UPDATE: The image of the GX7 can be seen at Postimg and Tinypic.
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A top source had the chance to test the GX7. He said the image quality of the sensor beats any other MFT camera to date…at any ISO! The sensor isn’t multi-aspect and not organic (that sensor will arrive late 2014). It has 16 MP effective pixels. Actually Panasonic managed to increase the single pixel area and Micro-lenses have been optimized. Also the Venus engine has been improved. And as I told you yesterday the video quality is the same of the GH3. Sounds all great!
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waw…flame could begging!
Come again?
I guess he meant BEGIN.
And flaming has BEGUN long before (on the other Topic).
I am an OM-D owner and really hope this rumour is true.
Any good M4/3 products is great for the format!
Ditto !
I ‘was’ an OMD owner! I just sold it while it still holds good value. Hard to see that persisting for much longer with the GX7 and OMD II on its way. Just going to have to make do with the RX100 until the GX7 drops.
Couldn’t agree more! I am wathcing the news continuously. Usually shortcomings will be published later, but this sounds good to me so far. Now what is required is the OIS of the Olympus systems…
Please shut up. Nothing else is needed that stops you and anyone else who wants this camera from going out and taking some pictures.
you have to be the Buzz kill huh!!, stop being such an ass to people its Friday!.
lol
Now this is getting interesting! Body looks awesome, finally rather small, slim body with big enough grip. Exactly what i wanted, i really liked nex-6 for this, but don’t like nex lens lineup. Glad to hear it’s not re-used gh2 sensor, not a bad performer sure, but far more easy to part with such amount of cash when you know, that you’re getting current best 🙂
I wish the shutter button was in place of Lumix logo. Then it would be perfect design. Though the current one is still VERY good.
you mean on the front of the body? that seems counter intuitive to me. At least any displacement front pushing down on a shutter doesnt affect the dof “plane”.
While I am hoping for the best the mention of the Venus engine may mean they just changed the way noise is processed in JPEGs and there is little improvement in raw files.
Interesting point, Dave….although the source does say it is the best MFT sensor to date…so I am guessing that would mean that the Raw files are also the best quality at all ISO’s. Panasonic NEEDS this camera to remain competitive, so…so far I like what I hear, but we still don’t know what Oly has up their sleeve with the new OMD. I can’t get too excited till I have more info about this very cool rangefinder “style” camera and also, until I see all of the offerings. Exciting, fun times, though.
OK also this problem we need, Hehehe.
But i think the new OM-D use sam sensor too. 😉
…well…I think this is a brand new sensor in the GX7 and that there will be a new sensor in the new OMD…if not I will just hold on to what I have and wait for the organic sensor…..
No organic senor, no buy – I’m fed up with those artificial sensors 😀 !
Joking aside, this is excellent news if true. Old sensor would be the only thing preventing me from seriously considering GX7…
Why ? Organic decompose, while non-biodegradable synthetic would outlast the owner. 😀
No test methodology or telling if the source is comparing the picture directly to other camera.
at least you can eat the organic sensor instead of dumping it.
You wouldn’t be able to digest the entire sensor, so you would eventually dump large parts of it.
you haven’t seen my skillls in the kitchen yet.
LIKE!
No, just another bit of compost for the garden. 😉
While I am hoping for the best the mention of the Venus engine may mean they just changed the way noise is processed in JPEGs and there is little improvement in raw files. I am not sure how they could increase the per pixel area significantly in a sensor with exactly the same size and number of pixels as previous sensors. If they went with BSI they could reduce the space used for interconnects but that is not a big deal in m43 sized sensors.
Sorry for the double post, my last one went into “waiting for moderation” because I forgot to login.
shut up and take my money
Word. 😀
I would second that (if I had any left)…
I have to laugh at all the people that said “The GX7 has a GH2 sensor in it! Panasonic is doomed! ACK!” Time to eat crow people. LOL
This is sweet news. I am definitely going to get the GX7 for my wife, and I am going to get a GH3 or the rumored GH5 when it comes out. I’d rather wait for the GH3 replacement, so I can get a portrait battery grip for it. 🙂
And even if it was the GH2’s sensor, it’s only so much part of the equation.
People talk about the gh2’s sensor with such disdain (as if the GH2 itself was a slouch) have no clue how far more 2 years of development can go to pull out more out of it. Just look at what Nikon did time and again with any generation of sensors they ever worked with…
yes i read that nikon always spent millions in developing new pipeline codecs(which have more impact on the image IQ then sensorsize or # of pixels)
Indeed, Panasonic is going from strength to strength!
Olympus? Who is that?
at least that source could give more details or maybe samples?
@admin: Where are the old comments?
This is a new post with the same camera pic. There are no old comments (yet).
It appears yesterday’s post has been deleted for some reason
Deleted (or hidden), it seems:
http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-first-image-of-the-new-panasonic-gx7/
Weird. It’s the second post in this week that disappears from wordpress. Don’t know why this happens. Anyway, system udpate will be performed soon and this may solves the problem.
MEGAPIXEL WAR IS OVER.
Big like!
I’ll believe it when I see it. Panny marketing (FT5) going full steam, mh?
Wonder if meanwhile DXO is kept on the leash panting 🙂
It will be announced on August 1st, so it will be available to buy for Christmas at earliest in the US.
Until then, my money is safe 😉
well if you Yanks don’t mind paying our prices you can get the Panasonic gear on launch in the UK /EU lol , the companies have to make a few bob before the give you the bargain prices. Before you give the market size claim fact is the EU is the larger camera market
Well, we yanks sure can buy in the EU…
AND get a refund of the VAT when we leave.
That takes some of the sting out of inflated prices. 😉
Well, Limey, the EU (you know, where all the other countries use the Euro instead of Pounds in the UK) may have a greater population, but you will be shocked to find that the fact remains that more cameras are actually sold in the US. I know that’s hard to take, but true.
Looks like panasonic finally did again. It was about time!
It will be announced on August 1st, so it will be available to buy for Christmas at earliest in the US.
My money is safe until then 😉
Right that does it – who wants to buy a second-hand GH3?
Yeah, so much for the GH3, hey pana bois??
Yes, waaaaaaah, my GH3 is a few months old and it’s suddenly no good for anything. waaaaaaah
Now if this is true, I am willing to part with my money
I’ll take an all black unit please wirh 20mm kit
🙂
If they go IBIS, they will just admit that Olympus was right and their old lenses will cost nothing!!!
Don’t forget OIS switch.
Most of the panny lenses outsell the olympus ones anyway… Don’t olympus has a TON of old Four Third lenses nobody wants for full retail still??
The best selling panasonic lenses have no OIS.
Not true, because the optical image stabilisation is still needed for video!
Not true, because if your relying on some form of IS for video recording your doing it wrong. The right way to stabilize for video is a tripod, some sort of shoulder mount, or a steadicam
I’m sorry, but I must respond to such a ridiculous statement. There is no “wrong” or “right.” There is only what works and what doesn’t. If IS works for a video shot, it works. Period.
Painting by numbers is rarely considered to be interesting art form.
Damn, is looking gooood!
Now to begin the long (ish!) wait for it to be released & then drop down to $199 😉
Admin, stop publishing these news! I am on vacation n the beautiful Azores islands and keep finding some WiFi café to check the latest on the GX7, instead of going takng pictures (well I’m doing that as well
YOU WILL BOW
Admin, anything about dynamic range?
Hey if it is true and the body is ergonomically at least as good as it looks I may stay with m43 !
Finally a rangefinder camera with a nice sensor and a good design. I hope that Olympus will react and will release something with a better ergonomics then E-M5.
LOL there’s no rangefinder.
what is more important EVF or Tochscreen??? (Pana vs Oly)
Pany vs Oly?
The Pany has EVF and Touchscreen!
Awesome!
What does the little button near the MF/AF switch say, I can’t quite make it out.
AF/AE LOCK
That makes sense, glad it has its own button.
Panasonic disseminates rumors of great image quality, but I bet it is one of the existing 16 mpix (effective) sensors. They do it all the time, remember G6? G5? GX1? “Completely new”…
If they were creating a new sensor at this point, they would opt for 20 mpix to better compete with Sony, Canon, Nikon – just for marketing reasons.
New VENUS also sounds like the same new as in G6 – see 5 fps.
Phuuuh, new sensor in GH3.
Except it was not new either, used by 3 Oly cameras by the time of GH3 release.
Right, i is argee there. 😉
+1 I agree.. wouldn’t mind being wrong though.. 😉
Sounds good.
Now let’s see it!
I need pictures to see how it performs. Great news anyway, if Dynamic Range has been improved and there’s a real 100 ISO option I might seriously take it into consideration.
Let’s see what the different camera from Olympus will offer.
Do we know what’ll be the price?
An rumors say 999€.
Is the ring around the shutter button an on/off switch? It doesn’t appear to be a dial and the image seem to indicate 2 small protrusions on either side at around 4 & 8 o’clock…
The lever under the mode dial could be just that, a lever for zooming
So what does the GH3 have that the GX7 won’t?
dial , panel control ,battery grip ,stereo ears-phone or silent shutter(e-shutter)
6 FPS, weather sealing, headphone jack, battery grip option, fully articulated screen.
i guess 1.4 micron FSI ,@ they show in 2011,QE (quantum efficiency) more than 79% can beats any BSI sensor
“He said the image quality of the sensor beats any other MFT camera to date…”
My bet: that’s marketing talk for the GH3 (and E-P5 and E-M5) sensor with an improved JPEG engine.
Anyway, this are good news. Frankly I have already accepted the IQ of the G5 and G6 (and GF6) sensors: it is sufficient to me. Better sensor is better, but with the fast lenses the sensors in G6 and GF6 are also OK to me. (But Panny better not relax: competition isn’t sleeping and at some point the lens catalog advantage alone wouldn’t suffice to sway me.)
I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that this sensor will benchmark near where the D7100 comes in, which ain’t too shabby for the DR and low light categories. Only drawback I can see is the frame rate is a bit on the low side, perhaps this will change in a future firmware update (long shot I know).
@Tron
5ps might be with continuous autofocus, you might have a much higher frame rate with focus lock or manual focus?
@tron I would be extatic if the sensor does as well as the D7100 though I will be surprised as we haven’t matched the previous gen APS yet.
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/(appareil1)/793|0/(brand)/Olympus/(appareil2)/676|0/(brand2)/Pentax
As a primarily Oly fan, I am excited to hear this! More innovation and quality from a competitor can only mean it drives all parties to push their stuff even more next iteration! 😀 Healthy competition benifits the consumer greatly when one manufacterer isn’t drastically superior to the other.
GX7 has only 5 FPS!
That is an indicator for an old sensor design. GH2 had the same 5 FPS and may be it is just that sensor of 2010.
In other words: GH3 would still be a better foto camera. GX7 would be on level of G6. With good JPEG Processing by a new Venus Engine but not that good high ISO.
“GX7 has only 5 FPS! That is an indicator for an old sensor design.”
One of the more absurd comments I’ve seen in a while.
FPS performence depends on speed of sensor refresh.
As light gathering was improved the refreshrate encreased accordingly.
“Best 4/3 sensor ever”? I heard that many times before.
Anyway, I am not going to buy another camera because of its sensor alone. What I already have is more than I will ever need. I am waiting for a sturdy, sealed camera which supports both m4/3 and FT glass. That might be the last camera I buy for many years.
The GX7 is surely interesting, but a step sideways AFAIC. It does not seem to offer any significant advantage for my photography no matter how advanced its sensor is.
“Beat any m4/3 camera sensors as up to date” .
It should be cause this is a 24 months cycle camera .
Like the GX1 , did the same when it was launched 2 years back . What happen to MCS tech ? And the long time mentioned by Pana , a global shutter ?
What I really want to see is a significant improvement in RAW quality over the current GX1 .
If Pana manage to achieve this , definitely I’ll seal the deal again .
I’m most excited about that tilting EVF. Really no one has it except if you go for an add-on accessory (and the oly VF4 is huge!).
As I shoot macro it’s going be awesome!
And for the first time moving to panny from oly won’t been giving up on image stabilisation.
Wouldn’t tilting EVF make shooting macro easier if it was tilting DOWN instead of UP? What kind of macro are you shooting in the skies?
using the EVF at its vertical position looking down like an old fashioned medium format screen is great for many types of macro shooting
I’d be careful with a statement from on person that says it’s the best ever. We’ve heard that before and then it turned out to be wrong.
but its coming from a “top source” and admin puts alot of faith in this source, judging by the FT5 classification.
There have FT5 rumors that turned out to be wrong, just saying.
That’s why they are called rumors and not facts. Giving the highest ranking doesn’t make it sure, afaik. But let’s see, shall we? This is fun!
According to this site’s almanak of how to interpret the FT 5 rating:
FT5=81-99% chance the rumor is correct
Things are looking better and better. Look forward to hearing and seeing what the best m4/3rds sensor really means. Still have to see how the camera handles. And whether the protruding eye piece will be hard to slip in and out of a pocket, and too fragile for that.
Also look forward to seeing the black body.
> He said the image quality of the sensor beats any other MFT camera to date
Let me guess… based on JPEG output, as no raw converter supports the GX7 yet. LOL
Remember how often that was told before for most of the Panasonic cameras released in the last 2 years. Bullshit to create a hype. Wait until the camera is released, then we’ll see what is capable of.
Let’s see in one month! 🙂
Is it a confirmed MAR sensor? What is the lowest ISO? Are the video options the same as GH3? Does the IBS and OIS work together or not? Is the LCD really tiltable and not fully articulated as the evf seems to be in the way of the tilt?
Will it be announced in August 1? Will we know some the the above answers by then?
NEW…16mp Live Mos-Sensor made by Panasonic.
Slightly better (photo) than GH3s non Panasonic-Sensor.
Sensor-Readout optimized…less noise as a result
Video on the same level as GH3….though All-I compression is not available in GX7
That’s what I fear too. Purposeful leaking of “best ever” statements is nothing new. Also, remember that the first GX7 info was “leaked” immeditately after the E-P5 was announced?
16MP and 5 FPS is definitely an old Panasonic Sensor. The only positive alternative would be a Fuji X-Sensor.:-)
…or slow 5 FPS are a wrong rumor…
maybe you assume too quickly too….there are a few raw editors which can open raw files before official support is out.
@Me
Panasonic doesn’t do bullshit or hyperbole which is a minus, they are far too understated…
no they leave that BS to Olympus how many times did they claim that their latest camera had a new 12mp when it was the same old same old. Or what about the various AF claims from FT days lol.We need less hype and more product from all the makers
The is not first time, the come info that GX7 have an new sensor, so i think the can be 100% is an better sensor too.
The camera I was looking for!
Based on number of features (tiltable EVF+touchscreen+probably a decent controls scheme), this looks like the new standard as far as RF-style. Hope this will make manufacturers like Sony and Olympus get a bit more serious. They kept omitting obvious features for long enough.
Agreed… And it’s so pretty!
Same thing I said about the E-P5… I guess I’m a design slut, or corrupted by hanging out with the camera=jewelry crowd too long. One thing’s for sure: NEX has a long way to go on this front, and µ43 now has another clear plus.
What I also like is how the 18MP sensor suddenly becomes a 16MP sensor. I guess shortly after “best m43 sensor” becomes “best Pana m43 sensor”, which means it just has to be slightly better than the pimped GH2 sensor in the G6.
If it was the GH2 sensor, big deal. It ticks so many other boxes, I’m sold. I’m sure IQ has been improved “IF” it’s the same sensor. Hopefully, it’s not, and it’s a whole new 18mp sensor.
Either way, Hurry and release it, Panasonic.
Agreed. We are so anal on this forum. You’ll be able to take stunning pics with this baby no matter which iteration of the sensor is into it, at this point of m43 evolution.
You are very concerned I can tell.
No, then it would have to be better than the sensor in the GH3.
No, the GH3 has the same Sony sensor as Olympus uses. The raw output is much too similar to be from sensors from different manufacturers. And there should be no doubt that the Olympus sensor really is made by Sony, given their recent cooperation and exchange of technology. Sony, for example, will use the 5-axis IBIS in future cameras.
To date, there are three different m4/3 sensors with 16 effective megapixels:
G3/GX1/GF6
GH2/G5/G6
GH3/E-M5/E-P5/E-PL5/E-PL6/E-PM2
This new model sounds promising except that Panasonic has a habit of warming up old sensors and then claiming that they are new. I desperately want improved dynamic range but I am not getting excited just yet… there is nothing that I have read that proves that this is not just a reworked GH2 sensor.
I still own a GF1 and love the rangefinder style. I use the retro style Panasonic leather case which allows me to carry it around my neck and just flip open the back to grab an opportunistic shot without having to take it out of a bag. The protruding EVF is a real disappointment since it prevents the use of this sort of case. How is this an improvement from a protruding SLR-type hump in the centre?? Top marks for the EVF spec but the eyepiece will just bang on your chest when you have it on a neck strap and tilt the camera on to the buttons on the right. Can we have a button and touch screen lock please?
I agree. We might all have become a bit blase’. The EVF, as mentioned seems to be the part, except the mount, requiring more room. So you either add it in the vertical or in the horizontal. I suspect that this is due to the optical magnification, because the NEX-7 doesn’t have protrusion, but has a lesser magnification than the E-M5.
Tilt up EVF doesn’t really hide this design problem, it makes it worse in so far the viewing unit becomes more fragile. So it’s not yet the Leica-like body I was expecting, and not as sturdy as the E-M5 solution. However if it sells well it might start a chain reaction, and make the design evolve further.
well said , I agreed almost all points you made here.
EVF reminds me of the Konica Minolta A2. It has a tilting EVF. Great feature, but also creates a somewhat more fragile camera.
The EVF doesn’t get in the way at all. I use it with a neck strap and it doesn’t “bang” on my chest. In fact, this camera is even smaller, so I’m sure it won’t be a problem at all.
“[…] there is nothing that I have read that proves that this is not just a reworked GH2 sensor.”
You say it as if it was a bad thing.
Why won’t you use your own eyes and see the difference between GH2 sensor and the “reworked GH2 sensor” as found in, for example, the G6.
Comparator: http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
G6’s sensor is definitely not the E-M5’s or GH3’s one, but still far far ahead of the original GH2 one. (And the G6’s sensor matches very well the sensor in the recent Canon 700D – to spite the “APS-C is bigger/better than 43” aficionados.)
It’s kind’a getting tired hearing people repeating “it’s the same old sensor” when IQ from the studio tests over years clearly show improvements of the Panny sensors.
Those comparisons are taken at default JPEG settings . download the RAW files if you want any kind of accurate comparison
“G6′s sensor is definitely not the E-M5′s or GH3′s one, but still far far ahead of the original GH2 one. (And the G6′s sensor matches very well the sensor in the recent Canon 700D – to spite the “APS-C is bigger/better than 43″ aficionados.)”
APS is bigger and better assuming you pick the best options available which include the D5100,D7000,D5200,D7100,K5,K7et al,NEX5,NEX6,NEX7,FUJI X ETC,in fact Canon APS is the only APS sensor that is behind the EM5/GH3 but if you feel comparing old sensors to new is ok here is the GF6 which came out three months ago compared to the D7100 which came out 5 months ago oh dear
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/%28appareil1%29/872|0/%28brand%29/Panasonic/%28appareil2%29/865|0/%28brand2%29/Nikon
Go out and take photos, and forget dxo numbers..
Sounds good. Put this sensor in a gf6 body with the gf6 price id snap one up in a heart beat. I don’t use view finders or pay that much for a camera so I’ll be skipping this one and sticking with the e-pm2 for a little longer. Nice to know panasonic are on the right path tho
This is so f**ked. GX7 comes with body stabilization, G6 comes with focus-peaking…and my more expensive GH3 comes with neither…WTF!?
But the gh3 has, better bit rates, more controls, clean Hdmi out, headphone jack, battery grip and the only thing I don’t like about my gh3 tons of moire and aliasing.
Why you have marked the rumor as FT5? There are no reviews, test etc that show us that it is the best m43 sensor!!
because the info is from a trusted source.
-This camera is going to get from this site, when Panasonic officially announces it.
I mean, it’s still kinda a rumor, and the dislike for it is hilarious.
But please, there is no problem of a rumor, but to say that a camera that NEVER been tested is better than all the others is absurd…Lets wait at least for the reviews…can we?
To be fair the only comparison that the person need to make is to a GH3 or E-M5 as we have nothing better it is not as if they needed to look at 1000 models. Though we have heard nonsense from all corners look at some of the bonkers claims about the GH3 when it came out,I am happy with the performance of the OMD/GH3 sensor and this body seems to tick a lot of other boxes.
I totally agree, i think the OMD sensor is really good already..its just that this isnt a rumor, is pure PROPAGANDA…
It looks like a fantastic rangefinder-STYLED camera with all the right specs. We hope Olympus sees this marvel and put a viewfinder in the next PEN. No one would buy a 1000 € MFT camera any-more without a viewfinder.
C’mon, you know that Oly fanbois will eat up the EP5 regardless…
for pretty retro looks, over-saturated JPEGs, 5-way IBIS, and the magic of Zuiko. And a big lump of an external EVF. 😉
Looks like I can go buy the 7-14 that I was holding off on buying. Didn’t like the “purple spots” reports on EM-5’s. But now I can replace that! (Guessing it won’t be a problem with the GX7).
GW: purple spots (lens flare) is a lens’ fault. Being a ultra wide angle you need to pay attention where the sun is. Panasonic corrects (a little bit) CA when shooting JPEGs, but you will still find those purple dots on RAW files.
Simply put: shoot in black and white and accept the sun rays in your photo, or keep the sun behind you, or wait for a better nano-coated version of 7-14mm. Btw, I have it and love it.
Exactly.
I don’t get too much purple flare with my GH2, but when it inevitably appears when shooting into bright light, I view it as part of the image. It’s really not worth getting all twisted up over. Maybe a giant add-on lens hood would solve the problem. 😉
-Most of it is taken out in Panasonic software.. It’s the Panasonic lens on a Olympus body that you have to worry about.
GW: Is this problem specific to the E-M5/7-14 combination? I’ve only heard vague things about this.
If this is “purple spots” as in lens flare, then it’s all in the lens. Same with chromatic aberration in the visible range.
If we are talking about “purple fringing”, it could be solved by lowering UV sensitivity of the sensor or using a UV filter, which can’t be added on the 7/14, of course…
Well..: I thought Panasonic bodies have definitions for Olympus lenses and vice versa?
Pana corrects both distortion and aberrations, oly corrects distortion only
It is not a *problem*, per se.
Panasonic bodies correct for chromatic aberrations, and do to quite some extent remove purple fringing. Both Panasonic and Olympus bodies correct for distortion.
I own this lens and use it on my E-M5 and have used it on a G2. Either way I get purple spots in predictable conditions because of lens flare, but less purple fringing when using it on the G2.
I don’t see it as a real problem, but it is something to be aware of.
J Shin, I should add the fact that you can fix CA with two clicks on Lightroom.
By the way, I’ve found a “do it yourself” way, on the web, to add a Cokin ND filter (the squared one) to the 7-14mm.
Too lazy to order the pieces and try it though..
Since now I have never had an “important” photo ruined by heavy lensflare
Sorry, *until now.
@MarcoSartoriPhoto
Cokin filters probably aren’t going to work on the 7-14, at least not “out-of-box”.
Because of the petal hood you’re going to have to deal with internal reflections because the filter won’t be that close to the element – unless of course you cut the filter to sit inside the petal hood and seal it so that light doesn’t get into the gap.
A more elegant solution, although still literally a hack is to attach gel filters to the rear.
BTW – what body are you shooting with?
Don’t necessarily want to post a bunch of 3rd party links, but there are a multitude of examples in m43 forums.
“Spots” are reported as notoriously worse on the E-M5/7-14 combination. So users that are pointing out that lens flare is the fault of the lens are probably using the lens on Panasonic bodies where it is not so prominent or have not hit the circumstances where it is such an issue.
A largish purple square on a darkish part of the picture, that totally looks like a somewhat distorted reflection of a bright window elsewhere in the frame, is most certainly flare, ghosting even, and not at all chromatic aberrations, not even remotely related to chromatic aberrations, and pretty much impossible to mistake for it. There are many situations where the difference is blatantly evident, and where its pretty much impossible to mistake one for the other for someone who understands the causes of both flare and chromatic aberrations.
And I still dont believe even in these pics being genuine. Strange, huh?
GH3 etc. uses gapless micro lens. There isnt any room to improve it this way. They could improve SNR (simply better electronics, but that will surely increase cost), with improved SNR, usable DR is also improved. And sure, better engine helps (unless you shoot RAW).
It might be better, but so far I doubt it even looks like this, let alone speculate if it will be better image quality wise.
No MAR!? *sigh*
Admin, any idea on the IBIS? Will it works together with OIS lenses?
+1 – Looks like, instead of upgrading from my GH2, I’ll be upgrading my 650D to a 70D.
I agree 43 is dead , just a fuji or any apsc
Build-In IBIS and LENS-IBIS will not complement each other.
As for some hoped to get a kind of 4-5Way IBIS…something like Oly’s 5-way IBIS.
Would have been a quite cool idea.
Cam-IBIS will be deactivated as soon as an IBIS-Lens is detected.
Nevertheless you will now have IBIS with you Panasonic primes, as with all the other legacy or Oly lenses too 🙂
What excites me most is, that if this little camera is the beast it is rumored, what the hell will the GH5 be?! I´m looking in your direction 12 bit raw video 😀
That is exactly what I’m waiting for – the GH5. 🙂 Similar specs as the GX7 and improves on the GH3. 🙂 That baby will be mine with the 12-35mm and 35-100mm lenses to start with. 😀
I wouldn´t say similar specs… the release date of the new organic panafuji sensor fits just too perfect with their typical GH two year lifespan ^^ …and as mentioned I guess at least a 10 bit video codec is a must have by then…
no new camera for me for the next 1 1/2 years… maybe I turn my attention to the upcoming voigtländer 🙂
So my choice of MFT is on the right path then!? A happy OM-D owner btw~=D Glad to hear MFT sensor is improving & evolving~
“Best m4/3 ever”
Where is the test/proof ? just because a guy says that we have to eat it ?! LOL. That’s pure bullshits. Can’t wait for the Brand new old gh2 sensor with “amazing” improvement lol. As a Nikon shooter there is no way I buy a “lumix” camera lol. I MUCH prefer walk in the streets with a Olympus just sayin’
Troll
Now that would be funny but for the rather inconvenient fact that Olympus used the exact same 12mp sensor for a couple of generations of camera both FT and mFT while claiming that they were “new” sensor. But , hey maybe I am just being a cynic we can always trust Olympus spokesmen to be honest can’t we ?
Oly was using the sensors that Pana decided to give them. Now Oly is using Sony sensors. Maybe they will use the same Sony sensor for 5 years now.. Or maybe not.
Finally Panasonic stepping up! I’m a bit surprised by the delay because I expected THIS sensor for the GH3 and a multi-aspect one would have been awesome. Will Panasonic use PDAF on sensor?
The usual haters are nowhere to be seen! A first fro 43rumors!
They are caught by surprise. They will soon organize their arguments and counterattack, for what is worth..
No kidding….Adriannte must be asleep!
Hm, did Fotomagazin request to take the picture down?
Fotomagazine is busy apologizing to Pana so they can still get cameras to review in the future …
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You even put your 43rumors notice on Fotomagazin’s image. You also misspelled the source as fotomagazine.de with an e. Why do you think you may use other people’s images without permission, while you expressly don’t allow anyone to borrow images from your site?
Because he can. Welcome to the Internet mine German friend!
Being the best M43’s isn’t enough. It needs to best the NEX, X, M, and 1 series to be taken seriously. It needs to wipe the floor with the EM5.
The EM5 did wonders for the M43’s format – pulling users from dslr territory. Lets hope this continues with the LX7.
I really Hope this rumour is true, but pana’s recent track record (G6/GH3) does not inspire confidence.
“The EM5 did wonders for the M43′s format – pulling users from dslr territory. Lets hope this continues with the LX7.””
Have you actually read the sales numbers for last years sales of mFT not good reading , despite the best attempts of a few financial wizards here lol to try and explain away the poor sales numbers. The poor sales of mFT were even reported here
You’d be surprised to know how many dSLR users the E-M5 took to the m4/3 forums asking for settings.
Clearly you have no idea since you are a latecomer troll. 🙂
Raw sales figures don’t tell the whole story. Unfortunately, we don’t have an alternate reality to compare a world without the E-M5. For all we know sales figures would have been much worse without it. I’m not saying they would have been, but they COULD have been.
The GF1 was the first camera to lure DSLR users to this format. That, coupled with the 20mm.
Yes, the GF1/20mm (with the EP2) did prob bring the first dslr users to M43 but the EM5 made them sell their DSLR’s.
LOL, LOL….panasonic source tested their own sensor and its the best to date!!! please….thank you for the laugh!!
“Same video quality as GH3” does that mean it can record 50Mbps IBP .MOV files and has an ALL-I option?
GH2 video looks worse than GH2; aliasing and colder. Bitrate isn’t everything.
It wasn’t so long ago Olympus users were literally begging Olympus to put the GH2 sensor in their cameras… Just soak that it for a moment.
So what? It wasn’t so long ago people thought 640k is enough…
Suddenly the GH2 isn’t any good any more? Too many morons on this forum. Then why are GH2 used prices at similar levels to the original price of the new GH2? Because the GH2 remains in demand. This camera still takes great stills, and the videographers continue to snap it up as it provides excellent video at a bargain price compared to the Canon. Yeah, I guess that “old”, “outdated” sensor just can’t handle the needs of the so-called experts here on this forum. Give me a break.
It’s not a metter of good enough. Most sensors are good enough for our needs, but when we buy new camera, we expect to have the current state of the arts sensor. It is a precept value.
Glad to hear the rumour’d specs. It’s all looking good for Panasonic and the design looks remarkably like the concept drawing before. It’s quite handsome. Also pleased to see they really are going forward with IBIS.
I probably won’t get one, as I’m really happy with my OMD still, but if I was in the market for a new m4/3 camera I’d probably wait for this one now.
Just stopped by Samy’s on Fairfax about 2 hours ago, and inquired about the GX7
One salesperson said “There is no such thing! You mean the GX1.”
The other one said, “Let’s look in the system”, after I inquired about pricing, release date, etc…
Their computer told them $999, body-only, with no release date.
But, he said, if it’s in their database already, it’s a very good sign that’s it’s got a realistic release date and the price will hold.
We’ll see.
Anyway all m43 are well know for their terrible Image
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http://www.flickr.com/groups/om-d_user/
Is just the size but even hipsters are using now fuji
I’s the Ergonomics, Stupid – will the camera be more oriented towards the screen or the EVF use?
I.e. the E-M5 looks EVF oriented but in fact the tactile screen (push-shutter) makes it less EVF than appears.
The Fujis are exactly the opposite, so it will be interesting to see what is Panny interpretation of hybrid viewing.
i will buy this to keep my em5 company …. i moved on and have fujiitis with the exy-one with metabones nikon mount speedbooster…..im not dumping m43 just yet
the gx7 was the dream camera ive sought since my ep1 days…..panasonic has risen to the occasion
olympus has fallen
In your mind. It wouldn’t be the first time that morons predict the demise of Oly.