-DIGITAL-CAMERA-SILVER-MICRO-4-3-NEW-/301828028125?hash=item46465a36dd:g:enoAAOSwxN5WXkfY
Not sure I can belive that… normally the lens alone costs more… used 25mm 1.8 might be 299€
Yes, just the body. At Henrys.com
Soon, the Digital Pen F is just a Pen with a built in viewfinder, or an OMD with a “rangefinder” style body, with the EVF off to the side? I guess it’s a good way to relaunch the Pen line. Oly does do well with their marketing hype up prior to launch, playing to the retro cravings, now if only they could retool their UI a bit.
Same discussion, different day. PEN-F branding is a strong signal: PEN-F is not PEN + EVF.
But… rumors say it will be called Pen something, and it will have an evf……
Do you expect a different mount? A different sensor size? A non-m43 camera? I don’t, but who knows.
Well, the December 15 images of documents from Taiwan definitely show Olympus/PEN-F. There is also today’s FT3 (December 17) that rumors a 20 megapixel Sony sensor, of which there are two 225mm and 116mm. I am certain it will have an EVF because you cannot get a pulse from the enthusiast market without it. The other problem with the PEN is the f3.5-5.6 aperture on the standard zoom, which does not compare well against the Sony RX100, Panasonic LX100, or Canon G7X, Canon G5X, or Nikon A cameras that generally give f2.8 or f1.8-2.8 on their lenses, or in other words 4x shutter to keep you away from ISO >= 1600.