Digicameinfo spotted the name of two new Panasonic MFT and one superzoom fixed lens camera. The Wi-Fi alliance officially registered the new products. As reported on 43rumors we expect the G7 to be announced around May 19-20. The GX8 will be announced a couple of months later. Not sure yet when the FZ300 is coming.
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category is routers…
I wonder what is the user experiencewhen taking photos with a router 🙂
I gonna try it immediately, just imagine savings, if it works. And I don’t care about ibis and evf , which my 30 dollar router don’t have.
Wi-Fi
So no DFD in G7 then I wait for GX-8. seems I’ve had this before…. many times…and bought very little because of it.
Don’t worry , GX8 surely have DFD .
If not , means Pana will going to dump DFD soon & replace it with another new function .
If GX8 has DFD then it surely won’t have 4K, because that would threaten sales of the GH4. Now that I think about it, Panasonic from now on could give its flagship GH camera all the features, then spread them around in the lower-end lines (4K/audio input in G7, DFD/IBIS in GX8).
No .
GH & GX are 2 different type of cameras that aimed for different users .
GX8 will have 4K & DFD .
Video-wise there are tons of parameters you can tweak to differentiate the products. For one, the number of ports and connectors, second codecs, bitrates etc. Unfortunately, you have to expect that Pana will “cripple” the GX8 this way.
Either Panasonic makes DFD work with all m43 autofocus lenses, or they introduce something new. I hate it when Pana and Oly sabotage the idea of the “open system” to “protect” their own products.
Agreed .
We will see how Pana going to settle the moving objects capturing issue .
DFD or something new again ?
Hopefully it can achieve something similar with a6000 detection , the only thing I like about a6000 .
Title is wrong, FZ300 not FZ3000.
So likely a lower end product to the FZ1000, hopefully it still has 4K too
Likely a replacement for the FZ200
GX8 will it have IBIS like GX7; or better or dropped? 4k a given what else?
Listed as router because they can act as one I assume
Not only as a router, also as tablet e-reader and camera. As they do with many other wifi cameras.
If it has 4K my guess would be that IBIS is out which explains why Panasonic has been pushing so many new lenses with stabilization ahead of its release
Finally the GX8
Looks like GX8 is on the horizon .
Hopefully it will have something that worth for upgrading , not just minor improvements .
The current GX7 is a well done product & it’s successor need to carry on that spirit as well .
Another 1 stop improvement in DR & ISO performance would be what I expect here .
Nope. But it will have the 4K video!
4K not sufficient enough for upgrading .
Still Imaging Quality always GX selling point , not 4K .
I agree.
Not sure the GX8 will have 4K video.
Definitely GX8 will have 4K for sure or even better .
But Still Imaging is always GX priority than anything else .
GX8 with the new Sony 20MP m4/3 sensor?
Sony 20MP 4/3 sensor is for RX100 M4 I believe .
Not for Pana or even Olympus .
BS
It’s all conjecture at this point.
Pana surely wants to avoid using 3rd party sensors if possible. But yeah, the GX8 needs a new sensor, otherwise there’s not much to entice upgrading or new customers.
GX8!!!
Weather sealed, bigger evf, a little more compact but deeper grip, super fast autofocus!!!
Please introduce a new range of weather sealed primes 🙂
Agree with most of your requests, but Panasonic does ‘super fast autofocus’ at least since the GF3. The GX7 is the only camera I own that can nail focus in a split second even in pitch darkness, with no misfocus or hunting ever.
Yes, it’s surprisingly fast, even in Silent Mode with the AF focus light disabled.
I just got a 12-40mm and have been very surprised with the low-light focus abilities. The 12-40mm is amazingly fast to focus.
The only autofocus lens I used with it was the 20mm and while it always nailed focus, it’s slow as shiit! I’m faster with my manual lenses. ?
Please NOT more compact. It borders on too small now.
Remember, the GX7 is a flagship camera. Want small? Get a GM5.
A deeper, taller grip, shutter release shifted on top of the grip. Microphone jack!
I find GX7 focus speed just great – would appreciate mic input definitely.
Agree, don’t mind taller. Was mainly referring to width. An optional vertical grip would be awesome. With autofocus, I was referring to continuous.
Mirrorlessrumors says the GX8 should have “a completely new kind of sensor”.
Is it true?
It might be the first X-Trans m4/3 sensor.
They say: “completely new kind”.
X-trans is not new.
Organic sensor perhaps?
You just gave Yun a woody… ?
I sure hope not. X-Trans is a huge liability…
X-Trans is the color filter array, not the sensor. Anyway, I don’t think Panasonic wants to support two different image processing engines. And X-Trans is proprietary, I can’t see them paying Fuji to license it.
Fujifilm calls it “X-Trans CMOS sensor”…… How do you call it?
Then you are right about image processing but there is a partnership between Panasonic and Fujifilm…. That’s why in my opinion it is possible that Panasonic could make X-Trans sensors.
http://www.43rumors.com/ft3-organic-sensor-panasonic-in-charge-of-production-in-change-of-fujis-technology/
I was hoping for a GX8 sensor without the AA filters.
I hope it has better battery life (the GX7’s is terrible), and an EVF that is both a bit bigger, and has a slightly higher eye point. I don’t suffer from the coloured ‘tearing’ effect some people complain about with the GX7, but the EVF is quite fatiguing to use. Otherwise, assuming the GX8 isn’t worse than the GX7 in any department, it’s going to be a great camera.
You’re right! The GX7’s battery life is atrocious!
I just picked up a 12-40mm for an upcoming trip to Morocco and have been shooting with it exclusively to get a feel for it and get used to autofocus. I kept track and got MAYBE 150 shots on one charge. That blows! Now I’ll have to get more batteries and an extra charger for the trip. 3 batteries and one charger won’t do it!
A bigger grip for a higher capacity battery for the GX8 is a MUST!
I just spent 3 wks in Cuba. Took 3 backup batteries. Thank god I did! Was necessary for peace of mind.
wow the battery is that bad? Looks like I’ll have to pick up a few once I get the Gx7 here in a month or so.
EVF and IBIS require a lot of juice … but yeah, the battery life got worse since the GF1.
EVF not that much…
To save battery life you can use the EVF only.
I travel with a couple of extra batteries, just par for the course. I get at least a couple of hundred shots/charge, less if I’m shooting RAW – go figure. Luckily you can get 2 perfectly fine batteries and a charger on Amazon for 21 bucks – haven’t noticed any lower performance from the clones as compared to authentic Lumix batteries.
hopefully ,it has battery grip ,1st of lumix RF style(look back L1)
Excellent!
Now I can finally sell my GH2, GX1/LVF2 and give my girlfriend my GX7!
How much for the girlfriend?
Not for sale! It took too many years of tireless searching to find this one. She’s a keeper! ?
🙂 So…. sometimes it’s not about new sensors. 😉
Really waiting for GX-8, I hope it will have more better features then GX-7 and coming X-Pro2 and Sony A6100/7000.
GX-8 for me:
1). 20-21MP new sensor without AA
2). Wider DR + absolutely clean 3200iso! with very good 6400iso
3). Bigger and improved EVF
4). Improved IBIS (true 4-5 stops)
5). High Resolution Mode (hey, big landscape prints!)
6). Weather sealed
7). Faster AF with improved AF-C
8). Deeper & higher grip with shutter release button placed on it + front dial + iso button on top
9). Thumb rest
10). 5 Fn button placed at front – close forefinger
11). All 5 Fn buttons + front & back dials fully configurable (with ANY camera feature)
12). C4 custom function
13). Four-way controller with all buttons that surround it moved higher
14). Seperated AF-L and AEL buttons (with AF-L bigger)
15). Better battery – 500 shots at least
16). In camera RAW converter with RAW savings to 16bit TIFF
17). Exposure compensation dial – I would really like it to have it and in place of command dial that should be moved on flash place which could be put out. Instead of the build flash, Pansonic should bring really small flash – similar to wonderful Fuji EF-X20.
This cam would be best for street and dynamic photojurnalist/reportage!
And the last…
18). Panasonic 12/1.7 prime (24mm equiv. in FF)
Panasonic 17/1.4 prime (35mm equiv. in FF) – classic $ most popular focal lenght
Higher MP on the same size sensor will likely hurt low light performance even more than it currently is. I’d rather they stick with the 16MP and improve low light rather than push MP up and then maintain low light performance (assuming there is an ability to improve it beyond current levels)
This isn’t really the case anymore except with extreme ISOs. First, look at the difference in ISO, and DR from the 12MP m43’s sensor and today’s 16MP sensors. The 16MP sensor is better in every way. New tech can make advances on all fronts. Also, look at the A7R vs. A7S. The A7S is even a newer sensor with tech designed to keep noise low, but when you actually look at the samples and normalize them, the A7R is just as good as the A7S up to ISO6400, AND you get more MP latitude.
Verdict : 16 MP not sufficient , more MPs for GX8 .
That also isn’t necessarily true, though I wouldn’t be opposed to, someday, going as high at 24MP.
It’s going to get the same tired 16mp sensor every other m43 camera has over the last few years. The new sensor will debut in the GH4 successor. Panasonic isn’t going to have the bottom of its line overshadow the GH4.
The G7 will get the sensor first introduced in the GX7, which means it’s 2 years old.
Were you wrong before or are you wrong now?
“because the GX7 sensor isn’t even 2 years old”
http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-panasonic-g7-to-feature-same-gx7-sensor/#disqus_thread
http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-panasonic-g7-to-feature-same-gx7-sensor/#disqus_thread/#comment-1996242656
Approximately 2 years. The point still stands, Panasonic isn’t reusing sensors longer than other companies are.
Funny, it was really important last time you mentioned it. Now it undermines your point it’s not.
You can’t have it both ways. Troll somewhere else.
Wrong .
New sensor always debut in GX line while GH only for videography breakthrough
tech such as 4K .
The GH1 had a 12MP multi-aspect sensor, the GH2 a 16MP multi-aspect sensor. Both were different than Pana’s other 12 / 16 MP sensors.
There have been two GX models. The GX1 had the G3’s sensor. The GX7 had a new one.
I believe new sensors came in the G1 (obviously), GH2, G3, GH3, GX7 and GH4.
Nice list but the GX-8 has already been designed, tested & is most likely being manufactured now, so it is unlikely that anything you asked for will make it into this camera, unless it was already in the original design.
Hope I will not be dissapointed otherwise X-Pro2 or A6100/7000 may tempt me more.
I’d be happy with the existing sensor in the GX8 if released without the AA filter. But if it doesn’t include 4K and IBIS during video shooting I’ll be looking at the OMD EM5 MkII, which should be coming down in price by then. And the Olympus hi-res mode is VERY tempting.
Ergonomics of the GX7 work great for my small hands.
I want a pony! And some ice cream!
I want you to shut up…. but you can’t have everything you want… 😉
Please stop crying.
And get me some ice cream!
nice list – likewise I am hoping for a good update – as I expect the Sony A6100 to be priced aggressively and offer a lot – I think unfortunately Panasonic will price the GX8 to hight like they have the GX7 for a long time – makes no sense why the GX7 has been higher priced then the A6000 as it is an APS-C señor camera with lots of features as well – I like your list – especially the 4-5Fn buttons and soft Fn buttons and the 4 custom functions – keep the controllers – especially the back scroll wheel with push so clever as with its good placement and with one quick push changes function
It is nice to dream some times.
The GH-4 excites. The GX7 was the best Pen camera ever. Is the G7 gonna get the same sensor plane image stabilization as debuted on the GX7? The good news may be that the GX7 will get some difficult to resist close-out prices. Personally, I am not much interested in the range-finder style cameras WITH the lens mount because the range-finder style camera WITHOUT the lens mount, the LX100, has more of that rangefinder tidiness AND much faster apertures. Part of the attraction in the GX7 was the inclusion of the viewfinder without the hump. It did not sell as well as hoped, so that is why the G7 is coming back. Shaving the hump was evidently not as important to people who carry a bag of lenses on a shoot. If you don’t want to carry lenses, you might as well have an LX100 anyway. So, the G7 comes back as the fraternal twin of the GX7, WITH the hump, aimed primarily at stills shooters.
G7 will get the same sensor, but I don’t know about IBIS. And I wouldn’t say the G7 is coming back back strictly becaue the GX7 didn’t sell as well. The G series always has been aimed at the Canon Rebel crowd, so you shouldn’t expect it to be better than the GX7. That’s what the GX8 is for.
Here is the curious question. The 20mpx FourThirds sensor from Sony is gonna be in the mix before the organic membrane technologies surface late in 2016. Who is going to debut? Panasonic or Olympus? Which camera? The E-M1-MkII seems a likely candidate. Will there be a slight elevation in noise from the smaller pixels on 3200 ISO and higher? I think the BSI question is also interesting because, in theory, the reduction in surface clutter should allow the pixels to occupy a greater portion of the surface, and hence, be somewhat larger. In practice, it does not seem that BSI has been of much help with noise, because the BSI manufactures did not hold the line on pixel count on the small sensors. They all but abandoned 12mpx for 16mpx and the small sensors are just as noisy as ever. Only Samsung has tried the BSI technique on APS-C at 28mpx and the noise floor looks MUCH THE SAME as 24mpx conventional. It does appear that sales departments have gotten the message: megapixels sell even when they degrade noise performance “slightly.”
Noise on the Samsung sensor is very good. But I think its also because of a much finer manufacturing process (65 nm) not only becase of BSI.
Features, features. There are fundamental, enabling technologies on one hand and controls and menu options on the other. Sensors and Optics are prime. Controls and Menu Options re-arrange deck chairs and [hopefully] make a camera less fiddly. In the middle, you don’t see the the Processor, but you understand its role. Unfortunately, the definition of “fiddly” varies. For some, a minimum of controls (power, zoom, and shutter) are ideal. For others, a plethora of convenient external buttons are the ACME. In the market, most camera buyers do not have a clear idea of sensor and optical prowess, so they are easy prey for the idea that innovation is something you can touch or explain quickly. The problem for the technical sophisticate is not what to choose for himself, but to judge interest and aptitude, weigh trade-offs in what CAN be recommended, and let history take its course without using the word “should.” If you want to drive down the Las Vegas Strip and shoot pictures out the car window with an iPad, have at it.
As long as the GX8 has full time IBIS I’m in. My GX7 has been fantastic, but having IBIS not on during focusing has been a pain at times with some of my long-er lenses which I use quite often.
I miss IBIS during video shooting on the GX7.
Very happy that GX8 is now official – But I would not expect it till late this year or early next year
for it to compete with the A6000/6100 and Olympus EM10/EM5 M2 it needs some key updates
Better sensor – ( why not backlit technology like Samsung and Sony use )
Better IBIS then current one – and have IBIS for video mode
Flip LCD like that of EM5 M2 –
Keep all the current good stuff – like design and looks – except maybe a bit deeper grip
Keep the Fn keys and C1 C2 C3 – Touch LCD – Touch Focus – the filters
Hybrid sensor with many Phase detect and Contrast as I think that is better then DFD
Improved EVF
4K video
Priced a bit under the A6000 or soon to be A6100 – which is normal as it will have 4K and it has APS-C sensor
I have a feeling that Sony will keep the A6100 price around $650 body only and $800 with kit lens so Panasonic needs to beat that – I have a feeling that the price of the GX7 has been to high once Sony introduced the A6000 and Olympus introduced the EM10 –
The GX7 is a terrific camera and of all my gear I like using my 2 GX7’s the best – but the GX7 needs and update to compete –
Panasonic did a horrible mistake not to include Touch LCD and Touch To Focus on the LX100 and FZ1000 – I sure hope that they are not doing away with Touch when the consumers have been repeatedly asking for it – and now in the Canon G7x and of course all the Samsungs and Olympus still continues to support Touch Shutter – I do not expect Fuji will ever support Touch Shutter 🙂 But I expect the upcoming Sony’s will at least the A6100 which is rumored to have Touch shutter –
somehow I fear that it will have same sensor and just 4k as a selling point and price will be $1299 with kit lens which will just be way more then the Sony A6100 and make sure it will not sell well – hope I am wrong
Full time ibis (maybe 3-axis?) Weather sealing, and better battery life and I’ll put on a GX8 on pre-order as soon as I’m able to.
My guess about FZ300:
Same 25-600mm-eq f/2.8 lens.
Newer processor (probably same as FZ1000).
Of course, WiFi.
Probably newer 1/2.3″ sensor, most probably 16 mpix as in their recent P&S releases (ZS45, SZ10, TS30, TS6). But maybe, if they ask nicely enough, Sony will give them their 20 mpix 1/2.3″ sensor.
Now, about 4k. Sony IMX206 (16mpix 1/2.3″ sensor) is not fast enough for 4k video (at least without heavy line-skipping and upscaling). But IMX147 (20mpix) is. IMX118 (18mpix) should be good for it too.
Can you tell us why some of the above items are in the “routers” category rather than cameras?