As you know the Fujiguys announced that there would be some amazing new Fuji stuff in autumn. Yesterday Photorumors got an info from an unknown source saying that “The Fuji mirrorless system will be launched with a set of new [shoplink 23762 ebay]Fujinon lenses[/shoplink]. There might even be two different mirrorless version announced at the same time.” That’s probably coming from the same source that a couple of days ago said that Fuji would launch”some kind of a mirrorless solution with a sensor probably smaller than APS-C, something in the m4/3 range.” It’s a very long time that Fuji didn’t release any Fujinon Lens for a photo camera system ([shoplink 23762 ebay]Click here to see Fujinon Lenses on eBay[/shoplink]). And I would certainly welcome if those lenses would be made for the m43 system!
Please be careful with that rumor. I don’t know the source and I still didn’t hear anything from my trusted sources. The only thing I noticed is that the Fuji Guys are now following my tweets! Not enough to consider it a prove that they will join m43 soon but at leas I am happy they are reading us 😉
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Reminder -> Rumors classification explained (FT= FourThirds):
FT1=1-20% chance the rumor is correct
FT2=21-40% chance the rumor is correct
FT3=41-60% chance the rumor is correct
FT4=61-80% chance the rumor is correct
FT5=81-99% chance the rumor is correct
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I like to use Fuji films.
Second!
I like to use emulations of Fuji films in PP plugins 😉
it would be great news if Fuji joined the Micro Four Thirds party, I’m only 60% hopeful…
Ditto. It’s equally surprising that they would want to go it alone though. Unless they were going APS and using the Nikon mount.
Wow, if Fuji joins … that’ll be great. They know sensors, they know ergonomics, and they know lenses. And the mFT sensor size is the best compromise to allow for smaller lenses while not giving up on quality: APS-C sensors don’t allow for small interchangeable lenses (see Sony) and smaller sensors give up on High-ISO’s/Depth-of-Field/Dynamic-Range (see Point&Shoot’s).
Fuji by itself is probably not powerful enough to conquer the market, but Fuji + Panasonic + Oly sharing the same standard, now that would become a really big threat for all the others.
Fuji Guys, if you read us, join us! There’s a big, big cake to share, that’s a win-win situation 🙂
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+1 Sir. Join MFT Fuji!
Mmmmmmmm, I wonder what a Fuji EXR micro four thirds sensor would be like 😀
Fujinon lenses. FUJINON LENSES. If they’re back with the same quality as before, sounds definitely exciting.
That’s been the interesting aspect of a m4/3’s Fuji hookup for me, too.
fuji film and video lenses are excelent. they even launched some PL mount zoom lenses for high-end cinematography. I’d love to see this happening.
thats cool, If fuji are actually reading this then:
RUNN RUUNN FUJI RUNN!!!! RUN AWAY FROM PANASONIC SENSORS!!! RUN FUJI RUN!
If Fuji is joining, the only thing I am hoping is that they can come up with their own 43 sensor. This will definitely makes everything very very attractive.
Fuji could have Sigma make them a 3-layered Foveon sensor for their MFT camera with interchangeable Fujinon lenses! Then there would be a lot of DSLR’s on ebay for sale! 🙂
(I dream a lot at night)…
I would pay $2000 for that body!!!!!!!!!
Honestly…I see Fuji developing there own system and lenses…but you never know.
what’s the problem with panasonic sensor?…matched with pana oly leica lens they are able to produce stunning immagine..sharp detailed from corner to corner…with your nex sistem never heppens!;)
IQ, DR, Low light are the problems
I’ve three cameras with Fuji Super CCD. Still like the colors even till today! 🙂
Such an imbecile.
If FUJI join and make m4/3 sensors, cameras & lenses then I think canon and nikon will not have more than 5yrs before they lose the market! (unless they bring in somthing very new and special)… their best bet is to gofor FF mirroless – but I bet they will run into the same issue Oly did with PDAF lenses on a CDAF body! – but canikon will have way more issues as the selling point is they have so many lens to use – they would be all close to redundent!!!!
It’s hard to believe Fuji is going to join m4/3. Perhaps they are going to announce it, but wait indefinitely before they release any products (like they did with 4/3). I have no concrete information of course. Just a feeling.
Guys, I can’t imagine what lenses Fuji can introduce to us that we will find interesting, especially after 12/2.0, 25/1.4, 45/1.8 at their price.
12/1.4 – will be bigger, much more expensive
25/1.0 – will be bigger, even more expensive
50/1.4 – will be bigger, more expensive, too close to 45/1.8
I would however welcome stabilized 75mm f/2.8 macro
What do you think?
What is still missing is a ~16/1.7 non-pancake. The Olympus 17 is just a place holder.
what about 12-60/2.8 ? it would be perfect for reportage
How about crazy wide angles? 7mm F4 would be nice.
Just use the 7-14mm Panasonic? its F4 and I bet the cost of a fixed 7mm F4 would be more than 50% of the 7-14!
How about a 14mm f/2.0 that is sharp edge to edge and does not rely on in camera corrections?
Fuji joining MFT might well mean the death of olympus. So don’t overly hope for too much.
I think exactly the opposite 🙂
The opposite would be: “Olympus leaving m4/3 will be the demise of Fuji” 🙂
Doesn’t make much sense.
However, Olympus has suffered enough under the Panasonic tyranny. A third partner would be most welcome, especially if it brings sensors with it.
Olympus suffer from its speed. Panasonic is quicker in all areas and the only thing that keeps Olympus alive is IBIS. Along with some minor things (better organised menu, better JPEG, etc.). Hopefully, Olympus got some unfilled areas (12mm f/2.0, 45mm f/1.8) in its last announcement, but Panny prepares the HUGE strike with its 12-50 bright zoom.
New powerfull “partner” means fight against two, not one competitor. Weak partner means nothing for us, the consumers. New sensor manufacturer is an interesting partner, but Fuji says “cameras”, not “sensors”… 🙁
And I believe Fuji will not be allowed to have IBIS. In this case the only advantage is some better sensor or body quality. Or a rangefinder style camera with built-in EVF 😉
yes…the more the merrier! More quality product in a stable, growing format would draw more consumers.
Why – they have everything they need bar a competative sensor currently (please let the PRO PEN make good headway on this issue) and maybe if FUJI make 4/3 sensors things might just get better for oly…
There can be different short term and long term results ;~)
Short term, the more the merrier. Sony NEX and Samsung NX are one-off mounts: you’re locked into a maker. m4/3 is relatively unique in photodom (though Pentax screw/K came close) of having multiple companies support. It’s the old proprietary versus open differential in a different form.
But realistically, Olympus is the small fish in the m4/3 sea if Panasonic and Fujifilm are the other two entrants. I doubt that they would win the mass market realm long-term, especially since Fujifilm is functionally better at distribution/marketing than Panasonic. What would be really problematic for Olympus long term would be if Panasonic shoots low and Fujifilm shoots high. That leaves no niche in the system for Olympus to own. But that’s their own fault: they’ve played against their strengths rather than with them in m4/3 so far. If the E-P3 is the most serious high-end product they can produce, long term doesn’t look so good.
@Thom Hogan
it would be nice if you could say something positive about Olympus even occasionally…
Reality hurts doesn’t it.
Among mirrorless formats micro four thirds would be unbeatable with 3 major manufacturers. Customers will have an ever wider selection of gear to choose from with the ability to mix and match hardware.
Why would customers choose anything else.
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“…smaller than APS-C, something in the m4/3 range.” They are probably talking about multi-aspect m4/3 sensor. I don’t know if Fujifilm planing to produce their own large format sensors again but definitely it would be a welcomed alternative to the Panasonic ones. Just bring higher DR and few fast Fujinon primes and 4/3 sensor will match best APS-C performance. Film simulations are nice (if accurate) such as Fujichrome (Velvia, Provia…) and add PRO 160C/S and don’t forget Neopan for BW ;).
The traditional bridge camera with 2/3″ prosumer sensor is history. Of course Fujifilm, with the sweet taste of their X100 is trying to ride on that camera, and exploring new routes. An ILC is a natural progress.
But, if they have estabished themselves with image quality from an APS-C sensor, I find it difficult for Fuijifilm to join the Olympus/Panasonic team.
They could call Samsung, or they could call Sony as well. But I very much doubt any of those would open their doors to their own lens mount. Selling their own cameras are the key enabler to future business.
Either Fujifilm is creating their own Fujinon mount or joining the Micr Four Thirds ???
“But, if they have established themselves with image quality from an APS-C sensor, I find it difficult for Fujifilm to join the Olympus/Panasonic team.” Good point. Performance level depends on how serious Fujifilm takes the new ILC – if they aim for casual users current 4/3 sensors are completely fine for that, and if not, they probably will continue with “luxury” X-x00 series for demanding users. More interesting though, it would be introducing new 4/3 sensor with better performance similar to the best APS-C/DX ones.
> The Fuji mirrorless system will be launched with a set of new Fujinon lenses.
In such a short time, a set of new lenses? Seeing how Oly and Pannay “struggle” with releasing new m43 optics… (Or Sony v. E-mount.)
Chances that we going to see a competitor for Pentax Q just went up slightly higher.
There already is a competitor for Pentax Q, several actually: Canon S95, Oly xz-1, Pana lx-5 etc.
And with bigger sensor
Ian put together a set of E-P3 high ISO OOC JPEG shots up to ISO 12800 (OK, only crops of the high ISO shots) comparing them to ISO 3200 shots from G1 and E-P2.
http://fourthirds-user.com/2011/07/micro_four_thirds_high_iso_noise_compared_g1_ep2_ep3.php
First E-P3 photo is clearly mislabled as ISO 3200, no big deal, it’s pretty obvious. It would have been helpful if he simplified things and stacked the images so you could see all three camera results for ISO 3200 and then go to the E-P3 at ISO 6400. My impression, looks like they gained a stop with the E-P3, wait for RAW to confirm.
Now if he’d also throw in the NEX 5, G3 and X100 that would be really helpful. I have their enlargements at ISO 1600 from the DPR JPEG comparison on my screen now. Based on that, pretty close between the G3 and NEX 5, the E-P3 is hard to tell due to boosted noise reduction and sharpening resulting in some smearing. The clear winner by a lot? X100.
Come on Fuji, join mFT. Please, please, please! I know it’s a smaller sensor than the X100, but seeing what you were able to do with that older APS-C design (from what I’ve read), very intrigued by mFT possibilities.
And I too loved Fuji film. Shot 20 rolls in the late 70’s on a foray through South America, my first SLR experience (Konica TC, loved its Hexanon lens). The colors in the slides that resulted were simply outstanding, made this newbie look awfully good :).
“First E-P3 photo is clearly mislabled as ISO 3200, no big deal, it’s pretty obvious.”
I was wrong, looking at it again they posted the same ISO 3200 twice, once comparatively with the G1 and E-P2, and again sequentially showing the E-P3’s range.
For this to be truly meaningful, however, they should post comparative images from the camera’s current competitors: the NEX 5, G3, and even the X100. The G1 is 2 1/2 years old and the E-P2 sensor isn’t even current with the E-PL2’s. Maybe it came down to what cameras they had on hand.
Go to DPR’s JPEG comparison in their Preview of the E-P3 to view enlarged JPEG’s at all ISO’s for the above cameras. Simply open each in its own tab after enlarging and click back and forth.
This is nice – i would say the EP3 is nearly 1 stop better than the EP2 – ISO 5k on EP3 is fractionaly better than ISO 3.2k on EP2…
Maybe its very good JPG processing, but still if it is just JPG processing then I doubt there would be any need for RAW ever, the noise removal is as good as the best noise filters on any mac/pc app!
Or they realy did make the sensor a little better!
either way Nice… 🙂
Unlike fixed lens camera, for example the X100, buying an ILC is at the same time investing into the system. I think it is risky for Fuji to develop their own mount because of the unseen future of the mount and collection of lens…etc. IMHO, it is wise for Fuji to join one of the existing consortia…m43 could be a good choice 🙂
can you name the other existing consortia?
No~ So m43 is the only choice~ 🙂
mind you the price of the x100 you might as well get a camera system!
I hope Fuji starts making m43 cameras & lenses ASAP.
Some of my favorite photos that I’ve taken were shot with a Fuji P&S camera: Because I had the cam with me, and because (thanks to Fuji) the images look great!
And, as others have said, the more the merrier!
Fuji joining m43 would be the best feasible news for the format, even better than it gaining another sensor manufacturer, I think. WIth Fuji there’d be three m43 companies that, within the last few years, have produced what I consider to be breakthrough products. The economy of scale that could be generated by all three sharing the same mount could lead to less expensive lenses, and thus a realisation of one of the promises of the m43 system.
With not only much less expensive lenses but also a much wider range of bodies than the competition m43 would have a real shot at dominating the CSC sector.
I have to wonder if there’s enough in it for Fuji. I suppose they’d have lower initial development costs by joining the Micro Four Thirds consortium. Fuji would also start out with a viable system of lenses from day one, but of course they wouldn’t be profiting when owners of Fuji MFT bodies buy Lumix or M.Zuiko lenses. If they’re going to make a profit from their camera bodies, they would have to offer something special that entices existing owners of MFT lenses away from Panasonic and Olympus bodies. I can only think of something high end that would do that. And if Fuji only has the capacity to market very few lenses at the launch of their system, once again they will need to sell them to existing owners of Panasonic and Olympus gear. Again, only something high end will do it. Another consumer grade lens isn’t going to sell other than as part of the original kit.
Hello,
I may be wrong but I remain quite skeptical about Fuji joining m43, for a unique but good reason: the highly praised x100 does rest upon a (relatively) outdated 12 Mpix Sensor and I tend to believe that many of the associated RD efforts will find their way in an Interchangeable lens version. As a matter of fact and as a Fuji S5 pro owner, I would dream about an ILC based upon this super CCD version of the sensor but I would rather surmise an entirely new sensor put in the Fuji way ; be that as it may and to my opinion, the very thing about Fuji rests upon colors and there is no way they would ever rely for that purpose upon an actor (Panasonic) that does not belong to the photography heritage.
It is easier to have another sensor fabricated than it is to create a set of lenses.
My first digicam was a 2MP Fuji point and shoot, and for what it was, back in the day… Pretty bleeping good.
Well, apparently things are getting serious. I can hardly wait! Even if it’s not M43, I’d still love another player to get into the game – and Fujifilm does have some history behind.
Fuji’s strong point:- 1) APSC Sensor 2) Colors 3) Skin Tone. Think a mirrorless interchangeable APSC camera would be GREAT!. Go Mirrorless for compact size and weight advantage. Interchangeble for more flexibility. Would prefer APSC rather than Four Third due to depth of field reasons (we want more bokeh effect) and high ISO capability . Image Stabilization in sensor to lessen possibiility of blur photos. Think there is no camera in the market at this moment which offers a compact Mirrorless APSC with Image Stabilization in sensor and interchangeable lens and built in flash. EVF optional. But Fuji really have to improve themselves in the speed of Auto Focus. Actually Olympus has done this complete good package. However, just that the sensor size is a major obstacle for consideration (i.e. bokeh & ISO). This is the way to go Fuji!!! Hope you are listening…^^” Thx.