Admiringlight posted the full E-M1oII review:
In all, the E-M10 Mark II is a great upgrade for those using the original E-M5 and is worth a long hard look for those considering the E-M5 Mark II. If you rely on action shooting and need solid continuous autofocus, the E-M1 or one of the more recent Panasonic bodies should garner your attention, but for all other shooters, the E-M10 Mark II represents the best value in the Olympus lineup. It’s an excellent camera.
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How to be a great camera with that 5 years old sensor ??
Stop lying everyone here ? .
This EM10 2 is a 2012 remake camera after all nothing to impress .
Well, I am sure it would be hard to explain to you. About as hard as it is for you to explain to me why it would not be a great camera.
I knew you would come in! lol
The crying baby is back… oh lord!
Yun’s posts are deserving some moderation IMO. The same broken record for years now.
I’ve left Yun alone for a number of reasons; English doesn’t appear to be his native language, so I’m not sure he’s completely aware of how he comes off sometimes.
He doesn’t hide behind a series of names, he doesn’t engage in personal attacks and he doesn’t attack M43 per se, but usually complains (admittedly on and on) about the perceived age and quality of the sensors.
Yun seems more like the US equivalent of your crazy uncle at Thanksgiving; Goofy and kind of funny but without malice. The fact that some of the user comments jokingly anticipating Yun’s reaction to new posts tells me that others feel the same way.
I’m not a fan of mob rule, but I’ll pay closer attention if I’ve developed a blind spot for Yun.
sometimes with insults to people who voted for E-M5II, 40-150mm PRO, or any lens he hates. 😉
I wish we could get him some amazing equipment and laxative, so he might stop complaining.
To everyone else: folks who have no personal interest or experience with Four Thirds, but who drop in to be overly negative and to tell everyone else how stupid they are, can be depended on to never say anything worthwhile. Odd thing, the only people who are telling the truth here are folks who own μ43 gear and have good reason to love it. These cameras are a great deal more fun than the naysayers have any idea. If you can afford a full frame camera, more power to you, but otherwise, dollar for dollar, you can get a lot more out of a μ43 system. ISO 6400 is not as good as full frame, but who cares? The best full frame pictures are also shot at low ISO. 16 megapixels are plenty to print much larger than most will ever try. One advantage of very high resolution cameras is latitude to crop, which we overcome by having many more excellent lenses than the average Nikophant. For the money, there is virtually no down-side here. This tired, old, worn out argument that FourThirds sensors are the worst often comes out of the mouths of folks who carry 1-inch around when they are too lazy to haul big gear.
Exactly!
We can easily carry a 12-40mm, 40-150mm and TC and swap just two lenses to get full frame 16Mpix usage.
Canikony fans needs to have big bags or then just use something around 24-70mm and then crop heavily. And yet even Sony A7RII with 42Mpix will give only equivalent 10.5Mpix that is less than our full frame 16Mpix image.
Take a 7-14/12-40/40-150 and it is very small and lightweight combo that can even allow us to fit a secondary body for quick swaps (no remounting) on the assigment and get better results than any crop sensor (35mm sensor) user.
Wasted words: The ones who own it know already and the others will not believe you. If you would tell that pixel quality on m43 is better than the pixels in EVERY FF you would definitely be called sick. And around photokina we will get a full electronic global shutter BSI stacked true color 16MP sensor in the E-M1ll those still will not believe a single word.
Indeed. There is no need to evangelize the “full frame only” crowd. It is important to point out, however, when baloney is sold as truth. For folks who cannot afford full frame, or who do not wish to fork out and lug the bad around, the μ43 alternative makes a strong pitch as the optimal crop frame system. I actually think we will get the stacked BSI at 20 megapixel count on the Mark II E-M1. I am still up in the air with what to expect from PEN-F. It doesn’t seem logical to me that PEN + EVF = PEN-F, because it is not exciting enough, or that amazing tech not yet available on an OM-D will show there first.
I think many of the people who tout FF can’t afford it either and just have the least expensive (or older) Canikon equipment.
It reminds me of the Apple vs Commodore, Atari ST vs Commodore Amiga, Mac vs Windows fights that had been so ridiculously common.
Kirk Tuck, Visualsciencelab about the Nikon D810 and the E-M5ll: “Now, this doesn’t mean that the D810 is necessarily the fun camera to shoot. In terms of real fun that honor falls to the Olympus EM5.2; and, if I am being honest, I have to say that the files from that camera (which I use for event work a lot of the time) would work just as well for about 90 % of the jobs. It’s just that I’d have to be on my game all the time to pull off the kind of technical work that I can just phone in with the D810.”
I wasn’t saying that people who actually have the equipment don’t have a point or that the equipment isn’t better.
I’m saying that most of the people who have been commenting here and other places that 135 Format digital is the panacea probably don’t have it and just want to cause trouble because they are ignorant.
The current generation of olympus cameras and sensors are great, they have been since the second generation came out. What olympus cameras excel in is the fun factor and their built in innovations, like live composite, high res mode, timelapse, focus stacking, manual focus clutch, stabilized video, etc. Add in attention to design and superior build materials, weather resistance, and the whole package stands out. New attention to video capabilities and olympus will be a great competitor for a while.
Hi Yun,
I guess that all the tech review sites who have access to all the best cameras in the world have recognized that at a certain point, a sensor is “good enough” for almost any photographic need. And they seem to feel that the old 16MP sensor meets that threshold.
Maybe it is the camera that holds it that is more important than the sensor inside?
If I didn’t feel that way, I would have bought the A7 when I was cross-shopping it against the GX7…
Bunk. The E-M5/E-P5 sensor is garbage. I find it the most awful 43 sensor ever produced. I hate these sensors where they use every tweak in the book to squeeze out a better DXO score, while neglecting the actual real-world images.
“Good enough” how? This sensor is noisy at base ISO and color blind above ISO 400. And all the tweaks used to artificially boost the dynamic range on DXO test charts results in the most awful “digital look”, almost like a 1/2.3″compact. No thanks.
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, I guess. I don’t have any direct experience with it, just the GX7 sensor which is largely similar, but which isn’t as good at long exposure charge leakage noise.
Do you prefer Panasonic sensors, or do you just hate all things M4/3?
Don’t bother. He’s obviously doing something very wrong and there’s not much chance he’ll ever even try to learn how to do it right. Because “he hates these sensors where they use every tweak in the book to squeeze out a better DXO score” ……
Nah, it’s a legitimate comment – the visual results from a sensor don’t always line up directly with the DXOMark scores. There are definitely subtleties that cannot be quantified.
For instance, the sensor in the A7 and A7 II (not the S or R) gets a high rating on DXOMark, but is really incredibly disappointing to me when I actually compare images taken with it. They are maybe 1 stop better than M4/3 at high ISOs, and really no better than a Nikon D5500.
Likewise, the sensor in the A6000 gets high DXO scores, but you need to downscale it to 16MP to see any advantage at all over M4/3, and even then, it’s very modest. Maybe 1/3 stop at most.
I find the DPReview comparator to be an exceptional tool for this kind of evaluation, since it’s an exposure-matched RAW, and directly apples-to-apples (except for the lens, obviously, so comparing sharpness is questionable).
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=nikon_d5500&attr13_1=oly_em5ii&attr13_2=sony_a6000&attr13_3=sony_a7_ii&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=3200&attr16_1=3200&attr16_2=3200&attr16_3=3200&attr126_1=normal&attr171_1=off&normalization=compare&widget=1&x=-0.8805897509304322&y=0.15507047747285638
I don’t read his comment as complaining about dxo. According to mike olympus is kind of like volkswagen trying to get better co2 levels, since they tweak their sensors to get a better dxo score. According to him this results in disappointing real world pictures.
Indeed. Mike is a live proof how stupidity prevents acquiring knowledge.
The DxO calculations are seriously flawed in that they do bias by the sensor size which is contrary to various guidelines issued by calibration standards (which say do not correct for detector area). For example to get the correct ‘low light’ score we need to multiply the 4/3 sensor DxO result by 3.84 to get the correct number. The lens aperture determines how much light gets in, not the sensor size.
E-M10 II uses sensor that was manufactured and re-designed 2014-2015.
Yes, it use a sensor that has its original first version release date 2012 but it has gone trough multiple variations and improvements!
Because Oly makes real cameras for photographers which are joy to shoot with. If you want an electronic device with the latest sensor, look elswhere. Yun, which camera do you use/have?
Yun revealed some time ago he is not taking pictures anymore until a new sensor is released. Poor Yun.
was that some sort of manhood measurements, yun ?
That’s right. Yun the Compensator.
I wonder how many people were using Ilford HP5 for years and years and years and years, and taking great photos with it–and it was only film.
Is that an official Olympus marketing image above??? It’s hideous!
Agreed. Makes the camera look like a plastic toy.
Teensy weensy.
The only real problem is its tiny size, poor ergonomics and cramped controls.
Sure, you can buy an external grip to improve handling, but then you have a larger camera.
So, why not start out with a camera that’s designed to work well it of the box?
Like the EM5II or the EM1? 🙂 (not that giant brick GX8 LOL!…just bustin chops).
They are all good..it’s personal preference.
Look…the EM10 II Is perfect for this guy:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/C89uOeDL9Gw/hqdefault.jpg
(Please no wisecracks directed at Yun)
Nothing wrong with the EM1. The EM5ii still needs an external grip.
Yeah…I bought my EM5II w/grip, battery holder & extra battery…all for $850.
What’s cool is that it is so versatile….Small primes…go naked. Pro zooms add as much grip as you need. The battery holder gives you all the controls in the portrait orientation
If it were weather sealed I would be considering it. Not that big of a problem, though, because the EM-5 mark II is weather sealed, so I bought it instead and have been greatly enjoying the super resolution mode.
Jeffrey…thanks for bringing some positive light into the room…you are a very brave man!
🙂
I love my EM5II as well…I have a FF system also..so I have not tried the Hi-Rez mode….I need to get on that!!!!!
We have as well! m4/3 cameras use full frame of the 4/3″ sensors! Aren’t we the lucky ones!
And the HR-mode (not Hi-Rez) beats even most medium format cameras in color accuracy!
Everything is relative. M43 is a quarter frame of Nikon/Canon/Sony cameras. This makes sense for miniaturization (I love my GM5), but comes at a significant cost of image quality.
Significant cost of image quality?
ROFL!
http://www.thewanderinglensman.com/2014/02/the-practical-difference-between-full.html?m=1
http://naturalexposures.com/the-lumix-diaries-printing-large-photos/
Sorry but 4/3″ sensor is FULL FRAME as much as is 36x24mm sensor. And the image quality difference is a NEGLIGENT.
Only weak minded tools believe that 36x24mm sensor produce “significantly” better quality when the fact is that in bigger prints tha any avarage person gets to hang on their wall will not reveal the difference!
YAWN.