One of my best sources told me that one of the Panasonic next MFT cameras will be an entry-level camera with 4K video. No details yet on specs and release. The next major photography event is the CP+ show in February so maybe it will be announced around that time…
UDPATE: And I got info about a second non-4K MFT cameras right now. Hope to get details about that one soon too…
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All next Panasonic camera will have 4k as basic feature, and new GH will have 8k???
Give us sensor-based image stabilization on video instead please
4K/60P is more likely than 8K.
And options for higher framerate for lower resolutions, let’s say 1080p/240fps?
8K is the way to go 😉 !
I don’t get this Pana .
Everytime 4K video ?
What about imaging ???
I start to wonder what Pana is making , a camera or video cam ?
both, you just too grumpy
With better and better video capability, soon we don’t need stills. Just shoot away and extract your stills from the video later. You don’t have to spend as much time walking around and composing photos, so you can spend more precious time in front of the computer screen doing post-processing work instead. That’s where the real action happens, not out in the real world.
All other companies focus mostly on stills, I’m glad at least one company focuses more on video!
Yes , surprisingly it come from a sensor making company .
Why is that surprising? Sensors aren’t just for stills photography, they are required for video too.
And you should focus on learning the basics…
Ger out of here Viezuvure infamous Troll, you place is in a cave!
If the processing pipeline can handle 4K anyway, why not just include it in every camera?
I mean, actually we should be glad Panasonic is not artificially crippling their entry level cams features just to make them more distinguishable.
I would see that as a positive trend.
Maybe its the snobberish thinking “video nay photo yay”.I think so too, if its possible with the hardware in a body, why not? I like the idea to do video footage after or during a session, but thats prob because its very interesting to see if a model looks as good on video or if she only shines in a still. (btw few models only know how to pose while doing video).
Don’t get it either. If you want to do video, just buy a dedicated camcorder. Ergonomics of cameras aren’t designed to shoot 30 minutes of video…
You can also shoot video in short lenghts too, not everyone shoots concerts or illegal stuff in a cinema. I find people who “dont get it” always very funny somehow.
If you want to only do stills, go find a camera that doesn’t do video. That logic sounds stupid too.
I never shoot video and don’t care about it when I buy a camera. For me, it’s an uninteresting feature coming in the package. My point here is that we are talking about an entry-level camera. 4K now is for people who do “serious” video footage and need a pro-quality material, with good ergonomics for video. Since 4K gets popular, your entry-level 4K camera will be completely outdated, and you won’t probably care anymore for for videos you made 3 or 4 years ago with it… By now, if you really need 4K for video, buy a camcorder. If you need 4K + stills, buy a GH4. The most important word here is “need”. Nothing to do with the common “I-want-4K-cuz-its-damn-cool” hype. But that’s just my opinion.
But, as demonstrated by the responses here, people want 4k, the same way they all wanted focus peaking,
People buy cameras on specifications not because the feature is useful for them.
It’s camera ‘top trumps’
Yeah, I know. I’m definitely old-school…
I think it is because the marketing people want them to make 4k video cameras so they can sell more 4k televisions. There isn’t much wrong with the current stills mft cameras anyway though, what more would you actually need in a camera?
Any news on Nokton 10,5mm shipping date?
Yes. 2015, and that’s FT5 🙂
First half of 2015. That’s FT4.
Second half of 2015. That’s FT4.
The final shipping date will be announced at CP+ in February, probably for March/April. That’s FT3.
It’s gonna start shipping in the month of your choosing (pick the one you like). That’s FT1.
Remember, you read it first here 🙂
Very good news!
Hopefully, the higher-end model will be the GX8. Currently, it is looking a bit long in the tooth compared to its brethren and, at with up to 50 percent discounts recently, it is ripe for a refresh.
Clearly, 4k will be added to all future Panasonic cameras, but I hope the next GX give us weather sealing, better ergonomics, improved EVF, headphone and microphone jacks, and the use of IBIS during video. This would be the perfect can for many.
Indeed, since the E-M5 II seems to be such a bumer.
Without new sensor , your highlighted upgrades would be pointless .
Why would it? The 4k image on the GH4 has been shown to be much better than the native 1080p image on the same camera. IBIS in video could be an OMD killer, better EVF – the LX100 isn’t bad but something like in the EM1 or Fuji XT1 would be great in the Gx8. Headphone + Mic, very helpful.
I don’t really see that a new sensor is going to be a better value than the above features. I don’t have a problem with the current sony/Panasonic 16 Mpix sensors. The only thing could be an improvement in higher ISO output.
But the sensor might be the thing that holds some of those down. GX7 for example has serious heat issues (hence no real Bulb mode and not that great high ISO performance). I really doubt it could handle 4K recording, and IBIS would probably make the heat issues even worse. And a serious camera without a proper bulb mode is kind of a joke, frankly.
Edit: or maybe it’s not as much a sensor issue, but all the circuitry than controls it? I don’t know, but I’d like to see that fixed in GX8.
so when the E-P1 came out we had to wait for a new sensor only to make an upgrade valid? I am glad I am not you Yun.
That is because no NEX & Fuji to compete against them that time .
Oly & Pana can do whatever they want but nowadays is different story .
The 3 years old 16 MP sensor again ? No way I’m going to accept it again .
yes but everyone complained Yun style at that time already …IMO the E-M5 was just a good upgrade from sensor point of view, its the sum of all things which made the impact this camera gave. Never judge a camera by its sensor only.
That is not true .
As I always said , if there is no sensor upgrade for m4/3 , APSC & FF have to be the remain the same as well ( no new sensor ) .
If one of them manage to have something new , the pace of the game suddenly become unfair .
new sensors are just in need because the camera makers know its the easiest way to sell new products. Sorry but I dont have the same new sensor virus as you have Yun. I dont mind shooting photos with a old camera like an E-1. Since the handling of that camera makes me forget about other details. I think even a Canon 1Ds would make me feel comfortable in getting good shots.
The long awaitet G7 for 499,-$ with 4k.. and we see the long awaitet Pricewar
-Sony a7000 4k vs. Samsung Nx400 4k ( maybe some more)–and so what will be?
That the sun goes up every morning?
Hope so this is coming. I will not give more if i can get same ( gh-4 minus 5% of i do not
need) for less. Fine. If Pana/Sonny/co do not mention it, i will not by a Camera
and be happy with have, or fall to the masses of 4k-smartphone users and so we will not
see us again.. Industry has joked this 4k hype now they should do their plans.
but faster, less expensive and stop the bloatwarethinking.
ONE CAMERA with all of a series in the MID, longer point of sale runnings, and i will be
on board = gh4 is on 699,-$ and taht goes 3 years, then gh-5
is that so hard to capisco? hm?
If they mean a 15 min only “entry level 4K” like LX100, than thank you, no.
You need to record more than 15m without a cut?
he is a one-shot guy
Very very common for many people to record more than 15 minutes, such as any kind of live action being filmed. Such as weddings, or dance events, or fashion shows, and so the list goes on.
I bet you use smartphone for weddings, dance events and fashion show videography as well…
We are talking ENTRY-LEVEL camera here. Not professional use that has tripods and few cameras giving different camera angles and each one holding 512GB SD-card.
Mmm, no. I bet there’s loads of non-pro’s who want to record an event that’s longer than 15 minutes. I’m not a pro and I wanted to record an event the other day that went on for longer than that. I’ve an LX100 and don’t see why I need to buy a camcorder to do so when I’ve invested a substantial amount of money on camera’s that do video.
– Interviews
– Master wide shot of an event or concert
Entry-level camera for those?
Seriously? While your points are valid, they are valid ONLY for professionals and they get professional cameras that doesn’t have a recorder limit (Panasonic GH4 is out of that as well).
Absolutely, Sir. I used to have camcorders for my multicam jobs but they all have poor low light performance, so I switched to Panasonic cameras (I have four) for two following reasons: better they low light than camcorders and non-stop recording. Panasonic is currently THE ONLY brand that offers the latter. I’d gladly replace mine with 4K models but 4 GH4s is way too expensive for me and the type of job I do. So I’m looking forward to entry level cameras with non-stop 4K recording. That’s silly to pay 1,5 grand for all the features that GH4 offers and use it as a mere unattended B-cam. All I need is GM1/GX7 with 4K.
I understand what you are saying Steve. If this is a common thing where people are recording more than 15 minutes….this will not be their camera. As mentioned in another comment above, get a camcorder if you need to keep it running.
Ever considered buying a camcorder ? I think Panasonic even makes such things…
Yay, high quality 4K for the masses! Hopefully this could be a good B cam alternative to the GH4.
only untill 8k arrives lol
Yay, high quality 4K for the masses! Hopefully this could be a good B cam alternative to the GH4.
I’m guessing this will be the Panasonic G7 perhaps?
Yes .
G7 for some readers here yelling for it .
G7 next then
is GX an entry level for Panasonic? I hope so.
I really don’t think about a new G. Serie G was never done for video.
Panasonic want to be the first to release 4k entry cam. So i think it will be an new GM (GM4 like GH4).
GM1 = 2013, GM5 = 2014, GMx = 2015?
The G6 is one of the best cameras there is for video.
http://www.eoshd.com/2013/07/panasonic-g6-review-the-gh2-redux/
http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/6788/panasonic-g6-topic-gh2-replacement-camera/
And I highly doubt it will be called the GM4, as going backwards from GM5 this year does not make sense.
i didn’t say series was not one of the best for videos. G6 = GH2 in terms videos, so we know GH2 was a succes. But now, GH3, GX7 are better for videos and released in the same year (dec 2012 for the GH3). That’s why i was saying the serie G is not focusing on videos by Panasonic. If G7(?) have 4k and news functions added (DFD, etc…), it make no sense because it can cause lose of sales opportunities for the GH4.
after GH4, FZ1000, and LX100, it make more sense that a new GM (or a new GF, but i don’t believe) with 4k will be released on 2015. Look at the RX sony series. One RX was released evevery year (RX100 mk2 got an lcd tiltable, And mk3 got an builtin EVF). I think that will be the same thing with GM series.
Not really, when G6 released it have some advantage of GH3 (like peaking), but that doesn’t really dent the sale of GH3, for more serious people they need a robust camera body with long battery life and extensive options and LIVE HDMI OUT while recording, G6 is plastic fantastic, also it lacks various .MOV option found on the GH3/4, and more importantly no HDMI out while recording, a must for most of us videographers.. I think the new entry level would be similar, just offering simple MP4/AVCHD like those non GH cameras, no .MOV, no HDMI live out, reuse the same GH2 battery etc.
Entry level? I thought they are all entry level, with that tiny sensor and plastic thingies and bad software.
Check out the buyer guide for entry level mirrorless cameras on dpreview.com. They just published it. You will find they included not one mft camera. Seems like none of them are entry level.
And yes, I know :don’t feed the troll
Harrydicktom is back…
Did he go away?
Yes, like Bruce Wayne he has spent some time in the Himalayas, and now he has returned to clean the streets from all the tiny sensor apologist scum.
He seems more like Robin prancing around in tights.
Come on, Panasonic, stick a PDAF-enabled sensor and stabilization into it, and I’m all yours, with the three marvelous lenses (14mm, 20mm, 25mm)!
but if pdaf sensor, mean to make lens compatible with pdaf right?
I mean, technically like the E-M1, to accommodate FT glass – also Panasonic FT glass, by the way! But not at an exorbitant price.
Just face the fate , Pana already dump it’s 4/3 lenses therefore no support from it’s latest camera anymore , only Oly is sweating around , giving them false hope that system is still relevant .
Another comment from someone who does not have any 43 lenses. Typical trash talking. You have no idea how good these lenses are – and they are VERY RELEVANT to those of us smart enough to have them. They work really well on the E-M1.
Sure, the Olympus 35-100mm f/2 that beats any Panasonic lens “isn’t relevant and false hope”.
ha ok i see what you mean now, but i think it’s not in plan of Panasonic.
That is against Pana’s philosophy .
Don’t think they will dump DFD .
Serious Question. Is there really an entry level market anymore?
4K smartphone with MFT mount ? =^.^=
LX-8 please..
They just done it .
That is LX100
I just hope for: No time limit, MIC Input and PLEASE – Active Live-View HDMI out. Every small Sony body is supporting it (even the RX100 lineup). Only Panasonic is crippling the features way too much.
The question is, which features can be removed (to seperate a possible G7 from the GH4): Maybe no DFD (depth from defocus) – Altough necessary for improved AF performance, lower video bitrates, cheaper body (more plastic), no 4:2:2 8 and 10 bit Output (only standard 4:2:0 8 Bit 1080i for example – Or only with overlays), no support for the YAGH unit, no headphone out and a cheaper EVF.
Should be more than enough to make a not too crippled G7 possible ^^.
But PLEASE not again a body without active HDMI live-view =/
Even a general 30 min. time limit would be ok – But no HDMI out is just annoying.
The 30 min time limit is European legislation. Without it becomes a camcorder and extra taxes must be payed.
Yes. That´s true. BUT: The FZ1000 also has the 30 Min. time limit internationally. To seperate the GH4 a little bit more. Would be also possible for the G7 (so they don´t need to limit the features too much). Then it would be kind of a “cheapo” GH4 – Only with a time limit for example. And it would be GREAT here in Europe – As here you always have the 30 min. time limit anyway ^^.
I’m sure the entry level mft camera will be a new GM. I was surprised the GM5 didn’t had 4K. Probably they needed the GM with EVF badly. My gues is, that it has no build in EVF but it is possible to attach one externally.
The second non-4K camera must be the GX8. This implies that the GX8 will be more stills-orientated and probably there will be a new sensor line with higher resolution or better ISO while the GH-line will keep lower resolution and faster readouts for 4K, slow motion and fast auto focus.
The new m4/3 camera from Pany may well be a new GX based on the LX100 all metal body that already handles 4K OK while the GX7 and IBIS do not mix well with 4K so why Oly is not doing 4K for now. This camera could be smaller than GX7 but I would love to see a swivel screen on back for video use.
If you look at the current drastic price markdowns on the G6 and GX7 these models likely the ones being upgraded while the entry GF models continue to sell well in Japan and Asia markets if not the US. If it is the GF model that gets upgraded then expect it to be based on the innards of the GM series to reduce production costs while using a better metal body, only with flash and tilt screen in the body. Just my best guesses.
I wonder how exactly Panasonic plans to differentiate it from GH4 because some feats are essential. I mean, if they are doing anything directed at video, being a global camera with both 25p and 30p is quite important.
I don’t mind if the second camera is the GX8 and it doesn’t have 4K, but I would really like it to have the IBIS working on video – which I thought that Panasonic would be able to do via firmware just like Olympus first did with the E-M5.
With Sony moving into 5-axis IBIS – although not as good as Olympus and with 3rd party lenses workinf only on 3-axis – I think that Panasonic must do something about it if they don’t want to be left behind.
They can easily differentiate it with simpler controls aimed at beginners, cheaper build quality, no weather sealing, etc. In other words, a consumer camera.
Simpler controls makes no sense, it’s a camera aimed at video, you got to have control over shutter, aperture, etc. If not, why bother making it aimed at video in the first place? The differentiation has to be about feats, possibly like no CineD and some other feats. No weather sealing and plastic build is ok, but if the camera still has killing feats, all those people that don’t care so much about that will end up buying it instead of the GH4, which wouldn’t be so good for Panasonic. So I wonder how many feats can Panasonic omit without this camera losing its purpose.
For video you only need REC button, nothing else. Everything else can then be in menus and automatic.
brilliant, because that was really the issue I was really addressing, so let’s make a camera with only one button and let’s see how that pans out.
please, entry-level doesn’t mean dumbed down camera, even more for a camera aimed at video, you are completely missing the point with your nonsense, spare me from that.
Hey, as long as it is delivered by this guy:
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and has a useless rotor like this:
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he will be happy.
By simpler controls, I didn’t mean all-automatic. Of course you will be able to control exposure parameters manually, but the control layout will be simpler, there will be fewer buttons and dials, and less customizability. Think of the difference between a Canon Rebel and a Canon 5D Mk III, that’s what I meant. All manufacturers have simpler controls in their entry-level models, it’s one of the reasons they are considered entry-level.
Ok, but that’s kind of expected and pretty standard, so I was already counting on that kind of difference. I just think that that’s not enough to create true differentiation, therefore, I was asking what kind of feats they will omit from this camera to differentiate them.
Following your example. The differentiation between a 5D and a Rebel is not just buttons, build quality, etc. one big difference is that one is a FF and the other is a cropped sensor, while between these two m4/3 there will be no difference between sensor size. So, quality wise, low light capabitilies, etc. should be pretty much the same, which doesn’t apply to 5D vs Rebel, that’s why I’m saying that the difference is not about hardware.
“And I got info about a second non-4K MFT cameras right now.” I sure hope this is a GX8. I’d like Panasonic to keep making at least one top-flight stills-oriented camera, and the GX series is the natural candidate. Just add a tilt & swivel LCD, a 4:3 aspect ratio EVF, and auto-ISO in manual mode. All existing tech. If I want video, I’ll get a GH3 – the prices now are crazy low.
i hope the Panasonic S35 features will be added in next GH series (4:2:2 10 bits and why not 4:4:4 12 bits in a future firmware?, etc…) and the next GX will get the news features from GH4 with Cinelike, pedestal, etc… AND A MIC INPUT, please Panasonic.
MIC input is not enough, I need a optical input for high quality sound. A 3.5mm sound jacket or any analog isn’t enough at all and sounds carbage!
Videos are currently not clear enough!! I demand MORE clarity!!!!!!!!!
jeezzz
I am not sure what they mean by “entry level”. I thought m43 is all about entry level…
Thanks, but no thanks.