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Many here will not be happy with Adobe offering a subscription only Photoshop. Anyway, if you want and need the best than Photoshop is the way to go. Today Adobe released Photoshop CC, the Creative Cliude version. You have to pay a monthly fee of $19.99. Th new Photoshop has many new features like an updated “Smart Sharpen” function, ability to apply Camera Raw edits on layers, a Camera Shake Reduction filter.
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I hope they won’t do thesame with Lightroom..
Adobe has already said that Lightroom will remain as-is!
Thank the Gods!!!
No subscriptions or “cloud” BS for me, thank you!
+1
I truly need and want both PS and LR…Neither software does everything well in organizing and retouching images.
I agree…with the basic sentiment here…..I do not see myself “tethered” to Adobe…as much as they would like to see that… The “updated-version” gravy train is over and I really feel that I owe adobe nothing, considering the cost of that software to each individual. I actually think that it is quite arrogant of them to mandate this change in how they do business…
If you don’t think lightroom has enough editing for photography, then you’re doing some pretty heavy manipulation. I enjoy playig with photoshop when I get the chance, but for actual photography lightroom is plenty.
LOL! in your world Red. LR is great software…but it still is PS “light” for retouching still photographs. Without layers it is crippling for any advanced work. LR is a GREAT image organizing, storing and viewing tool which is what it started out to be (hint: the Lightroom was the place in the studio that you had a light box to view transparencies.). The photo editing features have been added over time…but Adobe holds back on their implementation to keep PS as their premier photo manipulation software.
I admit that LR can do a lot for correcting an image. For the basics it is all many photographers will ever need …but it is jut a candle next to the bonfire called PS when it comes to image editing. LR shines as an image viewing and organizing tool and a GREAT space-saving base for cataloging images. I work from there and use PS as a plugin with my work. Great set-up. …but costly.
Does’nt look like they added much? …. not $20 a month more than cs6….
New sharpen tool??? – for tools who can’t use the existing tools without blowing the image?
They are trying hard to push little… ok real time 3d texture painting is cool… but thats about it!
Until they decide to rethink this and offer PS as a one time purchase again, I am not going to buy another Photoshop. I’ve been using PS since version PS5.0 in 1999, and have bought the upgrades ever since, but I will NOT be tethered to a subscription model, so for me, CS6 is IT. It’s a shame, but it is what it is…..
Yep, same here, except I started using Photoshop version ONE. I pretty much upgraded every other version. 1, 2.5, 3, 5, 7, CS, CS3, CS6. CS6 will be the end of the line for me, unless Adobe sees fit to satisfy their customer base.
Oh, but wait, Adobe started screwing us long-time Mac users back in the 90’s with late and feature stripped versions of Mac versions. To top that, they bought and killed Freehand in favor of the bloated POS Illustrator.
That said, Lightroom is fantastic!
and Lightroom came out on Macs first of all.
Ah freehand – good old days… when software was RESPNOSIVE!
Hear hear! If only all software were RESPNOSIVE!
I stopped using Adobe after version 2 when it started to become bloat ware. I stopped using ACDSEE after it becomes bloat ware…
Now I use IrfanView(free software) with all the add-ons like Topaz, Focus Magic, Noise Ninja… etc. It works fine with RAW(as long as you have the various camera software installed on the same computer) be it Canon, Panasonic,…
Say goodbye to Adobe price gouging.
I miss Freehand. A great program!
I need to rethink my position as well. I start back in the nineties too and then have been getting every other up grade since CS started. I mostly use camera raw and a little bit of PS, but I like the way bridge integrates the two and I’m afraid I’ll miss that. I tried Lightroom, but didn’t like the way it worked. I wonder how elements works now with camera raw. Does anyone know if camera raw is exactly the same version as used in PS? Maybe I should just say fuck it and move to Aperture and deal with the change.
The Camera Raw that comes with Photoshop Elements is a dumbed down version. No luck there.
Have a look at this for PS Elements:
http://thepluginsite.com/products/metaraw/
Well, there will be a shift and Adobe will start to lose customers. They are NOT the only game in town any longer. Bye, bye adobe, it’s been expensive knowing you.
Problem is that Adobe targets professionals and companies with such products, so if you stop buying their products as amateur or enthusiast type of customer, they don’t care.
But they are still the best.
@stu and other non-long-term-thinkers.
Yes, they (Adobe) ARE the best. That’s the only reason they can try milking their customers now. And of course they are allowed to do so, the market isn’t determined by any moral, ethical, etc. aspects.
But they WON’T BE the best in the future (because they won’t be in the future ;).
Of course professionals won’t jump off the Adobe train at the moment. But not many hobby/casual users/teens/students will jump ON the Adobe train now – so in the long run the Adobe train will run out of fuel. The students of today are the users in a couple of years… And a broad customar basis helps in staying at the top on a long time scale… 😉
Only one small problem with that ‘Fab’ students like CC. They say it saves them money which is does. No large up front cost which there were even with the discount they use to get. That money can now go on buying more hardware, their rent, food etc. They prefer the monthly cost as it saves them money now, which means their parents like it as well.
Also a student that can’t use CC products is no use to an employer in the future. They just won’t get the job.
@Stu
Past: A student buys an academic version (200 Euro) and uses this maybe 4 yours. This is 4 Euro per month. (By students I don’t just mean university students in arts or design classes, but also high school students).
It is simply a banal FACT, that CC (at the current pricing scheme) is much more expensive to students/casual users.
Personally I regard it as an insult to the intellect of an intellectual person to assert CC would be so much more cheaper (for the majority of hobby users). It simply isn’t. That’s SIMPLE BASIC MATHS 😉 (and the reason Adobe introduced CC maybe? 😉 )
You wrote “Also a student that can’t use CC products is no use to an employer in the future. They just won’t get the job.”
<- That's an example of what I mean by short term thinking.
Market forces will work on longer time scales. But the will work without mercy against Adobe if they don't rethink their pricing schemes.
If CC is too expensive for starters/school children/university students/hobby users/casual hobby users, the supporting BASE of Adobe will dry out – somtimes in the future. Of course there is massive inertia, but eventually it will happen. Happend many times before. You don't seem to be an expert in history of economics, are you? ;-|
I personally don't like the (current!) CC pricing scheme, because I LOVE Adobe products. I invested quite a lot of time in learning PS, AE, Premiere, etc… So I'm just egoistically interested that Adobe products stay at the top. Not just for now, but also in the future. (I personally don't care about the CC price at all.)
I worked with Premiere, after Effects and Premiere, but last week I start to work with new sofwares, bye, bye, Adobe
Link? Care to share? Is it better or just as good as Photoshop??
ACDsee pro6 far better than LR and elements. Better light control and RAW conversion.
No need to import or export an the other rubish. Has great photo management, very easy.
Try it.
what comes close to premiere? final cut? no way
Yes way. You should actually use Final Cut X intensively for a week and chances you will see how much more advanced it is vs Premiere.
Final Cut X $299 (not a subscription)
Motion 5 $49 (not a subscription either)
Adobe users need to take a much closer look at what Apple offers in the video production area. It’s a staggering difference in terms of price and productivity.
Yes but a lot of pro editors simple do not like the program anymore. They liked it before all the changes… before Apple tried to tell them how to edit.
Adobe have clearly got too big for their boots, pant shop pro is getting better and better and now will have a big boost in sales, hopefully this will kick Adobe fully in the ass and that they feel it.
lol. I don’t think so. You also need to take into account that CC will attract a lot of new people who could not afford PS up until now. Students like it as well as it keeps their outgoings down whilst they study compared to buying outright.
You may be right with the new people comment for the short term. However, how many of these new people will be willing to pay $50 a month to continue to subscribe CC for years in and years out? To me, Adobe’s CS customer base is either corporations/professionals or enthusiasts. This subscription model, while good for corporations, is absolutely bad for enthusiasts.
Exactly, for professionals and companies it’s nothing in their budget. For enthusiasts, it’s painfull to use such subscription.
I’ve been totally happy just using the free GIMP. I used photoshop a few years back. But started using GIMP since it cost me nothing instead of upgrading PS. Seems to have everything I need. Never felt I was missing anything. I use lightroom though. Lightroom gets the job done but to be honest I’ve never been to fond of it. A lot of things I really dislike about it’s functionality and layout. Wish there was a free alternative to it like GIMP.
There is a quite good free raw converter. It is called raw therapee and you find it here http://rawtherapee.com/
Have alook at free raw therapee http://rawtherapee.com/
I work as a graphic designer in a large company and the cloud subscription is a good deal for businesses looking to stay on top of things, although a punch in the face for small companies who can’t afford an upgrade every 3 years or so. The sad part is, in the design world at least, it’s very hard to get by without Adobe, so there is no other choice.
For the home consumer however, no matter how you look at it, adobe products are overpriced, which is why so many people pirate them.
I think having the latest version is not nessacery for most projects… I feel CS6 will be around as a standard for quite some time – I can imagine most places saying “can you back save to CS6” for quite some time, so the usefullness of having the latest version will be deminished… Also these apps have got so good that very little more is needed – The main this is to just make all the CS one huge app not many… That will be the next major and worthwhile step – untill then CS6 will probably rule!
“””For the home consumer however, no matter how you look at it, adobe products are overpriced, which is why so many people pirate them.””
So are Rolls Royces is it ok to steal them, for most people PS is vastly over the top it is amusing when you see people posting photos from a $50 p&s edited with $650 software. As with many items that are pirated part of the price is down to the losses in potential revenue that pirated software causes Adobe and others
So with that out of the way, CC will be getting a lot cheaper from now on, yes?
The difference, a car costs money to develop and produce, software costs money to develop.
Apples and oranges.
At most products, the actual production costs are minimal compared to the final selling price. They can be just a few percents of what you need to pay at a shop.
So no, piracy and theft are not that much differentthings as many pirates do think they are.
Which doesn’t change that the materials and workmanship going into production actually represent a certain value, of which you deprive the manufacturer or owner by stealing.
This is not the case for software.
That in no way justifies piracy, but it does mean that the piracy is stealing argument is simply flawed, and if you want to argue against piracy, its a bad argument to use because of it being flawed.
You are talking to photographers, many of which wouldn’t like their images to be used without their consent, and for that exact same reason should respect the copyright of others on software.
2 words: pirate bay
A good time for software developers to create a Photoshop alternative with good crossgrade deal… There’s a high demand for that for sure!
There was xRES/PhotoStyler and Live Picture, as well as junk like Corel PhotoPaint and nothing has done well.
I recently thought about upgrading to Photoshop CS6 before they removed physical copies, and I couldn’t get the web store to cooperate, but I thought about it after Adobe tried to help me, and I told them that I really didn’t use their software (because Phase One Capture One does 99.9% of what I need now).
It’s a model that a lot of companies like, because it reduces IT and support costs. Easier to add or subtract seats as need be, and you don’t have to keep up with the latest versions.
On the flip side, consumers don’t like it as much because if you’re not someone who updates every year it ends up being more expensive.
There is nothing much to say for a longterm customer of adobe like me, except:
1.) Bye-Bye Adobe
2.) Hopefully a lot of former customers will folllow to do so and teach an arrogant company the first rule of capitalism: Listen to the customer, stupid!
And to all other companies providing digital imaging software: This is your chance. Use it!
This looks like a great deal for new users, at least in my opinion. Instead of having to come up with $600 cash or put it on a credit card and pay interest they get started for 20 bucks. Depending on what assumptions/guesses you make about upgrades they are ahead for around 3 to 5 years, maybe much longer. And who knows what we’ll be using 5 years from now. By then Adobe may have gone the way of Kodak. I suspect Adobe will attract more than enough new users to replace the people who switch.
For those of us who already bought it is a price increase, especially for those of us who have not been buying every upgrade, but still not a bad price for regular users. It’s about the same as I pay for Netflix, which I use a lot less.
Many of those who use Photoshop less often can work with Elements or Lightroom – or even free software. The few who really need Photoshop features but don’t use them very often are the ones who take a real hit. Maybe Adobe will come up with something to help them out.
How to keep revenue stream when product is stagnant? Subscription model – this way adobe can continue to get revenue even though there really are no new features.
I’m not going to rent Photoshop. I’m already exploring other options if Lightroom ever goes rental.
And if you cancel the contract then you can’t even use older versions of PS… Very good idea, Adobe.
ACDSee pro6 for raw and general adjustment (can use Topaz, Nik and others as external apps from the view window) Corel x5 for layers.
Got rid of the adobe greed chain.
Management just as I like it as well.
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I think Adobe is making a mistake. They should offer both cloud and non-cloud versions, and let the users decide whether to lease or buy. I personally don’t like subscription-based software. It forces me to have to pay the monthly fee in perpetuity. Someday, if I decide to not subscribe anymore, I won’t be able to open the files that I previously saved. That’s not a good arrangement for me. Right now, I own the CS6 Master Collection, and I paid good money for it, too. If Adobe doesn’t change its policy, CS6 will be the last version for me. Even if I never receive another update again, at least I still have what I have, forever.
You won’t have it forever. You will be able to use it until your OS cannot run it anymore.
Reading the comments on many blogs one would think that Adobe is doomed by their decision to go with Creative Cloud.
However, as a little perspective, this news:
Adobe Systems Inc, which makes the Photoshop and Acrobat software, reported a higher-than-expected adjusted quarterly profit as demand rose for the subscription-based version of its flagship software package.
Adobe seems to have made the right decision with CC, in spite of the internet criticism. This shows that one cannot always go by internet chatter and buzz.
Exactly. The negative internet chatter only represents a very tiny part of their user base. Take out of that the ones that don’t even use it or have always had pirated copies and the numbers become smaller. Then take out the ones who only upgrade every three years and the numbers become even smaller again.
From my point of view this is short term thinking. It is right thinking, but non theless short term thinking.
Companies come and go. Monopolists overstretch and fall. They often fall after short term booms (sometimes an euphemism for milking customers).
It’s a TOTALLY normal circle, happened many times:
1 company binds customers
2 company milks customers
3 company loses broad customer base / competition wins ground
4 company is swept off the market (sometimes faster than thought possible…)
Again: Nothing new. Many photographers just don’t seem to know a lot about the history of economics and economic driving forces. But afer all, this seems to be just human: Short term thinking, not learning from history, making much money NOW.
BTW, I did NOT say, Adobe will be swept off the market. They just will be if they don’t massively rethink their pricing theme. CC is cool. But you have to get casual users into the boat for a small fee. Maybe pricing depending on the days per year you really used it. By doing so you get them into the boat and bind them. E.g. they will pay full CC version, when they become professional.
-> Would be a win-win-situation for Adobe/professionals/hobby users. But smaller profit right now. Adobe, it’s your turn 😉
I’ve been using PhotoShop Elements for years, I think the last time I used PhotoShop (proper) was back at version 3 maybe 4, before the CS bundling and renaming. Elements is actually very capable and has layers.
Adobe’s stance on making PhotoShop subscription only may sit well with businesses but it has completely ignored the home user (and that is one of their customers, put firmly last in this case). They have damaged their reputation.
They have stated that LR is not aimed at professionals and will not go through the subscription only model. But can we trust them?
Is there a decent alternative to PS or LR. Sure there is Aperture (for apple people only).
They have not stated Lightroom is not designed for professionals.
Have a look at ACDSee pro6. I did a trial of many programs to find a LR replacement and found ACDSee pro6. Its fast, RAW converter as good as Adobe and has fantastic light and colour handling. No need to import or export all the time and has great management. Unfortunately does not do layers but will use Topaz, Nik and other packages from the view window. Works with Wacom tablet as well.
I am done with Adobe.
Their new software is not bringing any big changes that I could not live without. I will be just fine with the software that I have now, without signing up for monthly fees with Adobe.
Sadly I think this will be a model that many companies will use , the percentage of illegal software in some locations is huge, throughout much of Asia the vast majority of software is illegal much of it riddled with malware.
A great decision in crisis times, good for Adobe, thanks for think of your costumers and behave like leeches.
I wouldn’t invest a bucket of shit for Adobe and their rip-off subscriptions. There’s plenty of cheap quality apps with Apple to put Adobe out of business for good. I was with them for 20 years but that has changed!
Put them out of business, that is funny. These cheap programs are exactly that… cheap. They don’t have anywhere near the power of PS. The bulk of Adobes business is the pro market and most don’t have an issue with CC. The amount complaining on the internet although several thousand is simple not enough to concern Adobe. Plus their 1/4 sales figures are already up due to more people signing up to CC than expected.
I’m not pro!? lol, I am a commissioned photographer with a few gigs with galleries out of Santa Fe, and 53K followers on Instagram and my opinion as a pro carries no weight!? Trust me, Photoshop is very over-rated and I could argue this with pure and simple logic.