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No GH5 or MFT 4K photocamera is coming at NAB.

Time to kill all your dreams :=)
I am pretty certain there will be no GH5 or other 4K capable Micro Four Thirds photocamera is coming at NABshow in Las Vegas (start April 12). But we can hope to finally get the long time rumored Big GH4 firmware update.

And of course absolutely nothing is coming from Olympus!

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  1. That’s kind of a relief, haven’t even had my GH4 for a year. But apart from suddenly adding IBIS, I can’t really see many technologies out there that would warrant a new GH model just yet.

    1. Read between the lines, there’s no way Pany would not put 4k into a GX follow up, so when admin says no 4K capable Micro Four Thirds photocamera that most certainly includes the GX successor, specially considering that all other alternatives are ruled out (GM line was just recently updated, G lines is video centric, GF was updated too, that only leaves GX and that’s out of the question because it’s the most photo-centric camera and there’s no way it won’t have 4k).

      But this is good news, it means Pany is not foolish enough to rush a GX camera before other companies release their competitors just to please consumerists, so that grants them time to actually improving the camera in a meaningful way such as waiting for organic sensors to be ready for deployment. It seems Pany learned their lesson after the LX100 and they’re being more cautios and strategic about what they put on the market and when.

        1. The LX100 was over-hyped, it was assumed by many to be the second coming of the fixed lens camera when in reality it was a sincerely modest attempt to renew the LX line with updated specs. So on that same note a barely updated GX model would probably receive the same level of ¨meh¨ as the LX100. It’s in Pany’s and our best interest if they continue the GX ethos (GX1 model skip up to GX7 to signify a definitive spec upgrade, photo centric flagship camera status and feature testbed i.e. first m43 pany with ibis) and do a significant upgrade to the GX line, such as introducing new (organic) sensor tech. The GH5 is indeed the overall flagship model but that doesn’t discard the fact that such new sensor platform can be fisrt introduced in the second flagship and then tailored and improved with video specs in mind for a GH5 later; so delaying a new GX in hopes of new sensor tech availability is not too far fetched.

          1. BTW, nothing wrong with the LX100, i love it but as a GX7 owner it’s kinda redundant for me.

          2. As a GX7 owner, I see it as being for a different market than me. I like the size a lot – closer to my GF1, but it is not a m4/3rds system camera. It is a great camera though, and if I EVER bought a fixed lens camera – which I would not likely do – the LX100 would not be “meh” at all.

          3. Gosh, people are so oversensitive to their gear…go read my post again and pay attention. I’m not personally criticizing the LX100 or its users, I already said that I love the concept, design and features of the camera, I’m just stating the fact that it didn’t take the market by storm as so many people were expecting (over-hyped). Was I among those people ? no, I knew well beforehand that even if it was as wonderful as it seemed on paper it wasn’t the camera for me, just as you have also declared (so thanks for proving my point). Most people interested in this camera (mainly system camera users looking to replace their multi camera/lens combo or supplement it) reacted with a ¨meh¨ expression because it obviously did not meet their overly high expectations: There is, and never will be a camera in the world that excels in everything.

            The whole point of this argument is not to bash the LX100 which is an awesome camera on its own, but to make it clear to people that asking for a rushed or underdeveloped GX update (like the LX100 was to the LX line) will receive the same lukewarm reaction. If Pany surrenders to G:A.S addict’s pressure, this is what will happen:

            -Pany releases GX successor in mid-to-late 2015 with an atrociously big DSLR grip and no new sensor

            -Shortly after Sony, Fuji and Samsung release their corresponding competitor models with unsurprisingly superior specs and performance because they waited for Pany to show their hand first and have now one-up them

            -It’s 2016, new organic sensors are ready to be implemented and Pany is suck with a stop gap model for a line that’s supposed to have x year cycles, not x month cycles.

            -The new GX model is not attractive to consumers in comparison to the competition and fails, thus further development of GX line is halted because it’s perceived as a bad market proposition/ low demand product in contrast to their GH cameras which do fine because of video, not solely due to ergonomics (same scenario as Oly pens vs OMD: underdevelopment/gimped > market failure > bad management perception > further underdevelopment > shift focus towards already over developed line i.e OMD).

            -M43 is suddenly stuck with nothing but DSLR-esque models while competition is ¨mysteriously¨ successful with their properly developed RF-esque options, thus eliminating the most attractive aspect of the m43 system: diverse ergonomic configurations

            -m43 goes in decline in the same way and for the same reasons as legacy 4/3

            We’ve already gone through this path with 4/3, now m43 needs to properly establish itself in the mind of consumers as a competitive platform and for that it needs the same performance as other systems (new sensor tech) and a model for every type of user (not just OMDs and GHs). In an age of casual smartphone photography cameras have nothing left but to be marketed to people actually interested in getting into photography and for that it needs to appeal not just to telephoto sport photographers and gearheads.

          4. AMWR, to some extend you’re right. But I dont think that a camera with a new sensor means automatically a successful product. OK I will not buy the EM5II (I’ll stick with former EM5) but I am not the only one potential buyer. There are a lot of new customers, right? Only gearheads buy new model iteration just because…

          5. indeed, it’s not a guarantee, only good marketing makes a product successful but without a new sensor the advertising department will have a hard time boasting about a new model while at the same time Sony and Fuji release new and improved cameras with better ISO and DR. It’s not really about being Nº 1 in the market, it’s about being competitive, and any further camera releases with the same old 16MP sensor are definitively not competitive with Sony and Fuji’s upcoming cameras. One would think that gearheads would be in the minority of the total mass of consumers buying newly released stuff, new consumers are more likely to not care about minor model differences, they just want what’s best for them at time of purchase, so they should be in the majority of people buying each years’s new model (not repeatedly the same person, but a new consumer each year) but it seems that camera companies a failing to attract new consumers and thus have opted to cater to the enthusiast market (i.e. mostly gearheads) that are more likely to renew their model because of G.A.S. This in turn corners m43 (and mirrorless) into a niche because it’s out of the common consumer’s radar, this is why it’s important to have diversity within the line up so at least one model is attractive to that consumer, you simply cannot hope to please everyone with just one type of camera with one set of features (what Oly seems to forget). Anyway, a new sensor makes it easier to sell cameras in real life shops where people are comparing cameras and being mislead by sales people, at least with a competitive sensor they cannot use the old and tired ¨small sensor¨ excuse and shove a canikon or Sony down the consumer’s throat (also it helps maintaining a healthy stock flow)

          6. No one cares what camera you use, get over it. You should change your mindset while you’re still young and stop worrying about what gear you use and how people think of it, using the word ¨glorious¨ on a piece of gear shows a total lack of care about the craft that justifies that gear’s existence, it’s as absurd as a carpenter boasting about his new hammer and how ¨awesome¨ the nails it comes with are. Stop wasting your and people’s time boasting about your gear and use it, go outside, prove that the investment was worth it and make good photography, otherwise you look pathetic. To make photography you only need a vision, the camera is the least important aspect of it, all your photos will look and feel pretty much the same on whatever camera you use because it is you taking the photo, not the camera.

          7. Cool story bro!
            But at the end of they day, if my hammer is better than yours, with equal skills, who will get the job done better? Who will get paid more? Who will become photography legend and get all the chicks for free, bay life, you will be left in the dust, forgotten forever, with your crappy broken puny m43hammer.
            Go get a life yourself and stop teaching peoples over internetz things you have no idea about.

          8. How is it overhyped?? If it wasn’t for its dumb restrictions of time limit and PAL/NTSC locked, then it would be a camera I’d be seriously considering getting. As it makes for a great companion to a GH4.

          9. No way was the LX100 over-hyped. M43 multi-aspect sensor, with 4K and a fast lens in a compact body, same processor as the GH4 for ~ $800? That thing truly is dynamite!

      1. “there’s no way Pany would not put 4k into a GX follow up”
        I dunno. I think there’s room for a new camera that doesn’t have 4K but is a better STILLS machine. The E-M1 crowd is all about this. I know I’d buy a GX8 with 1080p and a raft of minor tweaks that would improve ergonomics and handling. 8 FPS with AF, 4:3 EVF, faster e-shutter readout, better button layout, faster EVF refresh in low light, auto bracket with 2 sec. delay, auto ISO in M mode, fully articulated LCD. I love my GX7, but these things would make my work substantially easier.

        1. Nothing of what you want in your GX8 is mutually exclusive to 4k.

          I say put as good 4k as you can without compromising the valued IBIS feature of the GX7. Then, instead of a video button, make it a programmable Fn.

    1. The GH4 camera doesn’t have enough processing power for either of these features, so it’s never going to happen. The GH5 in 2016 might be a different story.

    2. no thanks, h265 is, unfortunately, a long way before becoming a viable or even interesting codec for editing and color correcting… it will be great for uploading though

  2. This is good news for me. I can save my money and not buy any camera this year. The E-M5 is still as good as any other M43 camera in IQ.

    No new sensor, no buy.

    1. How so? …I don’t see them introducing new premium cameras without 4K, and the cameras they already make are still cutting edge for consumer 4K.

    2. Admin is only saying that there’ll be no new 4k PHOTO camera, that doesn’t rule out any of the video centric lines Pany offers. Most m43 photo centric cameras have already been updated, that only leaves the GH, G and GX lines out of which you can discard the GH line because it’s already a powerhouse and fairly new (besides the solid firmware update schedule it’s enjoying), the G line seems redundant when previous GH cameras play the same role of a cheaper GH4 alternative and offer exactly what a G camera would, and lastly the GX line can be discarded too because there’s no way it wouldn’t at least match the LX100 specs which include 4k (no new 4k capable photo camera = the very definition of a GX7 successor). There’s also the fact that new sensor technology is around the corner and releasing stop-gap models right now would be tremendously foolish and a waste of resources

    3. Not at all, they have 4K covered in 3 models (GH4, LX100, FZ1000), 4 models if you count the CM-1. You have to also remember, Panasonic and Samsung are the only manufactures that have cameras under $2K that record 4K video internally. I one year, Panasonic gave us 4K from top to bottom, they have no gaps in their lineup!

  3. The GH4 has been in stores for less than one year, so it’s way too early for the GH5. Come back again in 2016, and you’ll have your GH5.

    In the meantime a new Panasonic prosumer cine camera is expected to be announced at NAB in roughly 2 weeks.

  4. This let me think more and more about a change from Pana to Oly. I need a good photo camera, not a 4K movie camera.

    1. What does that have to do with anything ? Does 4K somehow disables all other photographic functions of your camera ? I have both Oly’s and Pany’s and both do equally good photo centric cameras, in fact, Pany has the advantage of already having delivered what Oly has denied its users for years, a true RF-esque camera model with built-in EVF (i.e. GX7). If 4K is such a distraction to what could otherwise be a terrific photographic tool then just disable it and forget about it.

      1. For a long time I wished having both the GH4 and a EM5, but at this point it would be owing two cameras that basically do the same thing. So I’m saving up for a sony A7r II, whenever that comes out, because I honestly feel like I’m covered with the GH4 for both video and photos.

    2. GH4 has faster AF, better AF tracking, faster response, more frames per second, bigger buffer, better battery, not fake retro, pro quality 4K video, better build quality, works better with the superior Panasonic lenses, much faster processor, intuitive menu, 4K photo mode with lets you pull stills in any format from footage, Panasonic will always have the latest tech because they develop the sensor… I could go on

    3. I agree that the GH4 is a good photo camera too. But I don´t agree that they have the latest tech. I´m missing a 5 axis image stabilization, I´m dissatisfied with the optical stabilization. There are a lot more things where I´m missing the technical improvement. And at least I have to pay a higher price because 4K video is inside. We can debate about the pros an cons of Oly, but they also make good pictures and the Oly E-M5 Mark II is newer, makes really good pictures, has no 4K video but is 400,- EUR cheaper than the older GH4. Today I have a G3 and would like to make a good and big next step. Is it really only the GH4?

      1. I’m using the GH4 and E-M1. I switch to the E-M1 when I’m concentrating on still photos involving people. Face detection is great. The GH4 is fine for photos but the AF is not. It works well for video, though. The 35-100mm f/2.8 lens still stutters in video even after the firmware update.

      2. I have to disagree with you there. There are tons of things the GH4 does better than the EM-1 and EM-5 Mark II, it’s just that it doesn’t have in body stabilization. Everyone always tries to shortchange the GH4 in the photo department, when it really is a great camera, not just good.

        Have there been any GH4 vs. Em-5 Mark II auto focus comparisons? I’d love to see one in video and in stills, although I never use auto focus in video.

  5. Why on Earth would anyone even dream of Pana releasing a new GH5 while they “just” released GH4? That’s just stupid…

  6. Given how new the GH4 is and how far ahead of everyone else it still is, I would not have expected a GH5 until next year. And when Olympus finally gets into the 4K arena, I’d expect it to be consumer focused and not a pro video show announcement.

    I’m excited about a 4K GX8 camera but that will almost certainly be consumer focused too and not an NAB announcement.

    GH4 competition may arrive from Canon at NAB. We’ll see. I doubt it will beat Panny

    1. The NX1 blows the GH4 out of the water. Panasonic are 2 years behind.
      NX1 gives you a 6.5K full readout RED Epic quality image and the best rack autofocus ever.

      1. Yeah, all that with a poor implementation of a new codec that no NLE supports and it’s very limited for color correction. Sorry, but although the NX-1 seems amazing on paper, and one can really appreciate Samsungs efforts, I wouldn’t jump ship just yet.

        1. Agree, still use GH4 for workflow, just playing with the NX1.
          But give NX1 a try, It’s a beautiful image out of the camera like nothing I’ve seen short of a RED, and the autofocus lets me get shots I couldn’t on the GH4. Yes you need to get colour pretty close in camera, but that applies to the GH4 as well.

          1. I’d love to hear a more detailed comparison review from you RJ about the NX1 vs GH4 for video 🙂 As I’m currently tossing up which of the two to get next (and this is even as a guy who started out with a GH1 and has purchased five m4/3 cameras so far).

          2. probably can’t review it on m43 forum and I’m a huge GH4 fan, but I only shoot NX1 now unless I really need quick turnaround.
            Check out Vimeo https://vimeo.com/albertfast a film maker using NX1. Check out the NX1 user groups on Vimeo and you’ll find footage.
            Check out https://youtu.be/i3-S6zITPGg ‘out of the camera’ footage, you can download the 4K file in the comments to assess it.

            I’m uploading a lot of footage to Vimeo NX1 group soon.
            It’s really important to get the H265 conversion right, and some online haven’t. Will be better when Premier/FCP support natively.
            Pros and cons discussed on EOSHD forum. You need to test one and try it out.

          3. Yup am following the discussions on EOSHD, seems to be the only place online (aside from a few Facebook grouns) where a lot of discussion is actually happening about the NX1?

          1. For some this was already a normal part of their workflow to convert to ProRes.

          2. No, but if it takes several hours to convert all of my video into something that Adobe Premiere and After Effects can understand, then that’s not the camera for me. They should have partnered with Adobe months before launch so an update to CC was already to go upon the NX-1 release.

          3. Premiere is not the only NLE on the face of the earth.

            And it doesn’t take several hours, it can be done in real time now.

          4. Indeed… I purchased my GH4 in October ’14, so to me it was the best camera stills/video hybrid and the most “future proof” at the time. Back then if the NX-1 maybe I would’ve bought it, today I wouldn’t think of jumping ship. Not yet. The GH4 is definitely more versatile at this point.

      2. NX1 sounds pretty remarkable, and they’re releasing pro focused lenses. Samsung could become a strong competitor with some marketing and pro adoption/evangelization. Competition will benefit everyone, even those who don’t jump ship just yet.

      3. How is the NX1 for lenses? Is it easy for legacy lenses to be put on or have they already developed a pretty full line of lenses specifically for it? I haven’t looked into it much

      4. What’s that about having to transcode NX1’s video to be compatible with anything but Samsung’s software?

  7. FAILED to make sales with the gimmicky 4K camcorder in a camera body… Check!
    FAILED to innovate the vaporware organic sensor with wasted Fuji partnership… Check!
    FAILED to revive the flailing plasma technology from Pioneer… Check!

          1. I tried a simple test, resized a GH4 FHD to 720p, then upscaled again to FHD in PS, then compared to the new 7D mark 2 FHD. Guess what?
            The 720 resized to FHD was better looking(less artifacts) and more detailed. LOL

    1. No they are holding the market and squeezing the M43 lemon. They are waiting to see Sony and Samsung’s next move. They already know they have technology in the pipeline.

      1. I think it’s rumored that Sony will be releasing the A7r and A7s mark ii soon. Likely image stabilization will be added in to those. Panny is falling behind in the stabilization arena

      1. I’ll continue imagining being happy with photos I haven’t yet taken at 12,800 and will imagine even using ISO 56,000 in a pinch for some of the shots I’m not taking yet

  8. I would buy the GH4 in a GX7 form—and I own the GH4.

    Panasonic: make the next iteration of the GH4 a good one.

  9. Absolutely nothing from Olympus??? Nooooo!!! Where’s my TG-4 with 1/1.7″ sensor?? (sobbing uncontrollably)

    1. It’d be nice if they showed some commitment to their users with a good firmware update. It’d create some goodwill for consumers and would likely make more people want their future cameras. Tech has moved into an age of if you want a firmware update go buy the next product, I’m always glad to see companies moving away from that

        1. The ability to punch in & check/adjust focus WHILE recording is needed in the next GH4 firmware upgrade. Panasonic really needs to implement this feature. Are you listening Panasonic?

          1. That would be pretty handy yeah – but I’m not going to claim that I know enough to say that’s possible by altering the software only.

  10. im glad they are not bringing out a GH5, that hopefully means a big firmware update for the GH4!!!

    my hopes:
    Log or raw video recording (log internal, RAW probably only via a recorder)
    internal 10bit 422 recording log for 1080p at 200mbps (be nice if this could get close to the bmpcc image and do this in VFR mode and 4k if possible).
    false color
    improved noise performance at iso 800+ (although this may be a a hardware issue)
    120fps in 1080 and 240 in 720 would be nice as well

  11. GH4 firmware? We need a E-M1 video, photo IQ and autofocus firmware update and not six months from now!

    We’ll see what Sony and Samsung do in the next few months, may be time to say bye-bye to OLY since they are only full of cliffhanger firmware rumors to keep us hanging on and buying lenses. Fool me twice….

  12. If you want to improve IQ, which is what it’s all about, move systems, and keep one MFT camera + 2 lenses around for a backup. I am about to pull the trigger on a a7ii once the 28mm f2.0 comes out. The a7ii will outperform the next two generations of MFT cams at least – so it’s essentially future proof.

    Adding another system to your arsenal in no way indicates you are not committed to MFT. but there’s so much whining about upgrades on this forum its gets pretty sickening. It seems consumerism is driving most of the comments here. Improvements in IQ are staring you right in the face, ripe for the picking. But here we whine about MFT cameras improving by leaps every 8-10 months.

    I will always have a MFT camera. Nothing competes with the IQ/size benefit. But the GH5 and EM1ii are not going to be high res low light beasts …ever.

    1. Agree with you, and yes thinking of moving systems like you and I’m sure many others. E-M5 (sold), E-M1 no-firmware improvements = sold as well. a7II is on my hit list since I can get a discount but not sure it outperforms in all areas. Possibly the a7’s’II is what you are talking about?

      The problem for most consumers is that they don’t want two or three camera systems. Like the comment from Andrew Reid, ‘why do you have to choose’ in reference to Olympus video F8L. Do you really need a GH4 for video, E-M1 for weatherproofing or whatever you want to insert, and an a7s or a7II or other for IQ?

      The a7000, a7sII, a9 is on the way. These may end up being the better do-it-all choice since for IQ, 1080/4k video and maybe also 5Axis. Rumor of a smaller NX1 also. So yes choice is there. If MFT was perfect, there would be no whining. Also times have changed.

      I disagree that there have been ‘leaps’. The only leap was 4k and 5 Axis. Other than that there has been no other ‘leap’ in system improvement and more like bug fix and enhance. There are only baby increments in IQ and video depending on what is needed for the model. More flexibility of on-board firmware software features, maybe more buttons, better grip? This is simply evolution of a product and not necessarily technological improvement.

      1. I agree there haven’t been leaps. I am just calling some out for expecting a major improvement every 8-10 months.

        MFT cameras give exceptional results for their size. That is a major factor in their success, because the “best camera is the one you have with you”.

        As for Sony, the A7sii will surely be a low light slayer. But alas the mark 1 istoo expensive. According to dxo the A7ii ISO/ low light performance of the A7i and ii is 3.5x that of the E-M1. And I love how the camera feels in the hands.

        1. 3.5x higher ISO is only 1 2/3 stops. Same as going from an f2.8 lens to f1.7 one. Just saying…

          1. From the DXO ISO test – a 25% increase = 1/3 ev or 1/3 stop. A 100% increase (2x) would be 1 1/3 stops. A 3.5x increase would be over 3 stops.

            A lens ain’t gonna overcome that.

          2. I’m not sure we’re looking at the same data here, or you’re not understanding the way ISO works. Every time you double it, that’s a 1 stop increase.

            From DXOMark:

            A7 II Sports (Low Light ISO): 2449 ISO
            E-M1 Sports (Low Light ISO): 757 ISO

            757 * 2 = 1514. That’s 1 stop of ISO improvement.

            1514 * 2 = 3028. That’s also 1 stop of ISO improvement.

            Except the A7 II doesn’t score 3028. It’s scores 2449.

            Instead, let’s use some logarithms, which is how ISO actually works.

            log2(757) = 9.56 EV for the E-M1
            log2(2449) = 11.26 EV for the A7 II

            11.26 – 9.57 = 1.7 EV

            1.7 ~ 1.67 ~ 1 2/3.

            That is 1 2/3 stops difference. Exactly what I said.

    2. Can i have a look at your amazing backyard trash cannon shots? Yes obviously more iq is needed, so you can pixel peep that gray brick wall to 10000%.

      1. See, this is what I’m talking about. Many on this forum talk out of both sides of their mouth. Ivan is an example. With one breath he’ll ask Panasonic and Oly for sensor improvements, in the next they’ll sling an jab at any person who takes action to and get that improvement with an available product.

        Ivan, most photographers on this planet take photos that are of no consequences to anyone except an immeasurable amount of people. You are one of them.

      2. Why don’t you simply put away your willy and stop trying to be the big man Ivan. It’s getting boring……..

    3. Having just shot a competition at a huge indoor skate park, at ISO 3200, I was feeling the need for the Nikon D750. The Panasonic GH4 handled the video quite well, but the still images from the E-M1 are smushy at best.

    4. Yeah, I feel similar. I very much like m43s for the size but see a Sony FF mirrorless in my future. (Though probably more than a year out as I love the GH4.) I will likely keep one m43 due to amount of lenses.

    5. I’m in the same boat. With the prices for Panny and Olympus cameras it actually makes it easier to justify the move to a new system.

      The A7 can now be had for about $900 or so used. I’m waiting for Sony to release the mark ii of the A7S and A7R and hoping that it pushes the A7ii price to around $1,200 (If that is the used price I’m fine with that as well). I’ll still keep my mft camera (GM1) and all of the lenses I’ve got because I like the compact size but in terms of getting better ISO for low light I think it’d be better to move on to a new system rather than wait for Panny and Olympus

  13. nice nice..for a poor mans 600 $ the lx100 does it fine and so we see us in 2016, againe, nice
    and fine year guys…joshi

      1. Yes, it appears to be. The post now has a note that says,

        Yes, this is just a bit of April fun. Sometimes we just need to have a laugh at our interest in future cameras when the one we already have is so amazing 🙂

        Consider this a wishlist of features I hope to see when the GH5 is eventually released. Other camera manufacturers are free to take this and run with it as well (#SamsungNX2) 🙂

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