I got this info by two trusted sources. The new GX7 will not feature an organic sensor and we can expect first camera using the new tech by end 2014 only (and probably shipment in 2015). And yes, the organic sensor tech can be combined with the Color Splitter technology from Panasonic!
This all sounds exciting but there is still a long way to go. Be happy with the old classic Bayer sensors for now 🙂
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Good. So no reason not to get the OMD-Pro so far, if this stuff is still so far off!
I hope this new sensor-tech is as good as it sounds, to keep the other companies innovating. But really, there isn’t a lot to complain about, most modern cameras are some kind of wonderful.
@DonTom
thre’s an interesting O-MD Pro rumour on Flickr’s Olympus E-system community forum…
Can you kindly link it? (I just added you on Flickr, and too lazy to search for that group 😉 )
YouDidntDidYou – can you provide a link, please ? hope it’s allowed.
http://www.flickr.com/groups/olympusesystem/discuss/72157634094896600/
Thank you! That rumor seems interesting, but still noone knows anything about next OMD (maybe Admin, but his mouth is still closed..)
I wrote about a hybrid model. But I am stillw aiting for trusted sources to confirm all the specs I got in these last few weeks. As usual I try to avoid bigger mistakes. Everything I wrote about the two new Panasonic cameras are FT5 if not FT6 or FT7 🙂
I know Admin, thanks! 🙂 the truth is that I really can’t wait to know the specs of Panasonic new camera and this new OMD. Pekka P. already wrote that these will be two different cameras, and I’m really curious and sincerly interested, since I’ll buy one of the two.
doing my best in these days. If only my baby woudl sleep more….I am really dead tired 🙁
Well, good luck with the sleeping! I appreciate all the news. Am very happy to hear the hybrid AF will be coming before long. I was ready to buy a DSLR for sports photography of my bigger kid…..but going to hold off now. I feel a debt to Olly and Panny for starting this mirrorless ball rolling, so am OK to wait a bit longer….I hate changing tools and learning new ways of working. Have used the same 3 firearms for 30 years, and my flyrod is 35 years old!
I also feel the lens designers have been treading water, waiting for the dual AF to be sorted. Expecting a flood of fast telephotos next year, a m43 version of the Zuiko 50-200/2.8-3.5 would suit me just fine.
How many people did you, ehm – slaughter, in 30 years? For each firearm? It helps to be v. familiar with your piece of steel, not to miss the aim 🙂 🙂
That rumor doesn’t make any sense. Why would Fuji collaborate with Sony and Olympus.
Any word if this new sensor tech will implement the global shutter? I recall an interview with a Panasonic rep some time ago that said the global shutter will be possible a few years down the road. This, combined with their other advances, would be amazing for video.
“This all sounds exciting but there is still a long way to go.” … Admin, it will be like next week. The time goes much faster when having kids 😉
LOL! At lest I have time to save up for the GH5 With the New sensor Tech!
Sign me up too. The GH3 is already a beast of a camera, I can only imagine what a GH5 with new sensor tech and hybrid IS would be able to do. Would be perfect for filming in nightclubs without the intrusion of auxiliary lighting.
guess the timeline fits perfectly for the GH4 or 5… GH5 GH3 GH2 GH1
Meantime GH3 and Pocket (crossing fingers on release date) will get me entertained…
aha.. no special characters allowed…
…but…but….Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me guess, the GX7 sensor will be a multi-aspect GH3 sensor.
Also, micro colour splitter + organic sensor = orgasmic sensor 😀
And since the pixel pitch for this sensor is 3 micron or smaller we can expect the m43 sensor to be 24-25 Megapixel resolution with global shutter too?
And the processing power would have to be something pretty special to handle that though! I guess it doesn’t hurt to dream, so long as it is remembered it is a dream still. 😉
Hehe nice, i hope the will combe this two tech anyway.
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This might turn up as merely a slight improvement over existing image sensors. Thom Hogan pointed out that the Aptina sensor in the first generation Nikon 1 cameras has 84dB of dynamic range according to its manufacturer. The beam splitter may add another stop or so, so overall we are looking at 1.5-2 stops more dynamic range than the GH2. The GH3 sensor is already half way there.
The more interesting advantage of the ‘organic CMOS’ may be its relaxed attitude to ray angles. We shall have to wait and see.
Do you seriously believe that 2 companys Fuji/Panasonic would combine their painstaking efforts to produce a next generation state of the Art organic sensor of 88dB dynamic range(claim it to be the industry’s best) that is only slightly better than the 84dB of Aptina 1 inch sensor. So these 2 companys are so incompetent in their measurements and industry knowledge with respect to one photoblogger?
We shall soon see won’t we?
No need to be aggressive..
Thks. A thousand apologies to Sneye for sounding aggressive after all “aggressing the market” is a Panasonic marketing term not mine. 🙂
It is not about competence, it is about marketing. The X-trans sensor was also advertised as the be-all and end-all.
So what sensor likely the GX7 feature ?
No MCS ?
Just finished reading the G6 review from cameralab ,
no significant in image quality improvement over G5 & G3 .
If this is the same thing happen to GX7 , I’ll rather attached to my GX1 & wait for this organic sensor camera or just get an OMD Pro .
May it will be MAR+GH3 sensor like @Observer that still pretty good.
i guess next week or next month admin will post more detail about GX7 sensor. 😉
Another article on the subject: http://www.extremetech.com/electronics/158209-organic-photo-sensor-dumps-silicon-promises-to-shatter-cmos-imaging-limits
Thks! This article explains it plainly as 12dB above silicon sensors giving it 2 stops advantage or 4 times the light!
So late 2014-early 2015… In compact cameras first, I bet.
But that’s good to. It would make them awesome little in camera HDR monsters! 🙂
I would think they will put their newest tech in their premium cameras first so for Panasonic it will be m43 cameras.(It may be too expensive to put it in compacts or does not make business sense to have your compacts having better image quality than your own m43s)
It should be cheaper to produce this sensor. The photodiodes are replaced with a coating that has the same function (conversion of light into electric charge).
Whatever the manufacturing costs, they still have to recoup the R&D costs initially that is why new tech is expensive.
That’s not too bad. That should be about when I’m ready to buy a new body, even with the next E-M and the next Panasonic sensor. Maybe I should plan a birthday bash for 2015 to go with the camera. 🙂
That is a long wait. Competitors won’t be standing still.
As long as the GX7 doesn’t have the GH2 sensor, it’s fine. I wonder if Pana is abandoning conventional sensor development until the organic stuff is ready, i.e. only use what they have already (GH2 sensor in G6 and GF6) or buy from others (Sony in GH3). Looks a lot like it.
Mostly I am afraid when good tech trickles down to slowly. Keeping you hungry for the next years upgrafe.
Manufacturers love that however, hence you need a different approach to their products.
– if you don’t own a camera yet, waiting for the next model because maybe it has some feature also means you won’t be taking pictures in the meantime
– only upgrade your current camera when it either becomes unreliable due to old age, or when it puts serious limitations on your photography.
As soon as you have a decent camera, using it more will almost always do more for improving your photography then upgrading your camera every time a new nice to have feature appears , put your money in useful lenses instead if you suffer from gas.
Very nice! Doctor cure thyself!
I am following the same advice, though 🙂
Not sure what the excitement is about.
Thom Hogan demonstrated that the organic sensors will not be 2x as good as D800. Indeed, the new sensors are unlikely to even match the Sony sensors in DR.
Is this the silly season?
You mean thom hogan the biggest nikon fan in the universe? Yeah thats a good source…
That’s a laugh. Thom has been flaming Nikon for many moons.
Anyway, the facts speak for themselves.
he is a better sorce than the many olympus fanboys who have destroyed this site
GH4K…YES NEW SENSOR
just save now for 41.5/1.2 and 150/2.8 pana until waiting for new body with the new sensor 😉
Now that we’ve got the diagrams, we can just make our own sensors. Can someone write up an Instructable for this? Just need to find a ruler with microns…
Having the improvements on both sensitivity and DR, this might be enough to introduce a global shutter sensor, isn’t it? This can be very interesting for a GH5 camera but I think that Fuji will probably develop their sensor without that since they don’t have such interest in global shutter. I really hope they can deliver it. A in-house custom sensor will be huge for Panasonic’s video. Nobory is talking but I wonder how this can be applied for cameras like the X20 or the LX7 family.
imagine this on a full frame camera =0… i know it will never happen… canon and nikon really have to wake up now
the best FF sensor is just as far ahead of mFT as always I like my mFT gear for what it is namely n excellent lightweight set up for situations when absoloute image quality is not my priority. When mFT can do what my year old D800e can do, I will ditch FF until then two systems work very well. The Nikon already has 14.3 stops Dr 2 stops better than the E-m5 along with nearly 3 stops better colour depth, we hear about ll these wonder sensors every so often none of which deliver in the end. I had high hopes for foveon but other than at base ISO where it does well, it sucks in every other way with possibly the worst performing cameras on the market.
>”When mFT can do what my year old D800e can do,”
actually it does better already
all you are basing this on is base ISO assessments
if you had to go up in the ISO range it would look different
if you had to shoot at the same dof at higher ISO, D800 would lose by a stop
for D800 is both noisier and has less DR in that situation
Somewhere Henri Cartier bresson is giggling his decomposing butt off at these pointless comments dissecting these rumored specifications.For There are no specs for capturing a brides eyes lighting up at the touch of her new spouse. Nor any other moment that “makes” a great photograph. Pixels and dynamic range alone certainly do not.
’nuff said. I know specmanship is a “sport” unto itself; its just not “photography”….