Lesnumerqiues ripped the Sony 5 axis system in many pieces and confirmed the technique is very different from the one used by Olympus. Olympus uses a mechanical spring while the Sony version has magnets and a rotary ball system.
Lesnumerqiues ripped the Sony 5 axis system in many pieces and confirmed the technique is very different from the one used by Olympus. Olympus uses a mechanical spring while the Sony version has magnets and a rotary ball system.
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“Turning on the OM-D camera energizes a coil and magnet arrangement that causes the image sensor to float in magnetic suspension. This allows the image sensor to move freely, so it can be rotated or moved vertically or horizontally depending on the movement of the camera. It can also be used to compensate for the gentle vibration that occurs when the user is walking, such as when recording video.”
http://www.olympus-global.com/en/technology/technology/omd/vol02/
So Olympus doesn’t use any mechanical contact (magnetic field), while Sony uses bearing. Right?
There are coils (springs) that holds sensor not floating off the cage and are used to lock sensor down when IBIS is disabled. But it is magnetically freely floating sensor otherwise.
I think both IBISes are the mixture of the two methods.
It can’t be purely magnetic levitation, because when IBIS/camera is off, sensor should be fixed to something.
It can’t be purely mechanical, since mechanics has relatively high limit on precision movements.
When combined, mechanics can handle large movements which do not require pixel-level precision. The magnetic field then can fine-tune the position of the sensor and at the same time compensate the sensor inertia during large mechanical moves.
When OM-D is turned off, sensor moves freely in body, not fixed to one position. The sensor just stays freely moving hanging from springs.
Right. Mine does it too.
FYI, “roulement à billes” = “bearing” 🙂
I think to have read Sony advertising that the “sony” 5 axis system is able to give a 4 stops advantage in term of shake free shots. Does anybody know if the IBIS from Olympus is better in that respect ?
Yes.
No.
yes 5 stop !!!!
Sad that you don’t know….
The Olympus systems is supposed to be 5 stops.
Oopz, you are wrong.
Cipa rates sony System at 4.5 Stops while it rates Olympus EM1 at 4 Stops.
Olympus initially claimed 5 stops but Cipa testing with their methods yielded only 4 stops
http://asia.olympus-imaging.com/products/dslr/em1/feature/03/
“The in-body 5-axis image stabilization system is equipped which compensates all types of camera shake that typically occurs during shooting (providing 4 steps*1 of compensation)”
*1 Based on CIPA standards (M.Zuiko Digital ED 12-50mm f3.5-6.3 EZ is used with the focal length of 50mm (35mm equivalent focal length: 100mm)). 5 steps of compensation were possible under our measurement conditions.
The smaller sensor of m43 has more space to move it’s a air/spring system up to 5 stop, the sony is magnetic up to 4 stop.
I prefere my olympus at this time.
Olympus is as well a magnetic. But both need a mechanical coupling to lock sensor if needed and add friction to movement so magnetic field can be used to move sensor around and rotate it.
A smaller sensor that has a smaller pixel pitch means that movement needs to be far more accurate than larger sensor with larger pixel pitch.
A 16Mpix m4/3 sensor is equivalent to 64Mpix Small Format sensor, and the IBIS is same level technology for moving such size sensor. So multiple times better than Sony’s.
I can take few second shots handheld with 25-60mm focal lengths with Olympus with high success rate. Meaning the IBIS effectiveness is closer to 6-8 stops. But it is individual skill based effectiveness that is purely from how well you can keep camera steady. So I believe I could get at least 4 stops with Sony.
🙂 Lets see some pictures at 6-8 stops of Stabilization that you got..
There is nothing to see from those photos, as they are perfectly sharp like taken from camera on support or even tripod like any longer exposure photos.
4-5 second shutter speed with 25-60mm focal length isn’t impossible taken by handheld.
What you would need to see, is to be there when such photos are taken.
The m4/3 system benefits are not just small size and lightweight, its benefit is to get one or two stops more light than APS-C or Small Format, meaning longer exposure in handheld, less need for tripod, less powerful flashes or more flash cycles from same battery etc. Throw there IBIS that Olympus has and photography is totally different ballgame compared to bigger cameras, more flexible, more creative, funnier, higher success rate, less stress, less hassle with camera etc etc.
How do you spot DSLR/APS-C/Small Format shooter among OM-D shooters? He is staring rear LCD or tweaking settings worried, while OM-D shooter already knows the successful shot and continues shooting.
3.2 secondes olympus FTW omd em5 with equiv 85mm @F/16
If it is really taken handheld without any support, then it is impressive
don’t forget the em5 sensor is very very very sharp the sharpest on m43, for this photo some concentration needed and just my two elbows, easy …
I can show you a picture of 3.2 seconde handheld by a olympus em5 equiv 85mm perfectely sharp. With the sony 5 axis you can’t do this. It help sometimes very well.
Yes and 4-5 seconds with E-M1.
didnt the lonestar website had an article about higher mp or smaller pitch are more sensitive for blur?and illustration showed that microshakes smaller then such pitch were less of a problem then if the pitch value was smaller. But, that was in the time of 2mp vs 6mp sensors. Now pitch values are dramatically further reduced.
It has nothing in common with Oly
Also have nothing to do with 4/3 rumors
come on Yun, be more open for some non mft stuff now and then 😉
Comparing a non-m4/3 tech to m4/3 tech makes it belong to here.
well, there has been some (wild, unfounded) speculation here on the 5-axis IBIS on the Sony coming from Olympus – so this information is definitely on-topic on this forum.
Considering everyone who visits photography forums are mostly at the obsessive compulsive disorder level regarding gear, everyone will be visiting Sony Rumors after this one anyway.mwho the heck are you trying to fool
These comments are going to be hysterical today from all the would-be scientists. 🙂
was always my dream as a lil boy
its amazing that Sony has pulled this off with a FF sensor in such a small camera body. Apparently the build and ergonomics have improved greatly, too. Now ..if I could just use my MFT lenses on it the world would be better. LOL!
the A7has cropmodes…surely some chinese wizardwill showup with some mft to emount adapter 😉
It could be an interesting experiment.
I saw a M4/3 to NEX lens adaptor on eBay at one point. Of course the ideal lenses to try adapting would be the all manual SLR Magic and Voigtländer lenses, not electronic lenses.
Jeff any idea about the image circles for those lenses in comparison with the aps cropmodes? some mft lenses cover the aps image circle, but most of them need contacts for the aperture control.
Guys…why would you want to play basketball with a footbal????
hey you started lol
Guess I should have clarified….it was a fantasy where the image circle from my lenses would magically cover the FF sensor! …and mount with no adapter.
45/1.8, 20/1.7, 75/1.8 do cover aps-c image circle
samyang fisheye doesn’t, but it’s good candidate still for aps-c (you get 180 horizontal view)
just curious how it performs in real world, better, equal or worse.
See the TheCameraStoreTV video review on YT. The IBIS is clearly effective in real world.
thankyou, according to Jordan halfway the video, its very good but not as effective as the E-M1. Still an interesting camera though!
Hi Ulli, I didn’t notice that in the video. Would you mind mentioning the mm:sec where he makes the statement. Also was it for Video or Stills?
Jordan or whatever his name is talks about the video/ibis at 09:50 and shows the effect of it in a short video shot from a car.
i think the link starts at that moment:
http://youtu.be/eD-Vx9dcp-U?t=9m50s
Thanks for the Link to the Video. I heard it now thanks. But yeah as I thought it was for the video.
Of course Oly win on this one .
The A7m2 should come with new sensor ( the one in A9 ) instead of this IBIS , which only useful for amateurs .
Pro photographers should have certain holding speed , not really make full use of it especially for a small camera such as A7 .
Well for me I would prefer the ibis in an A7 rather then just some vague new sensor Yun. While its true that some photographers can compensate with a steady position against blur…they cant do it while handheld video while moving. I have the impression the A7 wont show much difference in the field with handheld video vs the E-M/P5 series..maybe except in the stills dept.
So, Canon and Nikon should remove IS from all their pro lenses? Like the 300mm f2.8, 400mm f2.8, 500mm f4.0 etc?
Should AF then also be for amateurs only? I mean, Pro’s should able to focus right?
Come on ..
You know long tele lens ( above 300mm ) need IS badly .
Yes for auto focus , how many of them can shoot in proper without AF especially in crucial moment ?
That was exactly my point, you said that the A7 didn’t need IBIS (it does), Pros don’t need IBIS (they do).That’s what you said, not me.
How many Pro’s buy the Sony A series? I wouldn’t have thought it would be as many as amateurs.
Worse. Not as good as E-M1. But still not as bad as OIS. So it gets between those two.
Hi Where did you see this info? Stills or Video?
For both. There are multiple reviews and many say the IBIS isn’t as effective as OM-D E-M1.
It doesn’t make it bad tech and will help Sony shooters to get better results.
I saw the EOSHD one which talks about Video only. Can you please point me to other reviews which compares the Image Stabilization with EM1 for stills?
Gary Fong and the camera store.
You won’t be shooting 2-3 seconds exposure with the A7 ii
Yes, cause Sony shooters have to stop down a lot in order to avoid corner problems.
Very impressive.
I glad that the new E-M5m2 is coming soon with its new and revolutionary technology so that Sony does not run away with this market.
I believe you meant E=mc²
Seriously E-M5² would be a cool name!
lol
The springs are in the old 2-axis IBIS. Lesnumeriques is not doing their homework.
NIce tech, but lets stop comparing M43 with this FF beast of Sony. Even without IBIS Sony is much more better for pictures ( and video in comparison to Oly) IBIS is only good food still portraits. As always Sony brings out the really really good stuff. 2 years ago nobody ever thought FF in such compact body was even possible. And now we have it with IBIS. I really do not understand people who are still buying M43 and settle for that mediocre quality or trying to convince other people that M43 is on par with FF or that M43 is so much smaller. It is not…. just face the facts and if you want to spend money do it on a system with some future and not M43 with that very small sensor which is not getting any better (EM5 with that terrible quality and now the new EM5 with that same old crappy sensor). I now its the lenses they say but thats just ignoring the facts that Sony/Zeiss and Mitakon bringing out some superb lenses.
I dont know what you do with your photos, but MFT delivers more than enough, unless you are used to work with MF photography.
It’s still terrible for high ISO, even APS-C cameras from years ago are better at that. I guess you never have to shoot in say dark reception halls, event spaces, restaurants or bars, in situations where flash is not appropriate or practical. I guess you all are just daytime “street” shooters or taking pictures of flowers whilst going on hikes. We are not talking about shallow DOF we are talking high ISO and dynamic range.
It is so terrible!! My eyes hurt.
Still everybody likes my prints from ISO3200 pics…
Funny, I always encourage my friends with their DSLR to bring it to some events or christmas market, so we can do some photo fun together. But all I hear is no it is so heavy. I don’t always want to have to look for it.
Instead they take some pics with their phones than. So my terrible small sensor pics are really useless I guess 😀
In bars, restaurants and event spaces etc you are photographing people, and you need to get those people in focus and that means toy need to crank aperture to around f/8-11 to get them in focus. Then you need to crank ISO up and up to keep shutter speed fast enough.
And there you are, m4/3 delivers always a two stop advantage to either get shutter speed two times faster or ISO two times smaller, or one stop for both.
M4/3 wins in usability, quality, amount in keepers and isn’t so big and clumsy and you can even see what you get.
You don’t need to go to F8, you obviously have never done this. An f1.8 m43 would be about 3.6 on FF… so 3.6 would be fine since that’s what you’re doing on m43 because I know you all you m43 guys shoot wide open all the time (you have no choice)
If m4/3 is required to go f4-5.6 range, you need to go always twice as much with Small Format.
You are just a idiot who believe everyone shoot wide open all the time.
yes i am a “just” photographer, i am perfectly aware that a smaller sensor perfforms different then a bigger one in dark light scenarios. I jsut didnt know that darkness can make one pretending to be more then he actually is.
It is hard to understand your english, but in this shot there were just 4 lightbulbs plus a Plasma TV in the room. Not what I would call a good light conditions…
yes you right, i dont understand it either, when reading it.
while i get the message of you pic and shows it well, from a point a view as a photographer its not really a moodful photo. in bad light you must be able to include a certain mood if you can understand me this time, in what i want to try to say.
Now you know why I always insist on the OrganicTech .
Current m4/3 sensors is good enough & once the 88dB sensor arrive , it’s all over for this ISO & DR debate .
Yun it will never be over lol
ISO 10000 of a crap EM1 plus a Samyang 85mm f1.4
ISO 6400 of the same crap EM1 plus the same lens…
Aside from the shallow DOF, it looks like a cell phone shot or a bad video… lol
Good troll…
so a small room had 5 light sources and the quality still came out that poorly? lol….
Do you have a cell phone from 2050? Then no, that shot does not look anything like what a cell phone in 2014 or even 2015 can produce.
I should say it looks like a cell phone shot if I actually had a cell phone.
But I have seen pictures of cameras, so I’m quite the expert there.
Joaquin… that is a great ISO6400 image in terms of controlling noise. What are your ACR or lightroom settings for noise reduction?
That is normal ISO 6400 quality…. Not bad or special.
My previous E30 had a top ISO of 3200 and it was nothing to be used, anything over ISO 400 started to produce a lot of noise. This 6400 ISO is actually very good, very usefull, and at least as good as any actuall APS-C sensor. I am aware that FF ISO is another story, there are 2 stops advantage in ISO terms. The EM1 is as good as many pro cameras few years older. So people should change their mind about small sensor pics.
I didn’t mean to iplify it is somehow bad, but neither that it is expectional, as neither is A7S regarding the quality.
The quality we get today from m4/3 since OM-D and EP-M2 is far more than enough.
Today even saying X is best in noise is useless talk as with software we can do amazing things if someone cares so much about noise.
Hi Bhima, the picture I showed it was precessed with Lightroom. Just BW adjust, correction fo luminance and I allways reduce sharpening mask in LR and in PS. After that I think I reduced noise 20 points in LR. Nothing speciall. With PS and Nosieware the picture can be totally noisefree, and being a portrait probably it would be a good idea to do so, but I was just trying the limits of the EM1. I have the same picture at ISO 1000. Regards.
Meh, I shoot in dark reception halls and indoor spaces all the time. Shooting RAW up to 3200 ISO with a bit of post work seems to work out well… just as well as it did on my Nikon D7000:
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3947/15515272592_345c4212b8_h.jpg
“Just as well” as a camera from 2010… awesome
A camera from 2010 that people still use today to make great photos. Just like professionals still are getting paid by using a 2008 Canon 5D mark 2.
I buy a new camera every six months.
At least that’s what I call scrapbooking pictures of cameras I’ll never own.
Latest m4/3 sensor can go up to ISO 3200 with clean & clear imaging .
The next ( GX7 successor) is expect to penetrate into ISO 6400 with clean & clear imaging .
That is more than sufficient to shoot in any dark places .
Btw , you don’t know how to shoot with SS in low night & keep in mind , GX7 is the first world record holder hit -4EV in low night focusing
So the system is useless because you think its high ISO is “terrible”?
ISO 2500 in bad light. Looks fine to me.
Yes, it is obvious that FF has better DR than this format, its simple physics, however people like you make it out to be more exaggerated than it actually is. If a person sucks at photography, they will suck regardless what format they will use.
i’m sorry but that quality is awful, and i can only imagine how bad it would look in color…
Perfect then, enlighten me with some of your shots.
Yep this is terrible.
Perfect then, enlighten me with some of your shots, would love to learn.
Or small dark rooms with little holes in the walls.
Why waste your time on someone who don’t know photographing .
The only explanation I got is he have limited knowledge in photography works , rely on something big to deliver & impress .
Myself is Sony member & quite regular patrolling it’s outlets , the way I look at a7 photos even convince me , m4/3 definitely comparable with a7 .
It’s the matter of who behind the entire photography works .
no i like to talk sometimes, and i dont mind if another format is better in IQ….after all it has never been my goal to get the best i can get. Otherwise I would have never decided for the MFT. My motivation is mostly based on other aspects then just IQ only.
You must be new in photography because you believe no Small Format camera was possible to be made so compact body…
Check what Olympus did 1972 with OM-1 and whole OM line. Smaller and more compact than Canon and Nikon, smaller and compact objectives with higher quality and faster too.
M4/3 can be made very small, but the camera is then unusable as the body would be so small. Like compare Panasonic GM1 to Sony A7 and you can see huge difference.
Small Format is dying, there is not such amount of skilled photographers who want to carry a huge objectives with small body and Small Format will always require the larger objectives. And unedicated Small Format fans are panicking just like you because the quality level to meet all needs were passed few years ago.
If you care about small difference in quality, better sell away Small Format while you get money from it and buy a m4/3 to company a Medium Format. Small Format is just a compromise and not good in either one as those two are.
You make a fantastic point here. I have just purchased my second Mamiya medium format camera and find the need for small format (aka full frame, aka 35mm) lies somewhere between wanting detail & tonal range of MF for specific photos & portability, speed and flexibility of M43. These options really cover all my needs as a photographer that works from remote Australian deserts in 45° heat to sweaty stinking nightclubs of Melbourne.
Another point that comes to mind is that if Oly is about to use its IBIS for sensor-shift I would suggest it is vastly improved than it was since it’s EM5/EM1/EM10 revisions (I know EM10 is 3 axis buts it’s still R&D)
A 40mp image easily resolved with current lenses is nothing to ignore. By the 3rd revision of this tech there won’t be any need for full frame. The latest digital medium format cameras (645Z) have come at a much lower price point too. The market pressure isn’t where you think.
I was in the only Camera shop (store) in Geelong the other day and they were rearranging their windows as per popularity. Cannon was their best selling brand followed by Olympus in 2nd & Nikkon in third; the first time a brand had outsold one of the Canikons since the store had opened.
“No one can compete with Olympus’ features for the price” to quote the salesman. Panasonic are chewing into a different corner of the camera market too.
I would be vary wary of M43 if I were any manufacturer.
M43 (E-M10) and its ‘mediocre quality’ managed to win this dpreview challenge recently:
http://www.dpreview.com/challenges/Challenge.aspx?ID=10154
You are mistaken that Sony is better with video than Olympus. I own the NEX-7, NEX-5R and A7 and none come close to the video quality I’m getting with my E-M5.
Really? this crowd is getting desperate. I had a em5 since day one, I tell you, The gh2 arguable still better than the em5 in the video department. Go actually buy an a7 or the a7s and you will see the difference.
I have the A7 as my post indicates. The A7S is another story.
FYI: In my book, nothing trumps detail. Not dynamic range, not color, and not ISO performance—without the detail, the rest is superfluous. The E-M5 has loads more detail than the Sony units I mention above.
then you *are* crazy…..lol
And you’re a child.
you either don’t know what you’re doing, are lying or are crazy…….
How many times do I have to upvote myself to prove how smart I am?
It is definately an attractive proposition, but i cant swing it in my head… when i want to shoot 35mm i have an f2.8 option which only gives the a711 only a 2/3 stop dof and iso advantage… the 50mm f1.8 is more attractive offering me 1 2/3 stop over the 25mm f1.4.
For zooms the 70-200f4 is actually quite small in the hand, but still larger than the 35-100 panasonic and a stop slower, meaning again we are talking about a whole new camera system for 1 stop iso and dof… this pretty much goes across the board.
So my real reasoning for getting one woukd be to use some of my older mf lenses, but a metabones speedbooster would get me within 1 stop of the a711 dof etc. And it only costs 400.
It really isnt cut and dry. Fo rmy product work if this new sensor shift mp boost turns into a reality then again my choice has been reaffirmed. One of sonys main failings right now is still the lack of lenses but particularly lenses that realize the full sensor size difference. Right now i an shoot with a variety of optics and bodies (i even use om macro lenses on a kippon t&s adapter for some product work giving me a 100mm ts macro and a 200mm ts adapter all because of the larger om image circle).
Truely we are spoiled for choice.
I totally agree with you. For me the FF sweet spot is 85mm & 135mm—both should be at f1.2 and f2 respectively for this format to make a difference. And I would want these lenses to be auto focus which Sony has yet to produce.
M4/3 with the 42.5mm f1.2 has neutralized much of the FF advantage—at least it has for me.
Classic portrait FOV is my fav spot too. I like it on both MFT and 24×36, also realising the impact on the image when comparing both formats. Shoot with an EOS 85mm L or an Helios 40-2 85mm and compare with cheap M.Zuiko 45mm…its kinda hard for me to say which format i prefer as I like all those lenses mentioned.
Hey Joseph. I am sure sony will get around to it… The question is, how large will they be and how expensive… We are talking about sony who produced their replacement fast 50 with Zeiss and it cost an arm and half a leg.
There is really no mystery here. If sony make a 35mm f1.8 to realize the full 2 stop sensor size difference I would imagine it would be significantly larger than both the 17mm f1.8 and the 35mm f2.8 they currently have.
Really there is no free lunch here, slow lenses on a bigger sensor dont yield the full advantage, and in good light where we are not challenged by higher ISOs there is little difference between the systems.
I’ve always believed that both formats are valid. That’s why I continue to use both.
Some day when both formats have reached full maturity, I know that both formats will still be in my bag.
It works like crap too. They should have bought the Olympus one.
But the Olympus one is only for tiny M43 sensors. The Sony one is designed for a proper full frame sensor. That would be a step backwards.
Exactly, it already started with the advantage, unlike the noisy m43 sensor which is even starting to fall to 1-inch sensors…
That’s right anonymou… i mean Hugh… crap, which name did i use last?
trolls are hungry today…
you already tested it:)
I’ve seen enough tests in video mode to make the judgement. in stills it’s fine.
can you give links so we get more educated too?
This new Sony A7ii is great news, you can now pick up a like new A7 for less than $900. FF for some situations is great fun and now I can have both FF and M43 for a very reasonable cost. Best of all worlds.
Great view. I have my EM1 for portraits with the Only 75 and 45 and I’ll be receiving the A7ii with a 35mm for everything else. We don’t have to be all or nothing with these systems. I’d have a Pentx 645Z if I could afford it 🙂
Being a M4/3 user I don’t know why allways people have to end comparing different tools. I would love to have my EM1 toghether with a Sony A7. This last one is really nice and I do not care how it is the IBIS as long as it have one that help produce nice pics.
This is good news. Now there is competition among IBIS systems, which should push each to become better.
It is not a competition. The thing about m43 is it is not really relevant to Sony. Only the few diehard fan on a m43 forum cares and pretend there is competition. The m43 market has matured few years ago and is stagnant. Sony is after a much larger market share than mirror less. going straight for the big 2. Ballz if you ask me. Only company who has the dough to play ball is Samsung if they cared. Apple obviously couldn’t care less about a 50 billion annual (entire consumer camera market) industry. They sell that much iphones in a quarter. Wait I forget my point…..oh yeah Sony don’t care about m43, they want a 35% share in total consumer camera sales. Canikon…your move.
lol
Of course it’s relevant. m43 is what prevented Sony to dominate the market with APSC mirrorless, after running away from Canikon when the Alpha DSLR line fail to leave its mark.
FF mirrorless is an attempt to create a niche with the hope of flanking pesky DSLRs and other mirrorless cameras in the far future, if they manage to keep their eye on the ball that long, that is. But it’s Sony so we know they won’t.
A company that views it has no competition, especially starting from the bottom, is doomed to fail.
Like the guy above you need to get off your lazy %^& and go read the financial reports. If you think Sony is spending all this dough to go after a matured 12-15% market share in consumer cameras or create a niche! your out of your mind.
Sony is going after the same market Fuji, Samsung and m43 are going after. Slowly leaving pure volume sales to higher profit sales from less numerous, well off photo enthusiasts than the soccer moms and PnS upgraders of a few years ago.
A bit like Nintendo pulling profits from decreased market share every generation.
Read all you want, I don’t think it will make you any wiser.
Thanks for the quote!
Photography as we knew it is long past.
Yes, photography now borders on being a niche market—that’s why most camera makers are struggle financially.
“Read all you want, I don’t think it will make you any wiser.”
What are you talking about? Are you still replying to the right person? If you want to call 50billion dollar market “niche” fine, don;t pretend your still on topic.
Stagnant? GH4, PL 42.5mm f1.2, the Olympus 40-150mm f2.8—this is far from stagnation.
I guess you got sucked in by Sony’s philosophy of more bodies than lenses.
Don’t get me wrong, Sony is innovative, but the m4/3 partners are also innovative.
Who is talking about innovation? Do yourself a favor go read the sales reports. 15% market share for mirror less for 5-6 years is by definition stagnate? It is starting to move…why? you guessed it, Sony camera sales is up. Go read them I am not here to argue about facts.
Numbers mean nothing in a receding market.
“Numbers mean nothing in a receding market.”? anyways, here is another piece of info. After reading Olympus financial reports. I guarantee you they are still in the camera business just for the brand recognition. There medical imaging equipment is whats keeping them afloat.
Dont forget the R&D in imagine as well as the volume from their imaging division helps with the development and cost of their medical division.
As well as consumer recognition, and pride.
you are just trying to to ignate something. very silly.
Wait a minute here. When the Oly 5-axis IBIS came out, we were told that the sensor system uses magnets (there was no mention of a spring). Go back and look at the early literature on the E-M5. So what is the real story?
Already talked before.
No springs.
There are springs, you can see those yourself. But they are not the stabilization system itself, that is done magnetically.
I’ve been duped by the trolls on 43 rumors.
Breakdowns revealed not only a spring, but expanding rubber rings and a plastic pulley. You’ve been duped by the thugs at Olympus.
does it really matter how it works, sometimes i think the people here are just looking for something to complain about.
I think Id might invest in sony if they ever came out with a crop 1 4:3 sensor.
To me, this is the end of M43 as a professional system. Sony threw down the Gauntlet and NOW we’ll see serious FF Mirrorless cameras from Canikon.
M43 will lose even more market share when this happens and unless Olympus either lowers prices considerably or Join Sony in FF, they’re done.
Panasonic would be in the same boat, but they’re a leader in video, and it seems they get M43, which is being Smaller than everyone else. Besides, Companies love doing business with them.
I truly think that M43 is going to lose serious marketshare in 2015 to where some serious changes will be made. I wouldn’t invest in any expensive M43 glass, right now.
M43 a few years back had little competition. Now Sony is taking marketshare from them and Fuji as well. BOTH have better, larger sensors than M43.
M43 is just about done, in MY opinion.
Only true if you are using one lens only. As far as lens choice & quality is concerned, M43 still on top. I can put 2 bodies & 5 lenses – from super WA to super telephoto into one small bag. No super-wide available for Fuji/Sony
Last time I checked, Fuji had a way more comprehensive and better range than m43. Yes, there are many lenses… like the black 20 1.7, the silver 20 1.7, the black 20 1.7 II, the silver 20 1.7 II and tons of kit lens lens variations plus some good lenses. Both Sony and Fuji have super wide options that are better than the Panasonic 7-14.
The 7-14 Panasonic is wider than the Fuji 10mm. Lack of touch screen (Fuji, some Sony) is a very serious issue for me – I wouldn’t buy a camera without a touch screen. Fuji/Sony lenses are also noticeably bigger & heavier. With M43 I can put together a very lightweight outfit – e.g., EPL5 with 20mm/45mm/40-150mm – or a heavy one – EM1 with Panaleica 25mm/Oly 75/Nocticron. Maybe I can do this with Sony, certainly not with Fuji. Otherwise I’m not into system hopping – M43 works for me.
With M43, I have the 20mm, the P/L25mm and a kit zoom. Everything else, I sold off.
With my Fuji, I have similar options in the 27mm, the 35mm and the kit zoom is so good, it shouldn’t be called a kit zoom. True, the M43 equivalents are smaller and lighter, but it’s not so far off, and fits in my compact camera bag, just the same.
As for the touch screen, I miss it, but the dials make up for most of it. Point is, you can do it with the Fuji system.
I’m not saying to jump ship, I just see a slow leak that’s inevitable. FF going mirrorless is something very serious that many photographers have been waiting for. Sony is running away with mirrorless, with Fuji right behind them. If M43 doesn’t create their own path, like being the very smallest option, like the GM5/GM1 or focus on video, I don’t see M43 lasting.
More lenses, but not all of them are worth buying. There’s only a few gems in the lineup, many of them are dogs…..
I think it is google translation error, mattia from mu-43 give us a more correct translation no spring whatsoever in Oly’s 5 axis IS, its magnetic coil not spring! Google translate coil = spring..
“Contrary to initial rumours, the 5-axis stabilisation developed by Sony
has nothing in common with the technology in the Olympus OM-D E-M5 and OM-D E-M1.
This assumption was made due to the numerous technological partnerships
between Sony and Olympus, which only apply to their medical imaging
departments. The stabilisation system in the Alpha 7 II is entirely
novel; Sony’s engineers started by analysing what they were already
using [in their other cameras] and what Olympus uses: systems where
sensor movements are handled by coils and magnets. The problem: on a 24 x
36 mm sensor, the coils required would be too cumbersome or
insufficiently powerful to allow accurate control. Furthermore, in
theory, mechanical coils lose their elasticity as they age. Therefore,
the decision was made to approach things differently. To make things
easier for the control units, the sensor is mounted to an ultralight
mobile platform made of magneisum alloy. Finally, and most surprisingly,
the smooth motion is ensured by a system of ball bearings directly
inspired by the anti-earthquake systems used in many Japanese
buildings.”