A source from the Hong Kong Forum Dc.home reports that Fujifilm, Panasonic & Toshiba are going to have a joint announcement before mid September. There is yet no detail about WHAT they will announce. But I have strong suspect this could be related to the recent organic sensor development. It certainly would be about time to make such sensors …for real! Two years passed after the big Fuji-Panasonic announcement (article here on 43rumors).
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Fine if the organic sensor happens. Doesn’t mean it will become the next big thing.
Panasonic GH5 coming with this sensor?
It is still one year off to the GH5 release. Chances are good.
Otherwise, since many people use the GH camera for pro work, it would be unwise to rush and put the sensor, untested in the real world, made using a new untried tech.
Don’t you think Panasonic has enough resources to know if the new sensor would be good enough for “real work”. Why even make a sensor if it doesn’t perform better than previous incarnations.
It might perform better in some areas, worse in others. I guess that’s why we haven’t seen it in a real product yet: they are trying to iron out the kinks.
Why wouldn’t they? GH4 is brought and used for “real work”. On top of that, why make anything, if they know it won’t improve on previous incarations? Obviously, they know they’re onto something, which is why they’re partners.
The sensor is not out yet, so nobody knows anything but them. Hopefully, it is the sensor and the first camera using it.
GH4R before GH5.
не знаю. Я не знаю.
Maybe a compact first, if at all.
This is a serious question. How problematic will new sensor techonogy be as far as software is concerned.
Adobe apparently still has problems with the latest Fuji sensor. Will we have to wait years before a good RAW developer exists.
If you’re referring to adobe, we’re still waiting. There are far better raw processors. Adobe is the do all vanilla solution.
But the workflow with Lightroom is just so, so good. There might be better RAW processors, but none make it as easy and accessible to create good images quickly, and that’s important to a lot of people. It’s also why I would never trade my M4/3 kit for a Fuji outfit, because the modest potential improvements for image quality are gone entirely when processing with ACR.
If it’s an organic sensor with a Bayer CFA, Adobe will have no excuse.
but i hope with Micro separator array.
throw Bayer CFA.
Forget LR, Capture One is better alternative. You’ll get much better support of your camera – sharper output with original camera colors. Fuji X system is also supported. I am sure they will implement it sooner than Adobe.
Organic sensors are already widely used in churches.
I think you are confusing with organs and ‘censers’ 😉
So hopefully these three company’s compete with Sony – as Sony seems to be running away in sensor design and production which is OK but limits competition
I would prefer Sony were doing this because they seem to be a more even-handed supplier than Panasonic are. If Simon’s rumour is true and Panasonic required Olympus to limit the video modes in the E-M1via contractual restrictions, then I think it would be better if Olympus were getting their sensors from somewhere else.
“If Simon’s rumour is true and Panasonic required Olympus to limit the video modes in the E-M1via contractual restrictions”
Dumbest rumor EVER.
Stupidest thing I’ve ever heard around these parts. So in return Panasonic had to do what? -Limit ibis in their GX7?
And in return for what? -Sensors? Olympus uses both Panasonic and Sony sensors, so it can’t be that. Even when Olympus has stated that they’re focused on stills FIRST.
This is a rumor only the Olympus fan boy wants to believe, which makes it even stupider.
If there is a video focused firmware update for the E-M1 next month, will you admit you are wrong?
…and I just bought the GX8, lol. Oh well, at least it should still take a while for such sensor to come out to market. If it comes out in a new camera withing the next half year I may get annoyed 😉
Sketchy rumor that if true wont be in a camera for a long time.
How do you like your GX8?
Still trying to get used to it but so far it’s been awesome 🙂 Then again, coming from a GF1 I suppose it was bound to be a big step up 😉
Sell it quick before other people hear about the new sensor.
Photoprotective layer too purple. Sorry, no buy.
Please..GET THE PADDLES….HURRY!!!!….we will need them to resuscitate Yun…. 🙂
Don’t worry , I’m monitoring all the developments at the moment .
It’s wise to freeze all the purchases & wait for further announcements .
The latest m43 sensor ( 20MP ) is not good enough for 2015 ,
m43 need new generation sensor to it’s rescue asap .
I think this is great.
BUT the second image is wrong, today we have back illuminated sensors, the photo diode is above the metal interconnect.
Not all sensors are BSI. Most ILC still have conventional sensors.
panasonic made live-MOS as advance-FSI(Front-Side Illuminate).
sony made exmor-CMOS as advance-BSI(Back-Side Illuminate).
next gen CMOS company introduce TSI(Through – Silicon Illuminate)
It’s probably the announcement of a new mirrorless FF system! Just kidding, I have no idea. But it’s probably the organic sensor.I hope P&F bring this tech to term. It sounds so promising! I assume it’s difficult to iron out the kinks of the new design – it’s said to produce much more heat than a conventional sensor, which is obviously a problem, moreso for video. It is a quite radical shift in sensor design, so I can understand if they don’t want to release it with a severe drawback over state of the art sensors – even if it surpasses them in some aspects. I think we will see the sensor in a small sensor, fixed-lens camera first. From there, you can imrove it.
what about Toshiba ? why they join to Organic Group?
i don’t understand!
Toshida is a great sensor manufacturer, they did some nice sensors for Nikon. Sony is basically dominating the whole market, they are probably partnering up to make front against Sony.
http://digicame-info.com/2015/08/v-loggh4r.html
GH4R with v-log & new processor incoming !!!!
Yeah, or they’ll just announce that they join forces to ramp up production of sensors for automotive and mobile industries 🙂
Because that’s where the money is.
hopefully will bleed into consumer cameras as well
Good news ? .
Toshiba is very good in sensor tech too .
Likely Pana-Fuji need more partners to speed up the organic sensor process .
Good Sign ahead ? .
Let’s make it happen in 2016 .
I have been suspecting something big as Olympus has been holding off with a new E-M1 and will for quite some time…I think that they are working on a major sensor improvement of some kind, too.
Simon already said months ago that the E-M1 II would have a geomembrane sensor, which is likely this one.
Olympus don’t make or develop sensors so they can only use what is available.
Hopefully a new sensor technology is coming, not necessary the organic one. Every progress for m4/3 is important.
I’m a Sony fanboy but this is FANTASTIC NEWS anyway !!!
Hate to break it to you, but this is definitely not news.
May they have borrowed a page from Sony’s playbook, use 65nm copper wiring instead of 0.18µm aluminum to solve the long standing thermal problem.
Organic at last? Race you to the cashier Yun!
High chances this is a big mp (30+ mp) organic sensor, which will shake the industry. These two companies will take the lead on sensor development and put the last nail in the coffin of FF.
And why won’t they make a FF version ?
Though I partly agree with you that sensors are so good that most people don’t need FF.
So you now what people need?
I want the entire camera to be organic and non-GMO and edible
Im America people always seem to think BIGGER IS BETTER. When it comes to sensor size I do like my FF’s and little-uns too
Their goal will be to make this very e expensive development profitable. They are not into senseless battles. If it is good we are going to see this in more than just midsized sensorformats.
I don’t know if it’s really the mythic organic sensor but it’s very likely to be sensor related, Toshiba does have some nice sensors out there.
What about size of new sensor?
Since Fuji is involved, there will likely be two sizes, 4/3 and APSC, with a possibility of a 35mm one for Leica.
I think the gist of the announcement will be:
We make some progress…we’re still working on it :).