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The [shoplink 56521 ebay]Olympus Pen EED film camera[/shoplink] had a built-in viewfinder. Source: DSLRmagazine.
One of our best sources contacted me today to confirm the PEN-F features the new Sony 20MP MFT sensor. And he also added that he knows the PEN-F will not be announced during the CES show. But maybe there are different announcements in different countries. So we can’t be 100% sure yet it’s not coming on January 6th.
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OK….so what is the NEW Sony 20mp MFT sensor. The sensor in the GX8 (hope not, I would like something better) or something NEW from Sony? This is confusing. (my understanding is that we have no confirmation if the sensor in the GX8 is a Sony or in-house Panasonic. Correct?).
The results from dxomark suggest the GX8 is not using the latest Sony sensor tech. So I would say it is using a Panasonic sensor. Just like the G3 introduced the first 16mp sensor and it was not from Sony either.
I hope so!
Sadly, Sony’s new IMX269 20MP sensor is not using the latest Sony sensor tech either. It is an Exmor chip, not Exmor R, so it is not backside illuminated. If it is going to be any better than the chip in the GX8, it is unlikely to be much better.
I am fine with that as I am more interested in the low ISO DR improvements. BSI only improves the high ISO noise but creates more crosstalk in the process. I much prefer the non-BSI sensors for low ISO results.
Actually, GH2 had the first MFT 16MP sensor, the multi-aspect implementation. G3 & GF3 followed with the first widespread “regular” Panasonic 16MP which lasted until the GX7 improvement. And during that period, yes Sony produced the best one.
hopefully the 40mm f1.4 will be made as well..
Where’s the rumor on that one? Last time, I read about Olympus making a few yet to be announced f1.2 primes
You could buy the original PEN-F 40mm f1.4 manual lens 🙂
I have it, but routinely use the basic and excellent PEN-F 38mm f1.8.
[ edit: roughly 55mm equivalent FOV ]
The very rare PEN-F 60mm f1.5 is another nice one.
yepp – but I was hoping for some AF lenses 🙂
38mm has a fov of 75mm on m4/3. I use that lens on both my film and digital PENs a lot. Excellent lens indeed.
Don’t forget that the original PEN-F was “half-format”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympus_Pen_F
Yes, so its 55mm eq. fov on Pen-F, 75mm eq. fov on m4/3. Format size doesn’t affect what’s written on the lens, which is 38mm.
Any info about IBIS, will the PEN-F have 5-axis IBIS?
I find a bit ridiculus that a Pen camera may have a better sensor than the flagship model… but it is just perfectly in line with Olympus traditional unintelligible and selfdestructive markting strategy… despite the goodness of their innovations. I hoped to see a new high end tool. I need lowlight performance and usabiliity throughtout the whole day. More than Em1 can do currently. So I guess I will go for Nikon D750…
So you would prefer that they instead nerf the lower models even if having a newer sensor is the best choice for that given model at that time?
Pathetic comment from Marcolin indeed.
He’s a EP-1 and paid it full price 🙂
I can’t see, how could using the older sensor in this model change your decision… When I need a camera throughout the whole day, I definitely grab something smaller and lighter then Nikon D750, anyway;-)
In fact it is not related. But if I knew of a new flagship with a newer sensor coming out shortly, probably I would wait to know and see more about it… I do not need ‘commercial’ or hobbyists hypes and stuff. They already put out a lot of it… every OLY model so far had the same sensor… just limited functions and make-ups. I understand their commercial needs, but I understand better my photography ones. And they do not match. That is all. 😉
The E-M1 functionality is hardly limited.
The D750 is a fantastic camera, but apples and oranges to a PEN. Completely different advantages. Why would you even compare them?
True. Not on Em1. Functions are limited on every other model. Sensor is the same. That is why I expect the best to go with the best. Not with a tourists tool…
If you are considering a D750 over a m4/3 then you currently have the wrong camera for your needs. Coming in here crying that Olympus isn’t catering to you is ridiculous. A FF DSLR and a m4/3 camera have different uses filling different customer needs. If you want to fit a square through a circle go ahead and try.
BTW very few mirrorless cameras can do as you demand.
” Can you freeze movements over 6400 ISO at 1/400 and more in very dark environments with OLY with barely no noise reduction in PP”
Lastly you are jumping off the deep end and don’t even khow the new Sony sensor performs. Just as you have no idea what will be in the EM1M2, troll much?
I have and I purchase the camera I need. That is all. I Have Pen (old and new), I have the old E-3 and E-5 series, I even have one old OM series; I have Em1… and I have Nikons too. I use the one I need for any occasion. My original comment arises simply from the expectation to see a new good sensor go with the best model OLY can offer. Not with fancy aesthetic tools. I understand they may want to try it on some models too. Business is business. But I have hardly seen pro-sensors sold on consumer tools first. I am sorry if I have pro-expectations… Should I consider OLY jus for weddings, hobbies or travel photographers? Because I think it could do much more.
The E-M1 mk2 will have the new sensor. It’s just that the E-M1 Mk2 is not ready to be released yet and will appear in the Autumn.
So, as the new sensor is available now Oly will put it in the first camera it can. It would probably have been in the E-M10 mk2 but that was probably too far through development before the new sensor become available. I can’t see anything wrong with that.
However, as sensor tech hasn’t improved significantly for several years and there’s limitations in how much improvement can be gained in the future (due to those pesky laws of physics) the new sensor is not going to be very much better than the existing sensor.
So, for your needs a FF camera makes sense.
BTW don’t expect much improvement in future FF sensors either.
I wouldn’t think a new sensor in the bottom tier model would be sensible but the middle tier model seems to be where Olympus introduces new sensors since I have been using their cameras. E-30 & E-M5 are such models.
Yes, seeing as things are going, that is exactly the image I get… also for FF. That is why keep having expectations for OLY. They have always struck with more useful innovation than others. Just, I believe they need to harvest and aim more at the pro-sector rather than the consumer one…
I am not expert technician, but honestly I still feel a sort of pity they killed 4/3 format for m4/3. It had an impressive set of lenses for that, hardly equaled by others and that will hardly be equaled for m4/3. The camera shell was small enough to both accomodate a mirror less 4/3 solution as well as larger sensors such as FF. Science fiction thinking. 😉
Sensors have reached around 50% efficiency (QE). That’s why there’s only about a stop of noise improvement to go until they reach the limit of what is achievable. Then, assuming they reach that, there will be no more noise improvement, ever, unless they find a way to circumvent the laws of physics..
There are ways around this such as taking multiple exposures as introduced on the E-M5ii but that obviously has its limitations, particularly if you’re in low light and are using long shutter speeds.
So, unless someone reinvents the camera (multiple sensors/simultaneous exposures in a camera?) or something equally bizarre we’ll have to start buying cameras because they offer the features and handling that we want and accept the current IQ.
Which is why if you’re after significantly better low light performance the only real solution is to go for a larger sensor.
As far as four thirds is concerned ( I still own the E620, E30 and E3) they made wonderful lenses at the expense of size.
And once you lose the size advantage then there’s no point in settling for the small sensor when some FF cameras and ‘equivalent’ lenses are similar size (or even smaller in some cases)
The flagship model was introduced years ago, but just got a very nice firmware update from Olympus. There will most likely be an EM1 update this year, as well. Why shouldn’t a new camera introduced years later get a new sensor. LOL.
Remember, these are all rumors at this point.
…but the D750 is a great camera, too. GO FOR IT!
I know. I just would expect the best to go with the best. As usually market suggests. My choice of Nikon is independent from PEN of course (of which I have even 3 models of the film one). But certainly if I get Nikon, I most likely will not buy any new OLY model for quite a while. Not even a flagship, unless they deliver something new really reliable in lowlight with 2.8 lenses… The new firmware is cool. But I am not a macro photographer: not much use for me of the novelties just introduced…
It’s always about the best tool that suits your needs so anyone saying any different is just wrong. My only thought is depth of field. The new 1.2f primes coming next year will radically improve low light ability x4 a 2.0f lens which I would think then overtakes Nikon again. 1.2 dof Bing basically unusable for all but macro in ff..
it is you guys saying that is wrong insulting and offending (not you) simply because I said I find a bit ridiculous putting a Ferrari engine into a small city car, before inventing Ferrari itself. As for the 1.2f lenses, i totally agree with you and I am much looking forward to them.
I maintain an extensive FF system and an extensive MFT system.
Love my MFT cameras..but in many instances I need the big guns.
Just reality.!
(in Olympus’ defense, or any company…it is not easy to get all your ducks in a row in a shrinking market. What is cool is that we do have a LOT of choices as photographers!!!!!).
I personally would LOVE to see a Ferrari sensor in the PEN…Oly can just put it in the EM1II whenever that arrives. Fine with me.
Same here. Just I wish I could all with one system… 😉
Welcome to photography.
Pure stupidity from a FF troll.
You’re a moron! Learn education. I’ve been Olympus user since film, I have a good deal of all the past models by them… I moved to FF because I need results OLY can’t deliver, despite I like 4/3 and most of what they invented. Can you freeze movements over 6400 ISO at 1/400 and more in very dark environments with OLY with barely no noise reduction in PP…?!
Yep that’s a problem for m 4/3 for sure!
What focal length are you using? I would probably suggest using a faster lens for that circumstance. But that’s an incredibly demanding scenario for any camera, obviously.
Basically, if you’re using an f2.8 zoom to achieve that with FF, go with a fast prime on M4/3…
Yes, that is the only solution for now. For OLY I have some legacy Sigma piece f1.4. On EM1 it is acceptable, even if not very fast focusing. But when you shoot action and fast subjects, going to manual becomes too tricky, particularly with changing lights. Good results are fantastic, but wasted shots are too many. That is why I keep on having higher degree of results with FF at 2.8f and higher ISO. You can climb until 12800 and, if you stay around, 1/400 the noise is totally acceptable for what I am doing. Like old photo-grain. Actually pleasant too.
I too used OM1s and 2s extensively in the 1980s. I too have a FF digital… mine a Nikon D800. No we can not shoot EI6400 in low light with m4/3 with the same degree of success as with FF. That’s not the point. You were railing against the possibility of Olympus including a brand new sensor in a forth coming consumer model camera, your rational basically being all Olympus m4/3 cameras should remain at 16MP, even if it means crippling a new 2016 camera, until their flagship model gets a new sensor. That makes no sense whatsoever.
PEN line is a historical brand of Olympus.
Using a new sensor in the new model will put some more light on it, together with the long awaited EVF.
But this does not prevent them to use the same sensor, maybe tweaked, maybe not, on next Em1mark2.
Differences are not only dictated by the sensor: look at the focus stacking option that it’s absent on em5m2, for example. Or the high res mode: : I bet on Em1m2 we’ll be able to use the high res mode hand holding the camera.
Also handling differs between the models.
Enjoy the 750 (not its bulkyness though), price has also dropped quite significantly lately.
I loved and still love original Pen. Sometimes I still use it (analog not digital one). It had a very pioneering set of lenses and it was a very fine and beautiful tool under every aspect. Nothing wrong with a new sensor for it. I am just tired to see the same stuff (sensor) sold under different formats… mostly ‘cheap’ ones. It is time to move over with the top of their products. That’s all. The firmware is just a cheap trick (pretty mean actually, since it could have been provided earlier too) to prolong the shelf life of something almost out of date. D750 has a good size (I do not like microscopic cameras), but it looks cheapish compared to Em1: screen, buttons, etc. Yet, it has very good specs, and as you say, for the current price it is almost a bargain now. Especially if you have lenses.
I use the good old basic, but excellent PEN-F 38mm f1.8 on my E-P5 a lot. There’s a very well built KIPON adapter that makes it a joy to work with, and you do get the full benefits of five-axis stability for focussing.
The 60mm f1.5 is a very nice lens too, but a lot more bulky and with markedly lower contrast than modern lenses. Mine is in pretty good condition, just wish the focussing was a little more fluid.
Just have to add, those old manual lenses show how nice a symbiosis of old, really well built and compact lenses, with a new, exceptionally well built body can be.
If you are referring to the E-M1 firmware, some time ago a poster named Simon released a swathe of predictions and comments about the firmware and Olympus’ future products, which apart from f1 primes becoming f1.2, have mostly proven pretty accurate. He reported that his source said that Olympus had been contractually restricted by Panasonic from allowing the E-M1 to have certain video related features for a specified time, which he said expired in September. I personally would be more inclined to point the bone at Panasonic.
What a load of bull.
The D750 has a better sensor than the D4S that costs 3x as much. What’s your point?
Uh? What’s your, I’d say… What about D4s?
You’re crying that the best sensor should be in the best model. Well isn’t D4s better model than D750? Why is Nikon making such an idiotic move and giving a better sensor to D750 and not to their flagship? :O
Ah, I see. You mean that. Somehow I can agree on that. I guess it is related to the fact that there is hardly any 24 or 35 MP sensor camera climbing up and over 25.000 ISO capable of 12 f/sec. Data transfer problem. If you shot sport and action, you don’t care much of the size of your image. You need the action frozen. Sensor size/quality and frame rate don’t go always well together. I guess the trick lies there for D4s. I have D3s: it is still the queen of darkness, but it is 13 MP (you can still print up to A3 without any problem). As I understand, D4s is supposed to be a rejuvenated version, being D3s long out of production. 16MP… not really a deal, indeed. But D750 shot 6 fr/sec. D4 was supposed to be the top notch, IMO. Not sure it can do 12 fr./sec. Less if I recall well. Quality against speed. D810 has put everything in question. New mirrorless Sony FF series messed it up even more now… lol You pic what you need.
To me, the E-P5 is a flagship model too. There can be more than one form factor.
Olympus put the latest sensors in less than their highest models several times with Four-Thirds. The E-1 lasted four years without an update and the E-500 got an 8MP sensor and the E-400 got a 10MP sensor while the E-1 still had its 5.1MP sensor.
Jumping to Nikon is fine but the D750 only goes to 1/4000th of a second. You might want to go to the D810.
Indeed. It does not seems to me either of those models where extremely successful in terms of sales, despite innovative. As for D750 and D810 you are right. That is indeed still refraining me. That is why I hoped to see some serious news on OLY. Just I do not like the idea of the gigantic files of D810. You need good hardware and a lot of storage to process quickly what you produce with it…
Oh, I understand. Going from 5.1MP to 12MP to 16MP to 20MP to 24MP, I’ve made these transitions too many times. I’ve bought too many drives. My 2.6 GHz quad core i7 works hot enough to boil water when processing 1000 16MP files or video from the GH4 and GX8.
@ Michele Marcolin • 9 hours ago
“I find a bit ridiculus that a Pen camera may have a better sensor than the flagship model…”
I find that to be a ridiculous response. When Olympus brought out the E-30 enthusiasts DSLR that was supposed to be below the E-3 (which it was), it had some new improvements over the E-3 with a new 12MP sensor, included digital level, AF fine adjustment, Art Filters, larger higher spec display etc. If they followed your analogy & only produced the lower models after the flagship with nothing that might better it then they would get nowhere in producing improvements. What do you think happened with both the new Mk II OM-D models? They first had features that weren’t in the E-M1 & now most of those features have been updated by firmware in the e-M1 (except the hardware features of the E-M5 Mk II). Your thinking is back to front as these lower models are vital test beds for some of the new features that make it into the flagship model, as the E-M5 was only an enthusiasts model with the ‘flagship’ model coming later in the E-M1 which included improvements from feedback from E-M5 users. That’s how it works & works successfully.
I know, that is why I said that Olympus keeps on with its self-destructive policy. Their economic figures and shares (particularly with mirror less) is still abundantly under their original expectations, as far as I know and keep reading about. Do you think that if you purchase a EM5 Mark II for some features, you will go to a EM1-MarkII the following year because? I doubt if you are not really rich or a camera freak. I simply say I find a waste to put a good engine on an economic car… I expected a new flagship. Not new fancy models. I have seen already a lot of them from OLY so far. All discounted after few months, because the sale-prospects went deluded.
If you think present owners of their models have to go & buy the next one to be produced (even a lower tier model) just because it has new features (as some have done) then that is their own foolish buying behaviour, because Olympus can’t afford to produce all models all at once on their production lines hence they need to stagger the output of each model. New features make new released models more interesting for new purchasers & that certainly is not self destructing. That is only your personal opinion which thankfully don’t matter to those that have to manage the total business of producing camera equipment.
As far as using a new sensor in any particular model, what makes you think Olympus should put lesser sensors in the their lower models do, just like Canon? Olympus don’t do that simply because of available sensors & mass ordering makes it sensible & affordable to use the same sensor in every model. It’s just the features, ergonomics, build etc which can differ sufficiently between each model. Your idea of calling that sensor a Ferrari engine (earlier) is a bit ridiculous. It’s just an improved engine, if you like & it is how it is used in each model that matters. E.g. the E-M1 has the faster shutter speed & larger buffer than the lesser models.
Well, I don’t think you have to go purchasing lower models for a new sensor. You are saying that. I expected a top-model according to recent rumors and I was surprised to see a new sensor in PEN. That’s all. But I guess you are pretty right. Economy and money lead the way. OLY can do what they want. Red figures are their problem. Good images (not ergonomics and shapes) are mine. But, yet, opinions are free… that is why you have commenting boxes under these pages. And that is pretty much mine. Sorry, I don’t see much a 20 MP sensor an ‘improved engine’, when OLY pro-sumer line went on for three years (more?) selling only one 16 MP sensor in all possible solutions. That sounds pretty much something new to me. I would call like that Em5 Mark II and all the hype they build around it… while producing virtually nothing different from Em1. Just my opinion. 😉
“I would call like that Em5 Mark II and all the hype they build around it… while producing virtually nothing different from Em1. Just my opinion.”
They don’t produce flagship models as frequently as the lower models & the FW 4.0 in the E-M1 adds most of the new features from the E-M10 Mk II & E-M5 Mk II (except the few features unique to that model) which allows them to keep it relevant among the other models since they are not likely to bring out the E-M1 Mk II till Sept/Oct 2016 in time for Photokina. Anyhow, I have nothing more to add to this pointless argument.
where is pciture?
I’ve a feeling they won’t announce this small camera at the same time as the large 300mm. The telephoto will be promoted to be used with EM1 and its updated firmware.
Now, let’s pray to have a 14bit AD conversion!
Fun fact, Sony won’t give a feature to Olympus that hasn’t appeared in their cameras at least 4 years before. Since A7riii just got 14bit A/D, Olympus can expect the feature in 2019.
Olympus should have lunch with samsung then.
Were there ever any Olympus MFT cameras announced during CES? Just curious. I kinda have a feeling that they prefer to make announcements during “photography oriented” shows.
Maybe compacts. At least I remember them being announced during January in the past.
> will not be announced during the CES show
CES is just a too large of a show. Too crowded. Over the years, lots of companies withdrew or minimized their presence. There was one year when Samsung (now the largest CE manuf) threatened to abandon the show, and otherwise moved important announcements elsewhere. Some companies – like Apple – were never even taking part to begin with. And that’s large companies. For smaller companies like Oly or Fuji it makes even less sense to announce anything there.
Fuji is announcing their 100-400mm on Jan 15th, so it wouldn’t surprise me to see Panasonic and Olympus announce their telephotos around the same time or earlier. Olympus may want to separate the announcement for the new PEN.
Is there any info out there anywhere about a new Sony MFT Sensor???
For the E-M1 I wish to get a 16MP sensor with the sensor tech from the A7RII. 16MP is enough, plus the A7RII dynamic range, ISO and color rendition would be great. If Oly goes high resolution plus nothing else I will not upgrade and return to FF. Reviews say the 20mp mft sensor shows no advantage compared to the current 16mp mft sensor.
I would like to see an A7RII 20mp sensor for MFT.
What reviews?
Reviews for the GX8? That sensors does show increased resolution…but that is not confirmed as the new “Sony” MFT sensor as far as I know. It may or may not be.
GX8 has that new 20mpix sony sensor. The reason that E-M1 or E-M5 mkII didn’t have 4k was that 16mpix mft sensor was too slow in readout. The new one, in GX8, is fas enough and we’ll see it in new Pen and E-M1 Mark II (99% sure)
What proof do you have that it is the Sony? Link?
That could be an in-house Panasonic Sensor in the GX8.
If true that the sensor in the GX8 is the Sony sensor, it is very disappointing news to me. After “years” I am expecting a “real” increase in DR, High ISO shadow noise improvement, etc. from Olympus. There is none of that in the GX8 sensor, just a slight improvement in resolution. That will be a real bummer as a still photographer. I do not care if the camera can shoot 8K video..the first thing I do when I get a new camera is reassign the video button. LOL!
If that is the case for the upcoming Olympus models I will be keeping what I have as there is no noticeable improvement in still image quality.
Its time for a real improvement. Make this format great, Olympus!!!
The GX8 is a very nice camera (not my thing), but if you are a Panasonic owner who likes that design you get a lot of benefits, IBIS, Dual IS, robust rangefinder-style body, etc…the 20mp sensor is like “hey..its great that Pany threw that in, but it certainly is not my reason for buying the camera”. Right?
Like, if you are buying a Sony A7RII, you ARE buying it for the sensor.
You definitely are not buying it for the native AF lens selection (although it is getting better…hmmm….LOL)
I heard that Panasonic has used his own sensors until GX8, which has a Sony one, from one of Olympus employees – and he is expecting that sensor in E-M1 Mark II.
it’s not a 100% confirmed information, but I expect when some teardowns arrive that it’ll be true – it’s IMX269 as far as I remember.
Remember, that every company has it’s own way to programme sensors and gives their own processors, so GX8 and E-M1 MKII with same sensors can give different pictures.
Still sounds VERY disappointing. Guess it is good in one way…I can save my money for my 5D Mark IV for my FF Kit. LOL! …oh…and the Oly 300mm f/4 Pro… Because I will have no real reason to buy the EMI II if that is the case…can just spend my energy creating images…and let that go until the next generation for my MFT kit. Its good enough the way it is.
I may buy the PEN if it has incredible ergonomics (Like EP-5) and VF…
But that will be it for me.
In my imagination (LMAOROTF!) I imagine…cutting an MFT sensor out of the Sony A7R II sensor…and that would be much better than the sensor in the GX8….but maybe I am wrong. Don’t know.
Then you would get 11mp only
I do not think that your math is correct on that…but I am no expert. Maybe your are right. I would need an illustration to have my feeble brain understand it. LOL!
Adendum: OK…I found this diagram
https://www.google.com/search?q=MFT+sensor+vs+Full+Frame&espv=2&biw=1388&bih=857&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiN2tvnuebJAhVMkx4KHSXxDFgQ_AUIBygC&dpr=1.25#imgrc=lr464l6Jrwdc0M%3A
My calculations show that the MFT sensor would be bout 26% of the FF sensor…so Doc…you are right ….it would be 11mp. LOL! WHAH!
Thanks, me still traumatized with math… learned the law instead, LOL
So shouldn’t we just say once more: 16 is enough?
Anyway, it’s also the processor, filter stack, readout, tweaking, software, algorithm stuff. I don’t know how close to being ready to use the sensor is, when sony delivers it to olympus. So I also don’t know if we can just look at the gx8 to see how it performs.
Amen to that – I´m in the same boat :o)
I repeat, once again, Panasonic does not make sensors. Sony has a monopoly. That news is 18 months old, why do people still think the GX8 has a panasonic sensor? It’s ludicrous, the sensor on the next Olympus is a Sony part. Do you know why? Nobody else makes m43 sensors.
Eg this review: http://www.mirrorlessons.com/2015/09/09/panasonic-gx8-vs-olympus-om-d-e-m1-sensors-and-stabilisation/
http://www.mirrorlessons.com/2015/09/09/panasonic-gx8-vs-olympus-om-d-e-m1-sensors-and-stabilisation/
Assumed this is the Sony sensor
Thanks…looked at that…no confirmation there with any facts that the GX8 has a “Sony” sensor. Right?…just a “new” sensor.
Love Mirror Lessons website and they did a GREAT comparison…
Sony did announce a new 16mp sensor along with the 20mp sensor. If the new Pen gets the 20mp sensor does this mean the E-M1 replacement will get the 16mp sensor.
No! It would be a FT sensor not MFT (as there is no such thing, just the mount). 😉
Do you have control issues? LOL!
Will this new camera have hi-res mode? A 80mpx raw file would be quite amusing.
Likely a 50mp hi-res mode with the increase to 20mp.
Please elaborate
It’ll be a meh event w/o global shutter. Olympus, bring it on!
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/56532713
If we assume that the PEN-F difference lies solely in the 20 megapixel sensor and a mandatory EVF (or in other words everything else about the PEN stays the same), how do we feel? Disappointed, elated, bored? (We already have the GX8…)
And what have you been expecting? Twin-lens EVF with square sensor?
Without a kit lens upgrade (at least one stop faster, f2.5 to 4.0), there is NOTHING new here. Without the faster lens, the only reason to buy this camera, over the Sony RX-100 (whose lens is two stops faster), is the mount, which, if you gotta have, is just as well, or better served by an OM-D. The other real upgrade would be BSI, though not likely before E-M1-MkII. In other words, I am not looking for this purported version of warmed over. I am looking for a more exciting second camera, and it looks like I am gonna wait for the LX100 follow-on, because I do not need a second camera with a slow aperture lens. If I cough for the PRO 12-40mm lens, I would see no reason to mount it on a PEN. (I continue to be astounded that the PEN crowd is satisfied with f3.5-5.6 fare. On the crop sensors you gotta have faster apertures to take back a good part of the distance to excellent low light performance, or go without it, more than likely.)
Hey hey! I am pen crowd, I do not own any zoom fare whatsoever!
I am very happy with 17mm, 25mm, and 45mm as well. I have often thought the Panasonic 20mm would be a good match for the PEN too.
It is, the 20mm, if you don’t mind the af and the slower fps continuous burst at smaller apertures (I did mind). Real nice fov and iq, but I let the 17mm take over. I don’t have the 25mm, but the rest of the oly primes do real fine on the pen. Oh, also don’t own the 60 macro, but no doubt it would be a perfect match as well.
That would be a little anticlimactic I would think. No reason to upgrade unless that EVF really is the ticket for your needs.
My expectation is that this new PEN-F also will have features on par with the current EM10-ii, possibly with 4k video but not on par with GX8.
The BIG question in my mind is how big will this camera be? I’m hoping for something similar in size to the current PL7. I’ll be disappointed if it’s as large as the E-P5, but that’s likely what it will be.
I expect it to be as small as an e-p5.
I hope for 4K, weather sealing, 5-stop IBIS, new sensor, EVF on the corner, flippy screen or at least tilt that can turn 180° (mandatory as per my wife’s wishes)
Integrated flash would be nice, but not mandatory.
Basically a GX8 made by olympus (with olympus IBIS and features) but less bulky and weighing a few grams less.
Excited! I can’t do Panasonics because of the field sequential EVFs (although I do like my GM1), so if I want an EVF it has to be an Olympus camera. Really enjoyed using the E-P3 back in the day but would love to see an EVF in the same form factor. A new sensor should be exciting for everybody, especially the noisy “no new sensor, no buy” crowd. If the PEN-F is basically an E-M5 II in a PEN form factor and a new 20MP sensor, that’s exciting to me.
I agree about not liking field sequential EVF’s, but because I am already delighted with the OM-D, I have no need or interest in the PEN. I see no advantage for the shape, or a disadvantage otherwise for the tiny OM shape. For the stylish, rangefinder shape (if you are so inclined to favor it), I see a real problem that negates the advantage of the 4/3 sensor over 1-inch. Because of the two-stop aperture disadvantage, the pancake kit lens forces the use of 3200 ISO when you can get away just fine at 800 ISO on the smaller sensor. Or, you can fork over another $900 for the 12-40mm f2.8 lens. For the PEN, the use of primes is recommended, the 17mm f1.8 and 20mm f1.7 in particular.
Not a kit lens guy myself. I’d definitely shoot primes on it. 17mm f/1.8 is my go-to every day lens.
Indeed. Of my three, 17mm, 25mm, and 45mm, I originally expected to leave the 25mm mounted most of the time, such was my habit from film days. Truth be known, the 17mm gets the mount most often. It’s a wonderful little lens.
Olympus — either put OSPDAF in more than one single model or rerelease lenses such 50-200 on the double!
Hi, I am the owner of an Olympus Pen-2 4/3 camera and I have couple of Olympus and Panasonic lenses.
I am wondering if this possible new Olympus Pen-F to be released hopefully in the next few months, will fully accept and by fully compatible with my existing lenses (ie, not loosing the automatic controls….)?
Thanks in advance and happy 2016-
Andrea
Any updates on this camera? Will it be a successor to the E-P5 or E-PL7 (Is it competing with the GX8 or the GM5)?
Really hoping to see twin control dials and a big bright EVF, but looking at how Oly ditched the E-P line and are stuffing all their goodies into the E-M line..fat hope?