A month ago I told you that a trusted sources said Panasonic would add 4K RAW recording on external devices on a future GH4 firmware upgrade. Well, our source was right as this has been confirmed by two companies:
1) Atomos confirmed via Twitter that they will update their Atomos Shogun (Here at BH) (which will also be able to record 4K 444).
2) Panasonic said raw output from the GH4 could come with a future firmware upgrade as soon as external recorders will allow this (Source: EosHD).
Sounds great!!!
UPDATE: GH4 is not able to output 4:4:4 so Atomos 4K 4:4:4 feature can only be used by future new 4K cameras.
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Very good news, 4K at 10 bit and 4:4:4 color sampling is the way to go!
Your already fabulous work will leap forward with this new gimmick!
how about the log profile? something for people who don´t want to spend 2k on external recorder?
Just a note: 4:4:4 and Raw are not the same thing.
Wait, what is with your “UPDATE”, admin? Sure, the GH4 is currently unable to output 4:4:4, but couldn’t a firmware upgrade change this? If so, then users wouldn’t need a new a new 4k camera if they upgraded an already-owned GH4.
Come on Admin, “Panasonic ‘confirms’ RAW recording ‘could’ come” ?! That sentence does not make much sense ;). “confirm” together with “could”… lol. That does not mean ANYTHING.
“Works 60% of the time, every time!”
It worked 100% 6 times out of ten 🙂
Clueless lazy admin…..
This is about as sure as Olympus delivering 4K. You are really tip-toeing the credibility line with posts like this. If you want to sell some Atomos Shoguns just get us a discount code and dispense with all the hyping of “possible features.”
4:4:4 is overkill for just about everyone, including 99% of most green screen work.
LOL, this is FT0.
would RAW output enable a direct-to-ProRes workflow via some hypothetical external recorder?
People got nuts with this 4:4:4, RAW etc stuff. The real quality difference is negligible in 99% the situations. It’s more like in their heads than in real life. Kind of a placebo effect. But it sells good, I must admit, manufacturers got lot’s of money selling this rather religious, cult things. Like initiation into the pro realm by accruing a magical object that has the “pro” attributes that are believed to separate men from boys. Haha!
Well, I not a believer, I’m piratical, I charge extra for dealing with 4K RAW footage from my clients, but for my own projects couldn’t care less for that. I find this masochistic to deal with stumbling playback, doubled rendering times and other such stuff for very marginal quality yield. I’m not a purist, perhaps. If somebody pays me for that – that’s fine, doing that myself just for the sake of it? Gimme a break!
almost all electronic hitech stuff is more then we can handle/need, so its more then to expected that 4k is hot right now. You might drive a luxury sedan while all you need is prob just a transport. no need trying to be smart imo.
This is traffic-driving conjecture. Come on, the speculative logic that brings these together is significantly weaker than all the claims about Olympus’s EM1 update.
I have really enjoyed this site for quite a long time. It has been informative and genuinely helpful in my planning for hardware purchases for the work that I do, helping me budget, look forward, etc. But the quality that I have relied upon feels thinner and thinner of late.
As much as I’d love to see this, and as much as it would probably be worth buying the Shogun for, I’m really not going to hold my breath on rumours and conjecture. Give me official press releases and maybe I’ll buy it 🙂
LOG profile would be fine with me.
Oh great. More barely usable 1&0’s clogging up my editing bay…
Nice misleading subject line. Panasonic said no such thing. They said raw *output* would be possible in the future, with an external recorder.
The subject isn’t exactly a lie, but it’s misleading through ommission.
Why do so many “journalists” do this? Just stop. Please.
Cause they aren’t journalists… Same things happen with gear testers 😉
Well when I pre Ordered my Shogun thy said True 4K which now is apparently only going to be UHD Not the same thing I would like to Actually Have that which inspired me to order it in the first place.
Raw well that would be even nicer.
UHD is a true 4K but it isn’t ‘Cinema 4K’ that is WIDER than 16:9.
You want 16:9 ratio instead something closer to 17:9 as otherwise you will always need to crop footage. And theater movies are always wider ratio than 16:9 so you can’t even get the Cinema 4K working there as it is shorter.
We don’t need RAW. Just 10-bit LOG.
raw is raw and 4.4.4. is not raw. The guy running the sire doesn’t even know what he is talking abput.
Says the guy that wrote “sire” instead of “site”
what a dummy…..
If it’s using RGB RAW, it’s not using chroma subsampling, meaning the chroma resolution is the same as the luma resolution. The matter is complicated by the fact that 4:4:4 sometimes incorrectly refers to RGB and sometimes to 4:4:4 chroma subsampling. And also by the fact that RAW may not be using RGB or 4:4:4; HDMI supports subsampling.
How many Mbps in a 4:4:4 4K?
According to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncompressed_video
1080p HDTV RGB (4:4:4) uncompressed
10 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 24fps = 190 MB per/sec, or 667 GB per/hr.
4:4:4 4k would be 4 times of the numbers?
It actually has nothing to do with Mbps or resolution. It’s the Chroma subsampling, in other words, the way the color is encoded.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_subsampling
Chroma subsampling implies that the color resolution is lower than the luma resolution. Note that if something uses RGB encoding (full color resolution) then it doesn’t use chroma subsampling at all, which makes 4:4:4 meaningless.
never heard that raw output from GH4 however V-Log 10bit, that’s I’ve heard from them. I’m very positive because there are number of DP actually testing that function and will be able to see it at the time in InterBEE next month.
not sure it’s 1080P or 4K/UHD, HDMI out from the body or via YAGH, but yes it will coming.
$1,995.00 for the Shogun…no thanks.