Here you can see the differences between the current E-M5 and the E-M5II which will be announced in early February. At first glance you notice that the new camera looks a bit more compact and also of a bit more high quality. I do really like the ne E-M5II design!
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E-M5 is taller than E-M5II, but E-M5II is wider than E-M5. 🙂
http://dicahub.com/node/4360
Looks like the screen is about the same size. However, the EVF seems to be larger – i may be wrong.
Do you think it will get a microphone input ?
As they appear to have removed the accessory port, there would be no other way to use an external microphone so I would assume there is now a mic input on the side. (Just a guess, may be wrong.)
I own an E-M5 already, but I agree that the design of the new camera looks better. I also like the better grip. That is, however, no reason for me to upgrade, especially since I also own an E-M1.
For someone with just the E-M1 wanting a back up body, this E-M5II would be ideal (if & when the price was right).
Someone did post this in the comment before
Yun, seriously… I think everybody here understood you want a new sensor ! So : more pixels = more diffraction problems. Organic sensors are not for tomorrow according to Fuji. Maybe a Foveon, then ?
At least a new generation sensor of it’s kind & not this 3 years old stuff again .
Look at that upcoming X Pro 2 , a7000 & unconfirmed GX7 successor ,
I bet all will definitely equipped with New Generation Sensors once they hit the market .
New generation like ? more MP’s ? current sensor is well-balanced and receives new features, what do you expect as improvement ? Again, X-Trans ? Foveon ? Organic ? Oly is not a sensor manufacturer, so they won’t by anytime be the first to launch a new sensor tech. But wait… maybe they could get a Toshiba, just like Nikon ! No, seriously, if you want a “new generation” sensor, look towards Pana or Sony, but not Oly.
I don’t really care which underlying technology they’ll use, but it ought to be clear that progress is still possible beyond the existing 16 MP sensors, not only in megapixel count, but in dynamic range and high-ISO capabilities, too. 16 MP on Four Thirds used to mark the smallest pixel pitch available in “big” sensors of Four-Thirds size and larger for quite some time, but that was until the Samsung NX1 came with its 28 MP APS-C sensor…
I was reading an article on LL where they said that on the electronic/software part of the equation, the sensor accounts for about 20% of the overall result. Not that it’s unimportant, but it is greatly overblown in popular imagination. Everything from the quality of the circuit, the chip, the battery up to the RAW file structure and the software you use will play a bigger role.
They went on to say and I quote from memory :”take a RAW file and process it on Lightroom 1 and then on Lightroom 5, the same exact file, and you will be blown away by the difference”.
I hope the vertical/battery grip for the E-M5 is compatible with the E-M5 II.
I wouldn’t bet on it(but it sure would be nice)
E-M5II has wider width than E-M5. It means the vertical grip of E-M5 is not compatible with E-M5II.
because of the indent, on the front i dont see it happening, maybe they release, it never happened before, if i remember correctly, the e3 doesnt fit e5, mainly because they tend to change batteries type, but i hope is a 2 piece guear, like the anterior, because my em5 can live without the bottom grip, (i normally carry it separately because of size constrain, it becomes too boxy, and cant fit on my small bags) but cant live without the front one it gives me so much grip.
The E-3, the E-30 and the E-5 did use the same battery grip, the HLD-4. The E-5 did introduce a new battery, but was still backward compatible to the old PS-BLM1 battery that was already used in cameras like the E-1, the C-5060Z or the C-8080Z back in 2003.
Why are the screens getting smaller? and where do i plug my cables, as i don see an opening on the left side (from the back) the em5 had behind the screen, but if this has a swivel, i dont see where they went.
You have to know above images are not for size comparison. And because the screen part of E-M5, we can’t know exact size of E-M5.
Check these resized version: http://dicahub.com/node/4360
I did mistype. Fix to:
You have to know above images are not for size comparison. And because the screen part of E-M5 is “too dark”, we can’t know exact size of E-M5.
Check these resized version: http://dicahub.com/node/4360
thanks they look similar in the link you send really.
I wish they’d kept the on/off switch in the old place. Now it’s like the m10 and m1 models, little awkward to use with one hand.
well the old oms had the switch there, so i dont mind, i generally shoot with both hands, camera is alwauys in a strap, so i can turn it on hanged, and then pick it up, i rarely did it with only one hand, and if i have to pick it faster to shoot, i use both hands, so it seem easy to me to switch with left hand, and shoot with right one, i just wish the switch were on the outside
First Olympus camera that’s appealed to me. That old 16 mgpx sensor takes some great looking images, there’s a reason the E-M5 camera won so many awards, and both DR and IQ are only a tiny bit behind the GH4 if you look at DP Review’s comparisons.
If you look at DXO measuring, they are slightly better
Wouldn’t surprise me. I was really close to getting the E-m5 to replace my Lumix G2 after pixel-peeping and seeing the reviews, but the GH4 is just so amazing in many other ways, I can easily live with the minute difference. I just hate to see people bitching over the E-M5 II sensor when it’s still one of the best in range.
Agreed, I don’t know why there are so many complaints over the sensor, image quality is excellent, among the best in the MFT range. If anything it seems to be a general frustration that MFT seems to be stuck at 16 megapixels, while improvements in DR and IQ are hard to make at this point, it’s simply time for more pixels.
cant believe that these image are true….where is the flash? bulid-in? shadows are not correct…
No built-in flash, man…
no Accessory Port 2 on the pictures….its a fake or new technic…
Same location as on the E-M5 and E-M1.
FL-LM2 requires accessory port, which is missing. Looks like it is the same location as E-M10.
You might be right. The two microphone ports are on the top plate like the E-M10, not the viewfinder housing as on the E-M5/1. Not sure where the release would be unless maybe the presumed mode dial lock button or the PC socket cover is it, though the latter seems too large for a release and about right for PC socket.
For me, a LED lamp to control an external flash would have been perfect.
Looking at the pictures from the back : do you think the mk2 has the bigger EVF ? May be yes and that could explain why the multi connector under the flash has disappeared. What do you think ?
If that is the case, then I want one !
I think only eyecup of E-M5II is bigger than one of E-M5. 🙂
Depends upon where the eye sensors are positioned. On the E-M5 they are to the right of the VF screen. Under that metal curve on the right. Also, looking at the dicahub comparison, you can clearly see that the screen of the E-M5II is higher.. Mmm so this gives me hope.
Hmmm… at least in that comparison images, the finder of E-M5II looks like bigger. I also hope you are right! 🙂
EVF is same as in E-M1, that’s why it’s bigger.
Thanks for your explanation. 🙂
From where do you know that for sure ? Do you have a source ? Or is it just your impression after looking at the leaked pictures ?
Yes, I also noticed that EVF looks bigger.
Still not fan of the position of fn3-fn4. They should have placed them on the left shoulder, moving the PSAM dial a bit to the right, and place the on/off switch somewhere else…
I like overall design it’s more appealing but there is one thing which I find as a step back. That swivel screen like DSLRs, that means when you just want screen to shoot above your head, you need to get it to the side of the camera and then twist down. Fot me old style E-M5 screen was sufficient for most situations I shoot.
So, for you, a feature that brings more possibilities to something that’s “sufficient for your needs” is a step back ? strange… swivel screen is more versatile for portrait shooting, angle shooting, and offers protection to your screen if you want it. You can still shoot above head or waist shooting, but yeah, the screen will be on the side of your camera. Then what ?
That was my personal opinion, I don’t like swivel screens and I was really happy with mechanic part of that articulated screen of E-M5. I find it sturdier than just one joint of swivel screen. Also when you just want to shoot fast from down bellow you just move screen. With swivel you need to move turn twist and then shoot, I find it slow. Also viewing picture off-axis of lens is always little bit of a pain. But that’s just it, I haven’t found much problems with old type because I shoot what’s before me and don’t need to peek around corner. Also I suspect that Mark 2 will have wi-fi so for hard angles you’ll be able to use remote display.
I agree, for photography I hate screens that don’t tilt on the lens axis. But we’ve already the E-M10 and E-M1 for photography, so I guess they tried to focus the E-M5 II a bit more on video. For video people the swivel screen is the better option.
LOOOOVE the fact that it’s smaller. But Olympus, please please please, an electronic shutter option. That’s all I ask and I am back.
electronic shutter will lower the SNR and Dynamic range. Maybe Oly don`t interested in it
Does the Fuji X-T1 have less SNR and dynamic range after its fully-electronic shutter feature was activated through the last firmware update? Does the Fuji X-T1 have less SNR or dynamic range than the competition?
Some cameras like the Pentax Q and Nikon 1 J4 do not suffer from what you describe, so having an electronic shutter by itself doesn’t do what you say. Besides, it’s an option that enhances/broadens the camera use- don’t need it- don’t sue it. Need it- use it.
Anyhow, not going this way until it happens. Panasonic has it, but doesn’t quite have what I want.
I think it’s going to have and electronic shutter for the sensor shift technology, so I would not be concerned if I were you.
smaller hump is better but no hump is my preference A6000 is best ergonomics – is not as tall as this, has bigger sensor and also a built in flash -Olympus why not just copy them? -they sell more cameras than you-that is the aim?
I have tiny 12mm, 25mm, 45mm and 75mm arguments for you 😉
The too small brick like NEX cameras certainly cannot compete ergonomically with the E-M5 II. Somehow the NEXes never left the compact camera class level design, what a pitty.
Don’t you aware Oly already got it’s own NEX line called PEN ?
A6000 has great functionality and a great sensor.
But ergonomics and build quality(not so much the quality, but the look and feel) are certainly not strong points.
If looks , feel & build quality are your points , then the upcoming a7000 is for you .
Panasonic has it covered, no hump on the E-M5 II would be very very wrong
Let me know how that A6000 works in wet weather.
Everything looks better on the II (except the screen if it dont tilt on axis), but my first true love is still more sexy from the front and back!
Still no built-in flash, unfortunately.
useless. If your carrying flashlights for RC lighting anyway then the little external trigger/flas isn’t gonna add to that much.
How do you know? On E-M10 and Stylus 1 it is also invisible unless opened, and E-M5II appears to lack accessory port needed to install and power their FL-LM2 flash included with E-M5 etc.
Well, there’s no button to make it pop out…
There is something on the front near focusing LED light. It could be PC-socket of course but it would be very strange for its class.
I would think you would see a seam on the front where the flash separates on the “EVF bump”. It looks like it is all one piece so its hard to see how a flash can pop up.
The seem is not visible on the pictures of E-M10 either.
They won’t add a flash to it because it would make the IBIS worse. Oly stated a 5-axis doesn’t fit with a flash and I don’t see them putting only a 3-axis in there…
They can always reduce size of IBIS using better materials and newer, smaller actuator motors, for example. And I am sure IBIS in E-M10 is 3-axis not because of size but because of price and trying not to compete with E-M5.
built in flash is a MUST !!! if someone don’t want it, it is his “problem”. so give it to us & let us descide!
WROOONG!
The reason E-M10 has only 3-axis IBIS is becaus of the flash. You use IBIS all the time but flash almost never so whats more important?
If you want flash it’s YOUR problem so just clip one on and be quiet.
Fortunately you mean.
Built-in flashes are used by beginners and the clueless and just bulks up the camera while you almost never use it. And when you do the result looks like crap.
Externally at least, the attention to detail looks pretty good i.e. Olympus appear to have been listening and thinking. As an original OM user, this is more reminiscent of the original OMs i.e. the 1 and 2, although there are of course differences.
I am genuinely interested. I’ll wait to see the implementations and how they work, especially the sensor shift high resolution option. Other questions to me are have Olympus implemented full EFC i.e. no shutter pre-cocking needed, which is the ideal way to address shutter shock. Also there’s questions about EVF resolution, focus peaking implementation, flash synch speed and video frame rate options – a high speed option would be useful to me.
Camera of the year 2012: will this one even get a mention at the end of 2015? I am not sure it will -this year a lot will happen.
Forget about it .
No way it going to win camera of 2015 even in third place .
I even doubt if it got nominated into it .
Still, its the only camera I would ever consider buying this year…
If you don’t owe an EM5 / EM1 , it still a camera to consider although there are pretty of better options around .
if you owe EM5 / EM1, it might not be broken.
Anyone comited to m43 lens mount might be interrested, however
Have you seen sample images taken by one then? Care to share them?
If that sensor shift technology is going to work really well(and fast), why not. It could be pretty spectacular for landscape and portraits. And if it’s usable in dimmer light hand-held, it would be revolutionary.
Don’t see any other mirrorless camera delivering the same quality for those shots.
But it’s a big “if”. It surely has the potential.
For ME, what makes it or breaks it is video output. Olympus has as record history of underdelivering in this department and I’ve been spoiled by a GH2 in the last 3 years.
Rumours say it’s 50mbps all Intra, which is one less worry, but if we are still limited in frame rates or if the sensor is still subsampling heavily by skipping lines, there is little use for a better codec if the sharpness and the IQ simply isn’t there…
We’ll see when it comes out, but my expectations are pretty low.
50mbps all intra, 1080-60p, 24fps, etc,… I might finally pull the trigger on an olympus this year.
I won’t.
No 4k, not interested!
No 4k sucks, but I have my GH4 for 4k and am happy with that. I’m thinking the stabilization on the Oly would be great fun for hand-held, run/gun stuff. If the 1080 matches or comes close to the GH4 then I’d be happy with that.
The LCD gets smaller to allocate more room for buttons and swivel. I was thinking of that too when I used the LCD on E-M5.
Not necessarily, the OLED panel on E-M5 for some reason has huge borders not shown on the picture in the post (but shown on E-M5II).
Exactly.
If you try some of the different frame ratios like 3:2, you will discover why the huge borders are there.
I use different frame ratios all the time, from 3:4 (for effectively 1.33x “teleconverter” only) to 16:9. Each picture has its own optimal ratio, I wish 5:4, 2:1 and 3:1 were available. 🙂 The borders are still huge regardless.
Look like there is no accessory port, like on E-M10 (and unlike E-M5 and E-M1), and no this plastic part which covers the accessory port which is so easy to lose. Does it also mean that the flash is built-in and not accessory like on E-M10 too? That is a good upgrade.
Not a deal breaker either way, but I’d take a stronger bundled flash over a built in
And for me the ungainly hump of the accessory flash is one of the biggest pet peeves about E-M5. Often enough I go without the flash at all, but then when I need it, I don’t have it…
I like the improvements. I bought an E-M1 last year because the E-M5 grip was too small and I wanted the extra Fn buttons and two way switch. But to be honest the E-M1 is a bit bigger than I would like and I don’t need the legacy pdaf support. The E-M5II seems to have addressed those issues. If the rest of the improvements are there (at least 1/8000 for example) I would move back to the ‘5’ series from the Pro range. Also I take stills, couldn’t care less about 4K.
I have kept my E-M5 without updating to the E-M1.. If this mk2 version has the same EVF as the E-M1, then it will be a good update.. The ergonomic seems better as well and like you, I appreciate the smaller size.
Am I the only one noticing the 360 degree tiltable screen?
This was discussed to death in the previous post.
Indeed it was, but it will be discussed again later.
Yes you are. Unless you look the previous two posts about the camera and notice the 100 different rants/praises about the new, annoying swivel screen… 😛
Yes you are. I don’t think any screen tilts 360 degrees. 180 more like it.
No, 260° probably, 80° down and 180° up, that’s usually the norm with these articulations.
What is being referred to here is the fact that you can reverse the screen entirely facing inwards when not using it or traveling protecting it from scratches etc. Thus only a leather case like SLRs of old required to protect the camera and not a much larger bulkier case with DSLRs.
I agree that is a benefit and is why I wrote the following post yesterday. Still, it isn’t a 360 degree motion and the original poster wasn’t the only one to notice a tiltable screen.
Marc Ramirez • a day ago
Swivel screen is good for making camera more robust in rugged environment if screen can be flipped inward against the body. I’m assuming they have kept it weatherproofed.
Kind of wish it had the big square lens release button instead of the small one with leather texture like the new pen. I like how the knobs are all perfectly horizontal instead of tilted. Also like the addition of mode lock dial. Mic in would be awesome and I hope the 43rumors of new video frame rates is true. Only wish I could compare it to GX7 successor.
Using DSLRs for a dozen years, I’ve never scratched the rear LCD. I’m not sure why that’s a concern.
Me neither. You would think an LCD protection film would be enough, but it seems there are quite a few anal-retentives out there paralyzed by worry over a dumb camera. I don’t know how they get through this life.
Yeah you should have read the first post about the camera. Reversing the screen is a very big plus point.
I think the original looks better. Crazy after 3 years the original model still looks that good. I don’t understand the curve on the front grip. Also would have liked more new features for this new model.
I think the curve will make the camera stick to your middle finger, something the first E-M5 does not.
the screen seems smaller.
Thats because of that crappy swivel screen… tilt all the way!
Looks gorgeous to me but the grip still seems awful and the on/off switch is placed at the wrong side.
Did you know that you used “gorgeous” and “awful” in the same sentence to describe this camera?
Yes, gorgeous for the looks and awful for ergonomy, not for the look of the grip. I thought it was clear what I mean, I might have been sloppy with the wording.
You were clear, but some (maybe most) people on this forum are just looking for a fight to defend Olympus’s honor. It’s a complex.
You probably made a mistake, the grip in the picture doesn’t look good enough to hold. Be glad though, cuz someone looked really stupid by suspecting there is emotion behind such a neutral question.
I feel the same way about the on-off switch. It makes one handed street operation impossible.
I have one of these on my e-m5, it’s great
http://www.thephoblographer.com/2012/12/09/review-j-b-camera-designs-grip-for-olympus-om-d-em-5/#.VLkgGCiebGg
When I had the E-M5 I used this add-on grip and it felt like it should have been there by default as it made the handling so much better. Olympus should include one for every E-M5 in the box as an extra.
No, the grip looks better and the switch is better placed (and desgined) as well.
Both seems better but far from ideal and practical.
I liked the on and off switch on the E-420/450 camera the best. Could be operated by your yhumb.
EM5 II PASM dial rotates backwards compared to EM5.. Might be a bit tough for those that *really* memorize their camera dial operation. and use both cameras
As long as I get clean images at 204,800 it will be ok.
You will
Olympus cheats on ISO so much you end up with iso800 anyway
Horrible busy design without much thought
Articulated screen is a disaster but powershot kids and Olympus employees on forum will praise it
Ah jaj…here goes convenient hip shooting without being detected…. rock gigs anyone?
Horrible design? Guess you are trying to justify not upgrading, given your user name. For me, or someone else who doesn’t have an OMD, this appears way better than the current EM5. Just my opinion though.
Please share some of those hip shots.
Is that possible with Micro 4/3s? Which cameras do that well currently? Seriously wondering, I have the GM1 and I never push it past 6400, 3200 is my realistic max if I want a good photo and 6400 is if I just want to capture it and don’t really care about the quality.
The Mark II looks cheaper to me, and not as stylish.
Because we all know thats what matters in a camera: To be the perfect fashion accessoiry.
Maybe you should look to Sony, they prioritise like you.
No, they don’t. Sony’s cameras are anything but stylish.
My opinion is exactly the opposite of that.
Looks like the E-M5II will be a perfect still photo camera for me. It has all of the changes I that kept me from buying the original. the fully articulated screen is the final feature that makes this a replacement for my E-30. It also appears to be just a smidge larger, so it is less toy like in my hands. I currently have the Lumix GX7 which is *almost* perfect – it is missing that fully articulated screen. On camera flash? really? I have used the on camera flash on my cameras for maybe 0.0001% of the shots I have taken. And the results weren’t worth the deployment. The video is irrelevant for my needs as I don’t shoot video, but it does seem a bit silly that they don’t support the latest rev of video.
I agree 100%. I had the Nikon D5100 in the past and I LOVED the fully articulated screen. I always though it was weird that some poo-poo it as an armature only feature. It will slowly creep its way into “professional” full frame cameras and will be heralded and the best thing since sliced bread. Just look at the D750 with its pull out screen.
One thing you didn’t mention is focus tracking. I hope it is improved over the current M5.
Those poops who poo poo on artoculating screens are now going to change their position with NIKON D750 coming out. It is the manifestation of their inferiority complex due to lacking live view features because of the mirror box.
“Poo poo?” Ah, now I see who loves those junk amateur flip/twist LCDs – five-year-olds.
The new body looks like it will be easier to hold (the grip has a nice edge to it) and for me the button layout and especially the dual dials appear to be much better. Plus I am hoping that the buttons have a much more positive feel to them than the original and that they are not “squishy”.
Looks GOOD. Mayberry positive in the hand.
Mayberry= May be very (love what spell check creates! LOL!)
If you are registered with Disqus, you can edit your posts.
I won’t register.
…butt at least I have photoshop and can edit my photos.
But you probably registered with Adobe… (or would if CS6 stopped working)
Rear dial positioned better under thumb, front dial made thicker so it is easier to use, added a 2×2 switch to allow all camera functions to be used without taking off camera from eye or changing grip.
Bottom right rear corner made roundish so it doesn’t “eat palm”.
Why the E-M5II sensor seems to me larger?
Because it is! E-M5II will come with APS-C sensor as every Olympus lens covers that. Sorry for Panasonic users as they don’t get to use their lenses with new E-M5II 🙁
Actually you’re incorrect. Coverage varies by lens. http://m43photo.blogspot.com/2014/01/put-aps-c-sensors-in-micro-four-thirds.html
Are you sure that E-M5II will come with APS-C sensor?
I am surprised there has not been more attention directed to the possibility the EM5II may be using a APS-C sensor simply because 43Rumors has insisted it is the same existing 4/3 sensor? If the photographs shown are correct and real, when I scale the m4/3 mount they are both the same diameter but when I scale the sensor size shown that in the new EM5II is 50% larger or APS-C size! So is this a 24 MP APS-C sensor and Oly is using only a portion of it for 16 MP much in the way the LX100 does with the 4/3 sensor? Or if it is the old 16 MP APS-C sensor for economy purposes what effect will this have on the effective focal length of the lenses? If in fact the APS-C sensors are of better IQ than the existing 4/3 sensors I see no reason why Pany would not also use the same approach in the near future? What do you think or am I all wet?
That would be amazing and great if true, but I suspect they just didn’t render the sensor in the picture.
I think the sensor is the same and that they have a new smaller mount, why else would they make a new 14-150?
It’s not. I can’t decide what’s more absurd – your comment or that somebody actually upvoted it.
Don’t you think 4 (FOUR) dedicated Fn buttons, doubled by 1-2 switch, in addition to as usual customizable movie record button and 4 more directional buttons is “a little” excessive for the class? I like the simplicity of E-M5 controls… although dedicated exposure compensation dial, with markings and which would not suddenly change its function or disappear in manual mode is sorely missing.
You like simplicity? Use a cellphone!
This is high-tech photographic equipment, and not a toy.
Tell that to those photographers who throw $6,500 at a Leica M. Are they using a toy? https://i.imgur.com/rplKFWR.jpg
Leica M users either play with their camera and have it on display more than actually use it, its an expensive bragging toy. If they use it it might get a scratch and it will not look so good on display, so its not worth it.
Id love to spend $6,500 on a camera if the technology behind was that mutch better, dont know if Id dare to take it out though.
Typical comment from someone who can’t afford a Leica M. Why assume that Leica M shooters are less serious about photography, and only carry their cameras as accessories? I know several very serious photo enthusiasts, who have saved their hard-earned money for years to be able to afford a Leica. Some reportage journalists also shoot with Leicas.
Many photographers don’t care about the latest tech and a lot of features, they just wan’t a good, solid, well-built photographic tool that doesn’t offer much more than control of the basic exposure parameters and focus.
Leicas are dumbed down for a reason.
yes, a leica is an expensive toy.
I should have awaited that answer. Some rich people do buy it as a toy and that’s how it is with all expensive things. I wouldn’t say that this means the typ 240 itself is a toy. If I held the E-M5 in one hand the typ 240 in the other I know which one would feel the most toyish.
And this is a dumb comment. Plus, the ergonomics of the four top buttons look terrible. It’s cramped, and they will be difficult to tell apart without removing your eye from the viewfinder. If I end up getting this camera I will probably assign multiple buttons to the same function so that even if I fat finger it, I get the right function.
I would have said…
You like simplicity and use Olympus? 😉
MORE external control is great!
It lessens the need of diving into the maelstrom of the Oly menu system.
No, more external control is bad when used the wrong way. This is a camera, not a keyboard, we need more dials, not buttons! What’s a button going to do? Toggle on/off? Keep pressing it to switch between modes? Slow slow slow.
Yeah, exactly, I really don’t want an X-T1 type of camera because slow slow slow and then some!!!
This is a high-marketing toy, that’s all…
All of those old masters we admire in museums that came before us were such idiots. They used cameras with very few buttons and no digital level. sarcasm.
A cellphone would never allow me the pictures which E-M5 gives without extra 2 fn buttons and doubling all functions with 1-2 switch. And the only control missing is dedicated and marked exposure compensation dial, not 1-2 switch etc.
The on/off switch around the left dial mirrors its placement on E-M1. The 1/2 lever is also from E-M1. With the revised ergonomics and the new 40MP sensor shift resolution, it looks like a clear separation from the lower end E-M10. Perhaps a little more overlap with E-M1 than some would like. Maybe it indicates that E-M1ii will swim further upstream when it appears.
E-M1 II will use in-house factory panny sensor,
more mega-pixel and improve image quality like EM-1
The release of E-M5II is probably just a sign of streamlining the lineup. With it, the OM-D line makes sense again, with E-M10 clearly at the bottom, as you wrote. And E-M1 at the top, with more DSLR like body, phase detect autofocus and tethering support. Makes sense. I hope that at least some improvements to video will find their way into E-M1 by firmware update, because it would make sense to avoid the situation where the flagship model is inferior to a lower model in a significant way.
Also, it would make sense to introduce new sensor into the top model first, so if a successor to E-M1 comes out (I’m not expecting it anytime soon), I would expect it to be the first to have a new sensor tech. That would be a better incentive to current E-M5 owners to upgrade to higher end model.
Hard to comment on not yet announced camera, but it is definitely even more retro than previous version. (talking esthetics/design of the camera). My first impression was OM-2.
If they continue this trend, E-M5III or E-M5IV will be again film body…
Yes, Olympus will lead us into The Film Revolution!
So more EM10 DNA. I get it…and I like it.
I see much more E-M1, and less E-M10.
I assume for every format there will be a moment when max megapixel is reached and so you have to take your fun from other features. That also explains the Sensor Shift. One of the traditional advantages of small sensor m4/3 is the moving sensor. Once you have faster readouts you can do all sorts of things with composite images, including increasing the mpx count with no loss in IQ. Note that in the old E-M5 you already had the digital teleconverter which allowed to isolate detail with no loss of resolution. Did anybody used it? People are so conventional…
I completely agree about the function buttons. I really wish they had kept it to 2. Heck, with an additional function button on the front, and function buttons on the zooms, even 1 would have been sufficient for me.
I agree with you. This confirms, once again, that my decision to keep the original OM-D was the correct one. This new one looks cool, but quite frankly I don’t need it.
Sell your current one & top up a bit to get this one .
I’m pretty , you will delighted by this new cam .
Sarcasm I failed to get or did you just failed at being funny?
I’ve used it often on the EM-1, it really is a very useful feature.
The 2X Digital Teleconverter that is…
I agree, the top looks cluttered.
I’m sure more mega pixels are coming. Olys problem is they don’t make sensors, so they are working with what they have which is a sensor that moves.
I’ve been looking to jump into Olympus products, but been waiting for a camera with articulating screen and a built in flash. If this has both, it’ll be my first Olympus. I understand you don’t always need those 2 features, but when you do, they are very useful.
Unless it pops out of the bottom, there is no built in flash.
lol, I hear ya.
poops out of the bottom, yep.
What about the EM10, has a tilting screen and popup flash? Unless you mean a screen that flips out to the side, in which case the mk2 will be the only Oly m43 to have it.
yes, I meant a screen that flips out fully for self portrait or party pics (hate to use the word selfie :). In addition to a built in flash. The PL7 has that awkward clip on flash. Probably will have to wait for an EM 20 🙁
I’m so glad they moved the location of the rear dial. As a “left eye” shooter using the current EM-5, I often have to move my face away from the EVF in order to operate the dial with my thumb.
The top of the E-M5II looks more or less tranformers robotic. It does not fit the overall classic styling of the camera at all.
So, you’d prefer style over functionality? Seriously?
It looks pretty good to me. An actual grip and more external control. That’s great!
If only they’d introduce an up-to-date user interface, I might actually be tempted.
Yeah…I agree…but after owning 5 Olympus cameras (currently 2…and about to be 3), I am sooooo familiar with that messed-up interface that I would be upset if they changed it!!! LOLA!
So, you think classic styling means lack of functionality? Seriously?
Yes, it looks reasonably good. But I liked the old top better, and that was the part of the camera I liked the least.
Classic style means dials with set functionality and LABELS. Blank controls that lack visual designations are much worse.
How about fixed aperture, shutterspeed, ISO, drive control (single, multi, bracket and timer) and focus mode dials? That’s “classic” with a nod toward modern, more complex functionality.
well if they dont touch on the super control panel, the rest is fine with me, but just leave the scp alone, is the best panel on cameras since ever for me. the menu really need a update, i find difficult to find many option in them, and i want direct acess to bracketing and double exposure in control panel
The GH-series have dedicated dials for bracketing and focus modes. Menu diving For basic functions sucks regardless Of the rest of the interface.
Speaking of lenses, i expected for a “kit lens” a very good lens Zoom as the 14-54mm 1:2.8-3.5, an excelent first lens for any of the Oly cameras.
That would never be a kit lens since it would be too costly and cannibalize on 12-40 2.8 sales. Make it fixed f4 and you might be getting realistic.
This time I won’t be stupid and I’ll wait for the next ones to come. I bought two E-M5 and I never go the upgrade to chromatic aberration removal, focus peaking, etc… So this time, I am sorry but definitely no! and same sensor! come on.
Thanks 43Rumors for posting these comparisons as a picture is worth more than a 1000 words describing the new EM5II.
If these pictures are real and not photo shopped then we may be in for some real surprises as has been noted the sensor being used appears from scaling to be APS-C size not 4/3, and maybe using the EVF from the EM1, and for me the swivel screen is what I always want to see on this model especially for video use and to protect the LCD screen when not in use. Hope it is still weather protected minus the mushy buttoms and the price is affordable.
I think the EM5II and a GM1/5 or LX100 would make a very good complementing pair.
APS-c sensor? Are you high?
Nah, just delusional.
APS, lol. They’re not even photos. They are computer generated mockups.
Why would you go to all the trouble of creating an accurate 3D model to generate renders from and get the size of the sensor wrong by 100%
Dude, the sensor is M43. The mockup has a nice blue sensor that fills the entire bezel. Doesn’t imply anything else.
It could be a real image, just lit differently. The coatings on the filter pack can look quite different, depending on how the light is reflecting at a given moment.
I disagree. I don’t think it’s a render at all.
Having messed with the images in Photoshop I now think the sensor may not be bigger, and if it is, not by a lot. It could be there is some kind of filter in front of the new sensor that is the same size as the rectangular opening in which the existing sensor is recessed.
Having messed with the images in Photoshop, I think there may be a filter or something that covers the whole of the recessed area where the sensor sits. If the sensor is actually bigger, it is not by much and it’s the size of the old recess:
http://i.imgur.com/YPjxVG9.gif?1
Nice PS work !
The MkII is just comuter generated, so they just addet blue in the camera body opening. The Mk1 is a picture where you see the sensor is further inside the camera. You can also see that the camera is turned off as the sensor sits low.
Would be nice to see this done with the whole camera
Maybe they just shrank the camera down to uselessness.
APS sensor would mean APS size lenses!
Is 45mm f/1.8 Olympus by your definition a “APS-C” size lens?
As that and 25mm f/1.8 and many other covers APS-C sensor.
It isn’t the sensor that makes lenses large, it is the requirement angle of view and for that the required focal length.
A 300mm f/4 is big on ANY camera, you can’t change physics. But what angle of view you get from it depends from sensor size. And image circle (sensor size) rules the lens diameter but not length.
As the swivel hinge seems to cover a large fraction of the left side, I wonder where the Mic in and hdmi out will be. If on the right side, the benefits of hand held video become limited. I wonder if they add a Mic input into the new battery grip, kind of like the huge one that mates with the GH4. I’d buy it… I’ll buy it regardless.
Another rubbish place for the On/Off switch!?
who cares, just leave the camera on. OR just take a millisecond and use your left hand, god gave you one.
Think about the people with only one hand!
Or worse, think about the blind people, what about the blind!?!
if you are a bind photographer, you have worse problems than using your left hand once in a while!!
Most are blind judging from their Flickr galleries.
The switch is fine. Actually it’s much better to use than the one of the old M5.
Actually the on off switch is in the same place as that on the original OM-1, and I never had any problem with that. Mind you it only turned the metering on, because the whole camera was manual, and you could take photos without switching the camera on, or even without a battery in it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympus_OM-1
The EVF appears different…. is it?
More like the EM1 evf?
Included the EM1 in the comparison.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcram/16297021305/
I think Olympus could have made the rear of the silver E-M1 a lot more attractive by keeping most of it black.
By my opinion, they could have changed it so that the dials and release button with the mode dial would have been black, as well all other buttons like I’m front.
The E-M1 should be bigger, or it has a smaller lens mount than the others…
It’s amazing how many people are afraid of positive change.
Anyone else notice that they’ve changed the hot shoe? No more port underneath it by the looks so there’s less clutter above the evf. Presumably that changes things for flashes?
Multiple times already mentioned that the port for external viewfinder, macro light, GPS and other assets is gone. The external viewfinder makes it less usable for street photography and macro, and the macro lights does same as well, meaning less powerful camera for other professional and hobby work than normal photography.
A build in GPS would be awesome altough!
I’m wondering about audio? It seems like they have crippled it probably for the em1 mkii. The way you could put a small stereo mic in the hotshoe seems to of gone, is there a mic socket on the body at all?
No more seamless onehanded operation with this position of ON/OFF switch 🙁
Looks fat to me
More controls, the grip looks better, better video, 180 degrees rotatable screen: enough for me, I will buy it
Sensor size looks a bit larger than the original E-M5. Or are my eyes deceiving me?
Reason I’m asking is because many are complaining like babies that the E-M5ll has the same sensor as the original E-M5
The back and the top look great. But the front is uglier than EM5. Guess they’re after the OM1 look… Sigh… I prefer OM4 look much better.