There is a $500 off(!) on the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema MFT camera at BHphoto (Click here) and Adorama (Click here). Likely a new version of that camera is coming soon?
A very good price but BM should focus on quality control, this means better firmware for the cameras and sensors with no fix pattern noise. The original price does not bother me, but fix pattern noise does!
Just like a child, all this IDIOT want is attention and sadly he is getting it. We should not feed him. Maybe this is a strategy and he was hired to increase traffic. All this nonsense bullshit, he doesn’t even know he is talking about… as if someone would need BIG gear to get good images. He speaks like we were in the 90’s… maybe some kind of schizophrenia.
Now now… I understand you are just some teenager writing crap in the internet, but you really have to learn some manners. Otherwise, spanks. The poof Zeikaline will be happy to provide that.
Regarding Adorama and B&H, they are quite reputable, but as I live and breathe, the amount of “competition” between these two in New York City is virtually nil. Their prices are within a dollar of each other more frequently than I can recall.
Pretty obvious the manufacturers determine the price at the big 3 (amazon incl). At least they don’t charge more. My local shop never honors national sale prices. Retail at launch is what they charge through the entire product cycle. That is why they are nothing other than my showroom.
I am not sure that B&H or Adorama buy the cameras from the manufactures and then resell them. I believe they sell for Canon, Nikon etc and earns a commission.
Black Magic never addressed all the muck-ups with the camera they could have fixed with firmware and the camera would have been a steal. This company does some amazing things but always half-way and with little follow through. I’m tempted but have suffered the slings and arrows of temperamental flawed cameras enough in my pro life. hmmm
n43 redefines “ridiculous” for prices. It is ridiculous that we can have a Nikon 3200 for less, and BM has not gone bankrupt yet. Wait, it may follow Olympus with its honest products and honest management…
you need a speed booster, you need a rig, you need a box to double sound, you need a better power device (swintronix?), you need super fast cards, and suddenly the cam isn’t such a steal anymore or very “pocketable”.
I totally get it. I have both the BMCC 2.5k and the BMPC 4k. The extra money to make the camera functional was interesting. Grateful both cameras are the same form factor so the rigs and accessories are swappable. I like the size of the Pocket camera for those shots without permits. Quick out in the streets shots. Now that I am shooting 4K its pretty rough to go backwards. I may pick up the Sony Xperia Z2 that has a 4K camera in the phone for those guerilla pick up’s.
I shot with one + 2 BCCs for a docu series a few months ago. Results from it are very good but you have to work hard to get them. Not as easy as using a GH3.
You need a super computer to edit RAW video, then you must know how to grade the stuff you filmed etc. Raw is good for serios aplications, but a pain in the proverbiall a…s to work with. If you shot ProRes than the workflow is much easier to work with but you still nead the grade a lot, because the files look uttery ugly aut of the camera.
This little camera is very good, but before you buy it you must know for what you are going to use it.
I like the size, but it doesn’t feel, look like, or shoot like a “camera”, more like a smartphone app or something. So glad it doesn’t have a touchscreen. Crop factor is just too extreme to deal with. Maybe a V2 with global shutter, 2K, 4/3, APS-C, or S35 sensor, some more controls to give a decent manual shooting experience would sway me – sub $2k price point would be a hit. Firmware is not mature – better audio circuitry and monitoring required too.
I can totally recommend Personal-View.com and VK to buy from btw, I’ve
purchased quite a few things from there. And it is the #1 forum for
discussing m4/3 cameras for filmmaking!
LX7’s are now being discounted to $300 to clear them out. I used to have one, handy little camera. What the LX8 will be has my interest piqued. Thought we’d learn today 🙁
If a new version can fix most of the original’s shortcomings, it will easily be worth the additional price. Hopefully, the Mark II will also see a discount on the msrp as well.
I doubt a “BMPCC mk2” is coming just around the corner. When the BMMCC dropped in price, we all thought there is coming a BMCC mk2. But nope, there isn’t a mk2 yet.
So I would not wait around for a BMPCC mk2, and instead just pounce on this deal!
I believe there are practical reasons for that in addition to licensing. IBIS is originally made for stills and makes it difficult to incorporate a good cooling system, which is a requirement for good video with low noise. Heat sinks attached to the sensor makes it too heavy to move around.
Now that they are completely in consumer sector it’s time to add a consumer codec like AVCHD to it. 50 min max recording time for a 64 Gb card with Prores is pathetic.
I bet it was never meant for general consumers, they would be very pissed when they find out that they would need to bring loads of batteries for a day out, one battery lasts 20-30 min only.
It was allegedly designed for pros to shoot in heavy formats intended for grading when those pros need a small pocket cam. But, again, pros also need batteries to shoot and shooting handheld with a small prime lens fits ‘pocket’ concept but yields RS jello which doesn’t look much pro no matter how you grade it.
Indeed BM has had weird audience targeting with this product.
It would be enough to have at least the ProRes LT encoder option ^^. Btw.: You can always power it from external sources / batteries. So not THAT of a problem. At least if you don´t focus on “as light as possible” ^^.
btw, the latest firmware update only *just* came out which added the lighter version of ProRes! Good for those quick casual shots (such as doing reviews perhaps), or when you want a longer recording time.
was considering the cam at the new low price for some MOS close quarter stuff I do, so last night I revisited Phillip Blooms thoughts on the camera. I decided to save the $ for a Gh4, an A7s or maybe wait and see what Panasonic is offering in the LX8. Black Magic needed to address their firmware issues on this cam a long time ago. Had they done that they wouldn’t be dumping them now.
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too late
Maybe, but not necessarily:
http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/press/pressdetails?releaseID=61418
A very good price but BM should focus on quality control, this means better firmware for the cameras and sensors with no fix pattern noise. The original price does not bother me, but fix pattern noise does!
Nobody wants a expensieve M43 toy. Its just a matter of time before Oly, Pan and BM etc….going to realise that.
Go trolling somewhere else!
Jesus SD, “a expensieve”? Couldn’t you afford a colonial education?
People are going to start to suspect you’re not a super genius.
A “super genius” ?? . . . hardly. Most forum participants mistake him for a 9th grader.
Just like a child, all this IDIOT want is attention and sadly he is getting it. We should not feed him. Maybe this is a strategy and he was hired to increase traffic. All this nonsense bullshit, he doesn’t even know he is talking about… as if someone would need BIG gear to get good images. He speaks like we were in the 90’s… maybe some kind of schizophrenia.
Now now… I understand you are just some teenager writing crap in the internet, but you really have to learn some manners. Otherwise, spanks. The poof Zeikaline will be happy to provide that.
SD, enough about spanking men. Pull your pants up and get some sleep buddy
Just shoot yourself Viez, nobody cares about you.
Black magic lost it’s magic
Panasonic GH4 is why their price came down.
I thought it was the RX1000 for $899 with 4k video.
There is no RX1000… and so it doesn’t do 4K video! (and none of the RX100 or RX10 do either)
Regarding Adorama and B&H, they are quite reputable, but as I live and breathe, the amount of “competition” between these two in New York City is virtually nil. Their prices are within a dollar of each other more frequently than I can recall.
Pretty obvious the manufacturers determine the price at the big 3 (amazon incl). At least they don’t charge more. My local shop never honors national sale prices. Retail at launch is what they charge through the entire product cycle. That is why they are nothing other than my showroom.
I am not sure that B&H or Adorama buy the cameras from the manufactures and then resell them. I believe they sell for Canon, Nikon etc and earns a commission.
Black Magic never addressed all the muck-ups with the camera they could have fixed with firmware and the camera would have been a steal. This company does some amazing things but always half-way and with little follow through. I’m tempted but have suffered the slings and arrows of temperamental flawed cameras enough in my pro life. hmmm
n43 redefines “ridiculous” for prices. It is ridiculous that we can have a Nikon 3200 for less, and BM has not gone bankrupt yet. Wait, it may follow Olympus with its honest products and honest management…
Looks like BM is trying to lure more canon users as the new speedbooster makes this camera more desirable especially at this price point.
you need a speed booster, you need a rig, you need a box to double sound, you need a better power device (swintronix?), you need super fast cards, and suddenly the cam isn’t such a steal anymore or very “pocketable”.
I totally get it. I have both the BMCC 2.5k and the BMPC 4k. The extra money to make the camera functional was interesting. Grateful both cameras are the same form factor so the rigs and accessories are swappable. I like the size of the Pocket camera for those shots without permits. Quick out in the streets shots. Now that I am shooting 4K its pretty rough to go backwards. I may pick up the Sony Xperia Z2 that has a 4K camera in the phone for those guerilla pick up’s.
Roah, price is so aggressive, and that’s the official price! very tempting.
I shot with one + 2 BCCs for a docu series a few months ago. Results from it are very good but you have to work hard to get them. Not as easy as using a GH3.
Could you elaborate, please? Thanks
You need a super computer to edit RAW video, then you must know how to grade the stuff you filmed etc. Raw is good for serios aplications, but a pain in the proverbiall a…s to work with. If you shot ProRes than the workflow is much easier to work with but you still nead the grade a lot, because the files look uttery ugly aut of the camera.
This little camera is very good, but before you buy it you must know for what you are going to use it.
Thanks
I like the size, but it doesn’t feel, look like, or shoot like a “camera”, more like a smartphone app or something. So glad it doesn’t have a touchscreen. Crop factor is just too extreme to deal with. Maybe a V2 with global shutter, 2K, 4/3, APS-C, or S35 sensor, some more controls to give a decent manual shooting experience would sway me – sub $2k price point would be a hit. Firmware is not mature – better audio circuitry and monitoring required too.
You should be doing dual system sound anyway, not a big deal! I use a Tascam DR-60D.
On the BMPCC the crop is actually x2.88 when compared to 135 frame.
And if you use a dedicated focal reducer it is the same FoV as Super 35mm cameras. (so bigger than m4/3!)
It is less of an issue than people think with a BMPCC.
And if you want focal reducer at a fantastic price, you can order a RJ Lens Turbo (is the one I use) from here for only US$134 including shipping:
http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/9086/rj-lens-turbo-m43-adapters/p1
I can totally recommend Personal-View.com and VK to buy from btw, I’ve
purchased quite a few things from there. And it is the #1 forum for
discussing m4/3 cameras for filmmaking!
So.. Where’s that LX 7 that we heard so much about..? L0L
I think you mean LX8, we already have an LX7!
Maybe the LX8 is going to be Panasonic’s version of a BMPCC mk2! lol
One can dream…..
LX7’s are now being discounted to $300 to clear them out. I used to have one, handy little camera. What the LX8 will be has my interest piqued. Thought we’d learn today 🙁
If a new version can fix most of the original’s shortcomings, it will easily be worth the additional price. Hopefully, the Mark II will also see a discount on the msrp as well.
I doubt a “BMPCC mk2” is coming just around the corner. When the BMMCC dropped in price, we all thought there is coming a BMCC mk2. But nope, there isn’t a mk2 yet.
So I would not wait around for a BMPCC mk2, and instead just pounce on this deal!
Sounds like a BMPCC 4K is next
I know it won’t happen, but a BMPC with licensed 5 axis stabilization would be awesome.
I believe there are practical reasons for that in addition to licensing. IBIS is originally made for stills and makes it difficult to incorporate a good cooling system, which is a requirement for good video with low noise. Heat sinks attached to the sensor makes it too heavy to move around.
is not ridicoloud but honest correct price for this items. For example honest GH4 price is 600$
And the honest price for Canon 1Dc must be 1000$ after your theory. LOL
Wrong, the “honest price” for that Canon would be $700! 😛
yes for the old sensors is the 700$ correct price for eos1dc end c100. $1200 for eos c300 🙂
And the honest price for sony a7s is 900$ 😉
Now that they are completely in consumer sector it’s time to add a consumer codec like AVCHD to it. 50 min max recording time for a 64 Gb card with Prores is pathetic.
I bet it was never meant for general consumers, they would be very pissed when they find out that they would need to bring loads of batteries for a day out, one battery lasts 20-30 min only.
It was allegedly designed for pros to shoot in heavy formats intended for grading when those pros need a small pocket cam. But, again, pros also need batteries to shoot and shooting handheld with a small prime lens fits ‘pocket’ concept but yields RS jello which doesn’t look much pro no matter how you grade it.
Indeed BM has had weird audience targeting with this product.
It would be enough to have at least the ProRes LT encoder option ^^. Btw.: You can always power it from external sources / batteries. So not THAT of a problem. At least if you don´t focus on “as light as possible” ^^.
btw, the latest firmware update only *just* came out which added the lighter version of ProRes! Good for those quick casual shots (such as doing reviews perhaps), or when you want a longer recording time.
Oh. 1.8.2 is out – Thx for the information. Great news (!)
Makes it a much more “general purpose” camera now, I might even use it for weddings!
Excellent news. Prores LT and Proxy is what I always wanted.
was considering the cam at the new low price for some MOS close quarter stuff I do, so last night I revisited Phillip Blooms thoughts on the camera. I decided to save the $ for a Gh4, an A7s or maybe wait and see what Panasonic is offering in the LX8. Black Magic needed to address their firmware issues on this cam a long time ago. Had they done that they wouldn’t be dumping them now.