Fuji Fun Vs. Sony Specs…. a Story about my 3 days Flirt with the Sony A7rII and why I now Love Fujifilm even more!

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1. All I read was hate. Fuji has the color though, please slow down on the drinking. ?

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   1. Hate? Where? Which sentence? Does pointing out the strenghts of the X-system automatically mean hating all other brands?

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      1. Obviously, only Sony users have a right to boo.

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         1. Not like we do not see ton of Sony users on here always hating on Fuji, LOL

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   2. What “hate” are you talking about?

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2. If I had the money I would stick with fuji full time, i think this post is pretty spot on. For me though, I’m shooting all manual lenses, and getting a used A7 because for 800 bucks used I get all the features of the XT-1 for cheaper and I get the boost of full frame. Now if someone wants to hook me up with the 35 and 56mm for uber cheap I’m all for fuji lol. Right now my plan is main body a7 with a 50 or 85, x100 second body, and xe1 back up body.

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   1. As I said when I started this post: different needs, different conclusions

      Also for video the Sony is the better choice (if you don’t shoot 4K, since reports say the camera shuts down due the overheating).

      And as a stills-purist, I don’t really care about how good or bad video is… but that’s me

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      1. Same here! I’ve only used video ONCE on my X-T1. And then I promptly deleted it. I wish Fuji didn’t even bother.

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3. Lets not mention the herd of elephants in the room that keeps me away from Fuji…Dynamic range, colour depth, Noise, ability to crop, 4K, image quality….All I have seen in Fuji files is cooked and noisy…Lets remember they are using older smaller versions of Sony sensors.

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   1. Ability to crop? OK. 4K? Obviously. Fuji video in general is worthless. The rest? I’m not seeing any problems with my files which is not to say the FF Sony sensor isn’t as good or better in some areas but Fuji has done a good job with their Sony-sourced APS-C sensor.

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      1. Have to agree with this. You can crop as far as you want with any sensor you want until all you have left is a single pixel. I bet you could even splice that if you wanted.

         Gav: WTF?

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4. You’re missing a few things… there is the uber expensive 35 1.4 FE Zeiss, so there’s more primes than that… and Fuji has very big files, too. Just not as big, as the Sony’s.. but the difference between A7r files and Fuji X-T1 files is veeery slight.

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   1. is it autofocus?

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      1. Yes, it’s a Sony Zeiss. Cheers

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      2. Yes

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         1. updated the post.. missed that one, thanks

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            1. The situation is not as bad as it once was… they got the basic focals covered with 25/2, 28/2, 35 1.4, 35 2.8, 55 1.8, 85 1.8, 90 2.8 macro (all AF btw). But it’s still worse than pretty much any other serious system

            2. Yeah you still forgot the 28mm f2 in your update.

   2. That’s because of the lossy compression. I really hope that Fuji will also offer lossless compression in future cameras. If not, I’d have to switch brands.

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      1. It was just a neutral assessment, not a judgement. The lossy compression of Sony files is an issue the system suffers from. But from the pure file size, I don’t see any serious advantage of the Fuji

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         1. File size isn’t an issue. Image size and resolution is, as it puts a burden on processing. That said, X-Trans is pretty processor heavy, too. But Lightroom CC is very fast on my MBP, so no problems here. Everything changes in real time, as quickly as I can move a slider.

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            1. No issue here, too. Pretty much the same situation. Patrick brought it up, not me.

            2. I didn’t see him bring up file size (as in size of RAW data files). I only read about how slow the 42.5 MP images render on his fast machine, as opposed to how his Fuji RAWs render on the same machine.

               Obviously, 42.5 MP is a larger image than 16.3 MP. Image size and file size are different things.

      2. You’ve said twice that you might have to switch brands w/o lossless compression on RAFs. I’m curious as to why. It can’t be storage cost. Of all the reasons to switch brands, that seems like an odd one. That said, wouldn’t converting to DNG solve your problem? It will take a 33MB RAF and losslessly convert it to a 21MB DNG.

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         1. It’s a deal breaker for me. I like using cameras with ISOless sensors and lossless RAWs. At least the lossy compression has to be invisible when the RAW is pushed 5 or 6 EV.

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            1. I misunderstood you. I absolutely agree that lossy compression is a deal breaker. I thought you were objecting to larger uncompressed RAF files.

   3. file size per se is no problem. We have external hard drives for that. It’s the work on LR could be a problem for some. Recently Adobe improved the loading speed for X-Trans files… they might improve the one of the Sony A7rII too in future, I don’t know.

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      1. In a way I wish Fuji would not restrict files to “just” 33mb. After shooting with Nikon gear for a long time the raw files, and the jpegs varied in size from 40mb to over 50mb depending on the subject. I feel that Fuji is “truncating” information in my raw files…

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      2. But the RAF files take as long, or longer to process, load, and even import than do some files the same size from other cameras.

         I understand that you prefer RAF and Fuji RAWs, but in terms of size/speed/performance, the RAW section, not to mention computer performance made little sense.

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   4. I agree. Most system’s raw file size is roughly equal to their MP rating, i.e., a 12MP Nikon produces a 12MB file at base ISO that gets larger as the ISO increases. At base ISO my 16MP m43 camera creates a 14-15MB file. Because of the X-Trans sensor the Fuji creates a 33MB file! I haven’t checked to see what the Sony produces, but I wouldn’t be surprised to find it in the 40MB range.

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      1. 14 bit RAWs simply need more space than 12 bit RAWs. 12 bit RAWs use up 3 bytes for 2 images, 14 bit RAWs always use 2 bytes per image, hence 2 images require 4 bytes. That’s 33% more than 12 bit RAWs, hence EXR II RAWs became larger. Leica Q RAWs are uncompressed 14 bit RAWs with 24 MP, so they are really large. Fuji certainly won’t have that, so they will employ compression. I just hope that there will be a lossless option. Otherwise, I might have to switch brands, which would be sad.

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5. Nice article. Nothing really new, too. Obviously, the most fun car to drive usually isn’t the one with the world’s most powerful engine, highest top speed, maximum torque and highest engine displacement. Only idiots would buy a car by specs only. Instead, buyers look at the design, how it handles, how it “feels”, heck, even the color! They also consider its overall value, bang for the buck. It’s weird that these basics are often ignored when folks are talking about new cameras. You know, sometimes even a Smart can be a better (and more fun) car for you than a Ford Expedition.

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   1. And yet, handling comparisons break down when you can’t measure them. Car handling is measurable based on how weight slides in turns, how fast the car can go from 100 to 0, how little its back wiggles when in slalom.

      Put similar testable metrics behind a camera and get a more complete understanding of camera handling, which says nothing for ‘fun’. And fun accounts for nothing but personal preference.

      And still, there is no counting for personal preference. I’ve met a lot of people that prefer using the Fujifilm. I’ve met equal numbers of people that prefer using a camera like a Nikon D5000 or Sony A7.

      There is NO accounting for personal preference.

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      1. That’s the point of this ‘comparative’ : personal and non related to specs preference.

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6. 56mm is wonderful but @ f/1.2 the depth of field is equivalent to the 85mm f/1.8 on a full frame. 56mm f/1.2 does trump on light gathering capabilities but Sony’s new tech allows higher ISO with cleaner files. With that said, 56mm is still 56mm. Distortions, not lens distortion, but appearance of the face depending on angle with close.distance, it will still be present compared to an 85mm or a 135mm doing close up portrait work, for that reason, I prefer the longer focal length, which creates bit of an annoyance with crop factor needing more distance…with that said, for environmental full body portraits I agree and I could care less if it is crop or full or medium. I can cart around the X100S with TCL and call it a day. If I were to just go by what I enjoy more, I would grab the X-Pro or X100S. I just love the hybrid OVF. I wish that the X-Pro 2 will have the manual controls like the X-T1. I want to avoid any menu if possible when shooting.

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   1. The part about distortion is bullshit.

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   2. You might want to revisit the basics of optics theory.

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      1. Really? 56mm isn’t 56mm once it’s put on a Fuji? If you put a 56mm “normal” lens on a full frame, then crop to an 85mm FOV in Lightroom, is not the perspective and spacial rendering of lens unchanged? And different compared to an 85mm?

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         1. Take a shot with a 85mm on FF. Then, at the same place, with the same subject at the same distance, take a shot with a 56mm FF, then crop an APS-C area in the center. There is no difference in perspective and spatial rendering, just in DOF. Your statement is a common mistake, but the only thing which changes that is not the focal length, it’s the distance between you and your subject.

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            1. Ok, so you’re saying that longer focal lengths don’t compress and flatten the space in front of them? You’re saying that the narrower angle of view of the longer focal length doesn’t include less background behind the subject? Thank God for higher MP cameras! Now sports photographers can shoot a football game with a 50mm lens and simply crop to a 400mm equivalent and get the same look to their shot! Maybe even better since it can be a 1.4 or 1.2 aperture for faster shutter speeds in adverse light conditions. I guess all my experience shooting weddings, first with a Nikon and 70-200mm and now with a 35-100mm is playing mind games with me. From the same position in the church, 200mm on full frame and 100mm on m43 have a dramatically different look. 200mm brings background elements much close to my subject and makes them larger, whereas the 100mm adds more space between them and includes more of the background. Silly me.

            2. It is actually true, that the compression comes from the distance to the subject not the focal lenght. Of course a 50mm cropped to the field of view of a 200mm will have more DOF unless you shoot the 200mm at 2 stops less.

               To come back to your example: a 200mm f5.6 FF lens should give you roughly the same results as a 100mm f2.8 MFT lens.

               Tony Northrup has a video showing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5zN6NVx-hY

            3. “Ok, so you’re saying that longer focal lengths don’t compress and flatten the space in front of them? ” Absolutely, there is no compression at all, it’s just a matter of a distance from you and your subject. It’s a common mistake but you’re just wrong. The only thing which changes is DOF. And it has nothing to do with taking one lens and cropping, it was just an example to show you that 56 in APSC and 85 in FF renders the same. Do your test again. At the same distance with your 200 on FF and with your 100 on 4/3, then look at your pictures.

            4. That is exactly what Ayoul is saying, and it is correct. But as you know, cropping a 50mm to meet 400mm framing means you lose a lot of pixels, not to mention, even a 50mm f/1,2 lens will have a hard time separating the background well at that crop level.

         2. “face distortion” is only function of perspective which itself only depends from your point of view. From the same spot, a 56mm f/1.2 on APS-C will give you the same depth of field, field of view and “face distortion” as a 85mm f/1.8 on a FF camera.
            This was recently covered on Photography Life:
            https://photographylife.com/does-focal-length-distort-subjects

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   3. I quote… Distortions, not lens distortion, but appearance of the face depending on angle with close.distance, it will still be present compared to an 85mm or a 135mm doing close up portrait work, for that reason, I prefer the longer focal length, which creates bit of an annoyance with crop factor needing more distance… so again… I still need closer distance or be able to crop using a 56mm to get the beauty shots that I want. Why would I want the beauty shots to look cartoonish using a closeup of a 56mm or crop it in post? Annoyance using a crop sensor because I need more distance for the closeup portraits that I want. I quote again. …with that said, for environmental full body portraits I agree and I could care less if it is crop or full or medium. I can cart around the X100S with TCL and call it a day. Why does this confuse or cause such weird responses. I’m seeing the differences using the cameras and lenses that I use on daily basis. such nonsense.

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7. Great article and I could not agree more… the X-T1 is the most fun to use… the people’s camera, if you will. Although I found it out of place to talk about how great the selection and quality of Fujinon glass is (and I quote “LENSES: Fuji Wins!”) yet have the header image include the X-T1 with a Samyang lens. Just sayin’

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   1. true… I just took a quick snapshot with my iPhone before leaving… and in this moment I had the Samyang attached

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      1. Wow… I came back for a peep and see how much heat you’ve caught… hang in there Patrick… I am sure I speak for most of us in that we appreciate what you do

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         1. I guess it’s difficutl to understand that the better spec’d camera is not always the one that makes mor fun, too.

            And thanks… a kind word is always appreciated 😉

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            1. “I guess it’s difficult to understand that the better spec’d camera is not always the one that makes more fun, too.”

               indeed!… I, for one, liked your article. Really, how hard is it to understand that this is an opinion piece (even without reading the prologue)? and that opinions are relative? Alas, many think in absolute terms only and become offended when other people express different opinions. I sense that deep personal issues underlie such shallow behavior…

               You get this much heat from butthurt Sony fanboys especially because they can’t see beyond camera specifications. Just ignore them, they’re only background noise here, you’re doing a great job with your blog and I am sure that many enjoy reading it every day as I do!

8. We often talk about haters, but not so much about lovers. And you are clearly a Fuji lover. As I have a S3 Pro, I’m a Fuji lover too (and an Olympus lover too…in fact). And I was very close to purchase an entire X-T1 system, after 6 month of prevarications.

   But I jumped into the A7s and A7rII world.

   I agree with lots of your arguments, but let me please share some thoughs,after more than 1 month with these 2 Sony.

   Form factor : I find the A7s and A7rII ugly. But I prefer que A7s due to it’s lightweight and buttons position. I don’t really like the new layout of the A7rII…

   IQ : A7s is the best in my opinion (the “best of all the world” I mean), A7rII is the sharpest. About colors : everything is in the tweak. Fuji delivers the “Fuji look” out of the camera. There is no “Sony look”. But I shoot raw and I found my colors. The sensors and electronics delivers plenty of room for color adjustments. And the Zeiss lenses delivers their brilliant “Zeiss look”. And I’m pretty sure the Leica Q would be the king about color look (the “Leica look”)…

   Start-up : this is very very bad…

   Ergonomics : it’s a long process (and a pain), but after 1 month, it’s ok, I found my balance, and it’s really fine. The Sony are NOT ready to go cameras, unlike the Fuji.

   Firmware updates : every camera manufacturers would have to follow Fuji steps on this. I bought a 3500€ Sony camera and I fear (a lot) that Sony is not listening enough.

   AF : the A7s is excellent in low light, but not superfast in normal light. The A7rII is excellent in normal light, but not superfast in low light. Both of them are incredibly accurate. And the focus peaking (especially of the A7rII) is truly accurate too and a breeze to use. I’m really thinking to move to MF for all my (personal and professional) work, as I hated MF until now.

   Lenses : you forgot the Sony Distagon T* FE 35mm f/1.4 😉 😉 and the FE 90 mm f/2,8 Macro G OSS 😉 😉 which are spectacular lenses.
   The 55mm is a marvel. It’s only a 1.8 and at first I did not want to spend 850€ on a 50mm 1.8 (canon 50mm 1.8 is about 100€). But the sharpness and the rendering are top notch. Same thing with the 35mm and the 90mm (which is is one of the sharpest lens I’ve ever used). These are Sony/Zeiss lenses. I admit that Fuji (and Olympus, PanaLeica) are doing a great job, but Zeiss, with the Loxias, the Batis and the Sony ones is ALSO moving fast and delivers incredible lenses. It’s not about having the largest aperture possible. It’s all about the rendering. And I understood that with the 55mm 1.8.

   Bonus : I bought a second-hand Canon 70-200 f/4 at 280€ instead of the Sony 70-200 f/4 (1300€). With a 100€ adapter I have fast and precise AF on my A7rII. This is one thing I’m really happy with.

   My little conclusion : for me Fuji is the best mirrorless system. It matches weight , IQ and pleasure to shoot with.

   But I bought a Sony A7 system, and I am truly happy with it. Even if it’s a heavy system. Even it’s an expensive system. Even if the AF lenses are huge. Even if the bodies are ugly. Even if the ergonomics is designed for geeks instead of photographers. I love the lenses, the colors I achieved in raw, the “Zeiss look”, the sharpness of the A7rII, the crystal clear signal of the A7s. Every camera has its faults. This is not a question of right or wrong choice. The best camera is my camera, and your camera.

   I had more than 10 DSLR (Olympus, Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Sony) and some mirrorless cameras (2 Oly and now 2 Sony). And the only important advice is : find YOUR lens. And that’s all. Everything else is in the photography, not in te gear.

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   1. Edit : very bad for Sony, the picture profiles are not well implemented in Lightroom/camera raw. The only program that can open properly sony raws is “image data converter”, which very very sloooooow.

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      1. What about Capture One? I think it does a terrific job and it’s more or less free for Sony users.

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         1. Yes but it does not recognize the picture profiles of the cameras…it’s a shame since (as you said) there is a Sony version of Capture One Express.

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            1. Yes, and the Pro Version only costs like 27€, which is almost free.

   2. Oh and I’m really thinking of buying the next Fuji X100 over the 1600€ Sony Distagon T* FE 35mm f/1.4, which is huge and heavy.

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9. Why is it a war? Why does one consumer model have to “win,” and another to “lose?”

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   1. Exactly !

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10. >> Faster camera and always ready to capture the decisive moment.

    Yes, always ready to capture the decisive moment, except for when you just took a picture with TTL flash. Then you have to wait 2 seconds. Make that 4 seconds with an EF-20 flash.

    What do I want from the Sony on my X-T1: ZEBRA
    (or blinking highlights in the shown picture, right after I take them)

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11. Another stupid and hype comparison with APS-C 16MP vs FF 42MP.

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    1. That’s why I didn’t share a single pixel peeping comparison 😉

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    2. Another stupid and bollocks comment. TL;DR?

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       1. Let see if Partcik will allow me to answer you…
          Yes, it’s stupid comparison, because it compares sun to moon. Sony FF is better im most categories, it’s FF, so twice large sensor size, gives much more details (amazingly more), has better DR, better high iso, better AF with all PDAF and better AF sensitivity for low light focusing, it has more Fn buttons, has Custom Modes (Fuji no one), better bracketing (Fuji 1EV only), better focus peaking (t’s amazing), Sony weights only 180g more vs X-T1 (remember it’s FF). Size? Actually you see how big X-T1 is compared to FF A7rII:

          X-T1: Width – 129mm, Height – 89.8mm, Depth – 46.7 mm
          A7R II: Width -126.9mm, Heigh – 95.7mm, Depth – 60.3 mm

          You can put hundreds of manual FF lenses on Sony including wide angle that are cheap, I have 5 old Contax/Zeiss DSLR lenses (all costed me $1200) and perform wonderfully on Sony FF.
          X-T1 can compete with A6000 only, not with A7rII which is on copmlately different level vs X-T1, they are not comparalbe.

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12. I changed from another system to Fuji without reading any specs… Let’s face it, any modern digital SLR or CSC has good enough quality for most people most of the time. The dedicated engraved control knobs of the X-T1 are, for me, much nicer to use than two or even three assignable but unmarked knobs. The viefinder is also lovely and, call me old-fashioned, but I like to see what I’m taking a picture of. For me, moving to the X-T1 has put the fun back into photography. In some ways the technical quality is better than my old system, in other ways it is worse – I don’t care.

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13. RAW: Fuji Wins! ^^

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    1. The sensor of the soy has phase detection pixel, the main advantage for me. They do’t affect the RAW files

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       1. If you shoot a raw with the Sony A7RII, then take the same shot with the Fuji, I doubt that the Fuji files will be more versatile regarding noise, dynamic range, details, ability to post prod, when you open both in your favorite software… Okay, maybe colors, though it’s very personal and highly alterable thing. What does “raw” means for you if it’s not that?

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          1. I have both the Fuji X-T1 & Sony A7rii. I prefer a lot of the manual dials on the X-T1 but I also like the programmable dials on the Sony.

             I love my Fuji X-T1 with the 50-140 but, when it comes to Raw files and the ability to manipulate them in post, as well as cropping etc, Sony kicks Fuji in the Nuts. The 90mm from Sony also rips Fuji a new one in terms of a macro lens.

             Fuji has been slow to provide additional resolution & video, both of these I needed for work therefore I had to look elsewhere. Now that I have, I’ve found that I love some of the tracking features the sony offers as well as the grip and the way they implemented the vertical battery grip.

             They are basically two pieces of equipment that offer different functions and features and which one is best comes down to what you need. This whole my football team (i mean camera) is better than yours is becoming a little boring. It’s a tool for a job, pick the right one to do it.

             Edit, in terms of raw, colour is meaningless as I would always create a custom ICC profile for the camera using ColorChecker Passport etc.

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14. I agree using the Fuji is more fun and it feels like a camera much more than the Sony A7 series. But the X-T1’s current AF by my experience is still behind almost every mirrorless manufacturer’s most recent cameras (Canon being the only exception), even in Single AF mode. The dynamic range is also lacking compared to Sony and Samsung, and the X-Trans files are quite slow when processed in Lightroom with the abundance of moire as the only real but relatively insignificant benefit against traditional bayer sensors. For me, it’s more complication than gain. The X-A1 has the same Fuji colors and around the same noise with a bayer filter, with faster processing.
    I’d like to see the next Fujifilm camera with a 24Mp(+) BSI bayer sensor with Sony’s current AF tech (or something as good, like Samsung’s) and a tilt/swivel touchscreen, keeping the build quality, manual dials, etc… With Fujifilm’s amazing lens selection it would make the system the most attractive for me.

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15. I agree with some of that, but ‘Sensor/Raw – Sony wins’? Hm… Regardless of the 11+7 Raw compression, the A7rii still has massively more DR, a greater ability to recover shadow areas, and no problems processing fine, repeating patterns in landscapes, etc. in mainstream Raw converters, like X-Trans does. At the very least you could call it a draw, but then those extra megapixels buy you a hell of a lot of cropping before you fall to the 16mp resolution of X-Trans, don’t they?

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16. Great write up, and the honesty is refreshing!

    One minor point: the 56mm f/1.2 (on APS-C) and 85mm f/1.8 (on full-frame) produce exactly the same angle of view and depth-of-field.

    We are using the a7R II, bust really only because it does internal 4k recording, full-frame, and we need that. I personally really like the stabliized sensor, combined with a fast prime, for night shooting without a tripod.

    Sony’s native lens selection is pretty awful, as you point out, and if we had to use Sony lenses, we just wouldn’t. Adapted Canon zooms are working surprisingly well, and they’re SO much sharper (and cheaper) than the Sony equivalents. Anyway, that’s the best way we’ve found to get great results from the Sony, and it’s a MUCH bigger PITA than an X-T1 and native Fuji lenses.

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    1. For those who have switched from DSLR’s to MILC for their compact form factors, doesn’t it defeat the purpose to use adapters to mount DSLR glasses? You might as well use a 5Ds instead of a7R-II+metabones!
       I’m not specifically talking about you. You obviously have reasons beyond the size, but for someone who’s considering switching over to MILC because of the size, FF MILC is not the way. FF inevitably requires large glasses. There is no way physically to make a ‘small’ 85 1.4!

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    2. “Sony’s native lens selection is pretty awful”
       Are You sure?
       Loxia 25; Loxia 50; Batis 25; ZA 55; ZA 35; ZA 35 1.4; New Macro 90 which is among the best lenses right now.
       About zooms:
       ZA 16-35; ZA 24-70; ZA 70-200

       I really do not know what is wrong with these lenses? You can get a great results with any of the above mentioned, there are no need for outdated 90s Canon lenses.

       It is really funny that people are never satisfied…

       Best Regards

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    3. Just wondering about those adaptors; I used to use them a lot on my EOS before, and I still use them on my X-T1.

       A while ago I read some article by John of Lensrentals about misalignments due to small tolerances. He claimed that for critical sharpness, adapted lenses are a no-go.

       I can imagine that with a 40MP+ sensor, small errors look much worse than on a 16MP camera. Any thoughts on that?

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    4. “Sony’s native lens selection is pretty awful (…). Adapted Canon zooms are working surprisingly well, and they’re SO much sharper (…)”
       Well, that is just preposterous.

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17. I don’t think that there is a clear winner here. Both camera systems are great and have their fan base. For some people, the Sony fits perfect and for others, the Fuji is the way to go. Competition is always a good thing and it pushes the other manufacturers to create better products. A win/win situation for us photographers.

    I am a Fuji-X user since 2012 and I don’t regret my decision. I love the physical appearance and built quality of the Fuji’s and the unique manual control possibilities with all its mechanical dials on the camera and the lenses. And of course the Fuji prime lenses are wonderful too. To summarize: It is simply fun and pure joy to work with my Fuji gear every single day. And while I do see a lot of people using Nikon’s, Canon’s and Sony’s – me and my Fuji gear are total exotics out there… that’s another fun part of the story too 😉

    But this is me. My personal preference. I am sure that the ones walking the Sony line do have their own arguments and criteria, why their decision was the right one.

    Frankly, how many times do you see people with great and expensive gear walking around and all they do is shooting in full automatic mode? Many people don’t want to deal with manual controls at all. So why should they go for Fuji?

    Again, the Sony A7 series is a great family of cameras, especially the latest A7rII… but it simply does not satisfy my personal requirements for a camera system. No hate, not arguments in the style of “mine is better than yours”. Simply personal preference. You love Sony? Great! Please, have as much fun as possible and go out shoot as much as you can. I will.

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18. Fully agree with this post : I’ve tried cameras including Sony but somehow nothing came close to Fuji, overall.

    Since you are going to message Fuji for improvements, could you advise them to update their earlier lenses and align them to the latest standards? I’m thinking weather sealing, marked aperture ring, latest OIS, linear motor AF (yes, the 10-24 needs all that)… No need to change the focal and optical design, just the points above ?

    Cheers

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19. I’m sure the Sony is a great camera. But I would still pick up my X-T1 and my fabulous lenses ANY DAY over ANY Sony product. Period. I believe Sony is in it more for the consumer electronics than serious imaging. I do believe you are correct in the “next big thing” statement. They are like a shark. They have to keep moving, and keep pumping products out the pipeline or they die.

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    1. “I believe Sony is in it more for the consumer electronics than serious imaging.”

       No sir, http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/show-highend/

       I see their cameras everywhere, across professional sports, the Olympics, recordings of concerts …

       Their mirrorless cameras are very innovative and have some very good lenses and there are a lot more lenses to come.
       Best Regards

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20. “If I’m not wrong, there are just 4 FE-mount Prime lenses with Autofocus available as of today for the A7 series: the Zeiss 55mm f/1.8, the Zeiss 35mm f/2.8, the Zeiss Batis 25mm f/2.0 and the Zeiss Batis 85mm f/1.8.”

    You are wrong. The first 2 are not Zeiss, they are Sony “Zeiss”, and then there are Sony 28/2, 35/1.4 and 90/2.8.

    Regarding the lenses and Fuji 35/1.4 specifically, if your AF sucks and your MTFs suck and there is no stabilization or weather-sealing, the only thing left is market it harder on Facebook…

    “MEGAPIXEL: Fuji Wins!”

    Just stop embarrassing yourself.

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    1. The MP whole thing is subjective. If we were to put in right down then those film days at best a good take picture is 20MP but it does wonders right.

       Nothing wrong in Fuji Wins! I feel both wins and they have their own perks.

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    2. ^THIS. I am not a Sony / Fuji user, but this so-called article is pretty embarrassing. Trying so hard to manufacture “advantages” that are coming across as nothing but sour grapes.

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       1. And leaving out most of the advantages too, like IBIS and vastly superior video performance etc. I guess he was dared by the CanonWatch Admin to post this article. I can’t explain the existence otherwise.

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          1. As said in the article, I’m not interetest in specs comparisons (Sony wins, Stop), but more on those aspects that keep me prefering Fuji over Sony.

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             1. I think where most people get confused is, that you basically made it a comparison of categories, which is normally used for very technical stuff. A straight opinion piece without saying X or Y wins in this category would have done a better job at getting your initial point across without pissing people off.

             2. That’s a good point… changed it a bit

             3. but it created lot of attention to this article. I don’t see that as a lose. I see that as a win win 🙂

21. Disappointing click bait article.

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    1. I don’t read anything that is considered “bait” here, ended up. Buy what you like and what you need and what you can afford to enjoy Photography.

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    2. Thanks… I almost missed that kind of comment 😉

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       1. That’s because in general your articles are of a higher quality.

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          1. Since I write 700 articles a year, I guess not every single one can please everyone… have to live with that.

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             1. Eh, I don’t see the problem here. You’re talking about why you prefer one camera over the other. At least you tried the other one, rather than a lot of others who will pop onto this site and talk trash about Fuji while NEVER having tried them out.

       2. I’ve mostly enjoyed your blog because it makes a nice change from the usual Canikon bickering, so I was a bit disappointed to see you picking a fight with a system that is tenuous comparison fodder anyway.

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          1. Don’t see any fight. just a reasoning on what I prefer on Fujifilm after a few days shooting with the A7rii. I take note that I belong to a super small niche that Looks for more than mere specs in a camera.

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22. What are you comparing: sun with moon?

    In all – if you want most – categories Sony wins, it’s FF, 50% larger sensor size, better details (amazingly btter), better DR, better high iso, better AF with all PDAF and better AF sensitivity for low light focusing, it has more Fn buttons, has Custom Modes (Fuji no one), better bracketing (Fuji with funny 1EV only), better focus peaking (t’s amazing), Sony weights only 180g more vs X-T1 (remember it’s FF), what about size? Actually you see how big X-T1 is compared to FF A7rII:

    X-T1: Width – 129mm, Height – 89.8mm, Depth – 46.7 mm
    A7R II: Width -126.9mm, Heigh – 95.7mm, Depth – 60.3 mm

    You can put hundreds of manual FF lenses on Sony including wide angle that are cheap, I have 5 old Contax/Zeiss DSLR lenses (all costed me $1200) and perform wonderfully on Sony FF.
    X-T1 can compete with A6000 only, A7rII is on copmlately different level vs X-T1, they are not comparalbe.

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23. Although I love my X-T1, and probably choose it over a7r-II, your article suffers from confirmation bias. You’ve distorted some facts and interpreted the way you believed to be true, and spread them among some valid points. Megapixels for instance, Fuji’s 16MP beats Sony’s 42MP?!
    You’re article may be persuasive for less-informed readers, but not for well-informed ones.

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24. I love my X-T1, but I am still considering the a7rII. The main thing is for video. More and more my professional life is requiring that I shoot stills and video, not to mention my personal work. I have a GH4 which I use for video, but it is truly a huge annoyance to have to have two camera systems, one for photos and one for video. It would be a revolution to be able to take fantastic stills and fantastic video in one camera body. I LOVE the photos that come from my Fuji’s, and I love the fun factor, the styling, everything about them. In fact, I owe my current career to the Fuji cameras. I had never taken a photo before, and then I saw an x100 in a magazine spread and it instantly grabbed at my heart and I had to have it. I started wit the Fuji X10, found out I loved photography, and moved to the x-pro and launched a professional career from there. But despite my strong love for fuji, and all of the things I love about them, they are beginning to lose out to my need to have strong video features. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make SERIOUS video a priority for the x-pro2!

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25. My only thought… you really serious? At least XF 56/1.2 should have very close DOF with Batis 85/1.8

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    1. Indeed. Rife with factual errors this article is.

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26. Nice, thoughtful post, Patrick. Didn’t read like a giant rationalization. 🙂 That said, I do think you have to grade down the Fuji RAW for the X-Trans processing hassles; and anyone who needs video should just cross the XT1 off their list. On the other side, I have to downgrade the Sony system for size and weight. That’s a big deal to me.

    I continue to shake my head at Sony’s refusal to provide lossless RAW files as an option. Why wouldn’t they at least give their customers a choice?

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    1. To keep people buying a new body every year. I think they just want to cut cost for themselves to not offer 14bit. 12bit actually does fine for average consumers. Nikon has that as well and you hard could tell difference in real world sample. The problem is lossy 14 bit.

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       1. I’m not sure I follow your logic, Chris. Are you saying that Sony offers 12-bit uncompressed as an option? Or are you making a case that true photographers use Nikon? 🙂 I don’t necessarily disagree that 12 bit uncompressed is preferable to 14 bit lossy though you don’t actually say that.

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          1. I have the A7s and A7rII since more than 1 month. I shot around 2500 pictures in various situations. The only issue I noticed about the raw compression problem is on 5 pictures : 30sec exposure during the night, banding in the sky.
             It’s important that Sony listen to the customer. But the raw compression is not (in my opinion) a major problem. Just over buzzed.

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             1. It’s highly over buzzed. I’ve shot probably 30.000 pics on my A7II and A6000 and haven’t noticed any major issues yet.

             2. I wonder if you and Christian are both missing my point. Whether or not it is a major problem, it would seem to have an easy fix: give users the choice of lossy compression or not.

          2. Sony automatically switches between lossy 14 and 12. 14 is causing issue so far. The technical reason behind this could be cost. Price gap between 14 and 12 bit high speed adcs is huge. Also, with high pixel count it’s hard to install high spec on sensor adcs due to space limit. You have to go with smaller but less accurate adcs.

             A7 series are very obviously designed with low cost in mind. They cut corners almost everywhere including mount.

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             1. That would make sense. Interesting.

       2. You probably need to have a serious talk with this girl then…

          http://gizmodo.com/5860261/legendary-photog-annie-leibovitzs-surprising-camera-recommendation

          But seriously, I think you are barking at the wrong crowd. We already know you are enamored by your nikons but keep in mind this is a mirrorless discussion and the nikons you are referring to are not. Most here already came from dslr and have conscientiously migrated to mirrorless, knowingly all the pros and cons in doing so.

          I think your declaration that “Anyone serious with photography are probably using Nikon these days” is too sweeping and dismissive. Do you mean to say damien Lovegrove, Zack Arias and the likes are not serious with photography? Given that they are reknowned Fuji endorsers, I think it is safe to say they are still mighty serious and very good about their craft.

          Btw, Annie prefers Canons, just saying. :p

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          1. I still have xt1 in addition to df. I now choose camera based on high ISO performance and color sensitivity. No doubt fuji offers great solution but when comes to price and weight, sometimes you don’t gain much from mirrorless. I sold a7 to get Df. It’s safe to say i have experience in all 3 brands.

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             1. I’m not refuting your experience. Only the part about “Anybody serious etc.”

             2. That statement holds true when you look at what photo crew use during olympus games. Those cameras put food on their tables.

             3. But not to this national geographic photographer which also depends in photography to put food on his table. To boot, this is even a dangerous assignment. Notice what 2 cameras He used.

                http://proof.nationalgeographic.com/2013/11/01/artifacts-photographer-tomas-van-houtryve/

                Aside from that, as mentioned above Annie prefers Canon mkiii. We can do this all day, but whats important depends on which is the pro most comfortable using and in what situation.

          2. As much as Zack loves his Fuji as I do as well, he converted long ago and use Medium format mostly for his shoots from my understanding.

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             1. Actually he has been shooting medium format even before he started using fuji. He uses phase one together with Fuji now. What he unloaded were his ff canon gear in favor of fuji.

                He has been the main proponent in pushing Fuji from releasing a medium format which actually is the reason why there’s a strong rumor about it.

       3. Chris: Sony brought out the A7 and A7r in 2013. It is now almost two years after. They do not bring out a new body in a specific range any faster than do any other manufacturer.

          Fujifilm, in fact, has updated the X100 almost yearly, and depending on what the X-T10 means for the X-E series, ditto.

          Every manufacturer except for Leica (regarding interchangeable lens cameras) are guilty of this. Some wait longer for the high-end, others wait longer for the low end.

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27. people that need to diss other peoples cameras are insecure about their own photography skills!

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28. Wow what an innacurate article. The entire sections of article are wrong. Let’s talk about megapixels. Admin when was the last time u looked at physical size of files coming out of xt1 vs a7r2? Because of a7r2 somewhat crippled raw output the files are more manageable. My a7r2 produces filed size 40mp. Xt1 produces raw files over 30mp. I am traveling now but will check in my computer when I come home but the file sizes for raw files is similar. And same
    For JPEG files. Just check.

    Point 2. It is not only lenses that matter. It is sensor and lens combination. With apsc sensor lenses have to work harder to keep up with dof of full frame sensor. So 56/1.2 has to compete with 85/1.8 on full frame. 23/1.4 cannot compete with sonyzeiss 35/1.4. Fuji would have to design 23/1.0 or faster

    In fact the Fuji engineers in article posted not long ago when explaining their choosing apsc format and lenses were saying that they recognize the dof disadvantage because of apsc sensor. But they win because their lenses are so sharp wide open and dslr lenses soft wide open and have to be stopped down a little
    To get to good sharpness hence balancing the advantage for full frame. But this argument loses with fanfares when it comes to Sony fe as Sony fe lenses are sharp sharp wide open. So if anythin disadvantage. In fact this argument loses even to modern dslr lenses of today as they are all now sharp open talking about latest lenses that came out last few years. Just look at Nikon inexpensive line of 1.8g lenses.

    In that regard admin how about not selectively pick a sentence from admiring light review and not mention that 95 other percent of that review talks about how Zeiss 85/1.8 kills 56/1.2 in sharpness across frame? Bokeh quality is subjective. Have u used Zeiss Batis 85/1.8? Ever used Zeiss 55/1.8

    Fuji lenses are great. Your article is a flame.

    Btw I compared Fuji xt1 with Sony a7r2 in very low light and Sony killed Fuji. Personally. Oh and read dpreview article from few days ago how a7r2 autofocuses faster and better in very low light than d750.

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    1. As Sony A7rII owners we still have to admit that ergonomics is poor compared to the X-T1, don’t we ?
       The only thing really interresting (IMO) in this article is that the Fuji camera are LOVED. And the system is more mature as a mirrorless system.
       The Sony are more like a challenger with lots of selling points, but do not have the maturity of Fuji, and let’s say Olympus.

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       1. I tried out Sony A7II, I love the grip and buttons position. Compared to A7 before MK 2 series, that was really bad.

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       2. I don’t see how the X-T1 has better ergonomics. That is 100% an opinion.

          If you wanted to bias that with measurable metrics, you would have to test:

          1. how long and how many hands it takes to change ISO, aperture, shutter speed.

          In every single instance, the Sony would win.

          If by ergonomics you mean the style of grip, it depends on your hand size and shape. If you mean the feedback of the eye sensor, I’ll give you that. The Sony one is way too sensitive. If you’re talking about the hair trigger (no half-stop) of the A7, I’ll give you that. It’s horrible.

          But you have to qualify what you say, otherwise, it is just religious platitude.

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       3. I like having manual controls to avoid in-camera menu tree, which X-T1 I am able to. I just can’t avoid the menu tree in a Sony or other Fuji models because it’s all in-camera menu tree. No I don’t like pushing the Q. The shutter placement of the A7II/A7R II is more comfortable in my opinion vs the X-T1, but you get use to it. A7R II does feel chunkier and feel little better to hold for my case. X-T1 just feels smaller but I never had a half case, so maybe it’s moot.

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       4. Correct. I do like XT1 has more buttons and levers and it is much faster to change things on XT1 than on Sony A7RII. However I was able to set major functions on A7RII buttons, however, I would love to get few more buttons so I could assign more things. I like how XT1 has separate button for AF, separate button for AEL, etc. very convenient. And Fuji menu is easier. Sony menu after a while of using, still I don’t remember where certain things are.

          As for system Fuji is 4 years and Sony is 2 years. Give Sony another two years and lets see where they are.

          Also in all fairness we are comparing a brand new camera to Fuji’s camera which is almost 2 years old. On the other hand, XT10 just came out recently, and not much advancements in relation to XT1. No IBIS, same sensor, same shameful video, etc.

          Fuji XT1 wins on beautiful OOC Colors, and beautiful skin colors, great OOC jpegs, better Weather Seal that former A7 bodies (I have experience shooting Sony and Fuji side by side).

          So ergonomics and OOC colors – Fuji wins. I believe if you are Jpeg shooter who does not want to tinker with photos, your Fuji provia astia and velvia are awesome.

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       5. Admit? The Sony is way better for me. I find a shutter dial to be a very bad design decision, prefer a real grip (not that protrusion on the X-T1) etc.

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          1. All grips are not created equal. Take for instance the D800. it is large. But because its base expands too closely to the camera body, it is hard to get normal-sized fingers to the base without crunching against the DOF preview button and the mount.

             Unless it is a small friction pad (as seen on the X-Pro 1) grips must be used pretty much a finger-wrap. There are no other comfortable, or secure ways to hold them. And depending on the style, or focus, of the grip, they can actually be less secure than a friction pad, or even a bare body.

             The X-T1’s grip is an overgrown friction pad. It works for my wife, whose hands are small, but the X-Pro 1 doesn’t. She couldn’t hold the pro comfortably at all. I can’t hold the X-T1 comfortably. And the A7r isn’t comfortable either.

             Of all the oversized grips I’ve used, the D200’s is the most comfortable. But that is for me.

             In other words: large grip does not mean better. It just means large grip.

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             1. Precisely what I meant – it depends. For me, the a7 are better. The OP though somehow decided that his preferences are universal.

             2. It’s still cool to have different point of views 🙂

             3. For me it’s impossible to be objective. All I can say is that on the 10 dslrs and 4 mirrorless I had (+ a Sigma Dp1s), the A7s/rII are for me the least good in ergonomics I’ve ever had. Even tough I love these cameras.
                Edit : I did not like the Nikons either (troll mode on).
                Edit 2 : and for me Olympus is by far the best in this field.

             4. Otherwise, it will get boring rather quickly 🙂
                I tend to adapt to different grips, but I do have my limits. As for preference, I’ll discuss grips -and- interface, as I’ve tried cameras with great grips, but crappy button and dial placement (that would be Canon).
                The best I’ve tried would be pretty much every DSLR from Sony and Pentax, with the a77x/K5x really nailing it. For mirrorless, Sony and Olympus with the NEX-7, EM-1 and EM-5II with grip.
                The X-T1 actually feels great in hand, but I simply do not understand that shutter dial.

    2. I agree! thank you for your post.
       inaccurate article – this is so right!
       both systems are great and each has his strenghts
       Maybe I will stop reading fujirumirs because of this silky articles

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29. I happen to use both systems and am happy to praise both equally. Currently, l use a Sony A7 mk 2 and l cannot fault it. (only a poor 24MP!) I am using a manual focus Zeiss Loxia 50/2 and the images l am getting are just stunning. This terribly low-spec camera is giving me images with natural colours, incredible sharpness and “soul”. It reminds me of film in many ways and that Zeiss “pop” can be wonderful. I get similar feelings when using my X100T or my X-Pro1. Remember, Sony has Minolta at its heart and they understood how to make great lenses and film cameras. This knowledge has not been lost. And…….l hear the Sony sensors turn up in all sorts of strange places. Maybe it is the photographer rather than the camera?

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30. I think this was probably the least helpful post I’ve read on this site. I’m an X-T1 owner and adore that camera, but this comparison feels a bit like apples and oranges and sounds completely biased. Comparing the 2 cameras on 8 or 9 metrics and having Fuji win all of them is pretty ridiculous I think.

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    1. As I said in the article… if we want to make the mere specs comparison, Sony wins. I prefered to focus on those aspects, that keep me to Fujifilm.

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       1. I think you should have more explicitly stated that this was 100% a strong personal bias. It reads like a pronouncement, and is unfair, and, because of its bias, may lead to:

          1. credibility issues
          2. attract more trolls
          3. attract more unthinking fanboys

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          1. this is why I wrote a “Prologue”, But I understand that, in a long article, maybe people tend to skip some parts

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       2. Patrick, I hope that my comment didn’t come off as mean in any way. I should have highlighted how incredibly good I feel like this site is in general. This article thought missed the mark in my mind.

          I respect your love of the Fujifilm X series cameras and I appreciate the work you put into this site. I have benefited greatly from it.

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31. A X-Pro2S….I would defo buy that. No sarcasm either. Been eyeing A7s prices lately.

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32. Well the article is very Fuji purist but then again, there
    are so many good gears out there including the Micro 4/3 and 1” sensor which
    can hold themselves well.

    This review from what I read is mainly focusing on enjoyment
    rather than the PRO requirements of the Photography.

    Nothing wrong with saying Fuji good this and good that, so
    does Sony series, I am a Sony fan boy and ‘boy’ so many of my gears around
    me has branded with SONY but personally choose Fujifilm over the A7II is
    because enjoyment and colours from JPEG. (Casual shooter who are in the
    learning process) I was comparing with A7II because at the time of purchase
    there is no A7RII and the A7RII price is NOT something I would simply pay for
    as I am not RICH nor Photography is my rice bowl.

    I know that IBIS and 35MM FF has a lot of advantages over
    APS-C but technologies have improved. When I was choosing between A7II and
    X-T1, the sales person was telling me what can be achieved with both cameras,
    of cause it was a little BIAS as the sales person uses Fuji and GOSH his
    pictures are very beautiful in low light and he don’t do any editing using LR.

    When I asked him how I should improve, he gave me the best
    and a very vague answer. Just shoot until you get the hang of it. Love the
    hobby not the hardware.

    So I feel both cameras are good that is why I was even
    considering Sony but for me, I understood (I uses Nikon previously) FF and high
    MP are very unforgiving hehe…. thus not very good for me, who does not like
    editing. Another thing is FF lens tends to be big and heavy, well unless Leica
    comes in. LOL

    I like how Fuji approaches the progress of a camera. Rather
    than chunking out on newer hardware they chose to improve on the existing
    hardware and give a further push, while I am looking forward to X-T2 but I
    doubt I will be getting it until my T1 deserve to retires. I think X-T2 will be
    interesting and really who knows if Fuji starts the Medium format wars.

    Is a little unfair to compared A7RII to X-T1 LOL the specs aside, A7 series has lenses designed by Zeiss and and and A7RII is 1 1/2 years younger than X-T1 which made T1 old…. old hardware… LOL but if we think back to those Film days (Nikon F80) this generation of Photography are lucky LOL

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    1. I bought the A7s and A7rII.
       But if I had to choose between the X-T1 and the A7II, I would definitely go for the Fuji.

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       1. Both are good and very good cameras you own there, Honestly in professional point of view, Sony A7II and A7RII is a good direction and their lenses direction are catching up quite fast. (Quoted from my friend who does pro photography when we were discussing Sony’s A7 new members)

          I just did not take A7 cause of lightweight, cost and the need to do processing.

          Other than that, I have experience with A7II for a week and I quite like it.

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33. What camera is the “easiest to manual focus in Little to no light” also having with the lowest noise….. in your opinion? “Most important to me.”

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    1. A7s ?

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       1. Is it better than a Leica m’s manual focus?

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          1. Of everything I have ever tried, the digital zoom in an EVF is the best way for critical focusing.

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             1. The Leica Q has an evf. There are rumors of new Leica interchangeable lens system. We have to wait, but I suppose they will have an evf too. Maybe it’s a clue.

             2. Let’s see. After the T and the Q, I am finally becoming somewhat interested in what they have to offer. However, by losing the rangefinder, doesn’t it become just another (pricey) mirrorless?

             3. Yes, but “competition” is good between manufacturers. It leads to constant innovation 🙂

             4. Agreed 🙂 I am definitely impatient to see what Leica will bring.

             5. I do agree that competition is good, but I don’t think Leica is a real competitor to Sony. Leica is over expensive, it has less features and it is not that great in digital. So I do hope Canon or Nikon come with a real A7 competitor!

             6. With action shots in LOW Light?

34. The benefit of MPs is cropping. A Leica Q is a 24mp 28/1.7 but also a 15mp 35/2. A Sony A7r-ii is a 42mp 55/1.8 but also a 18mp 83/2.8. Four focal lengths from two lenses. Fuji zooms cannot deliver the same opportunities in the same equipment size, even if everything is scaled to 16mp for the final product in each case.

    This two camera rig is what I’m using. If Fuji ever gains control of their own sensor destiny and gets something special instead of Sony crumbs, I’ll be back for sure. There is a moderately higher-end market that Fuji is missing at the moment, and it is all about the “film.”

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    1. “The benefit of MPs is cropping.”

       That and perspective corrections. Plus one.

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35. First of all, I’m a big fuji fan and used to have a a7 with almost all the lenses. I sold everything and bought a x100s and and x-t1. So, I was able to compare the cameras, the lenses etc.

    This blog post is very biased and should never have been published. Twisting word and using citations out of context is not worthy of fuji rumors – and least not in the blog.

    Just one example….the von Wong article you’re quoting. Have you red it? Your quote is out of context and maybe next time you should read the comments as well.

    This article is worthy of an apple fan boy.

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    1. I’ve read it, and refered to this part:

       “To my great disappointment though, after pulling my shots into the
       computer, I discovered that despite the resolution of the files, they
       just looked smudgy (see full rez RAW files here); something, I have since discovered that only seems to happen with my 28-135 especially when zoomed in, focusing at hyperfocal. ”

       Form the comments:

       “I’ve been trying to replicate the problem here at home and it seems
       to happen when you zoom in fully to 135 and focus on a subject that’s
       far away.Subjects that are just a couple feet away or when you shoot wide don’t seem to have the same problem”

       “Glad to hear im not the only one suffering with the 28-135”

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       1. well, it’s a cine lens designed for 4K video. Yes, it can handle stills, but I honestly think when they designed the 28-135 lens with gears… they had A7S with rigs in mind. To test that lens to judge the stills is bit strange in my opinion. I guess it would be like judging 5DSR with 28-300L lens… why does it look so soft? I wonder why…

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          1. No its not. Hey, isn’t that one of the selling points of the $3500 camera? To be able to work with your other lenses without an adapter? That’s what I saw when viewing the Sony add campaigns. And I thought “wow”. Sony didn’t release a compatablity chart. They intended for you to do that yourself. Go try out your lenses on the camera body, they may work great. Or they may not in some cases.

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       2. But that a lens issue…not a camera body issue… So how does the fact the the 28-135 cinema lens maybe has issues on the 42mpix body disqualify the body? You’re the one that says you don’t care about video…none of the other FE lenses nor adapted lenses show this behavior on the A7r2…nor is the 28-135 meant for photography…so why do you care enough about this to make it a knock against the camera….

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    2. Did you just bash Patrick before adding an unrelated Apple non-sequitur? Talk about ‘out of context’, biased, and ‘not worthy’ of comment.

       As to where I agree: it is biased, short-sighted, and silly.

       But this is a Fujifilm fan blog. If it didn’t read unfairly or sillily in favour of Fujifilm something would be wrong. Ditto Sony or Canon, Nikon, or Leica. Ditto anything.

       Fan blogs are fan blogs. If this was DPReview the above article would read horribly and we could all rag on it. As it is, it was written by the admin of a fan blog. Coming here to gainsay an article in which nearly every person that reads this blog will love, is a waste of energy.

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       1. “But this is a Fujifilm fan blog. If it didn’t read unfairly or sillily in favour of Fujifilm something would be wrong.”
          What?! I would like to hear Patrick’s opinion on this. I thought this a Fuji rumors blog.

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          1. Read the articles that get promoted and the way fans interact with various reviews. If you don’t get that this is a fan blog, you don’t get it.

             Most ‘rumour’ sites are, but this one, and M43 blogs, in particular, are fanatical supporters of the platforms about which they rumour.

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             1. That’s very dismissive, Ohm image. I am basing myself on reading this blog on a regular basis (although I certainly don’t read everything) and I don’t find it to be constantly unfair and silly. Or, biased for that matter. Most posts are very to the point, concerning rumors and reviews.

             2. Of course I like Fujfiilm, otherwise I would not have opened a blog with zero readers, zero followers, zero retweets about Fuji. I did it, because I found the first Fuji cameras fasicnating

                I’m a bit confused, when you say I’m fanatical supporter. I mean, how many times did you read firmware/hardware improvements suggestions for Fujirilm here? Or even open letters to Fujfilm?

                And that’s not enough. As I said in this article, I’m preparing an blog post that has all the potential for a galatic shitstorm on Fujiflm. And I will publish it, because… because i LOVE this system and I want it to improve.

                And the day I publish it, I’ll prepare my helmet, becasue I will get another shitstorm wave on FR. That’s it. You say opinions, you’ll be critizied. That should not stop me from saying honestly what I think, though

             3. I guess you haven’t read the post on CanonRumors about how hyped the A7R II is then? THAT, my friend, is what I call biased (even worse than this article).

             4. I don’t disagree with you. The difference is that Canon/Nikon blogs look down on competition because their god-corporations do, while, in particular, m43 and X supporters go out of their way to prove that no one needs anything but their sensor and their lenses and that everything else is just ostentation.

             5. Doesn’t really make that behaviour any better but you’re probably right.

          2. It’s Nathans opinion. I respect that.

             Maybe focussing the article on the things that go beyond the specs, is not for everyone. We are used to pixel peeping and specs comparisons. This is something I did not do. I just shot with it in real life, and wrote about how I feel about it

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36. I have preferences. You have other preferences. I don’t see anything wrong in discussing about it. And, as said in the article, the Sony has terrific specs, wins on paper, is a really good camera. Those who bought it didn’t made any error. It would be an error for me though, since it doesn’t fit to me.

    Different people, different preferences, different cameras. For me it’s Fuji. I’m surprised that it is so “dangerous” to say that

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    1. It did come across as a somewhat defend-the-purchase article. It would have been nicer if you would have given details as to WHY (with proof) you prefer one camera or the other.

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       1. I worte about
          – how the X-T1 EVF is better
          – how I like colors (and film simulations)
          – how I prefer the look
          – how I like the fact the X-T1 does not freeze when the buffer is writing on the SD-Card
          – how I like the wide selection of lenses
          – how I like Fuji’s relationship with its customers (Kaizen)

          I know, there is no “visible” proof, like pixel peeping or something like that. And a specs comparison would be rather useless, since the Sony wins

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37. I think “bigger files slow workflow“ can be true only if you forgot to update your instruments in the Middle Ages.

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    1. In Lightroom, RAF files demosaic and import much slower than do A7R files on the same computer. Adding six megapixels shouldn’t change that.

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       1. my experience was different. While it’s ture RAF loaded slowly (and was improved with the Adobe update a few weeks ago), the A7rII files where pretty slow to work with (in LIghtroom).

          you might test it, and then let me know

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38. And you still missed the point: it’s not about spec sheet, it’s about user experience. Besides, horrible spelling mistakes. Guess you’re a spec sheet photographer right? The camera makes the pictures. Gave me a good chuckle.

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    1. Well, if it was only about user experience and not specs, then why talk about specs?

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39. You can double-post that crap all over the place and you’re still off point with that nonsense.

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40. Well I’ve owned both. Had the X-Pro, X-E1, X-E2, X-T1 and the A7, A7R, A7II and now the A7RII. Fuji’s strengths are their lenses and their commitment to continuous improvement. Sony’s strength are technology development. Features like IBIS and the new bodies of the A7II and A7RII make the Sony a very viable platform. Also the Sony now has a set of lenses that provide excellent results. The offering is not as broad but I love my Batis 25mm f/2 just as much as I loved my XF 23mm f/1.4 and 14mm f/2.8. The FE 55mm f/1.8 does not have to apologize to XF 35mm f/1.4 in any way. Its also excellent. There both great products and they offer a set of real alternative to Nikon and Canon. The are pushing each other which is great. I’ve enjoyed shooting with both.

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41. Another thing Patrick did, is he picked two articles from people that did not like A7RII. Because there are only two. Ming Thein, and the one on canonrumors site. Seriously, Patrick, how about the other 95% of the articles that uniformly praise A7RII as either the best full frame camera overall on the market right now, or a true game changer? For a balanced review, how about Gordon Laing’s of cameralabs.com http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Sony_Alpha_A7r_II/ Gordon is very unbiased, and prefers m43 anyways. I’ve always enjoyed fujirumors but this article is a shame and needs to be removed. I would expect something like this on other rumors sites but not here. Shame.

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    1. thank you for this brilliant comment

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    2. – Is it a shame to say my opinion?
       – Is it a shame to say “Hey, both cameras are great, but I prefer Fujifilm because…”
       – Is it a shame to quote dpreview, who supports the main idea of this post “Fujifilm makes cameras for people who love cameras, not specs”?

       The internet is flooded with great reviews about this camera. For sure everybody has read them. I think it’s ok if I say “Hey, guys, there are some out there, who think differently about the A7rII”

       I’m one of those who praise the Sony (I said it, it is superior in specs, and there is no competition here with Fuji). But I wanted to highlight why I still prefer Fujifilm.

       I really can’t see what’s wrong with it.

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       1. why do you think most people who OWN Fuji here commenting how bad your article is? Think about it. Fuji loyal owners are telling you something. If you don’t see it, you don’t see it.

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       2. Not at all. I certainly can understand that you prefer Fuji. However, the article reads more like you are trying to convince yourself or us. Rather than simply stating your opinion, you cherry-picked statements from “reputable” reviewers to “support” what you are saying and this makes it sound like you are making arguments.
          So, in the end, it is neither just an opinion, nor a balanced review with real arguments. I think that is the issue here.

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          1. What’s the definition of “real argument”? If I say I have more Fun with the Fuji System… is this a “real argument”? If I say I feel more comfortable with the Kaizen philosophy, is it a “real argument”… or are Specs the only “real argument”?

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             1. Should’ve said “proper” arguments. You are somewhat missing my point though. There are two issues.
                > By linking and quoting other people, it -sounds- like you are trying to make an argument (whether true or not). Why bother, if it is just your personal opinion that you want to share?
                > A proper argument would generally be based on facts, sound reasoning, logic etc. Forgetting about some Sony primes when talking about lenses makes for a weak argument. Citing the compression “issue” as a problem and not addressing the significantly more problematic X-trans is also not a proper argument. Etc.

                All I am saying is that you wrote an opinion in a review/argument format. It doesn’t work.

             2. Of course X-Trans has problems with Adobe. Didn’t we already mention it may times here on FR? Maybe my fault was to give it for granted. Anyway, I recommend you to use iridient for demosaicing, since this will sort out any issue

                It’s difficult to give a definition of “proper argument”. If I say “digital split image manual focussing is fun” or “film simulations are fun”. Is that a “proper” argument? Probably not, because you can’t measure or pixel peep the Fun Factor. It’s something I feel, and that is the main spirit of this post.

             3. There is a definition of what an argument is. When it goes outside of that definition, it isn’t proper. Nothing difficult about it.
                The two statements you wrote are not arguments; they are opinions. You may claim whatever spirit you wish for the post, but that is not what you wrote. You tried to argument yourself and failed. You did not write “Fuji lenses are fun, they suit me better etc.”. You wrote about how Sony lenses don’t work well with their sensors by citing a lonely person who had an issue with a lens made for video, explained wrongly how Sony only has 4 FE primes and cherry-picked something from Admiringlight’s comparison. Is this your opinion and how you “focus on those aspects that [you] prefer on Fujifilm”? Because it is just a bunch of a links and defending the bokeh ability of APS-C from… some unknown people who said they want FF for the shallow DoF. Now, in all fairness, what you wrote about the 42MP makes perfect sense, as you clearly explained why you don’t need it.

             4. In the prologue I said that these are just personal considerations (or call them opinions). I’m aware that most of what I wrote is not possible to measure in any way. And since it’s nothing tangible, no hard facts, critics are to expect.

                It’s true, I forgot 2 lenses in the lineup. That’s a fault, and I corrected it (leaving the original part as it was). The message that I wanted to pass is the same: I consider Fuji’s lens line-up more complete.

                Also, I often hear people say: “I buy FF because I want more bokeh!”. In my understanding though, bokeh and DOF are 2 different things. And they both depend on the lenses. I wanted to make that clear in the article. APS-C or FF makes no difference here. The lens makes the difference. In fact, this seems to be such a controversial thing, see Tony Northup video series about it.

             5. Oh, I do understand where you are coming from. I am simply trying to explain how it can sound not in the way you intended it to.

             6. Leonard Coen once said, that in every song he writes, he puts his best into it. Nevertheless he can’t control the results. There are songs that are not good, despite all his efforts, and songs that are great, but that people do not understand (like his song “Halleluja”, which was forgotten for several years and became popular only much later.

                Same for me. I put my best into what I write, but I can’t see or control how it will end. In some posts I can transmit what I think or feel, in other not, other again will probably be understood just much later.

                I’ve read the text again, and I can’t find any hate towards Sony… just a list of things I like on Fuji, and where Sony is not quite there for my needs.

                But as said, once on paper, every text starts to have a life of its own. I can’t control that. I just had an afternoon of fun wirh my X-T1 at the shootout with Canonwatch, came back and thought that I didn’t had this fun with the A7rII… and wrote about this difference.

             7. Agreed, with the caveat that one can do better the next time… sometimes… well, agreed.

             8. I still like the article… this might be my personal “Halleluja” 😉

             9. Thanks Vlad for trying to explain basic things several times. I guess to no avail. Patrick keeps repeating like a robot that Sony has better specs Even though nobody here is trying to convince him that Sony has better specs. What is the purpose of this blog though. Is it to help new buyers of camera to pick the right tool? Then this article serve great injustice to those who are trying to decide. to me it looks like a bitter grasping of trying to justify Fuji xt1 relevance in lieu of a7r2. Or a therapist session where one needs to convince himself he still likes his gear. Fuji xt1 is almost 2 years old. It is a very good camera that made even better with 4.0 firmware. Feel better?

             10. At this point, i.e. midnight, it is what it is. But yes, I would prefer more balanced writing in general because it definitely does a disservice to those who are making a decision. It was limited to the comment sections a few years ago, now it is everywhere.

             11. Excuse me sir, I believe that you are wrong about the mere definition of the word “argument”.

                 ….a statement or series of statements for or against something
                 Merriam-Webster.
                 : a discussion in which people express different opinions about something

             12. Maybe do what newspapers do, and mark certain articles as editorials or opinion pieces? I personally have no issue with this blog post, but it seems I am in the minority.

             13. I thought the “Prologue” was enough… but apparently it wasn’t

    3. David, I think you and many others missed this “These are just my very personal considerations. People with different ways of shooting, priorities & workflow will come to completely different conclusions… and that’s good so”.

       That statement came across to me as meaning that the author was only expressing his/hers view as opposed to an actual review. This is afterall a “rumour” site and not a review site. It would be nice if everyone took that into consideration before making an attack and or complaint about what is or is not in the article.

       To Patrick, you must feel like you really stepped in the sh#t with your article. That you cna continue with your work on this site is a credit to you.

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    4. The A7rii is only a camera that is great on specs, but still retains the fun factor of an A7x camera. I used to care about new/better, until I discovered that when I do actually connect with a camera, I take more shots, and they are better. My X-E2 is such a joy to use, that I take it everywhere. With the A7, yes the output files are great with detail, but if you don’t connect with the camera, then the shots have no soul. 46MP won’t make peoples photos any better, lets be serious, most that are buying it are taking pictures of their cat and drooling over every whisker tip at 100%. Sure the A7rii has a great sensor, though Nikon will improve the output, but there is more to photography than sensor technology. Hell I’ve seen point and shoot shots on Flicker that trump others that I’ve seen using D810/A7x’s.
       In my opinion, the A7rii is too pricey for such a minimal gain into a camera that is partially crippled with things that could be changed through firmware but instead will be fixed in the next iteration of the camera.
       But in the end, perhaps you should just ask for your money back that you pay to access a Fuji fan site.

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42. This site is called Fujirumors and yet people complained that the article posted here is not raving Sony. Everybody has his/her own angle but what if the reviewer does like Fuji better? Whatever floats his boat! Some even attacked the admin of this site LOL

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43. One thing I wish Fuji had was HSS solution. Unless I use the X100S, I am stuck on 1/160. Oh yeah.. unless I buy many many Nissin i40…

    Sony, you are able to get away with triggers that support HSS, also, you are able to let the flash keep up with the 5fps burst unlike the Fuji. Once you turn Fuji into burst mode, you are not able to fire any flashes… why fuji why….

    I’m hoping that X-Pro 2 will bring better lighting solution with HSS and the manual controls of the X-T1 incorporated.

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    1. I think what we all need is a camera with Sony’s sensor, Nikon’s flash system, Panasonic’s video, Canon’s lenses, Olympus’s IBIS, Fuji’s kaizen. I’m sure I’ve forgotten something…

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       1. Yeah, whose body design are you gonna take? 🙂

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          1. Body design? The Leica, of course :p

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44. Hey Patrick. I am sad that people are so mean to you. Whether they think you are right, or the article is balanced, etc., there is no reason to be so unkind. Thank-you for making this site for all of us to enjoy. I know it takes a ton of work for you to keep it up.

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45. Ermmm… the Sony fan boy club is that way…

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46. thanks a lot. 🙂

    I have no problem with ciritcs. I do not have any MTF chart or pixel peeping in my blog post. I guess that’s what’s missing, or some people where expecting. Hard facts

    There are hundreds of reviews out there analizing the specs, easy to find everywhere. So I don’t focus on the specs again, which is where Sony obviously wins, but more on the aspects that I prefer on Fujifilm…. and this is what could make my blog post unbalanced. That’s why I said serveral times in the article that the Sony has superior specs, is a good camera, and I admire Sony for their innovation, they make better sensor than Canon and Fuji can’t compete when it comes to specs.

    But I decided to tell people why driving a smaller car makes more fun to me.

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    1. And you’re right.

       Maybe could you just put a tag on the title when it’s “IMO” or utterly personal post ? The problem is maybe that people (and fanboys in particular…) are a little confused on the purpose of that website. Is it a fanboy website ? Or a facts website ?

       Personnaly I think it’s both of them, and it’s okay, but maybe could it be more clear.

       http://fujilove.com/ is clear, even in the title of the website

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       1. that is what I was trying to say in the prologue. It’s just my opinion, and other will have different ones, which is good, because we are all different with different needs.

          The purpose of this website? I don’t know. It’s my personal blog. So I guess the purpose of it is just to have fun with the blogging. Then of course to keep you informed, too… and to share together some fun moments of specuations with the rumros.

          For sure it’s not the purpose of this blog, that I can’t share my fun, passion and opinions anymore. i’d close it tomorrow morning if that is what FR-readers want.

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          1. Pat, no need to even think of closing the
             blog down, I read so many times, I don’t feel anything wrong. Sony has great
             cameras and without doubt they are very aggressive on the hardware development.
             I personally was in a dilemma to choose between A7II and X-T1 and I put in a
             lot of considerations. For 3 months, I borrowed friend’s cameras and play
             around and go back to the shop and ask for advise.

             And in the end, fun factor took away, but I
             don’t denied that $$ is a problem with FF lenses and top up, I don’t want to
             buy a camera when I need to mount Lenses (cheaper alternative with mount
             adaptors) and loss the auto focus ability (I know metabones has a fixed for
             Canon Lenses). (Sony FF E-mount lenses have good range and I don’t deny it.)

             What is happening here is like a PC gamer
             VS Console gamer where they always like to talk more about specs….

             Everyone is losing focus of the most
             important aspects.

             ENJOY and have FUN, BROs and GALs!

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             1. Your blog is important man 😉

          2. I think you should feel free to block anyone who calls you (or others) a “clown” or an “idiot.” The same guy gets away with this on Sony Alpha Rumors too. But your buddy Andreas lets him get away with it, because he agrees with Andreas’ point of view. Andreas only blocks people who disagree with Andreas, and/or point out where Andreas has failed (which happens remarkably often) no matter how respectfully. Don’t be a censor like Andreas, but people should learn to make their arguments respectfully.

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    2. You summed it up with “And there it was, the clearly most beautiful image! The composition, the light, the moment… everything was just right with this image.” Someone once said that it was better to have an emotionally perfect image than a technically perfect image. Of course, it would be great to have both in the same image!

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47. FF MILC is the way, simply because you can adapt the lenses you need. You just take the smallest one from every mount. Also, some lenses can definitely benefit from the shorter FL.

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48. Your opinion is fine by me, use what makes you happy as we have some seriously great imaging tools at our disposal. But the 56 is not shallower than the Batis 85 wide open. DOF with the Batis 85 is slightly shallower at f/1.8. See here: http://patik.com/dof/#15;Lens%201,56,f-1.2,APSC;Lens%202,85,f-1.8,full

    The EF 50/1.2 has faster AF on the A7rII than on the 5d3. I wish Sony had Fuji’s lens lineup. With 7 more lenses being announced by the end of the year that gap will close a bit. Lots of fast primes in the A-mount like the 85/1.4 and the stunning 100/2 from Minolta that can be adapted as well. I’d love to pair Fuji’s lineup with IBIS, 4k video and more MP and DR.

    I need a FujSon.

    Till then my choice is the A7rII.

    Cheers.

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49. OMG, I can perfectly understand someone expressing a personal view on a product. What I fail to understand is why his opinion is worthy of being published on this website. I mean, we’re not talking about a serious, renowned, credible, and educated photographer who should be taken seriously. This guy is clearly a fanboy and his comments are simply ridiculous.

    He refers to what is probably going to be named the camera of the year as: “42MegaPixel completely wasted, or as Von Wong said: 42MP of garbage!”

    And then he says things like: “DOF and Bokeh do not depend on the sensor, but on the lens.”
    ..That alone clearly shows his knowledge of photography, or lack of it rather.

    As another comment said, he’s just like an Apple fanboy, here’s is why: “With the 16MP of the X-T1. And with the 24MP of the X-PRO2, I’ll get more than I deserve ? .”, “And if rumors are right, and the XF 33mmF1.0 will really come, than you better buy a Fuji for super-shallow depth of field!”, “Let’s see if the X-PRO2 will conquer this fortress… the Sony A7rII for sure doesn’t.”

    Lol. He’s comparing existing products to products in his fanboy wishlist, things that don’t exist and are only in his imagination.

    To his credit though, at the beginning of the article he clearly advises not to be taken seriously. He says: “I have a bit of spare time & and I’m slightly drunk at home”.

    Again, my criticism is not to the guy, but rather to this website. I’m a little disappointed, especially after reading here several times in the last few weeks how excited this site is about the supposedly soon to be announced APS-C Sony a series, because according to them, the next Fuji will be very similar to it.

    SAR, please remove that garbage!

    Thanks.

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    1. “DOF and Bokeh do not depend on the sensor, but on the lens.”

       Use the same sensor with different lenses and you have different DOF and bokeh (in fact, use different settings -aperture or focal length with zoom- of the same lens and DOF and bokeh are different). Then, He’s not really wrong…

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       1. No, the point is DOF relies on both sensor and lens. You can’t ignore the sensor size.

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          1. The point is you can get the same DOF delivered by the 85mmF1.8 on a FF sensor also on an APS-C sensor… just use the 56mmF1.2.

             The sensor size is not a limitation when it comes to DOF…. you just need the right lens

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             1. Correct, until you hit the limits of lens aperture, at which point the largest aperture lens on FF will achieve shallower DOF than the largest aperture lens on APS-C.

                The same applies in reverse as well, i.e. APS-C can achieve deeper DOF than FF at smallest apertures.

             2. Until that lens isn’t available 🙂 FF is currently unbeatable for the simple reason that it is the format with the most existing lenses. I imagine that is the reason for some to want a Fuji FF. Put a Voigtlander 50 1.1mm or 35mm 1.2 on FF and it is game over.

             3. or the IBELUX 0.85 for X-mount.

                Technically it’s possible also for APS-C

             4. Ah, forgot that one 🙂

             5. FF? “Let’s talk about that”
                FF vs ___
                https://fstoppers.com/gear/zack-arias-debunks-full-frame-crop-sensor-debate-26944

          2. Thanks Patrick, that’s exactly my opinion. About “bokeh” or “rendition of the out of focus area”, it’s all about the lens…

             DOF, is a combination of both sensor size and lens, but most of the time, you can achieve the same DOF with different sensor size using the adequate lens. (if you use a 85mm f/1.2, of course, it’ll be difficult to find the equivalent in APS-C land…).

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       2. In a way you’re both right: sensor size (or film size) determines the lens (for full sensor coverage.)

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50. CanonWatch wrote a very nice article “Is the Sony A7rII the most overhyped and overpriced camera of the year.” 😀 😀 😀 hahahahah nice article 😀 😀 hahahaha … stoped reading since there …

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    1. It is the most overhyped camera. The sensor is the only thing deserving of the hype. The camera on the other hand is the same old crippled crap from Sony. People should be hyped once Nikon gets the sensor for their 810 follow-up due to how much better the files come out of Nikon vs Sony’s. Now over priced…pretty sure Leica has that title locked down.

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    2. you should go beyond the title, and read that article. And the nice thing is, it covers bugs and quirks all reported also at SonyAlphaRumors 😉

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51. You also missed the Sony FE 28mm 2.0 which has both a wide angle and UWA converter to be 21mm 2.8 and 16mm 3.5.

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52. Patrick runs this site and he can say whatever he wants. This is Fuji territory so you won’t be expecting a sony’s eulogy, right? If you don’t like Patrick’s comments, who cares? I do appreciate his opinion, may I agree or don’t, this is a friendly chat spot, not dpreview or dxomark takeoff.

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    1. The same can be said for every comment here, given that they are permitted.

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53. So fanboyish, other *rumors blogs are much more unbiased.
    – why you start your with lenses? you review a camera. Following your logic M43 is much better than Fujifilm X because it has more primes available. And both systems are crap compared to Canikon, right? By the way Sony has 7 primes, not 4 and the system is one year younger.
    – it is possible to use 85/1.4 on Sony and get shallower depth of field if that matters so much to you
    – your 42MP critique sounds like Bill Gate’s “640K ought to be enough for anybody”, anybody who tried astrophotography or applies a lot of PP would tell you that more MP give you more room, cause it has more details and you can reduce noise by downsizing the image.
    – why you claim that in lens stabilization works better? Do you have any proof?
    – “Fujifilm listens” – by the way A7Rii fixed a lot of A7R problems isn’t that listening to customers?
    – “fuji colours” – who cares if we shoot RAW?
    – you prefer X-system maturity? And what would prefer flash-shooter or wild life shooter? Once again following this logic you should prefer Canikon
    – it’s always a stupid idea to compare cameras of different formats, considering your format the best (regardless it is m43, aps-c, 35mm, mf etc.) is even dumber

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    1. The point is, you are right. You are right when you say you don’t care about Colors, because you shoot RAW. You are right when you say you need 42MP for your type of phtoography. You are even right when you say it’s comparing apple to oranges. That’s why I said that different photographers with different needs will come to different conclusions. And that’s why I can’t compare the superior specs of the A7rII with the one of the X-T1. And that’s why my article does focus less on specs.

       With Fujifilm listens, I mean exactly that what SAR admin Andrea worte several times on SAR: Sony should look at Fuji to what belongs Firmware updates.

       There is no AF-lens that can match the 35mmF1.4. That was an error, and I updated the post. Anyway, 22 X-mount lenses with AF are remarkable for a 4 year young system. The flash should have been available in spring… damn Metz insolvency. In 2016, with the flash and the telephoto lenses, the system will be basically complete.

       OIS Vs. IBIS. From photographlife: Optically-stabilized lenses are more effective – while
       there is no science with clear examples behind this statement (at least
       that I know of), both Canon and Nikon argue that image stabilization can
       be fine-tuned and tweaked on individual lenses, which would make image
       stabilization more effective when compared to generic in-camera
       stabilization.

       If Fuji wasn’t here, I would still stay with Olympus probably. Because it has lenses etc etc…

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       1. All of the FE Zooms have IS… and the bodies with IBIS will use the lens’s IS if available… and when it is not available on the FE lens they use IBIS… so the argument that IS in the lens is better than IS in the body is a waste of breath…

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    2. “why you start your with lenses?”
       ==> Have you already try to take a picture with your body only ?

       “why you claim that in lens stabilization works better? Do you have any proof?”
       ==> no stabilization < Sony IBIS < Olympus IBIS quite subjective which one is the best but RAW format carries color information… You can tweak, use color profile… and lost your time post-processing.

       “it’s always a stupid idea to compare cameras of different formats”.
       ==> A camera is a camera. If I’m interested buying a new camera, it’s stupid not to compare ALL the options.

       To be honest, I really like A7RII (on paper) and I wish Fuji improve their bodies to match it 🙂

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       1. “Have you already try to take a picture with your body only ?”
          Straw man. There are Sony lenses.

          “no stabilization < Sony IBIS < Olympus IBIS < good in-lens stabilization. That's a known fact."

          Only concerning some focal lengths and the efficiency of stabilization (but not utility).

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          1. “Have you already try to take a picture with your body only ?”
             Straw man. There are Sony lenses.
             ==> Oh really ? I didn’t know ! You don’t buy a camera, you buy a system…

             “no stabilization < Sony IBIS < Olympus IBIS Don’t understand… The more efficient, the more useful, no ?
             I’d like IBIS in Fuji, could be interesting for 90mm or even 56mm. But stabilization in Fuji zooms beats Sony IBIS, that’s all.

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             1. “Oh really ? I didn’t know ! You don’t buy a camera, you buy a system…”
                > That is yet another argument.

                “Don’t understand… The more efficient, the more useful, no?”

                > I should’ve clarified. Pretty much all tests I’ve seen show that in-lens stabilization will only have an edge at very long focal lengths; and that difference won’t be huge. That is what I meant by efficiency.
                Apart from that aspect, there are others – it is generally better to have in-body, because every single lens is stabilized. Even if manufacturers put stabilization in every lens (which could potentially raise cost, introduce alignment issues etc. and which they aren’t doing anyway), the moment there is an improvement in technology, people would have to replace all of their lenses. So, the only people who would have real utility of the single advantage of in-lens stabilization would be some wildlife/sport shooters.
                Canon and Nikon simply took this direction because it is well suited to an OVF camera, Sony took it because they wanted smaller bodies with the NEX, Panasonic probably the same, which leaves Fuji. Maybe they know something I don’t.

             2. All of Sony’s Zooms have IS… that works in concert with IBIS… So IBIS allows IS on all lens put on the camera… and the Zooms have their own IS…. also all of Sony’s FE lenses are Dust and Water resistant… while only one Fuji lens is WR…. and from all reviews nearly all the Sony and Zeiss prime lenses and the 16-36 F4 and the 70-200mm F4 have excellent IQ… So frankly the whole lens discussion is a little bit silly…

             3. 16mm is WR
                90mm is WR
                35mmF2 (coming Very soon) is WR
                18-135 is WR
                16-55 is WR
                50-140 is WR

             4. I’ll give you everything but the 35F2 since its not out yet… but how about the fact that “All of Sony’s Zooms have IS… that works in concert with IBIS.” ? Any answer for that?

             5. the interesting thing about the 35F2 is that, IMO, it shows how Fuji already started to make a WR version of older lenses. They probably consider the lens line-up complete (with the telephoto lenses coming in 2016), so time to upgrade older lenses. It’s not a rumor, just a speculation for now, but the 35mmF2 WR could indicate that.

                About IBIS:

                It’s good that Sony lenses have Optical Image Stabilization (it works better than IBIS). So I’m happy about that.

                What I wanted to say is, that I feel good using OIS on my Fujinon lenses (with real 5 stop image stabilization, which is amazing). So, for now, I don’t need really need IBIS.

                But again, that’s my type of shooting. And you have to know, I’m some kind of “HARDLINER”, which means I prefer to use lenses specifically designed for a certain sensor/camera.

                Therefore, on a Fuji camera I almost exclusively use Fuji lenses, specifically designed for that APS-C X-Trans sensor, while in my Olympus times I put Olympus Zuiko Lenses on my Olympus cameras and so forth.

                In my opinion, everytime you put something (an adaper) between the sensor and the lens, image quality will suffer.

                That’s why I became a “hardliner”.

                That being said, IBIS is a Pro of the Sony A7rII, no doubt, and as I said in the article regarding the specs: Sony Wins.

                I probably would not really use adapted lenses that much, because I’m a “lens-hardliner”, so IBIS is not so important and I enjoy the OIS on my Fujinon zooms. But that’s just me

             6. Really? How is the 5 stop IS on the Fuji primes? You might be a hardliner in your words, but what you are is an idiot.

             7. On zooms, of course. My XF Primes are fast enough not to worry about my shaking hands

                That said. iBIS is a nice feature and a Pro of the Sony. It’s not a KO-criteria for me that Fujis don’t have it. But that’s just me.

             8. Of course!! When Fuji brings out IBIS it will be “OMG Amazeballs, Kaizen x1,000,000, aren’t Fuji the best!” But for now it’s just a spec because Sony has it and Fuji doesn’t.

                ITs nice that you like your camera better, it’s a bit of a disgrace that you feel the need to try and put down other manufacturers to try and make yourself feel better. Same with that clown (friend of yours) at Canon Watch.

             9. Who put Sony down? I said they boost innovation and win hands down for the best sensors and have terrific specs.

                Just said what I prefer on Fuji.

                And yes, if Fuji comes with IBIS we will be happy, because, as I said, it’s a nice addition. As of now, I don’t miss it in my daily shooting, but I’d like to have ir… as an option to have it’s always good

             10. I didn’t mean that Fuji lenses are better than Sony, I meant that lenses must be a part of the discussion (you chose a system, not just a body).

                 IS in lens + in body isn’t much more effective that IS in lens only. So you pay and you carry two redundant stabilization systems. IBIS is nice for non-stabilized and legacy lenses.
                 F4 zooms, that’s the problem… What the point of a full-frame body with F4 zooms ? You can achieve the same kind of result with an APS-C body and F2.8 zooms…
                 Fuji WR : 16, 90, 16-55, 50-140, soon 35… that’s not only one.

    3. “- “Fujifilm listens” – by the way A7Rii fixed a lot of A7R problems isn’t that listening to customers?”

       The customer has to sell the A7r and buy the 3500€ A7rII (in FR it’s 3500€…).
       X-T1 : the customer has to make a free firmware upgrade
       I’m exagerating a little, because of the physical changes of the A7rII over the A7r.
       But I would love the see some firmware updates that improves the software.
       The 4.0 firmware of the X-T1 seems to be a true major update. Am I mistaking ?

       Off the subject : anyone is aware of this bug ? Anytime I transfer videos (AVCHD) from my A7s/rII to the computer, they disapear after awhile…

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54. Patrick,

    Personally, IMO, etc

    I really enjoy the site, I enjoy Fuji X Forum, and I appreciate your efforts, and your opinion. I recently started using the XT-1, and once again thoroughly enjoy photography. The quality feel of the lenses, the colors, the mobility all make this a system I really enjoy. I have used both the A7s and the A7ii. Both, as you say, are terrific camera. IMO – they have a complex interface, and feel more like a computer with a sensor than a camera. I get very little joy from using them. Yes, I can get terrific images. But I get joy and terrific images from using the XT-1. So, like you, I opt for the XT-1. Sold both Sony’s. Not because they are inferior, but because I want to feel joy when capturing images.

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55. Such a long write-up of the Fuji system completely ignoring the biggest deficit video. Even trying to make 4K a Sony disadvantage because of overheating (for longer recordings)…

    While most Fuji users are propably mostly interested in still images the need for (good) video is growing among many types of photographers and is expected by consumers. Not having good standard video and lately 4K is a deal breaker for those who need it.

    With 24MP sensors coming for the next generation cameras Fuji is at a crossroad. Continue with X-trans, that propably is the reason for the lower quality video, or use a standard RGB filter, or some other solution, to at least be able to offer good enough standard and 4K video.

    It’s a choice between continue being a niche snob brand for still photographers or becoming a serious alternative for general use.

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    1. As far as I know, X-Trans is not responsible for Low Quality video. It’s just a problem of the processor, that is not able to process the X-Trans video output. So I powerful processor could sort out this issue.

       Video… I don’t care. And since I focused on what I prefer on Fujifilm over Sony, I did not consider that. But it’s written in the prologue: different needs, different systems.

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    2. I use my X-T1 for ‘general’ use, not only for still shootings and I am not a snob. I really don’t care which brand I buy. It’s just a very good camera and with the top quality lenses (16-55mm, 56mm, 55-200mm), the great software updates (AF!) ánd a very helpful helpdesk I am one very happy customer. That’s all..

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56. 56mm f1.2 APS-C does not have shallower DoF than an 85mm f1.8 135. They are about equal. You also got the number of prime lenses wrong. I just skimmed from there… Fuji makes a great system but I think the fun argument is pretty weak.

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    1. yep, they have the same DOF… which is what I said in the article.

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57. It is indeed overhyped. I’m eagerly waiting for the hype to go away to enjoy my cam a little more.

    I don’t find it crippled at all and I don’t even think that it’s about a point of view. You exagerate a little maybe 😉

    I like many cameras. Why can’t we like a few cameras? Is there monogamy in photography or something?

    Anyways, I didn’t want to start yet another camera discussion…just wanted to give you a “haha, laughed at you last sentence :)”

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58. Nice of you to say that. I have also started a blog and I find that people are very very aggressive in the internet comment world. It’s hard to live with that. For me at least.

    There’s also no room for mistakes. They expect you to be a robot. And often people who got the “guts” to comment publicly are very negative people.

    So, i find it pretty cool what you wrote to patrick.

    Cheers

    Yannick

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59. Nice!. My friends are trying to kill me now as they are aware I am on Fuji camp and not Sony camp (I was there trying to get them to buy Sony and they jumped the boat which I did not LOL)

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60. An article written by a Fuji fan boy! Fun indeed!!

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    1. proud to be a Fuji Fan Boy 😉

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       1. If you are happy nothing else matters. 🙂

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          1. true…. you know… life is short. You better have fun, that matters 😉

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61. Glad you’re happy with your choice of Fujifilm… Me, I sold my X-T1 and all my Fuji lenses for the A7rII and frankly I couldn’t be happier…

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    1. And I’m glad to hear you are happy with your choice

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62. Patrick – Did you actually read the blog “42 MP of Garbage”? He was not referring to the Sony sensor as being garbage. He used his A7RII to shoot photos at the garbage dump in Antigua. He actually liked the A7RII (although he had an issue with one of his lenses). It documented the sad state of affairs of the people and the garbage dump. You need to correct this in your review.

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63. Have you actually used the camera? I don’t think you have if think its “Old Crippled Crap from Sony”… I have a D810 and I have the A7rII and just sold my XT-1 …. The A7rII has solved my GAS… this is a fantastic camera for me… you might want to actually try it….

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64. I wouldn’t buy either one. Neither can handle the type of shooting that I do which requires large lenses and fast, accurate, reliable autofocus. Mirrorless cannot serve that need yet, and who knows if it ever will. People who advocate dumping dslrs for these mirrorless cameras are still life shooters. If you want to shoot sports or reportage, forget them. Long live Sony’s a-mount. I can’t wait for the imminent announcement of the a99ii which I am expecting will kick the doors off both of these cameras (at least for what I need).

    P.S. I can’t say anything disparaging about the Sony a7rii on sonyalpharumors because that gets in the way of Andreas’ self-serving, non-stop promotion of the a7rii, so he blocked me. Basically, Andreas doesn’t know anything except how to schill for Sony e-mount. God forbid that he could actually come up with some real reliable information about what is going on inside of Sony before it actually happens. Sony is clearly in the midst of launching the a99 replacement but all you hear on Sony Alpha Rumors is what a transcendental camera the a7rII is. (I’m surprised that somehow you don’t get that. Watch it . . . Andreas will block you too if given half a chance.) As a consequence, Sony Alpha Rumors is just a place where e-mount users get to reassure themselves that their cameras are wonderful and everyone else gets blocked. Clearly Andreas is not from a place which values freedom of speech (unless of course you want to flame a mount users, in which case he is totally on board.) What a worthless waste of time that site has become.

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    1. Brian, I sympathize with you!

       Andreas blocked every post I wrote about the 16 million Minolta Maxxum lenses in circulation and large the Minolta/Sony A-mount following is.

       There’s a whole other site dedicated to A-mount users you should sign up for if you’re not on there already: http://www.dyxum.com/

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       1. Good to hear from you. I would ask you how you got back on, but I’m not sure I want to spend any time there. I can’t deal with all the irrational crazies at sonyelphahype and the pied-piper of all things e-mount, Andreas the Hun.

          I do follow you, however, and saw the collective reaction to today’s rumor that Sony is updating two of its a-mount primes, which only adds to the mounting evidence that Sony is about to announce production of a new kick-a$$ a99ii. (Proving his worthlessness, Andreas the Hun has absolutely no information to share about this.)

          This is, of course, difficult to rationalize for the a7rii crowd who, like jealous stepchildren, apparently find it necessary to tear down and prematurely (and continuously) announce the death of their older and more accomplished sister (or brother) i.e., a-mount, because they view it as a threat to the legitimacy of their precious little e-mounts. (Its really funny to see that same insecurity in the comments over here by some of the same irrational e-mount crazies.)

          I was bemused reading some of their comments, e.g., “Sony is updating these lenses for e-mount” (even though they won’t natively fit on an e-mount camera), or “A-mount is dead” (sure . . . like Sony is going to invest the money to update lenses for a camera system that it plans to kill) and Sony should sell these lenses with an e-mount adaptor (like any one really wants to spend $1500 to $2000 on a lens that can only be used with an adaptor).

          Keep up the good fight. I will look into your suggestion about dyxum.com, and pretty soon I think we will be comparing notes on how our new a99ii’s are working for us out in the field. Its going to be an interesting day on Sonyelphahype when the a99ii is announced. All those crazies over there are going to look pretty silly. But I can predict their two themes already: (1) the a7rii is a better camera (just because); (2) a-mount is still dead. Sony is just appeasing a-mount owners to make more money off them before finally killing a-mount, and this will be the last a-mount camera ever produced. You can bet on it.

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          1. Check your email from DISQUS.

             I just replied with my contact info as well, but had to delete it here for obvious reasons! Let me know if it didn’t go through and I’ll post to you again on here!

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       2. News to me.

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65. There is nothing subjective about megapixels. Everything else being equal, more megapixels is better.

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66. haha this has generated quite a lot of comment ‘activity’.

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67. “Zeiss Batis 85mm f/1.8. (FYI, Fuji has 12 X-mount primes with AF available)
    Well, with NONE of these Full Frame E-mount primes you will get a shallower DOF than with the Fuji XF 56mmF1.2!”

    Yes you do, with 85/1.8. Slightly so, but still. 😉

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    1. if I multiply the 1.2 aperture by the APS-C crop factor (1.5) I get an aperture of 1.8 (1.2×1.5=1.8). So a 1.2 lens on ASP-C is the same as a 1.8 on Full Frame.

       the 56mm1.2 (84mmF1.8 equiv) will give you the same DOF of the Batis 85mmF1.8

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       1. Yes also 5-10ft further back.

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       2. And you have chosen the only focal length(s) in the 2 line up which allow the Fuji one to have the same DOF because of… what?

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       3. Almost the same. 85>84. 🙂

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68. sure, I’ve read it. Actually I was very interested, since I’ve worked 5 weeks in the biggest waste disposal site of central america (Managua – Nicaragua) a few years ago… giving foods to kids, making magics, cleanig toilets and that stuff. So actually this article was more interesting for the story he was telling, rather than the parts regarding the Sony A7rII

    Anyway, I’ve found it a nice play of words. But, in order to avoid misunderstandings, I’ve changed it.

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69. I shot the x-t1 for a while and loved it but for landscapes the a7r is simply better. More detail, more dynamic range and yes even better color. Now I have the a7r II and i love it even more. It has the quality of the a7r but but with the speed and evf of the xt-1. It’s by far the best camera i’ve ever owned. I love fuji and what they stand for but i love sony even more.

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70. You missed the 28f2 lens as well.

    Very stupid and biased article. Waste of time.

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    1. you never used a Fuji, right?

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71. I went from an X-PRO1 to X100S to A7II. The only thing I don’t like about the A7II is it’s loud shutter sound compared to the X-PRO1 and X100. Otherwise this is a beast of a camera and the glass is great.

    – 1/8000 shutter
    – Tilt LCD
    – Awesome EVF (who needs an OVF with an EVF like this?). I never knew EVF’s could be this enjoyable to use. I’ve only used EVF’s in the X-PRO1 and X100S.
    – IBIS
    – Dynamic Range
    – Higher ISO (and very usable)
    – 24MP
    – Full Frame

    “Fujifilm listens to the needs of photographers”

    I agree 100%. But I’ve felt Sony is hellbent on being disruptive to the industry, keeping all the other brands on their toes. Sony keeps taking risks, releasing awesome cameras (RX1, A7’s, RX100’s, etc). They’re really trying to make big moves in the high quality compact segment.

    I appreciate what both Fuji and Sony have done in the last 3+ years. But I like the direction Sony is moving in (more so than Fuji). Both offer great systems and the tools necessary for us photographers to make compelling images. Respect to both brands! I look forward to owning another Fuji camera one day.

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72. Patrick, I think you should try A7RII at least for few weeks. Use the camera side by side with fujifilm camera you prefer. Shoot at various outdoor and indoor condition and even in a studio. Upload the images without post processing it, so all readers in fujiromurs can participate to download and judge the images . And if the fujifilm pictures come out better than A7RII, I consider to sell all my sony gears and stay with fujifilm XT-1 that I have. FYI I own the XT-1 for almost a year and love it, but there are some aspect that I think my sony A7S better than my XT-1, at least that my experience after using both for almost a year. Regards.

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73. http://www.syopt.com/en/product/photo-lenses-135mm-F2.0-ED-UMC.php

    The reviews on Internet tell that this one is better than the (rather old) Canon 135L one.

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74. I’d like to test it again. Especially to test it in good light, see how AF works. It should be considerably better. Maybe in excellent light conditions it could be a useful camera also for sports… in lower light it’s not. DSLR is still the way to go here for ultimate performance

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    1. Thanks for your honest review. I only don’t understand why are you suddenly jumping from comparing Sony vs. Fuji to Sony vs. DSLR when you are talking about AF. It’s not fair. Nobody claimed that mirrorless AF is on the same level with DSLRs now, at least concerning the speed – there are different opinions in the web to it’s accuracy tough.

       And bokeh? C’mon – it’s so individual taste, you can’t just state it like a measurable standard: Fuji’s is better…

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       1. My AF test is limited to low light. So it’s not really complete. If I should judge the Sony from it’s low light AF performance, I’d say I’d happily stay with Fuji, since there is no speed boost worth of a $3000 price tag.

          But to really judge the performance, I should have tested it with sunlight. In this case I’d have had a more complete idea of Sonys AF.

          And since my AF test was limited, all I can say for sure, is that it doesn’t match the one of DSLRs in low light… and neither is Fuji.

          Bokeh is subjective. And thats what I wanted to say: With full frame you don’t necessarily shallower DOF or better bokeh. It depends on the lens and on the personal taste. I added admiringhlight as an example, and also because it’s a nice portait lenses compaison

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75. Derp derp…

    Lets compare lenses, especially as you seem to have forgotten a few, Sony has the following equivalents to Fuji lenses in AF primes:

    12mm f2.3 Fisheye
    14mm f1.8
    16mm f1.3
    18mm f1.3
    23mm f1.8
    23mm f0.95
    25mm f2
    28mm f2
    35mm f2.8
    35mm f1.4
    37mm f1.2
    55mm f1.8
    56mm f1.2
    60mm f1.8 1:1 Macro
    85mm f1.8
    90mm f2.8 1:1 Macro

    Vs Fuji’s:

    12mm f2.8
    14mm f2.8
    16mm f1.4
    18mm f2
    23mm f1.4
    27mm f2.8
    32mm f1.8
    35mm f1.4
    50mm f2.8 1:1 Macro
    56mm f1.2
    60mm f2.4
    90mm f2

    In a system that is less than 2 years old.

    Wake me up when Fuji stops repackaging the same tired hardware in new shells with the firmware they should have had from the start and calling it innovation.

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76. “Soul”, “I’m in love with this camera” and similar are very subjective statements.
    I’ve tried the XE-1 and it wasn’t joy to use for me.
    I am now A7II and Loxia 35 user and I couldn’t be any happier.
    I’ve been used a DSLR for almost 10 years, and the A7 II actually bring me back passion for photography again…
    Best Regards

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77. What I find interesting is both Fuji rumors and Cannon rumors feel the need to dis the Sony A7rmII. If it wasn’t a game changer then I doubt they would care. So the actions of these two have proved the status of the Sony as Game Changing.

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    1. It’s funny that I have read Canon and. FUJI rumours first time ever because they both talking about Sony A7RII.

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78. Horses for courses. I switched from the X-Pro1 to a Nikon D600 because I live or die by dynamic range, and the D600 has more.

    But the X-Pro is a better camera. The Nikon feels like a computer; it’s good now, but in a few years it’ll be obsolete. I’m half hoping the X-Pro2 is really, really good. I still have my 18-55, just in case….

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79. I really like fuji 2-3 years ago but i switched to sony. I stop waiting for the Xpro2 next new sensor release and bought the a7ii earlier this year. Aside from the full frame advantage. Sony is clearly making better mirrorless camera now with lots of features. I like the a7ii a lot and looking upgrade to the a7rii with more pixel better dynamic range later this year.

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    1. Sony CLEARLY wins in one point (which is also important for me personally): Video (and hybrid operation).

       Fuji is still suffering from Moiré and Aliasing problems. Let´s hope they will also fix that with the X-PRO 2 (and the sure also not that much later upcoming X-T2 with the same sensor). Then Fuji is for sure an option again for MANY “sony people” (or all out there which are still not sure what to get as an good “hybrid camera”).

       Nowadays also good video is essential – Especially for system cameras. ^^

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80. X-T1 vs A7rII?
    The X-T1 is more affordable. And I *do* like the Velvia color, but not a huge fan of shooting film.
    So, I’ll pick the X-T1.

    Easy choice, huh? 😀

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    1. I shoot Sony so not familiar with Fuji so my question is: Is this velvia colour applied in RAW or only on JPEG?

       Thanks!

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       1. JPEG only. RAW by definition is the “un-processed” image data. LR6 can apply any of the Fuji film profiles in post.

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          1. I see, that’s what I thought. So if I shoot only RAW then I won’t benefit from the supposed Fuji colours advantage right?

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             1. You get the different rendering of colours already through the X-Trans CMOS sensor (so also in RAW). It´s not only a “profile” you can throw over any RAW file to get the same result (if you thought of that) ^^.

                Also the noise is different (more like film grain) – PLUS: Vintage lenses are also WAY more usable (1st you only use them in APS-C crop – So in their “sweet spot” and secondly the X-Trans CMOS also seems to be more “forgiving” according optical errors of vintage glass – Purple fringing and chromatic abberations are for example lower than on other camera systems.)

81. Well well…here I am, on the Fuji rumors website. Never thought I’d see the day. This XPRO1 is starting to intrigue me and this review– pretty interesting. Hmmm, should I come over to the dark side and see what’s in the fuji sauce? Just might do that.

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    1. I have to warn you: the Fuji sauce is potentially addictive 😉

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82. Wow this article is incredibly biased. The fuji is not more “fun”. It does not have more “soul”. You’re basing those feelings on the general public’s view of fuji as a less popular, more hipster company with film-era looking cameras. Sony cameras beat Fuji cameras in almost every aspect. Probably the only area Fuji wins is its lens selection, especially compared to Sony’s APS-C lens selection, which pretty much sucks. But that gap will grow narrower as time goes on.

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83. Unfortunately the Fujifilm service in the Netherlands I experienced is really bad. The Fujifilm X system was my favorite system. To many problems. Sold most of my gear. Only did keep the X T1 + 18-55 and Pro1 + 35mm. And bought the a7rII as main camera. The menu system of Sony sucks. But the dynamic range of the Sony is incredible. For my self IQ wise for landscapes I more impressed with the Sony.

    For my self soled/selling the X100T, 18, 27, 56, 60, 16-55, 10-24, 50-140, 55-200, Zeiss 50

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84. Hm, I own both and I can’t agree with all of this.

    There are definitely areas I love the Fuji more; prime lens lineup – although I disagree about the 55 1.8, it’s clearly one of the best lenses I’ve ever owned, and that’s Fuji and Leica notwithstanding – looks, split RF patch for MF, some ergonomics, and yes, I do believe more ‘soul’ and ‘passion’!

    Now that Sony fixed the RAW compression issue, the Sony RAW files are far more malleable than Fuji’s current sensor allows – they contain far greater DR, much cleaner shadows to bring up when ETTR, far greater resolution, and have no problems at all demosaicing or sharpening (no ‘watercolour effect’). But yes, I feel of it as more a technical tool than something I’m passionate and proud about owning and shooting – it does a job and it does it very, very competently. Sorry, AF is far superior with native lenses on the Sony, particularly C-AF, face and eye detect.

    Sony is far superior at video. If that matters at all.

    To me right now they are different tools for different jobs. Sony excels at landscape. Fuji I prefer for urban and some travel.

    This would swing wildly over to Fuji’s side if they suddenly unveiled a sensor with DR to match the Sony and no RAW processing issues.

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    1. All cameras are good in general but how good a camera can be depends on the person who is really behind devices.

       Sony FF will be better for landscape… heh the crop factor on APS-C sensor does sometime made it not idea for those super wide coverage,

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