The current GX1 sells out for $239 only at Adorama (Click here)
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Trusted sources confirmed that the new GX1 successor will be announced in late August! It will be the only Panasonic MFT camera announced this autumn. I have been told it will be a high quality, very new designed camera. And one source expressively said…”43rumors people will like it for sure“.
I will leave ant speculation about what it will be to you. I am trying to convice the sources to spill out the specs… 🙂
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I truly hope for the RF dreamers it will be their ultimate wet dream come true.
The RF style a’la L1 Dslr,.is welcome,.wish this comes up two years ago,.we’ll see
Without IBIS and working tracking, it is not going to generate too much excitement even with a EVF in the corner.
IBIS and tracking would be nice but I think its not needed by everyone.
Could anyone explain the difference of the Panasonic models – G GF GX GH – cant seem to catch the logic…
Your order is wrong. Could lead to the confusion.
Order should be GF (low end consumer camera, missing lots of stuff but compact), GX (High end compact camera). That ends the compact segment GF and GX. The SLR like segment is filled with the G and GH. Similarly the G is missing all the bells and whistles but is cheap. Whereas the GH has it all and is expensive.
This I think is obvious and Panasonic has it the most well defined. What might confuse people is that all start with G. Might have been better for the compact series GF and GX to have a different letter than the SLR like bodies with G and GH.
yo cindy, u wiggn out man
I prefer the add on viewfinder as having it tilt is really useful. I concede I may be in the minority here though. 🙂
i like all designs, each having their charming qualities. When GX goes BIEVF, alot of negative energy will be turned into hallelujahs.
It will most likely have that integrated tilting evf from that patent we saw a while back.
Just to add, you don’t need an ‘add on EVF’ to achieve tilting behaviour.
For example, there have been optical anglefinders available for years for Canon and Minolta cameras which attach to the viewfinder to enable an angle adjustment.
i.e. “I want a tilting viewfinder” is not a reason to exclude an EVF from being built into the camera body.
”43rumors people will like it for sure“.
+1 🙂
Don’t count your dickens on this.
The nicest RF with a built-in EVF will be slammed by 43rumours pple for:
1)Too big
2)Too expensive
3)Not weather sealed
4)No IBIS
5)No Olympus label on it
6)Feel/look like consumer electronic product not like a camera… so say a “world famous” reviewer
there will be always people complaining 🙂
+10000
Number 4 and 5 will prevent it feom being liked over here.
Say the mantra you turds: no ibis no buy!
If this camera is what it is, the Majority of posters here will spit hot flame hate on it.
Two of the major reasons will be “NO IBIS” and “NO SONY SENSOR”.
I mean, let’s be honest, I can’t even count how many times I read “No IBIS, no Buy!” Here at FTR. If its a Panasonic product, expect the Olyfanboys to make the post Negative and downplay said product.
LOL ”hot flame hate” eh? I remember a time when someone preferring a different camera from you was just considered regular “hate”, and I thought that was the ultimate expression of over-sensitivity. I guess the situation s getting worse…
Yes those hot flames are much worse than the not so hot flames or even just flames.
Come on everyone, true homer likes panasonic so that means everyone has to like panasonic. As you can see, his one opinion equals 10000 of your opinions.
example of said hate right here
I think it unfair to say “No Olympus label on it”, the way you have. I don’t use Panasonic cameras though do have a Pana lens (14mm), my reasons for this are simple, no IBIS and no interest in Pana’s ‘Ace’ which is the Video capability, so yes for my use the Olympus wins hands down, I do not knock Panasonic for this, just they don’t meet with my needs. So please don’t take that attitude, I appreciate there are those who are dyed in the wool Olympus users as are there Panasonic users, it is just a shame that this site has become too much of a slanging match between the both sides, whereas we should all be praising the 4/3 and u4/3 systems, what I want is that end of the rainbow full compatibility with 4/3 lenses.
But why are you attempting to reason with someone who refers to others as turds?
Finally a reasonable post. There is a small group of posters here who take it as a personal attack if someone doesnt like the same product as them. They would rather believe that their fellow photographers are brainwashed than to admit that, maybe, different people like different things.
If Olympus and Panasonic both sold the identical camera and people preferred one over the other,then yes, that would probably be due to fanboyism. But these two companies have taken very different approaches to photography/videography and each have different strengths, so OF COURSE people will prefer one over the other.
To those who try and start a pity-party every time Admin posts a new thread: Just as you prefer Panasonic and feel you have good reasons for it, try to imagine that someone else might prefer Olympus and feel they have good reasons for it. In other words, if you can have a preference, why do you constantly try to put down others’ preferences?
But please, don’t play coy. We all know the bias is coming from the Olyfanboy’s camp.
Look at any Panasonic post here. Oly hate. I can pull up 2 recent ones where YUN blast the Panasonic post with comments that have nothing to do with said post!
We all enjoy MFT and know both Oly/Panny lines/models, so of course it’s STUPID and Idiotic when someone brings up IBIS, when We all know Panasonic follows a different Stablization!
Someone like True Homer is just defending Counteracting the hate from a Olympus Fanboy. JUST LOOK AT THE POSTS! The proof is right there!!
As soon as Admin puts up a Panasonic post, it gets attacked. Don’t act dumb.
now you wanna downplay it like “we like different things and are very respectful”. Its bullshit, personal preference is one thing, what goes on here is bashing bashing and more bashing. But it depends of course, if its towards olympus its blind panny fanboyism but if its towards panny then its personal preference. People go so far as to not believe I have an OMD because, of course, its not possible to have an OMD and not think its the most fantastic camera in the universe
Personal preference? the fact is that if you dont perform regular felatio on olympu’s name here youll be bashed to death.
And anonymous; if you talk like a oly fanturd and then hide behind “anonymous”, ill call you an oly fanturd. Simple
I would say … most demanded feature on 43rumours regardeless if Pana/Oly is… inbuilt leftcorner evf
Add on VF sucks. It falls off. Its big and lumpy. Only pro is the tiltability.
“4/3rumors people will like it” can only mean “RF”- Style camera. It makes sense…with the P&S market gone to cell phones….”Real” cameras with high image quality will be the only market left….hopefully, Panasonic will take another (GH3) step more in that direction with the GX2.
They need to deliver a versatile high-powered compact to compliment the GH3, and to establish a firm voice in the changed marketplace!
+1 just waiting for my 35mm rolleirf replacement
Without build in VF , it still cannot be consider ultimate RF camera . The most important part is the sensor inside it . I hope Pana can throw everything inside it to make this GX1 successor truely a desire camera for RF lover like me .
Without a rangefinder part (the focusing mechanism) it will never be a rangefinder. So what’s the big deal? I doubt that people really want an rangefinder in these AF times. And I doubt Panasonic or Olympus would make 1.
“It will be the only new MFT camera to be announced in autumn.”
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This contradicts rumors that Olympus will announce a new OM-D.
Lets hope the new OMD will be announced earlier then.
Oly will be at the end of the year, apparently…… 🙂
I think that should read: “only PANASONIC MFT camera announced this autumn”.
No new OMD?
…. but … but……. ISO-100, Peaking, PDAF, viewfinder, timelapse…..
the camera, MAR sensor.
Let’s hope this will truly be the spiritual successor to the L1, a camera that was ahead of its time and now a classic
Is this GX2 is the one that previous post called entire new design camera from Pana ?
Seeing the price drop so badly for GX1 , really need something very very special to make me buy in this new GX2 . What about a full stop improvement over it’s predecessor ?
I am sure I read from an E-m5 hyper that it is many stops better than the previous gen lol
I am sure I read from an E-m5 hyper that it is many stops better than the previous gen lol
Not interested.
Thanks for your worthless input.
The most important for new GX1 will be:
– in-build EVF
– better sensor (much better, with IQ at the level of sensors from competition – Fuji APS, Sony APS, Sigma Foevon APS, Canon mirrorless, Samsung NX)
– more pancake lenses (faster then primes from Sigma)
Most likely will have the GH3/OMD sensor…..
OK, but competition is running… Therefore IQ from OM-D can be too weak in 2014 (August 2013 announcement, December 2013 in shops). Fuji has NOW better sensor then OM-D (but AF worse).
I am in the same head as you…although I have two MFT bodies and 10 MFT lenses…when the Fuji EX2 is released it may be time to re-evaluate my micro system which I use to complement a full-frame system…when Fuji gets the AF situation straightened out …their system will be compelling..especially now that there are many more lenses and more on the way!
Ditto. On the whole I am happy with my E-PL1, but of course better: AF speed, resolution, manual controls, DR, IQ, high ISO etc would be nice to have!
What I am waiting for though is a good application of dual AF, because the main problem with my current camera is that it is very poor at handling my kids sports. Portraits, landscapes, macro: I’m OK with it. I also want a built in EVF, am tired of the steam-punk VF-2 (although I would keep it for tilting purposes if I stay with Olly).
I have the feeling that Fuji will beat Olympus to the punch on the dual AF, and they already have far superior kit lenses. Another year to wait I suspect!
yes…but MFT still has from fisheye to 600mm (equivalent) with AF…Fuji can’t touch that..I have a fisheye..but don’t got that far into the tele with my MFT…so …if I picked up a fast-focusing Fuji..I think there is a Sam Yang MF out there at the wide end, which would be fine.
Latest rumor is the next OM-D gets phase detect. No such rumors for Fuji. That said, if Fuji goes head-to-head with Olympus and overcomes their AF issues and adds phase detect, I may have to reconsider staying in the m43 stable.
“- better sensor (much better, with IQ at the level of sensors from competition – Fuji APS, Sony APS, Sigma Foevon APS, Canon mirrorless, Samsung NX)”
Panasonic m43 sensors are already as good or better as Canon and Samsung APS-C and Sony SLT-hampered sensor in their A-mount cameras. Sigmas are just terrible at high ISO, not even close. What is left, Fuji and Sony? Nobody knows for sure how good those new fuji sensors are, but colors are bleeding into each other for sure.
It would be odd for this camera to be the vehicle for a new sensor so I am expecting it to be the same sensor as in the GH3 (maybe with updated processing engine).
Other nice-to-have would be
– built-in EVF (not just a rangefinder type lens)
– IBIS: I want to use my legacy Leica lenses, OK? you don’t have to use it if you don’t want to so just shut up FGS.
– how about the option for an additional handgrip? I love the compactness of the GX1 but sometimes I would like a bit more bulk to grab hold of for extended periods. Again it is more about options.
– Focus peaking for macro work
I am not expecting treat things for focus tracking so not particularly bothered about PDAF vs CDAF.
How about a EM-5 then?
…….smirk!
The E-M5 has truly terrible ergonomics , no fully articulated LCD, mediocre video plus it is downright hideous
Yes, the ergonomics are really bad on the OMD, mostly because of the size – tis too small : = Apart from that its a wonder : )
It really handles just fine with the grip sans battery compartment. I think it is quite sharp..no hideous at all…fun to use, fun to look at!!! 🙂
The GX1 has the best Handgrip for a non DSLR body in MFT. Name me one camera that has a better grip?
And IBIS or lack thereof comment proves True Homers post.
omd with battery grip
Yeah… How much is it?
I rest my case.. A camera with lousy ergonomics, that you have to PAY FOR in order to have a decent grip.
but it does exist. omd with battery grip is has a better grip. regardless of price and better sensor and 5 axis. jus sayin.
Sounds like I better start thinking how I’m going to explain this to the wife.
+1. Just bought a new and cheap E-P3. No new camera for me the next 2 years. My wife doesn’t (want to) understand all this new camera stuff.
Im glad you shared this info with us all. It elevated the debate.
@Mark and @BdV
Let your wives have a play with your micro four thirds camera then they might come around 🙂
This can be harder than designing a new cam 😉
the gx1 still cost over 400 euro in germany.
that is close to 500$ if im not wrong….
you can get it in the UK for around €320
Yeah, it’s a joke, and I have no idea how they want to sell it for these high prices. But then again, you still see G3’s for 400 € in the big shops.
I hope there is no built in VF …don’t use em’ don’t want em’.
So….don’t buy’em?! 🙂
Sounds like the camera on your phone would be perfect for you, gramdma!
No VF is like driving a car without a steering wheel…
So in a market saturated with MFT cameras that don’t have an EVF, you think what’s needed, what people are crying out for, is another camera without an EVF? I hope Panasonic are releasing a rangefinder style (or at least non-dslr style) camera with a built in EVF, not just because I want one, but so that there is market choice!
I would like it if the initial launch price is close to what it would be after 6-8 months. I would also like it more if it would take cheap, generic batteries.
If those two do not pan out, I would not like it and will not buy it.
Remember the Pana guys claiming how great the GX1 was and a “high end” model and such nonsense?
The current price is the correct price (although, the current price of the EOS-M with a 22mm lens will sweep it off the ground, still). Should have been this was at launch.
On the Pana website, the GX1 at one point actually had the label “Premium”. Or was it “Luxury”? Pana damn well knew the GX1 was only a very feeble attempt to keep some GF1 era users in the system, and buy some time before they make a real attempt at a GF1 successor. And marketing had a hard time to sell the concept of the GX1. That’s why prices are dropping like crazy.
The OM-D is what happened. The GX1, marketed toward enthusiasts/prosumers (people who read m43, for example), was thoroughly outdated and outclassed months after it was released. The GX1’s market segment was well aware of this. Then Olympus piled on and released the E-PL5 with the OM-D’s sensor and IBIS at the GX1’s original price point.
I hope it’s weather sealed and I would prefer a built in VF rather than an add on. But it now will have to compete against an OMD that is dropping in price
Good news. It’s about time Panasonic got it right. All their recent cameras are over-conservative and fail to compete at their initial price points (except for GH3, which doesn’t really count as mirrorless).
It’s not that G5/6 and GF6 are bad. They are all decent, useful tools. However, they lack character. They were designed to be confused with entry-level DSLRs and compact cameras, respectively. Panasonic doesn’t understand that these days a camera of this level is more than a computer with user interface. It’s also a means for self expression and yes, a fashion statement. Fuji knows this. Olympus seems to understand this. Even Sony is aware of this and has been trying to follow a distinctive design. I hope that the GX1 successor is an uber machine that packs the latest technology available from Panasonic, but I also hope it introduces an appealing, recognizable external design. After all, they used to make beautiful cameras. All they need to do is dig up the drawings of the L1 and follow closely.
Well, I do believe that Panny has definitely understood where fashion presently stays : they reportedly told it and this “rumor” appears as a clear confirmation.
However, fashion is not everything and it will be a tough challenge to keep a good mix among it’s established strngths :
– sturdy looking
– nice ergonomy
– innovative glass
and its usual weaknesses :
– jpeg engine
– launch price
Wish you the best
– jpeg engine
– launch price
Yes much better with Olympus £1150 for an E-p5 + EVF bargain lol
@sneye
” (except for GH3, which doesn’t really count as mirrorless).”
Well firstly I would be grateful if you could point me to a weather sealed DSLR , with superb video, fully articulated LCD , with excellent ergonomics , for those of us who do not have tiny hands smaller than the GH3 . The GH3 body weighs around a third less than even the lightest DSLR with weather sealing , and when combined with the native mFT lenses the overall size is much smaller than even the smallest fully featured DSLR. The Pen style models have just about the worst ergonomics around hence the profusion of grips and so on.The problem with this forum is that there are an unfortunate number of Olympus fanboys doing their best to poison the Panasonic offerings.
The whining about IBIS is a classic example of this the 99% of worldwide pro photographers who do not use cameras with any IBiS manage just fine. IBIS is by far and away the most exaggerated tool in photography it’s uses ( yes it has some) are so narrow that the demand for it in every camera is comical. It serves zero effect for moving targets , it serves no purpose above the reciprocal of the focal length,it serves no purpose if you use a tripod,a beanbag a gorilla pod etc,.Whatever the Olympus fanboys say you are basically left with its only really beneficial use being in low light static subjects . You can also exclude the lens range covered by OIS which in our system is from 12mm (24mm equiv) to 300mm(600mm equiv) including macro lens and soon a fast portrait lens and long tele ( the 42.5 F1.2 and the 150mm F2.8 )
This is the list of PAnasonic mFT gear that is either the best in the system or as good as OLympus, the G6 no olympus options at this price point with built in evf , the GH3 , best video , best ergonomics and shares the same best mFT image quality, 7-14mm 12-35mm 35-100mm, 100-300mm, 25mm 45mm macro. Even at the lower end the likes of the 14-45 ,20mm are better than the Olympus options. Even the new 14-140 super zoom looks better than the Olympus offering.
As a mainly Panasonic user I can get the best image quality we have in the system GH3 ,best video, best ergonomics, I can have Panasonic zooms that covers from 7-300mm ( 14-600) which are the best zooms available, I can have a choice of fast standard in the 25mm or even the 20mm which ate the best standard lenses in the systems . The Olympus mFT offerings have exactly two items that are the best in the system the lovely 75mm and the 60mm ( which isn’t notably better than the 45mm macro)
As a photographer with a GH3 +G6 , 7-14 , 12-35,35-100, 100-300 ,25mm 45mm 75mm tell me what exactly I am missing out on given that I consider IBIS of limited use . The 12mm and 17mm are not exactly stellar , the 45mm F1.8 is a great buy for the price but shoddy build quality, the 60mm is very good but not much better than the 45mm , the 75mm is a gem but honestly there is nothing else from Olympus that attracts me.
You forgot the OMD-EM5: best picture quality in a weather sealed small camera with EVF. G6 = lesser sensor. GH3 = bigger camera.
You did not address my main gripe about Panasonic, which is the aesthetics and character of their cameras.
I agree. They do make excellent machines. Nevertheless, they fail to sell them at announcement prices. I do not attribute this to the lack of IBIS or any other technicality, but to their uninspiring design. Although I currently use an Olympus body (with mainly Panasonic lenses), nothing will prevent me from replacing it with a Panasonic if I happen to like it better. It’s the same system after all.
People praise the design of the L-1, but the GX1 was kind of modeled after it. The oversized grip, the same shape, minus the VF. I like that Panasonic stays away from the retro look. it’s a nice balance between them and Olympus.
If this new camera is the new L-1, with a size between that and the GX1, I’ll pay for it in full as soon as amazon or B&H posts it.
Then hopefully you’ll shut up and start taking pics..
Another example of your “respectful disagreeing”
You had me reading til I got to your idiotic anti IBIS rant. You OBVIOUSLY have NO clue what you’re talking about.
You still around? Rude loudmouth trailer trash
Interesting how you just described yourself.
+1K!!!!
the IBIS hype needs to die a quick death. And honestly, with the way Panasonic is going with in lens stabilization, WHY bother cry about IBIS? It’s not happening!
STICK with your Olympus cameras and stop ranting about how there’s no IBIS in Panasonic cameras. Get over it.
It’s pathetic to read post on “No IBIS”, when the MAJORITY of Posters here KNOW Panasonic’s strategy on stabilization! -Honestly, why even bother?
I know why, because it’s a Panasonic camera and not Olympus.
Your comment had no IBIS.
Who you yellin at stupid?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I disagree with your major premise – I think Panasonic cameras are well designed. I do agree that design is important.
Priorities should be:
– better IQ
– IBIS
– fix the shutter induced blurriness issue
I doubt it will be true. It will be RF with GH3 sensor and G6 processor in metalic-rubber body, nothing else. Boom, premium price.
Maybe theyll add a 1\8000 shutter and sell it for 1000$+…wait, who are we talking about?
Pany will NEVER incorporate IBIB.
They already do: see the ZS30 hybrid OIS. It features 5 axis stabilization, and normal optical OIS can only effectively compensate for 2.
Whether or not this makes it to m43 is another question. It may not be possible to do with existing OIS lenses and may not work (even partially) with unstabilized lenses. If both of those are true then we probably won’t be seeing it. Otherwise, I expect they’ll try to get it in m43 as soon as possible… Olympus’s 5 axis stabilization looms large in m43 and I expect that Panasonic will very much want to compete with that.
It is as you say, “HYBRID OIS”, it’s their own patent.
Will it make it? We’ll soon find out…
Forgot the link: http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/compact/zs30_tz40/video.html
Hybrid OIS looks to me something like stabilization in post-processing. It simply takes extra space of footage to fake stabilization. It’s clearly demonstrated by the Level Shot Function. Am I close to my theory?
Or I’m totally wrong and it’s this: http://www.43rumors.com/surprise-panasonic-patent-discloses-a-new-in-body-stabilization-system-and-a-rangefinder-styled-camera-too/
GL1 camera with IBIS. I still can’t believe it anyway.
If it’s RF style with VF the next thing I’ll look at is the base ISO and if it’s 200 or even 160 the Nex 6 will probably get my money.
1/8000 sec and IBIS I simply don’t believe and an articulated screen is somehow deemed impossible for RF style.
Warmed over Panny sensor rather than leading edge is probable too.
PS. Actually, if Panasonic make a RF style with VF it might be worth waiting to see if Olympus will make one too… with IBIS.
Will wait for GX1 “successor” to sell for $199. Probably by end 2014. No rush. Pays to be patient. This will offset the cost of my lens purchase.
My money is going to lenses this year. Panasonic’s 42 1.2 will be the icing on the cake.
it is the exact same situation with Olympus mFT gear the price of nearly all of it crashes and burns soon enough.
Awesome! GX1 now sells for $199! That bodes well for its sucessor too. So I can pick one up for cheap as chips in 2015 while I spend my money on lenses. Good work, Panasonic! Let the early adopters take the hit while us plebs get the end of model bargains.
GH2 sensor !!!!! CAN’T WAIT !!!
LOL +1 pana sucks!
Heres another example of that respectfullness you and fish were talking about earlier. ..right?
My worry knowing what Panasonic’s record is like is that we will get some really good functionality including an EVF but that they will cut corners and compromise on image quality by giving us the GH2 sensor instead of the one from the GH3. What I want is better DR instead of endless tweaking of high ISO performance. It is the size and cost of the GH3 that prevents me from buying one (if I wanted a large camera with high image quality for stills photography I would buy a DSLR at half the price!). Am I the only one?
I would also like a tilt or twist screen for close up work but I don’t hold out any hope. I would really like another Panasonic (I have a GF1) as they get a lot right but the E-PL5 is starting to look attractive…..
You also don’t own a GH2, so stop trashing its sensor. I have the GH2 and EM5, and I get great IQ out of both of them. But, that’s just me. BTW, check out the used prices on the GH2 – it has gone back up In price as it is in great demand.
Something like the L1 with EVF, GH3 sensor, premium built-quality and that’s about it.
It won’t have IBIS, Panasonic uses OIS and I don’t think it will have a new sensor but it’s possible, I don’t know what kind of deal they had with Sony for the GH3 sensor, it they have to keep using it to be worthy or not.
I think that some people are read that they will like it and they are going a little bit too much over the board reading “it’s the camera of your dreams”.
if Panasonic comes out with a RF-style model, this can only be good. It will push Olympus to release one as well. Win-win for mFT system users all round ..
Vaporware…
THIS PANASONIC WILL HAVE IBIS. Without this Panasonic will loss more and more MFT users to Olympus and it is also in Olympus interest to have a strong partner to take MFT into the future
NO IT WON’T.
Maybe THAT is what will be new…IBIS…not the rangefinder style viewfinder!!!! hmmmmmm……..
Keep dreaming about IBIS 🙂 It will never happen.
I’m about to pick up a Second GX1 and give the older one to my Son… Then I’m picking up the G6 and “IF” the GX2 is the return of the L-1, then I’m going to sell the G6 and pick that up, HYBRID OIS or not.
So I have no ideal on what you’re talking about.
All these cameras and you’re still here?! Go out with your son and use them! Lol
No IBIS, true. But Hybrid OIS, yes 🙂
The new Flickr relaunched today looks nice 🙂
…and Picasa Web Album keeps dying, what a shame 🙁
flickr? Sorry, photography is not about photos, it’s about gear, features and specs. At least that’s the impression you get on this site sometimes. 😉
Its about ibis if you spend enough time here…
ha ha ha +1000 and you forgot the dof ha ha ha
indeed it does 🙂
My bet. Camera will launch with new flash and a new line of lenses aimed at street photography
So far, so good. Lets hear a bit more about it.
Hurra! But let’s see what we will get.. It wouldn’t be the first time in this forum we were terribly disappointed by “rumors”..
Considering Panasonic recently presented LF1, the first modern, small compact camera with a built-in EVF I think it is a fair chance GX2 will have a rangefinder-style EVF.
For those that prefer the external, tilting EVF Panasonic can still put a port under the hotshoe.
There won’t be IBIS in the GX2 because it is a Panasonic. Fine.
Still, as a Panasonic user, I feel that I can move to an Olympus body any time I want, and loose close to nothing in performance from my lenses (appart from in body CA correction). On the other hand, if I were an Olympus user with plenty of non stabilised zooms, I couldn’t move to Panasonic without loosing much functionality.
So yes, IBIS may be overrated, OIS a worthy alternative, etc. But it is still a liability for Panasonic in its competition with its fellow m43 partner Olympus. Panasonic users can move easily to an olympus body, but not always the other way around.
Nonsense, I have tons of non is primes on my dslrs and they work just fine. There are hundreds of non iS primes on dslr land. But be careful! Bart might post a link to the ultra rare 30 primes with IS in existence!
We will like it huh? Ok, judgeing by so many complaining new Olympus lack EVF, I am betting my race horse ticket on EVF. And very unlikely is for the first time in Panasonic IBIS! Nah.
So … if it has an EVF, what can Pana do to distinguish it from the G6 and the GH3?
Let’s assume it will be marketed as the ultimate travel or street photography camera, not a premium gimmick. So weather-sealing could be in, but atriculated screen out. Maybe tilt though. Sensor must be GH3 equivalent or better, otherwise you could buy the G6; nobody buys for size only. Hopefully Pana doesn’t cut the video capabilities too heavily. The GH3 will offer better ergonomics and ports anyway, and the GX2 could be great backup for videographers.
Honestly, I don’t see any huge new features on the horizon. Tiltable built-in vf sounds nice, but takes up too much space. Pana’s new sensor tech is probably not ready yet.
I’ll just wait til August and then buy an EM-5 anyway. :p
Pana will build in the EVF in the left corner (RF-style) to distinguish it from G6/GH3. The GF6 will be the only Pana mFT without built-in EVF in future. I like to have the choice between 3 different camera types with EVF.
Unfortunately Olympus offers no cam besides the OM-D and I don´t like its 70s retro style.
My bet :
– Swivel screen, but swivel on the bottom, not on the side (continuous technolgy, adapted to street photo)
– GX2 sensor in order to keep affordable price and avoid GH3 cannibalisation
– No IBIS (of course)
– Still oriented (Panny likes segmentation)
– EVF in the left corner but… Will they be smart enough to make it non protruding in the back and as nice as on the G ?
EVF , i agree with high percent,
because lx7 replace by LF1 with VF and External EVF was discontinued ,
if new GX is not integrate EVF where new External EVF??????
Oly still release new VF and sell for old pen but Pany ,i think they dropped.
A good way to predict this camera’s features would be by looking at its price point. The primary competitor of the “GX2” within m4/3 is the E-P5 (form and size come before the nature of EVF). Thus, the GX2 should be positioned at about $1000: higher than GX1 (the built-in finder would justify it) and lower than GH3. This price is also logical from the viewpoint of cross-system competition (lower than NEX 7 and E-X1, higher than NEX 6).
At $1000 the GX2 will have to feature the GH3 sensor (no better than that, even if a new sensor is ready) and an all-metal construction (though no weather sealing). A tilting screen is possible too (to compete with Sony’s offerings). Any other innovative features will be a bonus at this price (they would be reserved to the GH3 successor). So what we get is a pretty competitive package: better than E-P5 due to EVF, better than NEX 6 due to build quality, cheaper than the very similar NEX 7 and better performing than the quirky E-X1.
There is one camera missing from this comparison which is the Olympus E-M5, and indeed those two will be comparable in features, performance and price. The most obvious difference between them will be the position of the viewfinder. All the rest cancels out: built-in flash VS IBIS, menu and interface VS weather sealing, video VS jpeg engine etc.
If Panasonic makes a camera that competes well with the EM5-EM6, with internal EV, maybe IBIS, and a sensor as good as the EM5/GH3, there are some people here who will say that they don’t care what it is they are buying an EM5 in August anyway.
There will be others for whom the EM5 was never the right camera, without the right feel in the hand and ergonomics or too many protrusions for portability, or menu system or whatever, for whom an EM5-6 rival is what they have been waiting for.
I would put myself with this latter group. But we don’t know enough yet.
For better or worse, OlyFanboys should only HOPE this camera ticks all the boxes.. That’ll only drive the price of the EM5 down to where they can afford it. It’s not like they were EVER going to buy this Panasonic camera anyway, IBIS, Sony sensor or not.
So in the end, Panasonic might be doing them a favor.
I’m hoping that the gx2 has three things:
Built in evf
Exposure comp dial
No chrome
Oh wait that’s a fuji xe1.
Chances are it’ll retain the same form factor and in order to out do Olympus it’ll have an external evf equal to one third the size of the gx2 body. And pics will still be too noisy to use at iso 800.
Give us an built EVF and some improvment (same sensor like GH3/OMD). Just keep same button (why not one more FN button).
THAT’S ALL! don’t care about FP, wifi, NFC, etc…
A lot of people seem to like Olympus instead of Panasonic, just because Olympus has made cameras longer, but the current digital and old film cameras are completely different companies, as in innovative in the film days and organized crime in the digital days. About the only thing, other than the name, they have in common, is the Gawd Damn strap lugs are still in the way. Panasonic makes a much better digital photographic product these days, which also has better video.
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THIS.
Most people buy cameras for stills and don’t care about video. Panasonic cameras are designed by people over the age of 80 for people over the age of 80. But it’s a Panasonic. Expect heavy discounting after a few months. Good backup cameras on the cheap.
Don’t knock people over 80!
Another “respectful disagreeing comment” by you. And does it really make more sense to you that 80 year old people preffer a camera that does both stills and video great or does it makes more sense that they would buy a camera that does only great stills AND looks like the camera they had 40 years ago?
Uncanny common sense…
What will interest me is the sensor and if there is built in EVF. The Olympus EP5 has me as I actually do think it has all I would need. The add on EVF can be a plus as will decrease size when removed and can be added when needed. But I would prefer the EVF to be built in and small.
The Sensor question I think will be most interesting. The GF6 now has the GX1 sensor, so this is most likely the lowest level on used. The G6 now has the old but really good Gh2 sensor. The GH3 has most likely the same sensor as in the OMD (sony). Now where will the GX2 lie, I think it might either have the old GH2 sensor (most likely) hopefully with Perspective allowed. Or it will have the GH3 sensor (unlikely as I think this will be used to separate the lines). I think The GH3 will keep with the best sensor and GX2 will have the GH2 sensor as the G6 does but Hopefully with the perspective function enable. This would increase my interest as I think this is a great feature that should have been included with the G6, but because it wasn’t I think the sensor and this feature will be included with the GX2.
Panasonic is really going to drop the ball on this if they use the GH2 sensor (which will be 3+ years old by the time the GX2 is released). Panasonic is already at a competitive disadvantage against Olympus in the RF market, and it’s likely that there will be an OM-D successor on the horizon when the GX2 comes out. The GH3’s ace in the hole is video, so I don’t think using its sensor in another camera would dilute the market for it. The GF1 was a game-changer when it came out, and I think for people to actually get excited about a successor, Panasonic needs to give it an edge. Using an aging sensor is not going to cut it.
Heh, this deep throat must be very well informed or have an armored brigade of bodyguards. For once such a thick claim is made, we, the Order of Diehard Rangefinder Afficionados, will hunt him down on land, at sea and even in outer space should the GX2 fail to get a VF eventually 🙂
Hey Guys,
interesting news.
I’m looking forward to see the GX2. I like the size, look and form factor. It’s a little bit like my tiny GF2, which makes stunning pictures (raw development). I also like the e-pm1, which I bought for my girlfriend, because she likes to be able to shoot nice jpegs.
So, it’s said, the 43rumors-people will like it … And, it was said, it will be more special. I guess the GX2 will be the fancy one for a special group of enthusiasts.
How about a GX2 with RF style, more DR, no complaints about jpeg engine, no false color? A GX2 with the lately announced 12mpx monochrome sensor?
just dreaming
p.s.: plz stop the pan vs. oly battle. just take some nice pictures instead. thank you
+1000 yes please…. enjoy OUR SMALL JEWELRY, we have someting that we never iamgine 5 years ago….and !!!what a nice pictures they take…both oly and pana
GX2 may have a totally new sensor designed by Panasonic witha focus on dynamc range. Looking at the cameras GX2 will compete against e.g EP5, Nex 7 successor, EX1; Panasonic cannt afford another camera with old sensor tech. It will depreciate too quickly – no return on investment.
notice back to old sensor,
Panny had new replacement sensor each 2 year circle .
In case anyone reading this thread might come away with the impression that the GH2 sensor is horrible compared to OMD or GH3 sensors, let’s just say that this is a bit overstated. GH2 has always gotten an unfairly bad wrap when it comes to stills.
Is this going to be that panasonic hybrid camera the 43rds videographers have been waiting for?
Hope, looks like it is not going to be the hybrid.
More and more I am convinced this camera will have a new Panasonic sensor, likely one with the color splitting technology?
I have and like some Panny, Oly, Sigma. I buy what works for me (or can afford) and hope yours works for you…still a free world. If Panasonic built in a compact tiltable EVF, I would love it (you could then keep fixed lcd). IBIS people? Remember Kodachrome 25 without IBIS…(hold your camera still) But I do take advantage of the Pany telephoto IS. I would like to see improvement at higher ISO though. I really like some features of both manufacturers…can’t build my own though.
I didn’t read all the comments above, but earlier on this site the new Panasonic camera is referred to as “A brand new and completely “different” Panasonic MFT camera”. How can that be if it’s just the GX1 successor? I don’t see it as completely different if all they do is put an EVF in the corner. And I think all posters here should demand more innovation from both Panasonic and Olympus, instead of the incremental updates they keep on doing. The only companies doing real camera innovation are RED and Blackmagic. The others should have learned their lessons by now, especially in the video department.
Just put roll out a rangefinder styled GH3 with a viewfinder and you’re good to go.
Admin: Is there one Panasonic camera coming or two? This one in August and another later?
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