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UPDATE: The very first Nokton 10,5mm f/0.95 MFT lenses are in Stock in USA via [shoplink 53940 ebay]CameraQuest eBay (Click here)[/shoplink]
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The E-M1 sells for incredibly low $779 only at the [shoplink 53933 ebay]Canadian Store Prodigital on eBay (Click here)[/shoplink]. This is no grey imported or refurbished camera! It’s a brand new camera with 1 year warranty!
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With price cuts like this a sign of the E-M1 Mark II showing up soon?
It would be nice if the E-M1II showed up soon (especially because Sony’s announcement a couple of days ago is so tempting!) although I doubt they will be announcing the camera until 2016.
I wish. I just want the EM1 to have much better video codecs/bitrate and faster/better AF (particularly video), and I’d buy one. The Sony A7000 may be what I end up with if its IBIS is as good as Olympus’s.
There’s not going to be A7000.
As for E-M1 successor, I’m sure Olympus will up their game when it comes to video, I just hope they’ll concentrate more on improving video quality instead of playing numbers game. And I fully expect the best AF performance in mirrorless world. The EVF will most likely be brought to a whole new level as well.
But we’ll have to wait another 8 months or so to find out.
EVF from Epson with 4,4 mil. dots is possible. I also expect a new version of AF system. The crucial question is what they will do with battery life… The E-M5 (360 shots), the E-M5 II (310 shots), Sony A7R II (290 shots) – this is insane.
And if the new sensor is indeed going to be the 20mpx one from Sony, both AF and EVF may greatly benefit, as this sensor is capable of much faster readout. So, not only less blackout when shooting bursts, but more time for AF to work in between shots. And likely less problems with rolling shutter.
Sure there will be an A7000 (or A6100) probably announced within the next couple of months. Now what it will be is anyone’s guess, but it seems likely it will incorporate IBIS and high bitrate video including 4K. I wouldn’t be surprised to see >A6000 focus performance, either.
The EM1 2 should be able to have great AF performance as the sensor size isn’t that far from the Nikon 1 (which does have great AF). From what I’ve read, AF becomes more difficult the larger the sensor is.
I presently have an EM5. I keep my Sony A55 around for AF and video. Photo quality on the EM5 is fine for me. I wish it had better AF, particularly in video where it hunts constantly to the point of being useless. The video quality is great if the scene moves very slowly but any panning destroys detail. I also want a grip and prefer a flip out LCD.
The original EM1 doesn’t solve all of these problems (particularly the video quality) well enough for me to buy it. I’m hoping my next camera is one that will pretty much last me 10-20 years or more as I think we’ve just about reached the point where I’m satisfied. By that time, our cell phones will likely be shooting close to present DSLR quality/DOF anyway (my guess is that they’ll have 4 sensors placed some distance apart to get the DOF).
The body itself (Axxxx) is only one half of the whole. What about lenses for E-mount? This is what put me off from E-mount.
This is indeed the hard part, but easier for me because I don’t need much.
m43:
Olympus 12-40 2.8 as my quality glass (waiting to see if I end up with an EM1 or a Sony)
20 1.7 and 12-42X pancakes as my hiking glass (presently own).
Olympus 40-150 — My telephoto presently and I probably would use an adapter for some old 80-200 f/4 lens. What I dislike about m43 is the high cost of glass to get thin DOF…. much easier/cheaper to pull off with APSC/FF sensors. I do like how small/light the 40-150 is — that’s unparalleled.
FF Emount (my #2, but the A7rII will probably be out of my league for 2 years and I’m not sure the focus speed will still be what I’m looking for. I DO NOT WANT TO START A DEBATE, but for my purposes, FF 5.6 == m43 2.8 since DOF should be roughly equivalent and a high end FF sensor should be close to two stops more sensitive than a high end m43 sensor. If this is off by a stop sensitivity-wise, I don’t really care):
28-70 f3.5-5.6 “quality” glass. I would figure this would be similar to my present 17-70 f2.8-f4 Sigma lens on my A55
20mm f2.8 and 16-50mm pancakes in APS crop mode for walkaround/hiking
Telephoto does suck in particular with the FF Emount. I’d probably use an LEA adapter on an older lens, perhaps the same 80-200 f/4 above in FF and/or crop mode or the 55-210 in crop mode
A6/7xxx Emount (basically, same rules above, APS f/4 == m43 f/2.8)
Either the 16-70 F/4 or 18-105 f/4 lens for quality glass
20mm f2.8 and 16-50mm pancakes for walkaround/hiking
55-210 4.5-6.3 and probably still some sort of adapter for old cheaper 80-200/4 glass.
If you do the price comparisons on these three groups, you get close to the same pricing, close to the same capabilities, and close to the same size/weight. There are some differences (notably telephoto on m43), but it’s not THAT dissimilar. I was actually surprised when I discovered that a Sony A7II + the 28-70 f/3.5-5.6 was actually the same size/weight as an Olympus EM1 + the 14-40/2.8 lens. Since I don’t tend to shoot telephoto, I’d much rather have the A7II straight up (all else being equal, which it’s not) because I can get thin DOF much more easily (50mm 1.8 has half the DOF on FF as a 25mm 1.8 does on m43 costs about the same as the 20mm 1.7 — longer older used lenses + mf adapters are much cheaper than Rokinon MF glass).
So that being said, yes, Emount is limiting and overpriced on lenses. However, there is just enough to make it worth it for me because I don’t need that much. I do wish Sigma would get more in the game with Emount as Sony tends to give deals on the bodies and have overpriced lenses.
Possibly. Olympus did say they planned to release it next year, but may release it this fall depending on how the competition looks. More and more, I think the mark II is coming in time for Christmas.
Incredible deal. I’ve been holding off on picking up the E-M1 until it had dropped below $800, and I’ve just ordered one with your link. Was expecting to pick it up refurbished, happy that it is not. Thanks for posting about this!
On another note for those interested but not sure if they should pick up this camera or the E-M5II, I actually previously owned the E-M5II and found it uncomfortable to shoot with larger lenses like the 12-40 and 75. Hoping the E-M1 is more comfortable to hold with it’s larger grip.
E-M1 ergonomics are very good vs E-M5 II needs the HLD-8G grip to feel more secure in hand in my opinion.
The EM1 has great out of the box handling. The EM5 II just feels cramped.
If only Olympus would do something about their awful menu system…
It is awful…but you get used to it and it stops being an issue…plus the cameras are soooooo customizable that once you set the whole thing up for your needs ((time consuming, but really great!) you really do not have to use the menu very much.
Did those E-M1’s fall off the back of a truck? That seems too good to be true
Still to expensive for M43 camera. Sony A7 FF camera could be bought for 900.
Have you shot with this camera and the A7? I have used both and the A7’s only advantage is low light performance, but lacks lenses that take full advantage of that performance like the 75mm 1.8 (150mm 1.8)
Don’t forget the AF speed difference too. I just shot with an A7R on 3 different Sony lenses. I have no idea how people can deal with AF that freaking slow.
Is it really that much slower? The sensor is so enticing in that camera…at least all of the reading and marketing touts it as the best. The new a7RII sounds like is might have much improve focus, faster and with phase detection.
The obvious problem with that system (looking afar from my position on a MFT website, LOL!), is the huge lenses, most of them slow aperture, too.
There are some very good ones apparently, and it is getting better, but I still have not made the leap. I have a FF system, too.
I have never used or even held one of the Sony’s but it seems to be unbalanced to me….like, if I want to use my FF for better thin DOF or higher rez…. I go there and use it. The camera body seems balanced with the lenses.
I think the files from the Sony look fantastic though..and I guess the a7RII will be unbelievable…but from a handling, focus and lens standpoint I am still not convinced. I will keep my Oly’s and my Canon gear and fantastic lenses for now…
The A7-series are pretty compelling. The lenses, decidedly NOT. I’d prefer an A7s with more resolution. Have you heard what the file size is from an A7r II?
For me, I’d just buy a pile of adaptors for all my film lenses… 20mm to 300mm… Nikon, Voigtländer, Pentax and Olympus… and call it a day. ?
No…don’t know the file size…I am sure it’s a whopper!
Well, not the only advantage. The a7 is narrower, thinner and lighter. So when you’re tired of lugging around the bulky Olympus all day long, you might reach for the svelte mirror less sony.
It isn’t narrower thinner and lighter with a lens on it!!! LMAOFOTF!
then go buy A7.
I just ordered a Voigtlander 10.5mm. I could be wrong about this, but I think If you order directly from the CameraQuest website (not eBay), you receive a free B+W clear Nano filter and free overnight shipping via USPS. I do not see the free extras on the eBay page linked above. The price is $1 more on the CameraQuest website. The extras were worth $1 to this photographer.
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Okay, you bit the proverbial bullet. I’ll be curious to hear your impressions.
I’ll probably sell my SLR Magic 12mm T1.6 to help fund a 10.5mm. A Nikon 20mm f2.8 was my favorite film lens, so 10.5mm will be close enough, but way faster!
I’ve bought all my Voigtländers from CameraQuest, except one. Great, fast service. No hassles.
Yeah…amazing service…I bought mine late afternoon today and I am supposed to receive it MONDAY! They also have the best price on the web with a US warranty. I am buying this on faith based on my recent purchase of the Nokton 25mm. People can say what they want, but that lens produces a “look”. I usually wait to read reviews, but Camera Quest has a no-question-asked return policy for 30 days…so I can take it for a through test drive at no risk. I think 21mm is maybe my favorite focal length. I had a Zeiss for my Canon …great lens! I am expecting similar quality here stopped down a couple of stops.
Moderator is incorrect – warranty is a Canadian warranty (as Prodigital will confirm if you ask them), so USA or international buyers beware if you need to get your gear fixed under warranty.
Aside from that the shop has a good reputation.
How does it compare to Fujifilm APSC 16mm f1.4 – US$1000, with auto-focus and weather-resistant design.
The Fuji is less usefull. It does not fit on my micro 4/3 camera bodies?
Found these images here….they are a little more telling than some I have seen.
https://news.mapcamera.com/KASYAPA.php?itemid=27862
I am even less demanding than you it seems 🙂 I dont use anything above 100mm. I prefer primes. When cycling/travelling I use only one FL and it works 🙂
Remark: and dont forget to compare flash systems for each system. It counts too and costs a lot. In the end portability is the key feature for me. Cheers
By A7000, people generally mean pro-grade body, positioned above A6000, which is clearly a mid-range offering. That’s not going to happen. Sony does not need A7000, in the same way Nikon does not need D400. Sure, there might be a camera named A7000, but it will just be an update to A6000, it won’t be what people seem to be waiting for.
For those users that want a pro-grade mirrorless body, Sony has A7 line, with the original A7 serving as the affordable entry point into the system.
I really don’t know why people even wait for A7000 to come. I mean, it’s clear that Sony abandoned APS-C version of E mount, which now only serves to capture the low-end consumer market and lure enthusiasts into E mount to up-sell FE to them in the future. And why would anyone invest in a pro-grade body knowing full well that there will be no new pro-grade lenses for it (or any serious lenses at all)?
That is a rather unusual requirement (pro-grade APSC) for an A7000-branded body. Sony has never had a pro-grade APSC camera, but they have had an NEX-7 series.
NEX-3 = A3000
NEX-5 = A5000
NEX-6 = A6000
NEX-7 = ….
It seems likely that the next APSC E-mount camera will be named the A7000. It may be more sturdily built, but probably not to your pro-grade standards. I think I treat my gear better than pros as I’ve never felt my equipment wasn’t solid, and I buy fairly mid-range gear…. Nikon D50, D80, Sony A55, Olympus EM5. The only thing I appreciate is weatherproofing, but even then, I try to keep my gear out of water.
So I think you’ll need to be the one to adjust, not me. Perhaps you should focus on “pro APSC E mount” rather than a specific model # that will probably one day happen even if it doesn’t meet your expectations.