The GX7 has been officially marked as discontinued at BHphoto (Click here). Easy to guess the GX8 will come soon. Likely at CP+ in February. And also the Panasonic G6 is marked as discontinued at BHphoto (Click here). Let’s hope Panasonic will bring us a new G7 too!
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Hopefully…
Well, the GX7 is a camera that I don’t need, but want to get. Will probably grab a used one in the future. Hope that Panasonic keep the IBIS in the GX8.
Grab used one in future ?
The price of new one is almost hit it’s bottom line .
It’s a steal for a premier camera at such price .
Not sure what killer features the G7 would make me upgrade from the G5. IBIS might be nice, but I’m living fine without it currently. There are a few usability niggles with the camera and you can always improve on the sensor and such, but not sure if any of that could be improved to an extent to warrant buying a new body.
G7 might get a few of these, any of them would be a step up:
New sensor up to standard with GX7, GM1 or GH4
New Venus Engine / CPU
4K video
IBIS, as you suggested
Better EVF
Better display
Focus Peaking
Faster write speeds for improved FPS shooting
Weather sealed
Improved ergonomics and/or physical controls
I didn’t bother upgrading from my G2 to G6 because the difference was negligible. The G7 could get some serious improvements.
Who is BH photo to come out such statement ?
The exact “Discontinue” statement have to come from the manufacturer itself .
The GX7 successor if can’t feature the organic sensor , it need at least a new generation sensor at it’s kind like what Fuji did in X Pro 2 , a third generation X trans sensor with higher MP .
Pana need to do so to convince for the upgrade / compete against a7000 .
yawn
At least Yun has organic section of local grocery to keep his hopes alive…
sure but he is getting in very repeating mode now, making the current boring ft rumors even less dull sounding. but admittedly i have the same problem these days
+1 I’ve seen this before, one big store marks an item as “discontinued” and kills it but the manufacturer is still making them: this is a bad thing to do; wrong.
As far as I am currently aware not even the G5 is discontinued.
Until Panasonic says so then these cameras are not discontinued,
You can’t get more pixels into a four-thirds sensor without degrading the picture quality, simples.
Plus the Panny sensor is the equal or even superior to the Sony. The Panny LMOS (or NMOS) has lower noise floor over CMOS technology for a start. So far we haven’t seen another 4/3 sensor that equals the dynamic range of the Panny, and that equals the DR of a full frame D600.
Probably the bigger photo (and other stuff) store in New York.
If I had to go to NY I would not miss a visit to that store.
Sometimes I read product reviews, just to add someone else point of view about a product I might be interested in.
Considering how known B&H is, I’m pretty sure someone at Panasonic told them that those products are running out of stock and no longer produced.
Admin was clever (as before with the G6) and didn’t write that it was officially discontinued at Pany, but instead wrote …”officially marked as discontinued at…” Well, that’s like saying anything on that website is “official,” such as the current price of something. The cameras probably are discontinued because of their age, but Pany, probably for marketing reasons, has not said so yet and may never say so. Here, it is just clickbait.
Pretty obvious since the GX7 has been on fire-sale lately. Just got one with kit lens for £350 after £100 rebate. After I sell the lens, I should have it for around £250. Great deal considering I sold my two-year old E-M5 for £360 in July.
What is the point of G7 if there will be GX8? Even GX7 was in fact a replacement for G6 (hence, I suspect, GX7 instead of GX2 after GX1).
The GX7 was by no means a replacement for the G6, it was the successor to the GX-series that had become stagnant and hence the number jump; roughly equivalent to the Ollie Pen.
In many ways the G6 offers better features to the “enthusiast” over the GX7 in terms of usability; mic socket, remote socket: roughly equivalent to the Ollie OM-D. The G6 is only a small step up from the G5, the latter having ever-so slightly better picture quality but less camera functions. We have both the G5 and the GX7.
Imo the G6 was rushed into production as a gap-filler and a replacement is overdue. Likewise the GX7 has a number of niggling little design faults such as the EVF eyepiece is too small and so it is also due an overhaul.
Too small a difference to have 2 different lines in a falling market. It is simpler to add mic socket to GX8, or have an accessory for that (don’t they have it yet?)
GX = RangeFinder style
G = DSLR compact style
Both are different cams .
They are not sufficiently different, slightly different position of a VF and more plasticky build does not have a niche in the collapsing market. And for compact DSLR shape (which is inferior to “gripped” rangefinder shape in ergonomics), there is always GH3, GH4, G6 still not sold.
The GX7 + 20mm is still priced 900€ on Amazon.fr… Damn you, euro devaluation !
GX7 mark II =^.^=
I love my GX7 for filming and photos. I would buy a GX8 if it had a microphone socket and larger EVF. Although if Olympus nail 1080p with the EM5 MkII then a GX8 would have stiff competition due to IBIS.
Yes, a G7 with fully articulated screen AND good IBIS. That would be it.
A G7 without a fully articulating screen can not be a G7 in my book.
I would like on chip phase detection so I can reuse my 43 lenses. But I’ll probably keep using my G3 🙂
weather sealing + 4k + mic input and I’m sold
And down goes the value of my GX7!
Sun rise, sun set. I was just able to buy a GX7 due to that devaluation. I don’t imagine the new refresh will be worth twice the asking price for me.
To be honest there really is nothing a hardware upgrade “could” not fix in my GX7. To be able to use flash with silent shutter would be useful, HDR in RAW, and creative filters in the “Q” menu like EM5 would be nice. Better EVF – hardly use it any more – and that’s something I never would have imagined a few years ago. Will spend the money on that on lens instead.
Inevitable, but frustrating anyway. Timing is everything if you focus on price. Fortunately, the fun and image quality of the GX7 remain completely unchanged. 🙂
Whatever it is Gx8 is going to be awesome…..hoping panasonic prices it lineantly 😀
It depend on what features it got .
Everything have costs .
I would like to see a whether seal GX with 5 axis IBIS .
I predict, if anything, a GX7 II. All it needs is a couple of little things tidied: the EVF optic; IBIS on video; Auto-ISO in M mode. No 4k video as it would mean no more IBIS.
GX8 with 4k here we come; samsung nx500 =4k now Sony must surely have 4k on the A7000 now? Only Olympus, Nikon Canon and Fuji think this is still cameras and not an electronics business
GX series seems more suited for a 2-year update cycle, so CP+ is quite early – and I don’t see what big updates other than 4k recording are possible. But hat usually doesn’t stop companies from releasing an update. There are many small things, but Panasonic has done almost nothing in terms of updates for the GX7, so I doubt they’ll make serious efforts in fixing these issues. In an ideal world, the GX series would be photography centered, like the GH series is video centered, and both would receive updates like Fuji cameras do. And Panasonic would make an effort to make their cameras truly customizable.
DFD for both models, please. As currently the only Panasonic body suitable for professionally fast focus tracking is GH4.
The LX100 has DFD too. CameraLabs found the focus tracking somewhat lacking. Pity, because most counts say GH4 is fast. I wonder what is different between the two.
I would assume that DFD actually takes some processing power, which the GH4 could have more of?
Can’t expect too much from a small cam ( LX100 ) to match big boy GH in everything .
Once should feel lucky to have DFD in LX100 , the GM5 is without it if I’m not wrong .
You’re not wrong. GM5 has no DFD. But LX100 is pretty premium in most ways. A tiny big boy. 🙂 I hope it sells well.
Coming .
I’m pretty sure about it .
Oly always a bit late in innovation products , Pana always take the lead in this aspect .
Maybe Oly like to wait & see from it’s counterpart before come out it’s own .
I have little confidence in CameraLabs as they’ve managed to test the GH4 with Leica 25/1.4 – the only Panasonic lens which (aside to 20/1.7) is widely known to show poor results with DFD.
They had to try GH4 with 35–100/2.8 or with Nocticron and would be pleasantly surprised.
I would say – sprinkle a new sensor with lots and lots of phase detect – a hybrid sensor like the one in Sony A6000 – and if DFD can be of help then also include DFD – the mirroless cameras really need to up their tracking focus and yes the GH4 is an improvement – and so is the Fuji X-T1 as well as the Sony A6000 – but there is still room for improvement
Hmmm… and 5-axis IBIS. Sony has been able to do it from scratch, why Panasonic would’t be?
R&D limitation maybe .
I believe in 2014 , most of the Pana’s R&D focus on developing the OrganicTech together with Fuji but things turn out slowly .
Can’t compare with Sony’s huge R&D of course .
Panasonic has about twice as many employees as Sony overall, and is currently doing better financially, after both suffered badly from declining consumer television profits. I won’t argue the point that Sony may have more specific focus on Digital Still Camera development; Panasonic is shifting their corporate focus more to industrial markets while still maintaining its consumer electronics brands. But both are huge companies and are not short of resources in their R&D departments.
Sony has a very familiar name and certainly has better retail presence in cameras vs. Panasonic, but be careful not to consider Panasonic as some kind of a limited garage shop – it is a gigantic company and can easily challenge Sony wherever it likes.
you are correct – however I think Sony is much bigger in sensor production – Nikon for example has bought sensors from Sony –
So each company has different divisions and these are allocated resources – Sony for sure has funded their camera division well lately as they have pumped out lots of new bodies –
like you said Sony wins with retail presence and so does Canon –
However I do get the sense that the Panasonic camera division is not as well funded as Sony’s –
Organic is in development – but they are running into technical issues – I expect about two or three more years –
So Sony is now starting a Mega Pixel war again – as they have better resources in sensor production –
Sony didn’t do it from scratch, Sony bought the Minolta and got their IBIS technology, what Sony has been improving.
The problem just is that Olympus made own that is just beating everyone else, and other has hard time to come by it.
And the Sony IBIS ain’t as good what Olympus had long time ago with the E-5xx models (2-axis), it isn’t sensitive and fast enough and even with video it has lots of jittery on it, while even using a monopod. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82zZAwKRQEM
That is it in 3-axis mode because using Nikon lens.
Mount a 800mm lens to E-M1 (field of view same as 1600mm on Sony) and you have hard time to even pan the view because olympus IBIS keeps the view so well steady. That is what I would call is problem with olympus IBIS, it doesn’t like to move the view while you try and you easily pan over the movement while compensating to it.
Sensor tech still seems to be at a plateau but the “GX8” will still be interesting. I’d like it to have:
* 4K photo mode
* 4K video
* better IBIS
* weather sealing
* DFD
* better EVF
* same great style
But I’d trade all of that for the fabled organic unicorn sensor.
No .
New generation sensor is still possible eventhough the delay of Organic tech .
Likely a new sensor at it’s kind for GX7 successor .
Btw , the name of GX8 is very unlikely for GX7 successor , GX9 I think Pana likely to name it .
Or GX10, GX100 or GX1000, just to be confusing. 🙂
Agree .
It’s hard to predict Pana’s method in naming new camera .
Why GM5 instead of GM2 ?
🙂 please GX8 – that makes sense – lets not copy Sony in confusing names 🙂
There is no “Organic tech.”
It’s a pie in the sky fairy tale.
GX100.
1000 for 1″ sensor. 100 for 4/3.
I think a new sensor is possible on a panny camera. I was pretty disappointed to hear the eM5ii will use the same old sensor my $100 ePM2 has. So disappointed I am thinking of dropping this format. Panny has a edge on sensor development and manufacture as far as I can tell, so I am hopeful there will be something new with this camera.
It’s just a lull as development continues. Give it another year or two.
I agree – I just hear that there are lots of technical issues still with the organic sensor so still few years away –
In stead of DFD how about hybrid – similar to the Sony A6000 – I do own the LX100 and love it especially because I have a 24-75mm F1.8-F2.8 lens – so I know how affective the DFD is and I have played with the GH4 – certainly an improvement over the tracking AF on the GX7 – but still not as good as the one in the Sony A6000 –
So like you said, same great style, better EVF, 5 axis IBIS, Mic on, 4k photo mode and 4k video – also improvements on low light ability – that would make the GX8 awesome
The Link to the GX7 was a road to nowhere. Did not take me to B&H let alone GX7. When I went to the B&H site the GX7 is now selling for $497 and there is a used one for $399.00
What are you waiting for ?
Still not cheap enough ?
Better get it before it gone .
There are still cheaper APS cams with better image, better ui and better systems…
Name one?
Cheaper APS cam with better image ???
What name / model ?
Well, maybe not quite? At least it seems to take a lot of thinking.
Check out the cheapest Canon, Nikon or Pentax.
Not really. There are great options from all brands. But each has a set of compromises.
Sony: A7 line is small, great IQ, and the UI seems improved enough to be “good enough.” It could be a great FF option. Except, there isn’t a “system” in place yet, unless you’re willing to adapt lenses.
The Sony A6000 and A5000 seem like great options too. Except the lenses are still bigger than M43 and the lineup isn’t even close to having as many options.
Fuji? Beautiful cameras, Great IQ. A great lineup of lenses. Priced competitively. The glass is small. But until the XT1, there was a big autofocus speed compromise. Not an issue for some shooters, but it couldn’t replace a DSLR or M43 for those that need/want autofocus speed. The next generation will be even better. and should eliminated that compromise across the lineup. For someone starting out, Fuji is a great option. But is it compelling enough to switch systems from M43? Not for me, yet. And Fuji video is years behind Panasonic and Sony. Even Olympus seems like a better video choice. So no matter how great the next generation of Fuji autofocus becomes, it will likely only be on par with M43, and video will still be a compromise.
Samsung? Not for me. Sounds like the IQ isn’t there yet.
DSLRs? Canon seems incapable of making something sexy. Nikon? No thanks.
So while I share your hopes for a better sensor, the M43 system, while not flawless, is still my favorite option. And even if the sensors get a modest bump to 20 megapixels, I’m more interested in having a great lens lineup (those new Olympus offerings will be sweet), and the great variety of camera bodies in different shapes and sizes still keeps me interested.
I agree on the various mirrorless, they are all flawed and mostly overpriced. That is why I am still shooting DSLRs. You see, I don’t need sexy, I need something that really works, and prices are better, so it’s an easy choice indeed.
The Sony A6000 is a GX7 killer. Bigger better sensor, far more evolved camera and $450 for a new body. I’d say the Fuji’s are GX7 killers (X-E2) but the video is poor. The images and that sensor on the other hand outclass the panasonic offerings.
That said, I’m a creature of habit and like M4/3rds, but if I didn’t have a a lot of glass for the Panny I’d go for the Sony
I’m tempted by the A6000 and rumored A7000. But what lenses would you get? I hear that the 55mm is great. But that’s the only stellar offering I’ve heard about.
it was gone Sparky
I’m really hopeful for meaningful upgrade. I have purchased two MFT cameras in the past year since dumping my SLR gear. and enjoy them both, but they have their flaws. One will be adressed with the eM5 with the 40 mpx mode (would improve my landscape photos).
But still, I’m starting to think this format is only useful when the camera is small (GM1, GM5, ePM2, etc). Anything larger and I dont really see the point in not going for a Sony full frame or even an SLR.
Sony Fullframe needs big long fullframe lenses. It is quite that simple.
Short small lenses are not sharp in the corners and suffer from vignetting.
A7 adresses the “small camera big sensor” fraktion of customers that don’t understand its constrains.
The thing is, my GX7 with a 12-35 isnt much easier to carry than an A7xx with a sony 28-70. So size really isn’t a comparison factor. Yes the panny is an f/2.8 but I still think I’d get better shots with the sony.
Sony FE Zeiss 28-70 is F4… F2.8 will be much larger (when they make it).
I suspect we will not a F2.8 zoom for a long time –
Reviews of the Sony and Zeiss zooms decent at best IQ wise. And they are F4 almost negating the larger sensor better properties. Then there is the lack of serious other lenses for the A7 system as well. Also almost all reviewers agree that the A7 camera aren’t the fastest and most intuitive camera’s ever made(although it’s much better with latest A7-II). I rather have a good m43 camera like gX7 or an OM-D.
Good points. I think people dog on Sony/Zeiss glass more than they deserve. Flickr pools of those lenses look stellar to me.
Nevertheless, I would love to compare my GX7/12-35 f/2.8 vs the A7ii/28-70, and even toss in an E-M1/12-40 with 5 axis. I have no idea whether any of those would stand out over the others.
I agree to a point – they are decent lenses – but one you are paying $1100 for a 55mm F1.8 then you better have a dam good lens – I think Sony is sucking their customers on the Zeiss branding – now only 5 Sony branded FE mount lenses while they have 10 Zeiss FE branded lenses –
just crazy
I agree – I own the A7 – where the A7 wins out is with the primes like the 55mm F1.8 with more shallow DOF or more Bokeh – but of course no IS in lens and no IBIS – one has to fork out $1800 for the A7 II – which has IBIS but still the same sensor – the A7 is pretty nice overall but still I prefer my GX7;s – such a joy to use – I do not expect Sony ever to come out with F2.8 zooms – just F4.0 – so the A7 is more as a second shooter – as if one needs pro gear one better get a DSLR like the Nikon D810 or D750 etc
And that’s exactly why I went Fuji.
An XE-2 or XT-1 is no larger than a EM1. Better IQ, Much better DR.
But M43 has its place for some things.
But those lenses are grip
if you go Sony A – then you are back to large heavy DSLR size – if you go with A7 series – then yes a smaller and light body but a total lack of lenses – no 70-200mm F2.8 no 24-70mm F2.8 etc – and most all Zeiss branded which means big price – so I would say the A7 is not for everyone – and one better just go with DSLR’s for more lens selection –
the Nikon D750 for example is a great value – I do own the A7 so I am speaking from experience – I have also been waiting forever for more lenses for Sony’s E mount – and not fast zooms on the way – I do have two GX7’s and love them and yes there is the 70-200mm F2.8 from Panasonic and Olympus has a great one as well
Agree on all accounts, specifically the price and size of lenses for the A7 series. Thats whats held me back. I have a Gx7, which IMO is great with smaller MFT lenses P20, Oly45, etc… even the 14-42 kit. But once you mount a nice std zoom (12-35 etc) it feels really goofy to me. I want more in my hands.
So I think I am looking at this as an EM-1 + 12-40 vs the A7ii + 28-70, and essentially keep those lenses mounted to the body. The size difference is not going to be that great. While I am not sure if the faster Oly lens is enough to compensate for the larger A7 sensor in terms of low light IQ. Which one will give better results? Because honestly the Gx7/12-35 f2.8 didnt blow me away interms of as light gathering compared to the kit lens.
A GX7 with 4K, audio in and IBIS working in video mode.
Question? Is your dayly memory-brain-chip small and must be clearde all night?
The show goes on like last years–so now, oh wounder the G7/ 4k-cam is coming.
oh my good… i must call my..
Sony drives round with APS-C 4k cam not to fall into the big expensive FS-7 Camera..
okidoki.
5-axis IBIS and flippable screen (so you can see the screen from the front) for a new GX8 is a must. A better EVF would be useful as well. 4K video isn’t vital right now.
In truth it would be better if they shrunk the form factor a bit so that it was closer to the GM1 size with enhanced GX7 features.
Faster EVF/LCD switch. Better EVF switch sensor. Even though I have used to it, it still stands out as GX7 deficiencies to me.
Better thumb rest on the back wouldn’t hurt either.
Oh, an yeah, as said elsewhere: also weather sealing and DFD.
Weather sealing should become standard feature for all enthusiast level cameras.
New GX with mic input please, and 1080p/96. it would be nice. And same batteries as GX7. If there will be an new and better EVF, i’m afraid it will be not tiltable anymore…
You are too slow. GX7 has been discontinued for at least 4 months. This is not rumor, not even news now. It was discontinued so early because it was flawed from the start, with a poor quality EVF, and an IBIS that is close to useless. A tiltable screen and mike input will be needed for it to be really an all-in-one camera at this level.
It has a tiltable screen, it needs a flippable one, agree with the rest of your critiques.
Typical mindless coment from someone who does not own the GX7. The EVF is very good – and most of us (who own it) do NOT see the phantom rainbow or smearing on it. Nonsense. The IBIS actually works well (like most other brands), and should NOT be compared to the class-leading Oly 5-axix IS.
Next time try to comment about something you actually own, and if you say you do, then you are a liar, like MrALLCRAP.
well many people comment about te quality of a camera or lens without owning or used it , so we should consider this to be normal attitude, nomatter he is right or not.
Seems like this MrALLCRAP is biting my style…Might have to have a few words with him if I ever see him comment around these parts…
And I for one used to own a GX7. I was a first day purchaser. Great camera, yet I needed more I.Q., so I sold it and got a Fuji.
HOWEVER, if I can find a black one for a steal, I would pick another up. It’s the Swiss knife of M43. There is no rival.
While the EM5’s 5-axis may be better for video (vs. GX7 which doesn’t even support stabilization during video), the GX7’s 2-axis stabilization actually performs better than EM5. Extremely thorough test over at tysonrobichaudphotography blog if you want to check it out. Pretty unbelievable.
You don’t know what the Hell you’re talking about. You come here as 5,000 different fictitious posters per week, throw mud about everything, at everyone, just hoping it will stick to something or someone. You are an insipid punk and you know it.
The GX7 is a much better camera than YOU will ever need.
The EVF is slightly smaller than the competition in the price point, but the resolution is tied with the best of them, so it’s much sharper than most, so I don’t mind it.
IBIS is a step above any of the implementations except for the 5-axis type. I can handhold 1/15s with good sharpness with a 50mm lens (so 100mm equivalent). So that’s 2.5 stops of effectiveness. If that’s useless, I don’t know what you need your camera to do for you…
Discontinued or not, still a great little video camera.
Umm, no. It’s not the GX7 that is marked as discontinued at B&H. It’s the COMBO of GX7 with 20mm that is discontinued. Look at other options (lens only, 14-42), you’dd see they aren’t discontinued.
Also, the fact that this combo is being phased out should have been obvious to anyone (like me) watching it over time at amazon.
I picked up a second hand GX7 for £350 in the UK this summer. Pretty close to perfect camera in my opinion. Far too many postives to list, but the highlights include handling/ customisation, silent mode and timelapse options. A few gripes such as the sensor seeming to attract dust which is not removed by the shake mechanism (mine wasn’t in A+ condition though), poor battery life, no Auto ISO in manual mode, panaroma mode temperamental.
right on – the GX7 is a superb camera – I own two – my highlights are the 4 Fn physical keys and 5 Fn soft – the Touch LCD with Touch To Focus and shoot – great size and weight – silent mode – 3axis IBIS – C1 C2 C3+ and on and on –
I do own Sony NEX5n/NEX7/Olympus OMD-em1/em5/Sony A6000/Sony A7/GM1 and Nikon DSLR’s – and by far the GX7 is the most fun to use – now the Sony A6000 sensor is a bit better of course APS-C – so for GX8 I would see improvement in the sensor, 5axis IBIS – an improved EVF – 4k and a Mic In – and of course at a price lower then the A6000 or new A7000 –